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2nd tier QB's (1 Viewer)

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After Brees, Rodgers and Manning.....(likely drafted in first/early second round)....it looks like the other four (based on ADP) are coming off the board in the mid third round. How would YOU tier them and why? OR who would you draft and why?

Romo

Schaub

Brady

Rivers

 
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Romo has weapons galore and is poised to EXPLODE this season. I don't even have Rivers anywhere close to Romo and Brady. I don't like Schaub this year, he was a value pick last season but he is too expensive now. He is still an injury risk.

 
I have Romo, Rivers, and Schaub in a virtual tie. I have Brady in their "tier" but below those 3. I read the Pats have been working more under center this summer, so that cautions me a bit about Brady. I think I like Romo the best b/c of the Jerry Jones influence...he's gonna make them pump the ball into Dez Bryant's hands....and you have plenty of other mouths to feed there (Miles, Witten, etc). The only think that gives me worry is Romo getting his rear kicked every game because of their LT situation. Rivers and Schaub are harder for me to read....looking forward to others opinions there...

 
Romo, Shaub are Tier 2 for me.

Brady is top of Tier 3, with Rivers down a few more spots.

 
Last year, Brady had

Welker (123 catches)

Moss (83 catches)

Edelman (37)

Kevin Faulk (37)

the other RBs combined (37)

Watson (25)

Sam Aiken (20)

Chris Baker (14)

Joey Galloway (7)

Isaiah Stanback (3)

Downside for Brady: This year, Welker is coming back from injury, so we can expect a drop in his numbers. Faulk is a year older, and the other backs aren't that great in the passing game. The entire bottom half of the list is gone. Logan Mankins is gone. They play the Jets defense twice, which could be a very tough matchup if Revis comes back.

Upside for Brady: Moss played through injury last year and should be healthier. Edelman looks improved and is a decent fill in if they limit Welker's snaps. He's only in his second year as a converted QB so a big leap is possible. Last year the Pats had Welker, Moss, and then nothing, and it showed towards the end of the season as Brady was forced to go to unreliable receiving options. This year, the Pats spent three early picks on top receiving options and should have a lot more options in the passing game. Brady is also another year removed from his injury. Alge Crumpler is basically an extra lineman for them and should be able to pick up some of the pass protection slack where Mankins leaves off.

There are a lot of myths going around about Brady. He had 4398/28/13 last year in his first year from ACL injury. Yes, that's a dropoff from his 4806/50/8 in 2007, but it wasn't a bad year. His first 12 games were all over 200 yards, and seven were over 300 yards. By contrast, three of the last four games were under 200 yards and he had 2 TDs vs 3 INTs in those games, punctuated by a 267 yard, 4 TD performance against Jacksonville in week 16. His dropoff at the end of the season was mostly because teams were blanketing Welker and Moss. That won't be as easy to do this year with apparently improved options. I think the market adjusted to the loss of Welker, and hasn't fully accounted for his early return. I see some value in Brady for the first time in a long time.

 
Rivers doesn't belong on this list.

Romo-Schaub-Brady (upside)

Romo-Brady-Schaub (if you don't like to gamble)

either way, Romo is probably going to be closer to Brees/Rodgers than he is to Brady/Schaub

 
I'll take the guy who led the league last year in passing yards in his first ever 16 game season AND has the best wide reciever in the game to throw to. I'll take Schaub in the third. We've only seen the beginning with this guy. I feel if anyone is poised to step into that elite category with Rodgers/Brees, it's him. After that it's Romo/Brady/Manning in a virtual dead heat (I'd take whoever fell to me and be fine with it)........And then everyone else.

 
After Brees, Rodgers and Manning.....(likely drafted in first/early second round)....it looks like the other four (based on ADP) are coming off the board in the mid third round. How would YOU tier them and why? OR who would you draft and why?RomoSchaubBradyRivers
Those are all first tier in my book. Any one of the guys listed above could finish the year number 1. I'd put Rivers at the bottom of that tier, but I think he's first tier.
 
After Brees, Rodgers and Manning.....(likely drafted in first/early second round)....it looks like the other four (based on ADP) are coming off the board in the mid third round. How would YOU tier them and why? OR who would you draft and why?RomoSchaubBradyRivers
Those are all first tier in my book. Any one of the guys listed above could finish the year number 1. I'd put Rivers at the bottom of that tier, but I think he's first tier.
 
I'll take the guy who no doubt will have the most passing yards and TD's: Schaub.

Brady and Rivers seem more solid than sexy this year. The Romo hype is out of control. Nice player but people thinking he's going to approach a Rodgers-type season are mistaken. The guy I really like this year for the price is Flacco. He was putting up solid numbers on a run first/defensive minded team and was doing it with Derrick Mason as his #1 guy. Now he's a year further along and adds a proven stud in Boldin. In drafting Flacco I think you get a guy who ends up in this tier at a much better price. In 2 QB leagues the guy is a league winner.

 
Romo is a monster of the Regular Season. Especially the early regular season. Best bet, draft Romo and then one of the 3rd tier QB's with a good playoff schedule. Trade Romo for a stud RB later in the year.

 
I gotta say some people are really popping on Brady. I expect a big season from him. He'll be tier one when it's all said done. romo too.

 
:hophead: It seems like Rivers is going to be a steal this year. I don't think the drop off without VJ is going to be as big as people are expecting. Last year the Chargers ranked 31st in the run. Obviously no one was going to respect them beating them with the run so they were game planning to defend the pass and he still did really well. This year with a legit RB threat defenses won't be so lucky.
 
I have Romo, Rivers, and Schaub in a virtual tie. I have Brady in their "tier" but below those 3. I read the Pats have been working more under center this summer, so that cautions me a bit about Brady. I think I like Romo the best b/c of the Jerry Jones influence...he's gonna make them pump the ball into Dez Bryant's hands....and you have plenty of other mouths to feed there (Miles, Witten, etc). The only think that gives me worry is Romo getting his rear kicked every game because of their LT situation. Rivers and Schaub are harder for me to read....looking forward to others opinions there...
I'm very concerned about this. I'm in a 6pt per TD, QB heavy scoring league and I originally was going to take Romo in the 2nd round. If the pass protection doesn't get better in the next two preseason games I may have to reconsider.
 
Give me Schaub and it isn't even close. In fact, I think Schaub finishes as QB1.

Brady I think will be solid, numbers slightly better than last year.

Not buying the Romo hype. He'll put up good numbers but I think he's price right if he's the 6th QB taken (in no particular order Rodgers, Manning, Brees, Schaub and Brady).

I think Rivers will be pretty consistent with what he did last year, making him good value.

 
The Romo love is a little crazy, Brady and Shaub are in a tier above him with Brees and Aaron Rodgers. Remember Cowboys run alot in the redzone. Barber and Jones can run one in inside the 20. Brees , Brady throw cheesey td's all day, Shaub is the best hookup and Rodgers gets the call at the stripe. Manning is in this tier also, Romo is last by a decent margin imo.

Rodgers and Shaub scored 50 points more than Romo in my league last year (.25/ completion)

Romo threw 36 td's in 2007 but only 26 in 08 and 26 last year. these other qb's have a shot at 40 total td's. romo has no chance at 40 with barber and jones around.

End of argument in my book!

 
There are a lot of myths going around about Brady. He had 4398/28/13 last year in his first year from ACL injury. Yes, that's a dropoff from his 4806/50/8 in 2007, but it wasn't a bad year. His first 12 games were all over 200 yards, and seven were over 300 yards. By contrast, three of the last four games were under 200 yards and he had 2 TDs vs 3 INTs in those games, punctuated by a 267 yard, 4 TD performance against Jacksonville in week 16. His dropoff at the end of the season was mostly because teams were blanketing Welker and Moss. That won't be as easy to do this year with apparently improved options. I think the market adjusted to the loss of Welker, and hasn't fully accounted for his early return. I see some value in Brady for the first time in a long time.
Championship!
 
I have Romo, Rivers, and Schaub in a virtual tie. I have Brady in their "tier" but below those 3. I read the Pats have been working more under center this summer, so that cautions me a bit about Brady. I think I like Romo the best b/c of the Jerry Jones influence...he's gonna make them pump the ball into Dez Bryant's hands....and you have plenty of other mouths to feed there (Miles, Witten, etc). The only think that gives me worry is Romo getting his rear kicked every game because of their LT situation. Rivers and Schaub are harder for me to read....looking forward to others opinions there...
I'm very concerned about this. I'm in a 6pt per TD, QB heavy scoring league and I originally was going to take Romo in the 2nd round. If the pass protection doesn't get better in the next two preseason games I may have to reconsider.
Just reported on Rotoworld...Cowboys LG Kyle Kosier is expected to miss 4-6 weeks with a sprained MCL.

The team is awaiting MRI results for confirmation. This is starting to become a real concern for the Cowboys. Starting RT Marc Colombo is also questionable for Week 1 after undergoing a knee scope. Veteran swingman Montrae Holland will take over at left guard for Kosier.

Source: ESPN Dallas

Related: Montrae Holland

 
Tier 1 - Rodgers, Brees, Manning

Tier 2 - Romo, Schaub, Brady

Tier 3 - Rivers, Cutler, Favre

Notes: I think Manning is overvalued when compared with the next tier of QBs, but he gets drafted almost without fail as the QB3. Romo, Schaub, and Brady are all excellent options. They all have as good a shot as anyone to be in the top 3. Sleeping on Schaub because of injury history is just dumb... his PPG numbers are consistently top 3. Also, I think Rivers must be ranked slightly below the tier 2 guys because he's throwing to Floyd and Nanee, compared to Austin/Dez, AJ, and Moss/Welker.

 
I have Romo, Rivers, and Schaub in a virtual tie. I have Brady in their "tier" but below those 3. I read the Pats have been working more under center this summer, so that cautions me a bit about Brady. I think I like Romo the best b/c of the Jerry Jones influence...he's gonna make them pump the ball into Dez Bryant's hands....and you have plenty of other mouths to feed there (Miles, Witten, etc). The only think that gives me worry is Romo getting his rear kicked every game because of their LT situation. Rivers and Schaub are harder for me to read....looking forward to others opinions there...
I'm very concerned about this. I'm in a 6pt per TD, QB heavy scoring league and I originally was going to take Romo in the 2nd round. If the pass protection doesn't get better in the next two preseason games I may have to reconsider.
Just reported on Rotoworld...Cowboys LG Kyle Kosier is expected to miss 4-6 weeks with a sprained MCL.

The team is awaiting MRI results for confirmation. This is starting to become a real concern for the Cowboys. Starting RT Marc Colombo is also questionable for Week 1 after undergoing a knee scope. Veteran swingman Montrae Holland will take over at left guard for Kosier.

Source: ESPN Dallas

Related: Montrae Holland
Certainly a concern.What's the word on the HOU or NE offensive lines? Homer info will be much appreciated.

 
Tier 1 - Rodgers, Brees, ManningTier 2 - Romo, Schaub, BradyTier 3 - Rivers, Cutler, FavreNotes: I think Manning is overvalued when compared with the next tier of QBs, but he gets drafted almost without fail as the QB3. Romo, Schaub, and Brady are all excellent options. They all have as good a shot as anyone to be in the top 3. Sleeping on Schaub because of injury history is just dumb... his PPG numbers are consistently top 3. Also, I think Rivers must be ranked slightly below the tier 2 guys because he's throwing to Floyd and Nanee, compared to Austin/Dez, AJ, and Moss/Welker.
I don't really disagree with this other than to point out that while Rivers has less impressive WRs, it is somewhat offset by Gates and Sproles. Romo's weapons are collectively better, but I don't think that is true of Brady and Schaub.
 
Drafting #1, and will happily take Romo, Schaub or Brady at the 2/3 turn if any of them are still there. Don't like rivers enough to pull the trigger that early. If all three of my guys are gone, I'm targeting Cutler, Flacco and Big Ben later on.

 
After Brees, Rodgers and Manning.....(likely drafted in first/early second round)....it looks like the other four (based on ADP) are coming off the board in the mid third round. How would YOU tier them and why? OR who would you draft and why?RomoSchaubBradyRivers
Those are all first tier in my book. Any one of the guys listed above could finish the year number 1. I'd put Rivers at the bottom of that tier, but I think he's first tier.
i agree with this. romo is my target fwiw bc he has more of a track record than schaub. its really splitting hairs to separate any of these guys except rivers, who is just slightly worse off. still tremendous value.
 
when is too early to draft Romo? i pick 7th out of 10. certainly won't take him in the 1st. however, i fear that he won't reach me in the 3rd. is 2.4 too early? 6 pt all td non ppr.

 
I like all of those guys right about the same and think they all have a shot at being #1 this year. I'd try to take the last one of the group which will probably be one of Rivers or Schaub.

What I hate is there doesn't seem to be a standout sleeper candidate this year if you miss out on one of these guys. Last year it was Schaub as people were scared of the injuries but his PPG totals were outstanding. If he stayed healthy, you knew he was in for a top season. This year I feel like there are like 5 guys that could bust out join top 10 but good luck differentiating which one it will be. Flacco or Ryan seem the best bets IMO.

 
I think Phillip RIvers is going to be a bargain in the late 4th this year, guy has a nice schedule and Vincent Jackson didn't make Rivers' career, more like the other way around. Rivers has tremendous leadership skills and I have come to admire him a lot as a QB in the NFL, some day he will play in the SB. Don't sleep on him and in fact you might be getting a steal with him as QB7-8 off the board.

 
when is too early to draft Romo? i pick 7th out of 10. certainly won't take him in the 1st. however, i fear that he won't reach me in the 3rd. is 2.4 too early? 6 pt all td non ppr.
I'm in that same boat with pick 7/10 and 6 pts/TD. I think I will take either Romo or Schaub with my pick at 2.4. Otherwise I know I'll be stuck with the last starting QB selected.
 
I like all of those guys right about the same and think they all have a shot at being #1 this year. I'd try to take the last one of the group which will probably be one of Rivers or Schaub.

What I hate is there doesn't seem to be a standout sleeper candidate this year if you miss out on one of these guys. Last year it was Schaub as people were scared of the injuries but his PPG totals were outstanding. If he stayed healthy, you knew he was in for a top season. This year I feel like there are like 5 guys that could bust out join top 10 but good luck differentiating which one it will be. Flacco or Ryan seem the best bets IMO.
This is how I feel I have 8 Qb's I really like and won't take a Qb no matter where I am in the draft until atleast 5 of them are gone. If i miss out on my 8 then go with a good committee type as a back up plan.

 
I think Phillip RIvers is going to be a bargain in the late 4th this year, guy has a nice schedule and Vincent Jackson didn't make Rivers' career, more like the other way around. Rivers has tremendous leadership skills and I have come to admire him a lot as a QB in the NFL, some day he will play in the SB. Don't sleep on him and in fact you might be getting a steal with him as QB7-8 off the board.
Agreed. I can actually see Rivers slipping to the 5th if someone jumps on Kolb, Cutler, Eli or Favre ahead of him, and he represents tremendous value that late. Regardless of the WR corps, the guy has a floor of 3800 yards and 24 TDs, and I expect about 4000 and 28. Unfortunately I don't think he has the upside of the Brady/Romo/Schaub tier, as any of these guys could go off for 4800 and 40+. But unless I were absolutely sold that one of these 3 were going to go off, you probably get the same production out of Rivers a few rounds later.
 
I like all of those guys right about the same and think they all have a shot at being #1 this year. I'd try to take the last one of the group which will probably be one of Rivers or Schaub.

What I hate is there doesn't seem to be a standout sleeper candidate this year if you miss out on one of these guys. Last year it was Schaub as people were scared of the injuries but his PPG totals were outstanding. If he stayed healthy, you knew he was in for a top season. This year I feel like there are like 5 guys that could bust out join top 10 but good luck differentiating which one it will be. Flacco or Ryan seem the best bets IMO.
This is how I feel I have 8 Qb's I really like and won't take a Qb no matter where I am in the draft until atleast 5 of them are gone. If i miss out on my 8 then go with a good committee type as a back up plan.
Me too (except for the part about Flacco and Ryan, who IMO despite talent and receivers, are in too conservative offenses to likely enter the top 10). The top 8 aren't different enough in opportunity and potential for me to take a top ranked guy as early as I would have to, unless someone slips significantly. At APD, I think waiting until 2 or 3 are left and taking the one you like there offers the most value. A guy you get in the 4th might turn out to be as good as the best. And that's a lot of extra RB/WR value for free.
 
Regarding Schaub, is there any concern about the fact that Kyle Shanahan is gone and he's working with a new offensive coordinator? I like him, but that's what's keeping me from putting him above Brady and Rivers.

 

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