86% of strident conservatives think the poor "have it easy" (1 Viewer)

[MC Gas Money]

Why don't the poor just get jobs?

A capitalist machine needs a good chunk of the population to be unemployed to keep labor costs low. There will always be poor until that system is changed.

That makes absolutely no sense.

If there unemployed people to fill any job then the rich have more bargaining power over the poor to keep wages low.

 

[drummer]

Hey, those people have a swamp cooler!

LUXURIOUS

 

[jonessed]

Why don't the poor just get jobs?

A capitalist machine needs a good chunk of the population to be unemployed to keep labor costs low. There will always be poor until that system is changed.

That makes absolutely no sense.

If there unemployed people to fill any job then the rich have more bargaining power over the poor to keep wages low.

So you believe that capitalism thrives on high unemployment?

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

It is all subjective. Compared to those in America that are not poor, sure, it is a much harder life.

Compared to most of the world's poor- hell yea, they have it easy. Anyone that has done any amount of work with poor people from other countries or taken the time to learn or listen from sources that know this easily understand this.

Heck, compared to rich people in the Thirteenth Century American poor have a better life.

Now, here is the thing.... if you want to throw out percentages of what conservatives think about poor, then you should also put in some work on percentages of how conservatives outshine liberals in donations (both time and money) to helping the poor (both American and foreign). I think some people who are appalled about this subject matter may be shocked at what they find.

For all the talk liberals give about helping...they really don't put their money where there mouth is. It's all about platitudes and patting each other on the back.

They want to "help" people, but with your money, not theirs.

Conservatives seem to give more, but the difference also appears to be almost entirely attributable to what people donate to their church. The same analytic techniques that shows conservative give more (and it's all state level analysis) also suggests that Utah is about 33% more charitable than any other state. I guess they just really care about the poor in Utah.

Or there is something else going on.

Try to spin it however you would like, the truth is that conservatives tend to give more money and time to help those less fortunate than themselves (and plenty that do not have the means to give financially give their time anyways). Whether money is being given through a religious or non-religious organization to help those in need really does not matter to those getting the help.

Religious institutions do some good things with money they receive through donations. They also do a lot of stuff that I don't care about (building new churches, funding proselytizing, rally people to restrict what many view as civil rights, etc. When you back out religious giving, liberals appear to give more. I don't take that as evidence that liberals are more charitable or care more, just that they tend to be less religious and are less likely to subscribe to things like tithing or other pro forma religious giving.

I also don't believe that conservatives (generally speaking) don't care about the less fortunate. I just think some have misguided, misinformed, and often misled opinions on public policy when it comes to poverty.

ETA: I softened some language, because all of the research on this topic is fairly new and the source data isn't great. Even then the differences that are found in giving rates are marginal. Or in other words, liberals, moderates and conservative appear to be more similar in their giving than they are different.

 

[MC Gas Money]

Why don't the poor just get jobs?

A capitalist machine needs a good chunk of the population to be unemployed to keep labor costs low. There will always be poor until that system is changed.

That makes absolutely no sense.

If there unemployed people to fill any job then the rich have more bargaining power over the poor to keep wages low.

So you believe that capitalism thrives on high unemployment?

Absolutely, but not for everyone. The rich have gotten richer in this recession.

 

[jonessed]

Why don't the poor just get jobs?

A capitalist machine needs a good chunk of the population to be unemployed to keep labor costs low. There will always be poor until that system is changed.

That makes absolutely no sense.

If there unemployed people to fill any job then the rich have more bargaining power over the poor to keep wages low.

So you believe that capitalism thrives on high unemployment?

Absolutely, but not for everyone. The rich have gotten richer in this recession.

That's a pretty myopic view of capitalism. How old are you?

 

[MC Gas Money]

Why don't the poor just get jobs?

A capitalist machine needs a good chunk of the population to be unemployed to keep labor costs low. There will always be poor until that system is changed.

That makes absolutely no sense.

If there unemployed people to fill any job then the rich have more bargaining power over the poor to keep wages low.

So you believe that capitalism thrives on high unemployment?

Absolutely, but not for everyone. The rich have gotten richer in this recession.

That's a pretty myopic view of capitalism. How old are you?

My age is irrelevant. I know a screw job when I see one. Capitalism is a nicer term for oligarchy.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I'd give anything to do all my shopping (and tax paying) at the local gas station.

 

[drummer]

Putting a Wal-Mart anywhere in the USA solves everything.

 

[jonessed]

Why don't the poor just get jobs?

A capitalist machine needs a good chunk of the population to be unemployed to keep labor costs low. There will always be poor until that system is changed.

That makes absolutely no sense.

If there unemployed people to fill any job then the rich have more bargaining power over the poor to keep wages low.

So you believe that capitalism thrives on high unemployment?

Absolutely, but not for everyone. The rich have gotten richer in this recession.

That's a pretty myopic view of capitalism. How old are you?

My age is irrelevant. I know a screw job when I see one. Capitalism is a nicer term for oligarchy.

Stick to pictures.

 

[jonessed]

Putting a Wal-Mart anywhere in the USA solves everything.

Please... no.

 

[MC Gas Money]

Why don't the poor just get jobs?

A capitalist machine needs a good chunk of the population to be unemployed to keep labor costs low. There will always be poor until that system is changed.

That makes absolutely no sense.

If there unemployed people to fill any job then the rich have more bargaining power over the poor to keep wages low.

So you believe that capitalism thrives on high unemployment?

Absolutely, but not for everyone. The rich have gotten richer in this recession.

That's a pretty myopic view of capitalism. How old are you?

My age is irrelevant. I know a screw job when I see one. Capitalism is a nicer term for oligarchy.

Stick to pictures.

Keep believing the people who rule you arent evil.

Thats what they want you to believe.

 

[Aerial Assault]

Putting a Wal-Mart anywhere in the USA solves everything.

That's actually been tried

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

As usual much more to the report.

http://www.people-press.org/2014/06/26/the-political-typology-beyond-red-vs-blue/

http://www.people-press.org/files/2014/06/6-26-14-Political-Typology-release.pdf

Take the quiz, see where you fall in the Political Typography:

http://www.people-press.org/quiz/political-typology/

 

[DiStefano]

Compared to the rest of the rich people in the world, the rich have it easy in America.

You haven't a clue. There is no one who lives as well as a very rich person in the third world. Dozens of servants, pays a very low tax rate, hobnobs with the elite of the country, and has friends in the government who make sure he doesn't have to pay traffic tickets, and gets first class medical care at very low cost. Of course, if the medical problem is serious, he'll fly to Europe or the US for medical care.

But then again, he does have to worry about security and possible revolution.

 

[MC Gas Money]

Compared to the rest of the rich people in the world, the rich have it easy in America.

You haven't a clue. There is no one who lives as well as a very rich person in the third world. Dozens of servants, pays a very low tax rate, hobnobs with the elite of the country, and has friends in the government who make sure he doesn't have to pay traffic tickets, and gets first class medical care at very low cost. Of course, if the medical problem is serious, he'll fly to Europe or the US for medical care.

But then again, he does have to worry about security and possible revolution.

Just look at what this disgusting disgrace of a person built in india

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antilia_(building)

 

[Run It Up]

Read the title as: "86% of strident conservatives are literally mentally deficient"

 

[jon_mx]

Read the title as: "86% of strident conservatives are literally mentally deficient"

Unlike you who does not even smart enough to understand the poll question and what a bull#### headline and story it is.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Read the title as: "86% of strident conservatives are literally mentally deficient"

Unlike you who does not even smart enough to understand the poll question and what a bull#### headline and story it is.

 

[squistion]

Read the title as: "86% of strident conservatives are literally mentally deficient"

Unlike you who does not even smart enough to understand the poll question and what a bull#### headline and story it is.

 

[Hooper31]

They surveyed .003% of the American population. Just goes to show again, you can make stats and surveys say anything you want it to.

.003$ of 314 million is about 9420. That's an enormous sample size given proper random sampling techniques.

Most people aren't aware that random sampling of any population can make what feels like a small sample size adequate. In my experience the problem is that claims of random sampling are made but aren't valid. All the people that weren't authentically eligible to be randomly selected aren't part of the population.

Did you read the question. It nowhere near says what the article says. But keep peddling blatant BS.

Seriously? How am I "peddling" anything?

 

[Fennis]

Compared to the rest of the rich people in the world, the rich have it easy in America.

You haven't a clue. There is no one who lives as well as a very rich person in the third world. Dozens of servants, pays a very low tax rate, hobnobs with the elite of the country, and has friends in the government who make sure he doesn't have to pay traffic tickets, and gets first class medical care at very low cost. Of course, if the medical problem is serious, he'll fly to Europe or the US for medical care.

But then again, he does have to worry about security and possible revolution.

your first paragraph just described the very rich in the US, except they don't need to fly anywhere for medical care.

 

[jon_mx]

They surveyed .003% of the American population. Just goes to show again, you can make stats and surveys say anything you want it to.

.003$ of 314 million is about 9420. That's an enormous sample size given proper random sampling techniques.

Most people aren't aware that random sampling of any population can make what feels like a small sample size adequate. In my experience the problem is that claims of random sampling are made but aren't valid. All the people that weren't authentically eligible to be randomly selected aren't part of the population.

Did you read the question. It nowhere near says what the article says. But keep peddling blatant BS.

Seriously? How am I "peddling" anything?

You are defending this poll which was completely mis-characterized and sensationalized by the article. You are right, the sample size is not the problem though.

 

[bigbottom]

They surveyed .003% of the American population. Just goes to show again, you can make stats and surveys say anything you want it to.

.003$ of 314 million is about 9420. That's an enormous sample size given proper random sampling techniques.

Most people aren't aware that random sampling of any population can make what feels like a small sample size adequate. In my experience the problem is that claims of random sampling are made but aren't valid. All the people that weren't authentically eligible to be randomly selected aren't part of the population.

Did you read the question. It nowhere near says what the article says. But keep peddling blatant BS.

Seriously? How am I "peddling" anything?

You are defending this poll which was completely mis-characterized and sensationalized by the article. You are right, the sample size is not the problem though.

Why did you accuse him of peddling blatant BS if you agree with the point he was making?

 

[Rubi]

By American standards they are poor. by world standards - not so much.

But it's America where they live

 

[humpback]

More quality work from BigSteelHack. Bravo.

 

[Hooper31]

Why did you accuse him of peddling blatant BS if you agree with the point he was making?

I assume some people live day to day just looking to pick random iFights.

 

[jon_mx]

Why did you accuse him of peddling blatant BS if you agree with the point he was making?

I assume some people live day to day just looking to pick random iFights.

I was just disgusted that people post this crap and instead of getting called out. Most defending this would go ape-#### if FoxNews did this.

 

[Mister CIA]

Hodor

 

[Aerial Assault]

Why did you accuse him of peddling blatant BS if you agree with the point he was making?

I assume some people live day to day just looking to pick random iFights.

I was just disgusted that people post this crap and instead of getting called out. Most defending this would go ape-#### if FoxNews did this.

I doubt Fox News would release a survey containing such findings.

 

[Apple Jack]

Compared to the rest of the rich people in the world, the rich have it easy in America.

You haven't a clue. There is no one who lives as well as a very rich person in the third world. Dozens of servants, pays a very low tax rate, hobnobs with the elite of the country, and has friends in the government who make sure he doesn't have to pay traffic tickets, and gets first class medical care at very low cost. Of course, if the medical problem is serious, he'll fly to Europe or the US for medical care.

But then again, he does have to worry about security and possible revolution.

Very rich people in US do sweat their parking tickets so you have a point.

 

[Rove!]

Why don't the poor just get jobs?

A capitalist machine needs a good chunk of the population to be unemployed to keep labor costs low. There will always be poor until that system is changed.

That makes absolutely no sense.

If there unemployed people to fill any job then the rich have more bargaining power over the poor to keep wages low.

So you believe that capitalism thrives on high unemployment?

unemployment depresses wages....

basic supply and demand

 

[Rove!]

so half of America works crazy hours and bust their hump, so the other half cab have access to safe food, clean water, police, fire and ambulance services, military defense, free education and now access to heath care, and this is what the attitude they get in return? To paraphrase P Spock, the correct answer isto say #### you to your ungrateful ###. What really sucks is to sacrifice so much and then have to take #### for it.

 

[MC Gas Money]

Why don't the poor just get jobs?

A capitalist machine needs a good chunk of the population to be unemployed to keep labor costs low. There will always be poor until that system is changed.

That makes absolutely no sense.

If there unemployed people to fill any job then the rich have more bargaining power over the poor to keep wages low.

So you believe that capitalism thrives on high unemployment?

unemployment depresses wages....

basic supply and demand

Oh but thats so myopic!!!!!!

 

[bueno]

Poor people in America have it great compared to many, many other people in this world.

this

 

[drummer]

so half of America works crazy hours and bust their hump, so the other half cab have access to safe food, clean water, police, fire and ambulance services, military defense, free education and now access to heath care, and this is what the attitude they get in return? To paraphrase P Spock, the correct answer isto say #### you to your ungrateful ###. What really sucks is to sacrifice so much and then have to take #### for it.

Get a job

 

[tommyboy]

Lotta fish in here

 

[MC Gas Money]

Its tough being poor. Especially feeding yourself.

With the prices what they are there is no better time to stop eating food entirely.

I only eat biodegradable packing peanuts and flavorful muds

 

[parasaurolophus]

Here is the thing... I wouldn't want to switch places with them. I enjoy my life. I like spending money. I like traveling. I like having a big yard.

All that being said, I see enough poor people(my company is located in the heart of one the worst areas in milwaukee) every day just hanging out walking around. The basketball courts are all full. They are out walking their pit bulls. They come and hang out on the front stoop of our building. They steal parts from our trucks in broad daylight.

We aren't talking about just a few people either. I literally see hundreds every day. The unemployment numbers in this area are staggering.

On the flip side I also see people waiting at bus stops wearing work uniforms. I see the same woman 3-4 times a week. I can tell by where she works she spends about an hour on the bus each day, each way.

One of these lifestyles is very hard. The other, although not desirable, isn't exactly hard. In fact it is pretty damn easy. These are the people that are most noticeable. They are loud, inconsiderate, leaches of society. They give the true working poor a bad deal. People would be far more willing to help if they knew their money wasn't going to iphones, air jordans and pit bull chow.

 

[MC Gas Money]

Here is the thing... I wouldn't want to switch places with them. I enjoy my life. I like spending money. I like traveling. I like having a big yard.

All that being said, I see enough poor people(my company is located in the heart of one the worst areas in milwaukee) every day just hanging out walking around. The basketball courts are all full. They are out walking their pit bulls. They come and hang out on the front stoop of our building. They steal parts from our trucks in broad daylight.

We aren't talking about just a few people either. I literally see hundreds every day. The unemployment numbers in this area are staggering.

On the flip side I also see people waiting at bus stops wearing work uniforms. I see the same woman 3-4 times a week. I can tell by where she works she spends about an hour on the bus each day, each way.

One of these lifestyles is very hard. The other, although not desirable, isn't exactly hard. In fact it is pretty damn easy. These are the people that are most noticeable. They are loud, inconsiderate, leaches of society. They give the true working poor a bad deal. People would be far more willing to help if they knew their money wasn't going to iphones, air jordans and pit bull chow.

The things you are talking about them spending money on and doing with their time make it clear what kind of people you are talking about. Those are not the legit poor that dont act like lowlifes.

 

[jon_mx]

Its tough being poor. Especially feeding yourself.

With the prices what they are there is no better time to stop eating food entirely.

I only eat biodegradable packing peanuts and flavorful muds

I thought your gf's mother feed you?

 

[MC Gas Money]

Its tough being poor. Especially feeding yourself.

With the prices what they are there is no better time to stop eating food entirely.

I only eat biodegradable packing peanuts and flavorful muds

I thought your gf's mother feed you?

Im talking about the food I eat at home.

 

[Christo]

Here is the thing... I wouldn't want to switch places with them. I enjoy my life. I like spending money. I like traveling. I like having a big yard.

All that being said, I see enough poor people(my company is located in the heart of one the worst areas in milwaukee) every day just hanging out walking around. The basketball courts are all full. They are out walking their pit bulls. They come and hang out on the front stoop of our building. They steal parts from our trucks in broad daylight.

We aren't talking about just a few people either. I literally see hundreds every day. The unemployment numbers in this area are staggering.

On the flip side I also see people waiting at bus stops wearing work uniforms. I see the same woman 3-4 times a week. I can tell by where she works she spends about an hour on the bus each day, each way.

One of these lifestyles is very hard. The other, although not desirable, isn't exactly hard. In fact it is pretty damn easy. These are the people that are most noticeable. They are loud, inconsiderate, leaches of society. They give the true working poor a bad deal. People would be far more willing to help if they knew their money wasn't going to iphones, air jordans and pit bull chow.

The things you are talking about them spending money on and doing with their time make it clear what kind of people you are talking about. Those are not the legit poor that dont act like lowlifes.

So now there's a legit poor and a non-legit poor.

 

[timschochet]

How best to help poor people?

1. Free trade.

2. Spend more money on public education in poorer areas. Also, end teacher tenure.

3. Revisit Jack Kemp's old idea of tax breaks and subsidies for companies that want to operate in the inner cities.

4. Massive government spending to rebuild our infrastructure.

5. Give the undocumented legal status and increase immigration.

6. Slash corporate taxes but end corporate subsidies.

7. Revisit every government restriction on new businesses and try to eliminate whatever seems excessive.

8. Get rid of minimum wage. Yes, get rid of it. Let the marketplace decide income.

9. Stop trying to reduce entitlement spending. It just creates anger and resentment.

10. Stop worrying about the deficit and the debt. There's nothing we can do about them except to try to grow the economy. Don't cut spending; it makes things worse.

 

[MC Gas Money]

Here is the thing... I wouldn't want to switch places with them. I enjoy my life. I like spending money. I like traveling. I like having a big yard.

All that being said, I see enough poor people(my company is located in the heart of one the worst areas in milwaukee) every day just hanging out walking around. The basketball courts are all full. They are out walking their pit bulls. They come and hang out on the front stoop of our building. They steal parts from our trucks in broad daylight.

We aren't talking about just a few people either. I literally see hundreds every day. The unemployment numbers in this area are staggering.

On the flip side I also see people waiting at bus stops wearing work uniforms. I see the same woman 3-4 times a week. I can tell by where she works she spends about an hour on the bus each day, each way.

One of these lifestyles is very hard. The other, although not desirable, isn't exactly hard. In fact it is pretty damn easy. These are the people that are most noticeable. They are loud, inconsiderate, leaches of society. They give the true working poor a bad deal. People would be far more willing to help if they knew their money wasn't going to iphones, air jordans and pit bull chow.

The things you are talking about them spending money on and doing with their time make it clear what kind of people you are talking about. Those are not the legit poor that dont act like lowlifes.

So now there's a legit poor and a non-legit poor.

Yes. Some are poor because of their own behaviour and some by circumstances outside of their control

 

[Christo]

How best to help poor people?

1. Free trade.

2. Spend more money on public education in poorer areas. Also, end teacher tenure.

3. Revisit Jack Kemp's old idea of tax breaks and subsidies for companies that want to operate in the inner cities.

4. Massive government spending to rebuild our infrastructure.

5. Give the undocumented legal status and increase immigration.

6. Slash corporate taxes but end corporate subsidies.

7. Revisit every government restriction on new businesses and try to eliminate whatever seems excessive.

8. Get rid of minimum wage. Yes, get rid of it. Let thearkwtplace decide income.

Pie meet sky.

 

[RBM]

How best to help poor people?

1. Massive government spending

Shortened that up for ya Tim.

 

[timschochet]

How best to help poor people?

1. Massive government spending

Shortened that up for ya Tim.

Woulda thought a conservative like you would have liked the parts about slashing corporate taxes, ending teacher tenure, cutting red tape, getting rid of minimum wage.

 

[MC Gas Money]

The people who have never been poor think they know everything about it. Its like a white person who thinks they know what its like to be black or a man thinking he knows what its like to be a woman.

With downsizing, outsourcing, automation and mega corporations destroying private local business where exactly is everyone born at the bottom of the ladder supposed to work? Walmart for 23 hours a week and sleep in a tent?

There arent enough jobs. Should they just die?

Poverty isnt always a poor persons fault. Anyone of you elitists could catch sone bad breaks and wind up poor. You are just an illness or serious injury away.

Then you will know and regret what ypu said about the poor in the past

 

[Christo]

The people who have never been poor think they know everything about it. Its like a white person who thinks they know what its like to be black or a man thinking he knows what its like to be a woman.

With downsizing, outsourcing, automation and mega corporations destroying private local business where exactly is everyone born at the bottom of the ladder supposed to work? Walmart for 23 hours a week and sleep in a tent?

There arent enough jobs. Should they just die?

Poverty isnt always a poor persons fault. Anyone of you elitists could catch sone bad breaks and wind up poor. You are just an illness or serious injury away.

Then you will know and regret what ypu said about the poor in the past

Finally! Someone hit the nail on the head. We want them to die!