2025 Philadelphia Eagles - Significant Cowboys news heading into Week 1 as they claim former Eagle Trevor Keegan off waivers. (42 Viewers)

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Dallas Cowboys talk - all the time.

Hilarious.

 

[Lehigh98]

Eagles to wear Kelly Green vs Giants, Cowboys and Connie’s this year. Weeks 8 and 12 plus the road game vs Dallas first time they’ve worn them on road since they brought back

still not fan of the Kelly greens. Newer uniforms look much better

This is an odd take. Were you not a fan during the kelly green days? No nostalgia factor?
I was at the Eagles STM event on Wednesday, and people were easily wearing more kelly than midnight.
I love both the kelly green and the Phillies powder blues but maybe I'm just old.

 

[Lehigh98]

Dallas Cowboys talk - all the time.

Hilarious.

Yeah, I'm sure no one else is talking about this small potatoes news, rent-free indeed.

 

[unckeyherb]

Dallas Cowboys talk - all the time.

Hilarious.

NFL team that we play in six days, trades a generational HOFer for $0.50 on the dollar. Crazy to think it would be discussed.

 

[The Noid]

GB now moves to the top of the highest paid "NFL Trio" (by annual average salary) and DAL moves up to 4th, with Kenny Clark's contract coming aboard.

1. GB: $126M for Love ($55M), Parsons ($47M), Gary ($24M)
2. CIN: $124M for Burrow ($55M), Chase ($40M), Hendrickson ($29M)
3. SF: $117M for Purdy ($53M), Bosa ($34M), Aiyuk ($30M)
4. DAL: $115M for Dak ($60M), Lamb ($34M), Clark ($21M)
5. MIA: $111M for Tua ($51M), Hill ($30M), Waddle ($28M)
6. PHI: $108M for Hurts ($51M), A.J. ($32M), Lane ($25M)

Eagles will move up when Carter is extended, for sure.

 

[Zeppelin]

GB now moves to the top of the highest paid "NFL Trio" (by annual average salary) and DAL moves up to 4th, with Kenny Clark's contract coming aboard.

1. GB: $126M for Love ($55M), Parsons ($47M), Gary ($24M)
2. CIN: $124M for Burrow ($55M), Chase ($40M), Hendrickson ($29M)
3. SF: $117M for Purdy ($53M), Bosa ($34M), Aiyuk ($30M)
4. DAL: $115M for Dak ($60M), Lamb ($34M), Clark ($21M)
5. MIA: $111M for Tua ($51M), Hill ($30M), Waddle ($28M)
6. PHI: $108M for Hurts ($51M), A.J. ($32M), Lane ($25M)

Eagles will move up when Carter is extended, for sure.

The Lions might pass all of them when Hutchinson is extended (Goff $53M, St. Brown $30M).

 

[Terpman22]

CJGJ had to be stirring **** up that we haven’t heard about. Yet. He is one of those dudes that has the troubled character of a TO, talented, but a wildcar with a tough personality to keep focused.

He’s a classy fella

 

[Terpman22]

Also, we picked up Lewis Cine like way late last year.

Lot of smoke and obvious tell tale signs here, but nothing concrete on the "why"

Gotta be contract + attitude.

We move on

I was thinking a bit about this too. My guess is some of the reason is with Slay gone, CJGJ is the elder statesman. I don't think he would want to follow Blankenship, nor would he be hapy if he doesn't get the captain treatment like Slay got.

Yeah so going deep here but if you are on socials, X Eagles Content guy Lord Brunson, who has a relationship with CJ, said "It had to be done, trust me" over and over.

Not sure WHAT that means, but sure as s*** sounds like an untenable situation (Maybe Vic said nah after 1 year?)

Maybe they’re tired of things like his idiotic shirt on parade day. If so, good on them

Re reading these are fun today

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Also, we picked up Lewis Cine like way late last year.

Lot of smoke and obvious tell tale signs here, but nothing concrete on the "why"

Gotta be contract + attitude.

We move on

I was thinking a bit about this too. My guess is some of the reason is with Slay gone, CJGJ is the elder statesman. I don't think he would want to follow Blankenship, nor would he be hapy if he doesn't get the captain treatment like Slay got.

Yeah so going deep here but if you are on socials, X Eagles Content guy Lord Brunson, who has a relationship with CJ, said "It had to be done, trust me" over and over.

Not sure WHAT that means, but sure as s*** sounds like an untenable situation (Maybe Vic said nah after 1 year?)

Maybe they’re tired of things like his idiotic shirt on parade day. If so, good on them

Re reading these are fun today

Why?

 

[Terpman22]

Also, we picked up Lewis Cine like way late last year.

Lot of smoke and obvious tell tale signs here, but nothing concrete on the "why"

Gotta be contract + attitude.

We move on

I was thinking a bit about this too. My guess is some of the reason is with Slay gone, CJGJ is the elder statesman. I don't think he would want to follow Blankenship, nor would he be hapy if he doesn't get the captain treatment like Slay got.

Yeah so going deep here but if you are on socials, X Eagles Content guy Lord Brunson, who has a relationship with CJ, said "It had to be done, trust me" over and over.

Not sure WHAT that means, but sure as s*** sounds like an untenable situation (Maybe Vic said nah after 1 year?)

Maybe they’re tired of things like his idiotic shirt on parade day. If so, good on them

Re reading these are fun today

Why?

Totally random humor, nothing related to any recent NFL news at all

 

[renesauz]

Eagles to wear Kelly Green vs Giants, Cowboys and Connie’s this year. Weeks 8 and 12 plus the road game vs Dallas first time they’ve worn them on road since they brought back

still not fan of the Kelly greens. Newer uniforms look much better

This is an odd take. Were you not a fan during the kelly green days? No nostalgia factor?
I was at the Eagles STM event on Wednesday, and people were easily wearing more kelly than midnight.
I love both the kelly green and the Phillies powder blues but maybe I'm just old.

Always been an Eagles fan, but thought the color was awful then, and still do.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Dallas Cowboys talk - all the time.

Hilarious.

NFL team that we play in six days, trades a generational HOFer for $0.50 on the dollar. Crazy to think it would be discussed.

Fish are biting today.

 

[DJackson10]

2025 Eagles captains​

The following players will wear ‘C’ patches on their uniforms this year:
QB Jalen Hurts
RB Saquon Barkley
WR A.J. Brown
OT Lane Johnson
OT Jordan Mailata
LB Zack Baun
S Reed Blankenship
K Jake Elliott

 

[Pickle Rody]

Less than a week till kickoff. We going to have any Eagles Contests this year?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Micah traded to GB for two first and DT kenny Clark. Gets 4yrs 188m highest non paid QB. That’s a lot for a guy who goes MIA when it matters. Desperation move by GB here

A 30 year old DT and 2 late 1’s is a lot?!

That’s a HORRIBLE return for a player of his caliber.

People say this but NFL GMs wont agree. That salary is huge and limits options pretty significantly. Good deal for Dallas I think in the long run, but won't help them this year

The cap will rise year after year which will limit the hit some. They’re also pretty young IIRC.

Micah traded to GB for two first and DT kenny Clark. Gets 4yrs 188m highest non paid QB. That’s a lot for a guy who goes MIA when it matters. Desperation move by GB here

A 30 year old DT and 2 late 1’s is a lot?!

That’s a HORRIBLE return for a player of his caliber.

People say this but NFL GMs wont agree. That salary is huge and limits options pretty significantly. Good deal for Dallas I think in the long run, but won't help them this year

it can only be a good deal for Dallas if they hit on the picks in a meaningful way. The salary cap rises every year so that helps and given his talent, the need and their division it’s a huge need for GB. A 30 year old DT and maybe 2 non-starters for a talent like him could be an awful deal.

 

[need2know]

Micah traded to GB for two first and DT kenny Clark. Gets 4yrs 188m highest non paid QB. That’s a lot for a guy who goes MIA when it matters. Desperation move by GB here

A 30 year old DT and 2 late 1’s is a lot?!

That’s a HORRIBLE return for a player of his caliber.

People say this but NFL GMs wont agree. That salary is huge and limits options pretty significantly. Good deal for Dallas I think in the long run, but won't help them this year

The cap will rise year after year which will limit the hit some. They’re also pretty young IIRC.

Micah traded to GB for two first and DT kenny Clark. Gets 4yrs 188m highest non paid QB. That’s a lot for a guy who goes MIA when it matters. Desperation move by GB here

A 30 year old DT and 2 late 1’s is a lot?!

That’s a HORRIBLE return for a player of his caliber.

People say this but NFL GMs wont agree. That salary is huge and limits options pretty significantly. Good deal for Dallas I think in the long run, but won't help them this year

it can only be a good deal for Dallas if they hit on the picks in a meaningful way. The salary cap rises every year so that helps and given his talent, the need and their division it’s a huge need for GB. A 30 year old DT and maybe 2 non-starters for a talent like him could be an awful deal.

It is an awful deal. The odds they find a player even close to parsons is so low. Love it

 

[renesauz]

Micah traded to GB for two first and DT kenny Clark. Gets 4yrs 188m highest non paid QB. That’s a lot for a guy who goes MIA when it matters. Desperation move by GB here

A 30 year old DT and 2 late 1’s is a lot?!

That’s a HORRIBLE return for a player of his caliber.

People say this but NFL GMs wont agree. That salary is huge and limits options pretty significantly. Good deal for Dallas I think in the long run, but won't help them this year

The cap will rise year after year which will limit the hit some. They’re also pretty young IIRC.

Micah traded to GB for two first and DT kenny Clark. Gets 4yrs 188m highest non paid QB. That’s a lot for a guy who goes MIA when it matters. Desperation move by GB here

A 30 year old DT and 2 late 1’s is a lot?!

That’s a HORRIBLE return for a player of his caliber.

People say this but NFL GMs wont agree. That salary is huge and limits options pretty significantly. Good deal for Dallas I think in the long run, but won't help them this year

it can only be a good deal for Dallas if they hit on the picks in a meaningful way. The salary cap rises every year so that helps and given his talent, the need and their division it’s a huge need for GB. A 30 year old DT and maybe 2 non-starters for a talent like him could be an awful deal.

It is an awful deal. The odds they find a player even close to parsons is so low. Love it

I'm very skeptical of any player making 40+ being worth it. You can hit the FA market any given off season and find 2 or 3 impact players for that kind of money, then have two first rounders to try to find cheap studs. Thats FOUR likely starters for the price of one at a time when teams struggle mightily finding depth. Stars are overpaid in the NFL. It's why all the talk in recent years about teams struggling to win SBs unless their QB still on a rookie contract

ETA: THis is not to say teams should never sign stud players to big contracts. It's to say that trading two 1s AND giving up 40+ is too much. Dallas isnt better for this year, but they're better for 27

 

[Zeppelin]

THis is not to say teams should never sign stud players to big contracts. It's to say that trading two 1s AND giving up 40+ is too much.

We had this discussion in the Lions thread and I completely agree with the above.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

THis is not to say teams should never sign stud players to big contracts. It's to say that trading two 1s AND giving up 40+ is too much.

We had this discussion in the Lions thread and I completely agree with the above.

I don’t know how true this is, but I heard on ESPN radio tonite, driving into work, that Parsons will cost $10M against the cap this year, $20M next year, $27M in 2027 and the final year is a balloon payment of $67M, which they don’t expect to pay.

If true, it certainly changes the tenor of the conversation.

 

[IHEARTFF]

THis is not to say teams should never sign stud players to big contracts. It's to say that trading two 1s AND giving up 40+ is too much.

We had this discussion in the Lions thread and I completely agree with the above.

I don’t know how true this is, but I heard on ESPN radio tonite, driving into work, that Parsons will cost $10M against the cap this year, $20M next year, $27M in 2027 and the final year is a balloon payment of $67M, which they don’t expect to pay.

If true, it certainly changes the tenor of the conversation.

$64 in 28 and $68 in 29

 

[need2know]

THis is not to say teams should never sign stud players to big contracts. It's to say that trading two 1s AND giving up 40+ is too much.

We had this discussion in the Lions thread and I completely agree with the above.

Depends. Paying your average qb 60 mil and not your hof 26 pass rusher isnt smart either

 

[need2know]

THis is not to say teams should never sign stud players to big contracts. It's to say that trading two 1s AND giving up 40+ is too much.

We had this discussion in the Lions thread and I completely agree with the above.

I don’t know how true this is, but I heard on ESPN radio tonite, driving into work, that Parsons will cost $10M against the cap this year, $20M next year, $27M in 2027 and the final year is a balloon payment of $67M, which they don’t expect to pay.

If true, it certainly changes the tenor of the conversation.

Gb basically has a 2 year window with the roster it has right now

 

[renesauz]

THis is not to say teams should never sign stud players to big contracts. It's to say that trading two 1s AND giving up 40+ is too much.

We had this discussion in the Lions thread and I completely agree with the above.

I don’t know how true this is, but I heard on ESPN radio tonite, driving into work, that Parsons will cost $10M against the cap this year, $20M next year, $27M in 2027 and the final year is a balloon payment of $67M, which they don’t expect to pay.

If true, it certainly changes the tenor of the conversation.

I dont understand how this can be, but if true certainly changes the discussion

 

[Snotbubbles]

THis is not to say teams should never sign stud players to big contracts. It's to say that trading two 1s AND giving up 40+ is too much.

We had this discussion in the Lions thread and I completely agree with the above.

I don’t know how true this is, but I heard on ESPN radio tonite, driving into work, that Parsons will cost $10M against the cap this year, $20M next year, $27M in 2027 and the final year is a balloon payment of $67M, which they don’t expect to pay.

If true, it certainly changes the tenor of the conversation.

I dont understand how this can be, but if true certainly changes the discussion

Micah Parsons Contract Details, Salary Cap Charges, Bonus Money, and Contract History | Over The Cap

Micah Parsons contract and salary cap details, including signing bonus, guaranteed salary, dead money, roster bonuses, and contract history

overthecap.com

2025: $9.97M
2026: $19.24M
2027: $26.85M
2028: $64.29M
2029: $68.29M
2030: $21.38M (Void year)

Ran this contract through ChatGPT and asked how Green Bay could avoid the cap hits in 2028 and 2029. Here was the reply:

How Green Bay Could Avoid Those Hits​

• Simple Restructure: Convert large base salary into signing bonus, spreading it across remaining years (up to 5). This lowers the immediate cap hit, but increases future dead money if cut.
• Extension: Add new years to the deal, spreading out the proration further and smoothing the hit.
• Void Years: Add dummy contract years (common tactic) to prorate signing bonus over more years, lowering cap charges in 2028/2029.
• Trade/Release: Highly unlikely given his talent, but trading before those balloon years would offload the hit.

Essentially, Green Bay could restructure before 2028 to reduce those $60M+ figures to something more manageable — probably in the $30M–$40M range depending on approach.

So in practice:

• 2028 Hit: $64M → could be reduced closer to ~$35M–$40M with restructuring.
• 2029 Hit: $68M → same logic; restructure/extend would knock it down significantly.

Without restructuring, those full numbers would stay on the books. With restructuring, the only unavoidable charges are the prorated bonuses already allocated (~8.8M per year).

Based on this analysis, if/when Green Bay restructures Parson's salary before 2028, they'll be on the hook for ~8.8M against the cap from this contracts prorated signing bonus, plus any additional prorated portion of a new signing bonus (spread over 4-5 years), plus the new base salary, plus any option bonuses that are in the extension (this current contract had $38M worth). ChatGPT estimates that a restructure/extension would have a cap hit in the $30-40M range starting in 2028.

When you compare it to the contract Howie gave to Hurts you can see how smart Howie was in the structure of the contracts.

Signing bonus: Hurts ($23.2M), Parsons ($44M) - This is spread over 5 years and count against the cap.
Option bonus: Hurts ($213M-$230M), Parsons ($38M) - This only counts once the option is exercised. Options allow flexibility because you can renegotiate before bonuses trigger. So Howie kept the unavoidable money on the cap low and put it all into options. Now Hurts has tiered guarantees and he may have already hit some of those option bonuses, I don't know.

 

[DJackson10]

THis is not to say teams should never sign stud players to big contracts. It's to say that trading two 1s AND giving up 40+ is too much.

We had this discussion in the Lions thread and I completely agree with the above.

Depends. Paying your average qb 60 mil and not your hof 26 hof pass rusher isnt smart either

He’s a talented pass rusher but he’s a liability against the run.

 

[DJackson10]

THis is not to say teams should never sign stud players to big contracts. It's to say that trading two 1s AND giving up 40+ is too much.

We had this discussion in the Lions thread and I completely agree with the above.

I don’t know how true this is, but I heard on ESPN radio tonite, driving into work, that Parsons will cost $10M against the cap this year, $20M next year, $27M in 2027 and the final year is a balloon payment of $67M, which they don’t expect to pay.

If true, it certainly changes the tenor of the conversation.

Gb basically has a 2 year window with the roster it has right now

That why I called this a desperation move. I wouldn’t have given up 2 1st for that and neither would Roseman in that regard.

 

[The Longtime Lurker]

THis is not to say teams should never sign stud players to big contracts. It's to say that trading two 1s AND giving up 40+ is too much.

We had this discussion in the Lions thread and I completely agree with the above.

I don’t know how true this is, but I heard on ESPN radio tonite, driving into work, that Parsons will cost $10M against the cap this year, $20M next year, $27M in 2027 and the final year is a balloon payment of $67M, which they don’t expect to pay.

If true, it certainly changes the tenor of the conversation.

Gb basically has a 2 year window with the roster it has right now

That why I called this a desperation move. I wouldn’t have given up 2 1st for that and neither would Roseman in that regard.

What happens in 2 years with this trade that doesn't happen without it? Two likely average talent 1st rounders that they'll miss out on, but probably not a problem with the young talent they currently have. Are there key players they're going to lose that will blow up the team?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

THis is not to say teams should never sign stud players to big contracts. It's to say that trading two 1s AND giving up 40+ is too much.

We had this discussion in the Lions thread and I completely agree with the above.

It’s nearly all dependent upon them hitting those picks. If they’re bad, it’s just money at that point.

 

[Deamon]

THis is not to say teams should never sign stud players to big contracts. It's to say that trading two 1s AND giving up 40+ is too much.

We had this discussion in the Lions thread and I completely agree with the above.

I don’t know how true this is, but I heard on ESPN radio tonite, driving into work, that Parsons will cost $10M against the cap this year, $20M next year, $27M in 2027 and the final year is a balloon payment of $67M, which they don’t expect to pay.

If true, it certainly changes the tenor of the conversation.

I dont understand how this can be, but if true certainly changes the discussion

Micah Parsons Contract Details, Salary Cap Charges, Bonus Money, and Contract History | Over The Cap

Micah Parsons contract and salary cap details, including signing bonus, guaranteed salary, dead money, roster bonuses, and contract history

overthecap.com

2025: $9.97M
2026: $19.24M
2027: $26.85M
2028: $64.29M
2029: $68.29M
2030: $21.38M (Void year)

Ran this contract through ChatGPT and asked how Green Bay could avoid the cap hits in 2028 and 2029. Here was the reply:

How Green Bay Could Avoid Those Hits​

• Simple Restructure: Convert large base salary into signing bonus, spreading it across remaining years (up to 5). This lowers the immediate cap hit, but increases future dead money if cut.
• Extension: Add new years to the deal, spreading out the proration further and smoothing the hit.
• Void Years: Add dummy contract years (common tactic) to prorate signing bonus over more years, lowering cap charges in 2028/2029.
• Trade/Release: Highly unlikely given his talent, but trading before those balloon years would offload the hit.

Essentially, Green Bay could restructure before 2028 to reduce those $60M+ figures to something more manageable — probably in the $30M–$40M range depending on approach.

So in practice:

• 2028 Hit: $64M → could be reduced closer to ~$35M–$40M with restructuring.
• 2029 Hit: $68M → same logic; restructure/extend would knock it down significantly.

Without restructuring, those full numbers would stay on the books. With restructuring, the only unavoidable charges are the prorated bonuses already allocated (~8.8M per year).

Based on this analysis, if/when Green Bay restructures Parson's salary before 2028, they'll be on the hook for ~8.8M against the cap from this contracts prorated signing bonus, plus any additional prorated portion of a new signing bonus (spread over 4-5 years), plus the new base salary, plus any option bonuses that are in the extension (this current contract had $38M worth). ChatGPT estimates that a restructure/extension would have a cap hit in the $30-40M range starting in 2028.

When you compare it to the contract Howie gave to Hurts you can see how smart Howie was in the structure of the contracts.

Signing bonus: Hurts ($23.2M), Parsons ($44M) - This is spread over 5 years and count against the cap.
Option bonus: Hurts ($213M-$230M), Parsons ($38M) - This only counts once the option is exercised. Options allow flexibility because you can renegotiate before bonuses trigger. So Howie kept the unavoidable money on the cap low and put it all into options. Now Hurts has tiered guarantees and he may have already hit some of those option bonuses, I don't know.

Damn, the league is taking notes from Howie now.

(insert CBF laugh emoji)

 

[DJackson10]

THis is not to say teams should never sign stud players to big contracts. It's to say that trading two 1s AND giving up 40+ is too much.

We had this discussion in the Lions thread and I completely agree with the above.

I don’t know how true this is, but I heard on ESPN radio tonite, driving into work, that Parsons will cost $10M against the cap this year, $20M next year, $27M in 2027 and the final year is a balloon payment of $67M, which they don’t expect to pay.

If true, it certainly changes the tenor of the conversation.

Gb basically has a 2 year window with the roster it has right now

That why I called this a desperation move. I wouldn’t have given up 2 1st for that and neither would Roseman in that regard.

What happens in 2 years with this trade that doesn't happen without it? Two likely average talent 1st rounders that they'll miss out on, but probably not a problem with the young talent they currently have. Are there key players they're going to lose that will blow up the team?

They’ll most likely lose some pretty good players they could build around. GB is that team in nfl Hell territory. Not good enough to make a lot of noise in the playoffs but not bad enough they’ll get a top 10 pick. I wouldn’t be giving away high picks as Parsons makes them a better pass rush but he’s a big run liability defensively. Like I said consider that and the questions on football commitment it’s a big gamble for GB. It just smells desperation a team who’s coach and GM probably get canned if they can’t make any noise in the playoffs the next two yrs

 

[rockaction]

THis is not to say teams should never sign stud players to big contracts. It's to say that trading two 1s AND giving up 40+ is too much.

We had this discussion in the Lions thread and I completely agree with the above.

I don’t know how true this is, but I heard on ESPN radio tonite, driving into work, that Parsons will cost $10M against the cap this year, $20M next year, $27M in 2027 and the final year is a balloon payment of $67M, which they don’t expect to pay.

If true, it certainly changes the tenor of the conversation.

Gb basically has a 2 year window with the roster it has right now

That why I called this a desperation move. I wouldn’t have given up 2 1st for that and neither would Roseman in that regard.

What happens in 2 years with this trade that doesn't happen without it? Two likely average talent 1st rounders that they'll miss out on, but probably not a problem with the young talent they currently have. Are there key players they're going to lose that will blow up the team?

They’ll most likely lose some pretty good players they could build around. GB is that team in nfl Hell territory. Not good enough to make a lot of noise in the playoffs but not bad enough they’ll get a top 10 pick. I wouldn’t be giving away high picks as Parsons makes them a better pass rush but he’s a big run liability defensively. Like I said consider that and the questions on football commitment it’s a big gamble for GB. It just smells desperation a team who’s coach and GM probably get canned if they can’t make any noise in the playoffs the next two yrs

It seems like they were a team with the perfect roster and situation to take that contract on and give up two late firsts. I don't think Dallas got a great deal but they're not the laughingstock everybody is making them out to be because I don't think they're winning anything with Parsons at $45M and the Dak and Lamb salaries. It might not have been their original justification and they might have gotten there because Jerry is plum awful at this now, but they weren't winning with him.

I get the criticism of Jerry. He locks him up six months ago and you're talking $10M or so less annually and it might be doable. But I also question the people insisting they've quantified Parsons' value. I just think it's overstated. I don't have the number crunching ability but I'm hearing some really dogmatic criticisms from supposedly analytical guys who seem to be making cavalier statements like Parsons is worth four ones or that he's actually invaluable and I'm pausing.

The tweet that got me was the grandaddy of all the analytics guys in the form of Aaron Schatz. This is a really illuminating post because he actually posits something all the other analytics guys who are hot for Parsons don't even stop to consider. He implies that previous work done on the matter would point to NO defensive player being worth two firsts and then breaks the rule for Parsons with an ad hoc adjustment. Well, your model works or it doesn't. Bizarre groupthink today.

https://x.com/ASchatzNFL/status/1961179112833519995

 

[need2know]

THis is not to say teams should never sign stud players to big contracts. It's to say that trading two 1s AND giving up 40+ is too much.

We had this discussion in the Lions thread and I completely agree with the above.

I don’t know how true this is, but I heard on ESPN radio tonite, driving into work, that Parsons will cost $10M against the cap this year, $20M next year, $27M in 2027 and the final year is a balloon payment of $67M, which they don’t expect to pay.

If true, it certainly changes the tenor of the conversation.

Gb basically has a 2 year window with the roster it has right now

That why I called this a desperation move. I wouldn’t have given up 2 1st for that and neither would Roseman in that regard.

What happens in 2 years with this trade that doesn't happen without it? Two likely average talent 1st rounders that they'll miss out on, but probably not a problem with the young talent they currently have. Are there key players they're going to lose that will blow up the team?

They’ll most likely lose some pretty good players they could build around. GB is that team in nfl Hell territory. Not good enough to make a lot of noise in the playoffs but not bad enough they’ll get a top 10 pick. I wouldn’t be giving away high picks as Parsons makes them a better pass rush but he’s a big run liability defensively. Like I said consider that and the questions on football commitment it’s a big gamble for GB. It just smells desperation a team who’s coach and GM probably get canned if they can’t make any noise in the playoffs the next two yrs

It seems like they were a team with the perfect roster and situation to take that contract on and give up two late firsts. I don't think Dallas got a great deal but they're not the laughingstock everybody is making them out to be because I don't think they're winning anything with Parsons at $45M and the Dak and Lamb salaries. It might not have been their original justification and they might have gotten there because Jerry is plum awful at this now, but they weren't winning with him.

I get the criticism of Jerry. He locks him up six months ago and you're talking $10M or so less annually and it might be doable. But I also question the people insisting they've quantified Parsons' value. I just think it's overstated. I don't have the number crunching ability but I'm hearing some really dogmatic criticisms from supposedly analytical guys who seem to be making cavalier statements like Parsons is worth four ones or that he's actually invaluable and I'm pausing.

The tweet that got me was the grandaddy of all the analytics guys in the form of Aaron Schatz. This is a really illuminating post because he actually posits something all the other analytics guys who are hot for Parsons don't even stop to consider. He implies that previous work done on the matter would point to NO defensive player being worth two firsts and then breaks the rule for Parsons with an ad hoc adjustment. Well, your model works or it doesn't. Bizarre groupthink today.

https://x.com/ASchatzNFL/status/1961179112833519995

Thats good stuff bro

 

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THis is not to say teams should never sign stud players to big contracts. It's to say that trading two 1s AND giving up 40+ is too much.

We had this discussion in the Lions thread and I completely agree with the above.

I don’t know how true this is, but I heard on ESPN radio tonite, driving into work, that Parsons will cost $10M against the cap this year, $20M next year, $27M in 2027 and the final year is a balloon payment of $67M, which they don’t expect to pay.

If true, it certainly changes the tenor of the conversation.

Gb basically has a 2 year window with the roster it has right now

That why I called this a desperation move. I wouldn’t have given up 2 1st for that and neither would Roseman in that regard.

What happens in 2 years with this trade that doesn't happen without it? Two likely average talent 1st rounders that they'll miss out on, but probably not a problem with the young talent they currently have. Are there key players they're going to lose that will blow up the team?

They’ll most likely lose some pretty good players they could build around. GB is that team in nfl Hell territory. Not good enough to make a lot of noise in the playoffs but not bad enough they’ll get a top 10 pick. I wouldn’t be giving away high picks as Parsons makes them a better pass rush but he’s a big run liability defensively. Like I said consider that and the questions on football commitment it’s a big gamble for GB. It just smells desperation a team who’s coach and GM probably get canned if they can’t make any noise in the playoffs the next two yrs

It seems like they were a team with the perfect roster and situation to take that contract on and give up two late firsts. I don't think Dallas got a great deal but they're not the laughingstock everybody is making them out to be because I don't think they're winning anything with Parsons at $45M and the Dak and Lamb salaries. It might not have been their original justification and they might have gotten there because Jerry is plum awful at this now, but they weren't winning with him.

I get the criticism of Jerry. He locks him up six months ago and you're talking $10M or so less annually and it might be doable. But I also question the people insisting they've quantified Parsons' value. I just think it's overstated. I don't have the number crunching ability but I'm hearing some really dogmatic criticisms from supposedly analytical guys who seem to be making cavalier statements like Parsons is worth four ones or that he's actually invaluable and I'm pausing.

The tweet that got me was the grandaddy of all the analytics guys in the form of Aaron Schatz. This is a really illuminating post because he actually posits something all the other analytics guys who are hot for Parsons don't even stop to consider. He implies that previous work done on the matter would point to NO defensive player being worth two firsts and then breaks the rule for Parsons with an ad hoc adjustment. Well, your model works or it doesn't. Bizarre groupthink today.

https://x.com/ASchatzNFL/status/1961179112833519995

Thats good stuff bro

I appreciate the kind words, man. Thank you.

 

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THis is not to say teams should never sign stud players to big contracts. It's to say that trading two 1s AND giving up 40+ is too much.

We had this discussion in the Lions thread and I completely agree with the above.

I don’t know how true this is, but I heard on ESPN radio tonite, driving into work, that Parsons will cost $10M against the cap this year, $20M next year, $27M in 2027 and the final year is a balloon payment of $67M, which they don’t expect to pay.

If true, it certainly changes the tenor of the conversation.

Gb basically has a 2 year window with the roster it has right now

That why I called this a desperation move. I wouldn’t have given up 2 1st for that and neither would Roseman in that regard.

What happens in 2 years with this trade that doesn't happen without it? Two likely average talent 1st rounders that they'll miss out on, but probably not a problem with the young talent they currently have. Are there key players they're going to lose that will blow up the team?

They’ll most likely lose some pretty good players they could build around. GB is that team in nfl Hell territory. Not good enough to make a lot of noise in the playoffs but not bad enough they’ll get a top 10 pick. I wouldn’t be giving away high picks as Parsons makes them a better pass rush but he’s a big run liability defensively. Like I said consider that and the questions on football commitment it’s a big gamble for GB. It just smells desperation a team who’s coach and GM probably get canned if they can’t make any noise in the playoffs the next two yrs

Ok, thanks. I won't gum up the eagles thread with non eagles stuff more than this. I see the bear case on the trade here and there and want to understand that point of view. I disagree that it's desperation and that it sets the packers back (they're in the perfect position for a move like this and are one of the top front offices in the NFL so I trust them to know what they're doing), or that it makes them worse against the run (I suspect Clark's best days are behind him in his 10th year and I expect the LVN/Enagbare combo wouldn't be better) in a way that potentially offsets the massive improvement in the weakest part of their game by a mile (getting to the QB). The staff is safe after pretty great success with the youngest team in the league and ascending. Got a Monday nighter in November against you guys, that'll be a good test for how it all worked out, glad it's a home game though.