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$400mm to Iran for Prisoner Swap (1 Viewer)

Mr.Pack said:
You obama, clinton lovers who just fall in step with everything they do and defend it to death really crack me up. Robots, that's all you are.

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
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You didn't sell me with the first rolling face emoji. The second one, I must admit, budged me. But the third one, that the third rolling face emoji. That one sold me.

 
msommer said:
Yeah, That Iran-Contra thing really gets to me.....
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That was 30 years ago...I think I can find more recent examples, like when the university kids were actually alive to see it...

 
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timschochet said:
:lmao: I'm not comfortable that I'm right. Who knows? I'm just not excluding the possibility at this point. 

But ISIS hates the Iranians and vice versa. Seems to me it would behoove us to find a way to take advantage of this, no? 
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Agreed. I love how some in here are still running with the 1985 foreign policy.

 
“Our top priority was getting the Americans home,” said a U.S. official. Once the Americans were “wheels up” on the morning of Jan. 17, Iranian officials in Geneva were allowed to take custody of the $400 million in currency, according to officials briefed on the exchange.

The payment marked the first installment of a $1.7 billion settlement the Obama administration announced it had reached with Tehran in January to resolve a decades-old legal dispute traced back to the final days of Iran’s last monarch, Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. His government paid $400 million into a Pentagon trust fund in 1979 for military parts that were never delivered because of the Islamic revolution that toppled him.

In settling the claim, which had been tied up at the Hague Tribunal since 1981, the U.S. is returning the money in the fund along with "a roughly $1.3 billion compromise on the interest," the statement said.

Mr. Obama said on Aug. 4 the payment had to be in cash because the U.S. and Iran have no banking relationship, eliminating the possibility of a check or wire transfer.
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badmojo1006 said:
OK, this doesn't look good
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Just throwing this here.

We are going to pay them $400 mil...correct?  That was going to happen, we agree that is the case?

We say to them...the only way we give you this money is if you give up our prisoners.  Is that worse than paying them the money we were going to...and getting nothing in return?

We put the contingency on it apparently.

Not them saying...hey, we have these guys, give us the money you owe and we will let them go.

Some appear to be thinking that latter is how it went, the statement by State is vague there but seems more like we put the contingency on the payment.

 
Funkley said:
lighten up francis
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Sorry, I'm on my phone and type short responses normally, that can come across as dooshy. Not my intention.

If we're talking Hezbollah, yeah that's a terrorist group. But not a group bent on destroying every non Muslim on the planet (Isrealis though are a diffrrent story). If a suicide bomber hits a US or European tourist attraction, it ain't gonna be a Shia.

 
sho nuff said:
Just throwing this here.

We are going to pay them $400 mil...correct?  That was going to happen, we agree that is the case?

We say to them...the only way we give you this money is if you give up our prisoners.  Is that worse than paying them the money we were going to...and getting nothing in return?

We put the contingency on it apparently.

Not them saying...hey, we have these guys, give us the money you owe and we will let them go.

Some appear to be thinking that latter is how it went, the statement by State is vague there but seems more like we put the contingency on the payment.
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I still believe the Obama Administration that it was not a ransom, just does not look good

 
badmojo1006 said:
I still believe the Obama Administration that it was not a ransom, just does not look good
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Seems a semantics thing in a way.  And nothing new...goes back to the 80s and further...unfreezing assets or paying them money we owed and we got something in return.

 
Jobber said:
Sorry, I'm on my phone and type short responses normally, that can come across as dooshy. Not my intention.

If we're talking Hezbollah, yeah that's a terrorist group. But not a group bent on destroying every non Muslim on the planet (Isrealis though are a diffrrent story). If a suicide bomber hits a US or European tourist attraction, it ain't gonna be a Shia.
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no worries. giving you crap. I was merely assuming that you could still get those scarves in Iran.....in an unfunny way.

 
cstu said:
It wasn't a ransom though, it was money owed that we wouldn't pay until prisoners were released.
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So, the Iranians were the ones that paid a ransom, by delivering the prisoners in exchange for their money.  Thats some tricky business...

 
Why is this so difficult to understand, it was totally different groups that were talking about paying the money to Iran and that were talking to Iran about the release in prisoners.  It is totally normal that we would secretly fill a plane with cash and deliver to Iran.  It was just a coincidence that the prisoners were released on the same day the money was delivered.  Of course, the release of the money was contingent on the release of the prisoners but it was not a ransom.  There was no quid pro quo even though there was an expected return for something.  Yes, technically that is the definition of quid pro quo but it depends on your definition of quid.

 
Baloney Sandwich said:
Why is this so difficult to understand, it was totally different groups that were talking about paying the money to Iran and that were talking to Iran about the release in prisoners.  It is totally normal that we would secretly fill a plane with cash and deliver to Iran.  It was just a coincidence that the prisoners were released on the same day the money was delivered.  Of course, the release of the money was contingent on the release of the prisoners but it was not a ransom.  There was no quid pro quo even though there was an expected return for something.  Yes, technically that is the definition of quid pro quo but it depends on your definition of quid.
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Totally

 
badmojo1006 said:
I still believe the Obama Administration that it was not a ransom, just does not look good
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The administration?  Obama himself gave a speech where he said "Read my lips - we didn't pay a ransom.  The US doesn't pay ransoms."

So, which was the better deal:

5 senior terrorist leaders for one American traitor?

or

100mil per Iranian hostage?

 
BassNBrew said:
$400 million would feed a lot of people or pay a lot of teachers.
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$400 million is the payment we took from Iran in 1979 for weapons we never delivered.  Many of you guys are treating this like a ransom when it's actually the return of stolen money.

 
cstu said:
$400 million is the payment we took from Iran in 1979 for weapons we never delivered.  Many of you guys are treating this like a ransom when it's actually the return of stolen money.
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Unfortunately the return of said money is against federal law - not that that has stopped this administration.  Thus the 400 mil in small foreign bills shipped on an unmarked plane.

Luckily the fact that it was a ransom wasn't illegal, just contrary to US policy and contradictory to POTUS direct statements.

BTW, the refusal to call it a ransom is hysterical - the administration has just confirmed that.  It is a matter of fact at this point.

 
cstu said:
$400 million is the payment we took from Iran in 1979 for weapons we never delivered.  Many of you guys are treating this like a ransom when it's actually the return of stolen money.
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Glad to hear Obama is a man of honor and there's a chance we'll get the $2400 savings in health insurance premiums he promised.

 
Huh, so the State Dept. has issued a travel warning for Iran as they have noticed Iran is actively looking to detain US citizens.

Really, who could have seen that coming?

 
Sand said:
Huh, so the State Dept. has issued a travel warning for Iran as they have noticed Iran is actively looking to detain US citizens.

Really, who could have seen that coming?
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There are 3 Americans detained by Iran - all dual U.S./Iranian citizens.

“These arrests are part of the tense power struggle between those who would like to get closer to the US and those who are scared of any impacts of that on Iran’s domestic politics,” said a reform-minded political analyst. “The goal seems to be spreading fears to undermine the government of Rouhani in western states’ eyes and foreign businesses.”
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Link

 
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