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A. Benn: "Hakeem Nicks-like explosion next season" (1 Viewer)

BallparkFrank

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So, in looking over the waiver wire options (re-draft), I decided to do a little homework on Arrelious Benn. The latest "News Article" that appears on his MFL page left me a bit speechless. I've only seen highlights, but Hakeem Nicks? :confused:

(FFToday) Bucs OC Greg Olson agreed that Arrelious Benn looks to have fresh legs right now while other players on the field seem to be slowing down late in the year. Because of Benn's recent standout play, Olson envisions getting him the ball more in the final three games of the season. "The more opportunities we have to get the ball in his hands, the more productive he'll be," Olson said. "He looks fresher. I think it is because he trains very well. He takes care of his body. He's strong, but he definitely looks like he has a faster gear than other guys on the field right now...We need to find ways to get him the ball."

Analysis: Benn was buried behind fellow impressive rookie Mike Williams and Sammie Stroughter early this season, but it appears he is starting to live up to his second-round draft spot. While it is not advisable to use him in redraft league during the fantasy playoffs, his stock in keeper and dynasty leagues is skyrocketing. With Josh Freeman under center and Williams on the other side, Benn could be poised for a Hakeem Nicks-like explosion next season.

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OC saying "we need to find ways to get him the ball" following a 122-yard game is encouraging. Just whether or not you have the gut for it in the playoffs. I have him penciled in as WR2 over Steve Johnson and Harvin right now. If Joe Webb starts I'll be plugging him in over Benn.

 
2 long bombs don't have me convinced. But he's worth a flyer in dynasty right now
He's more than a flyer in dynasty. He was a consensus 1st round rookie pick, it's not like anyone grabbed him off the waivers in dynasty leagues.And what I've seen is encouraging. I don't think he has it in him to be Nicks, but he could turn into a fine fantasy WR.
 
Does Tampa wing the ball around enough for this to happen? I dont think so.
That is my concern. Seems like Morris's philosophy is a strong running game to set up the pass, not the other way around. I don't see Freeman, despite his development, throwing the ball 35+ times a game unless the defense is really bad.With Winslow and Syracuse Mike around, there may not be a lot of upside for Benn beyond a few big plays here and there.
 
Does Tampa wing the ball around enough for this to happen? I dont think so.
That is my concern. Seems like Morris's philosophy is a strong running game to set up the pass, not the other way around. I don't see Freeman, despite his development, throwing the ball 35+ times a game unless the defense is really bad.With Winslow and Syracuse Mike around, there may not be a lot of upside for Benn beyond a few big plays here and there.
If Shaun Hill is healthy and starting, I don't see this as a Tampa blow out. Same thing was said when folks were concerned they would be up by 21 at the half against the Redskins. With a competent QB(Stanton is NOT competent), there is not anyone in the Tampa secondary that can cover Calvin Johnson.
 
Does Tampa wing the ball around enough for this to happen? I dont think so.
That is my concern. Seems like Morris's philosophy is a strong running game to set up the pass, not the other way around. I don't see Freeman, despite his development, throwing the ball 35+ times a game unless the defense is really bad.With Winslow and Syracuse Mike around, there may not be a lot of upside for Benn beyond a few big plays here and there.
If Shaun Hill is healthy and starting, I don't see this as a Tampa blow out. Same thing was said when folks were concerned they would be up by 21 at the half against the Redskins. With a competent QB(Stanton is NOT competent), there is not anyone in the Tampa secondary that can cover Calvin Johnson.
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I think Mike Williams will be the guy playing the Nicks role for the Bucs.

Sure, Benn has upside but I don't think he's ever gonna be the WR1 on his own team. I suppose they could turn into the new Fitz/Boldin, but Tampa would have to change their offensive philosophy.

 
He's a swing for the fences gamble right now with increasingly better odds of connecting than a month ago. Not sure I agree with my old pals at FFToday, but I agree that he has the talent to one day be as productive as Nicks in the right offense. Difficult for me to believe it will be next year without a lot of hard work, but there are some nice components coming together for that Giants offense. He's definitely a wide receiver that I'd target as my 5th or 6th guy at the position on my board in 3-wr leagues next year.

 
tampa is painfully conservative, they have not shown the desire or ability to produce stud WRs (even williams has fallen off quite a bit).

 
He's a swing for the fences gamble right now with increasingly better odds of connecting than a month ago. Not sure I agree with my old pals at FFToday, but I agree that he has the talent to one day be as productive as Nicks in the right offense. Difficult for me to believe it will be next year without a lot of hard work, but there are some nice components coming together for that Giants offense. He's definitely a wide receiver that I'd target as my 5th or 6th guy at the position on my board in 3-wr leagues next year.
Get off the fence Waldman. Is he worth a flex start this weekend for those that are desperate? Does he finish with more FP than Steve Johnson? He was one of the most productive WRs in the league last weekend.Time for the "experts" to start making some real calls.
 
In the limited touches/targets Benn has had this season, I have liked what I have seen. He could be the 1B to Williams' 1A in the passing game. As Freeman grows more, they will give him more opportunities in the passing game (see Matt Ryan this year compared to 2009). There will be plenty of work for Benn to approach 1000 yards next year with Williams having a little more than that. Benn has more talent than Williams from my vantage point, but Williams is ahead of Benn as far as understanding the offense/route-running/etc.

 
In the limited touches/targets Benn has had this season, I have liked what I have seen. He could be the 1B to Williams' 1A in the passing game. As Freeman grows more, they will give him more opportunities in the passing game (see Matt Ryan this year compared to 2009). There will be plenty of work for Benn to approach 1000 yards next year with Williams having a little more than that. Benn has more talent than Williams from my vantage point, but Williams is ahead of Benn as far as understanding the offense/route-running/etc.
This is a possibility I've been kicking around as well. While there's no arguing that Mike Williams was far more pro-ready, I'm not so convinced that Benn doesn't have it in him to be the 1A 2 or 3 years down the line. Granted I haven't watched many full TB games this year but the fact that Benn was considered (incorrectly in my opinion both at the time and now) by many to be on par with or a very close second to Dez Bryant a couple years ago combined with the fact that many incredibly talented WRs who went on to be great started slow their rookie season indicates that it may be premature to consider his long-term upside capped at "1B" in a lesser passing offense.
 
Benn has more talent than Williams...
Are there any hard numbers to support this? Combine. etc.?
Probably not. I will say as a die-hard, and a season-ticket holder, I think Benn has a monster future ahead of him. Williams is more precise, a Rice-type (no, not calling him Jerry Rice, but the fact he's a bit slower, less physical, but always in the right spot and running the correct route); Benn is way more physical and explosive. He's the guy who is going to get deep. I would imagine in future years that Mike catches the most passes, while they both have similar amounts of yards. Benn will be the deep guy. I am very excited about both of them.
 
umm ... Tampa Mike is a better WR, better hands better routes better timing better at reading defenses .. just better

why must we just get too caught up in the prospecting that we fail to see that

Tampa Mike getting constantly double teamed, 3 or 4 games into his rookie year is unheard of

i think Benn will make a fine WR2 for TB

but their WR1 job is taken for 5-8 years

 
Benn has more talent than Williams...
Are there any hard numbers to support this? Combine. etc.?
Probably not. I will say as a die-hard, and a season-ticket holder, I think Benn has a monster future ahead of him. Williams is more precise, a Rice-type (no, not calling him Jerry Rice, but the fact he's a bit slower, less physical, but always in the right spot and running the correct route); Benn is way more physical and explosive. He's the guy who is going to get deep. I would imagine in future years that Mike catches the most passes, while they both have similar amounts of yards. Benn will be the deep guy. I am very excited about both of them.
I see all those things as well. Benn has been worked into the gameplan the 2nd half of the season I would say. When he gets the ball there is a physical nature to his yards after the catch and a big play capability every play. If Williams gets doubled a lot next year, Benn will have a nice sophomore campaign. I can see Williams as a better PPR guy, but Benn having more TDs and YPC.
 
umm ... Tampa Mike is a better WR, better hands better routes better timing better at reading defenses .. just betterwhy must we just get too caught up in the prospecting that we fail to see thatTampa Mike getting constantly double teamed, 3 or 4 games into his rookie year is unheard ofi think Benn will make a fine WR2 for TBbut their WR1 job is taken for 5-8 years
You just described the exact type of WR who comes into the league ready to make an impact...it has little to do with who's better in the long run as those are mostly learnable skills. Yes, Williams is most definitely a better WR than Benn right now. Certainly with Benn as opposed to Williams there is the RISK that he won't learn those things, so you'd never trade Williams for Benn straight up...but if you want to say that polish is everything and ignore upside. To go back to the Nicks parallel: Steve Smith was a far more polished WR than Nicks last year. He had better hands, ran better routes, had better timing, and was better at reading defenses. This year, Nicks learned some of those things, and you've seen the result. Had you made the decision to ignore Nicks's physical talent due to there being a more polished WR on the team, you would have lost out on quite a bit. Not saying Williams is untalented, but it's foolhardy to dismiss the possibility that Benn's upside is higher if he puts it all together just because of lack of rookie-year polish (especially as a guy who came in pretty raw out of what could hardly be called a complex, pro-style offense in college).
 
Nicks had 47 catches for almost 800 yards last year in 14 games.

Benn has 21 catches for 345 yards. Big difference.

Now if Benn keeps it up and plays great towards the end of this year, than maybe he coudl explode.

But the thread specifically asked if Benn was going to have a Hakeem Nicks explosion NEXT season.

I say no way.

Not saying he won't be good longterm though.

 
He's a swing for the fences gamble right now with increasingly better odds of connecting than a month ago. Not sure I agree with my old pals at FFToday, but I agree that he has the talent to one day be as productive as Nicks in the right offense. Difficult for me to believe it will be next year without a lot of hard work, but there are some nice components coming together for that Giants offense. He's definitely a wide receiver that I'd target as my 5th or 6th guy at the position on my board in 3-wr leagues next year.
Get off the fence Waldman. Is he worth a flex start this weekend for those that are desperate? Does he finish with more FP than Steve Johnson? He was one of the most productive WRs in the league last weekend.Time for the "experts" to start making some real calls.
To answer your question, yes I think Benn out-points Johnson this week because the absence of Lee Evans stretching the field will allow teams to focus on taking Johnson away. While Benn has more downside because he's not as frequently targeted as Johnson has been, I like the potential for the Bucs to hit on a big play.
 
umm ... Tampa Mike is a better WR, better hands better routes better timing better at reading defenses .. just betterwhy must we just get too caught up in the prospecting that we fail to see thatTampa Mike getting constantly double teamed, 3 or 4 games into his rookie year is unheard ofi think Benn will make a fine WR2 for TBbut their WR1 job is taken for 5-8 years
You just described the exact type of WR who comes into the league ready to make an impact...it has little to do with who's better in the long run as those are mostly learnable skills. Yes, Williams is most definitely a better WR than Benn right now. Certainly with Benn as opposed to Williams there is the RISK that he won't learn those things, so you'd never trade Williams for Benn straight up...but if you want to say that polish is everything and ignore upside. To go back to the Nicks parallel: Steve Smith was a far more polished WR than Nicks last year. He had better hands, ran better routes, had better timing, and was better at reading defenses. This year, Nicks learned some of those things, and you've seen the result. Had you made the decision to ignore Nicks's physical talent due to there being a more polished WR on the team, you would have lost out on quite a bit. Not saying Williams is untalented, but it's foolhardy to dismiss the possibility that Benn's upside is higher if he puts it all together just because of lack of rookie-year polish (especially as a guy who came in pretty raw out of what could hardly be called a complex, pro-style offense in college).
This.
 
Does Tampa Pittsburgh wing the ball around enough for this to happen? I dont think so.
That is my concern. Seems like Morris Cowher's philosophy is a strong running game to set up the pass, not the other way around. I don't see Freeman Roethlisberger, despite his development, throwing the ball 35+ times a game unless the defense is really bad.
Roll back the clock a few years.Not an exact parralel, but pretty close IMO. Things change.

BTW, I think Freeman is as close to a BigBen clone on the field as there is in the league.

 
I think Been has shown flashes of that raw talent, but obviously hasn't put it all together. I like him as a big upside flyer especially considering Freeman will possibly be making an equal 'jump' with a year under his belt. The buccs could be this years KC-like surprise team next year. Hell they are almost in the playoffs as it is, they just get no respect. :goodposting:

 
umm ... Tampa Mike is a better WR, better hands better routes better timing better at reading defenses .. just betterwhy must we just get too caught up in the prospecting that we fail to see thatTampa Mike getting constantly double teamed, 3 or 4 games into his rookie year is unheard ofi think Benn will make a fine WR2 for TBbut their WR1 job is taken for 5-8 years
You just described the exact type of WR who comes into the league ready to make an impact...it has little to do with who's better in the long run as those are mostly learnable skills. Yes, Williams is most definitely a better WR than Benn right now. Certainly with Benn as opposed to Williams there is the RISK that he won't learn those things, so you'd never trade Williams for Benn straight up...but if you want to say that polish is everything and ignore upside. To go back to the Nicks parallel: Steve Smith was a far more polished WR than Nicks last year. He had better hands, ran better routes, had better timing, and was better at reading defenses. This year, Nicks learned some of those things, and you've seen the result. Had you made the decision to ignore Nicks's physical talent due to there being a more polished WR on the team, you would have lost out on quite a bit. Not saying Williams is untalented, but it's foolhardy to dismiss the possibility that Benn's upside is higher if he puts it all together just because of lack of rookie-year polish (especially as a guy who came in pretty raw out of what could hardly be called a complex, pro-style offense in college).
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It is too early to tell. TB whether you like it not is still rebuilding. Their defense is very suspect and that has a big impact on offensive numbers. The offensive game will open up a lot once they have a defense that can stop somebody. When your defense is crappy, you have to control the ball and run. And remember, a strong running game always benefits the passing game so Benn's development is also tied to Blounts development along with whoever spells him.

As for Benn himself, he has some size on Nicks and that about it. Not as fast and his hands are not nearly as good as Nicks. I'm skeptical

 
Mike Williams = effin truf!

Not even Anquan got 10 TDs his rookie year. If people really think Benn has more talent than Williams, than they must be projecting Benn to be a HOFer.

 
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umm ... Tampa Mike is a better WR, better hands better routes better timing better at reading defenses .. just betterwhy must we just get too caught up in the prospecting that we fail to see thatTampa Mike getting constantly double teamed, 3 or 4 games into his rookie year is unheard ofi think Benn will make a fine WR2 for TBbut their WR1 job is taken for 5-8 years
You just described the exact type of WR who comes into the league ready to make an impact...it has little to do with who's better in the long run as those are mostly learnable skills. Yes, Williams is most definitely a better WR than Benn right now. Certainly with Benn as opposed to Williams there is the RISK that he won't learn those things, so you'd never trade Williams for Benn straight up...but if you want to say that polish is everything and ignore upside. To go back to the Nicks parallel: Steve Smith was a far more polished WR than Nicks last year. He had better hands, ran better routes, had better timing, and was better at reading defenses. This year, Nicks learned some of those things, and you've seen the result. Had you made the decision to ignore Nicks's physical talent due to there being a more polished WR on the team, you would have lost out on quite a bit. Not saying Williams is untalented, but it's foolhardy to dismiss the possibility that Benn's upside is higher if he puts it all together just because of lack of rookie-year polish (especially as a guy who came in pretty raw out of what could hardly be called a complex, pro-style offense in college).
Have you seen Williams play? Steve Smith is a terrible comparison, Tampa Mike has #1 WR written all over him. Oh yeah dude is a rookie too, just like Benn.If Freeman and the running game is for real, the sky appears to be the limit for Williams.
 

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