A commish made an adjustment to the scoring DURING the draft (1 Viewer)

[kethnaab]

It was reasonably innocent, I believe. About 16 minutes into the draft, he says something like "return yards count, be careful with your WRs and DBs"

now I keep the settings window open on one monitor the moment the draft begins and I keep the actual draft window open on the other monitor, and there was NOTHING about the scoring that indicated kick and punt return yards mattered

but now, 16 minutes into the draft, sure enough, it says "commish makes adjustment to scoring rules" - I refreshed the score settings screen and it says "1 point per 10 return yards"

Of course, he drafted Wes Welker and Josh Cribbs as his 2 starting WRs and Devin Hester as his DB. This is especially troublesome because we start 3 IDP players and 4 flex IDP.

I drafted all LBs for my flexes (Got a great lineup too), but Terrence McGhee is going to outscore them since he returns kicks. I had Adrian Wilson, but Ellis Hobbs is going to smoke him because he returns kicks.

What is the proper fix for this? I don't think it would make much of a difference if the return yards were reduced to 1:20 and it was WR/RB only, non-IDP, because only a few WRs who score TDs as WRs return a lot of kicks, but any DB that returns kicks automatically jumps to the front of the line in front of all IDPs.

Please answer poll. Thanks.

 

[elshagon]

Do you know the guy, or others in the league? Protest the change, demand a change. Sounds like he either changed the rules to his advantage after the draft began, or realized there was a mistake in the scoring and changed it. Either way it's BS. If it were a mistake the draft should have been halted immediately and a vote taken for it's resolution.

 

[kethnaab]

dont' know the guy, it was a "fleaflicker special", ie a throw-together league

Mid-draft, we were discussing it and I thought it might be okay if it was 1:20, but the IDP thing is huge. It makes an enormous difference

 

[Sinners]

Do you know the guy, or others in the league? Protest the change, demand a change. Sounds like he either changed the rules to his advantage after the draft began, or realized there was a mistake in the scoring and changed it. Either way it's BS. If it were a mistake the draft should have been halted immediately and a vote taken for it's resolution.

Where's the poll option that says find a new league cause your commish is either a cheater or he's stupid.

 

[fsufan]

so it begins

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

Bush league move IMO.

He decided to keep it secret until the very last moment, and his draft strategy clearly intended to take advantage of it.

1 pt/10 return yards is ridiculous.

 

[benm3218]

leave the league if he doesnt change it. not worth your time to play with a cheater.

 

[Wu-banger]

leave the league if he doesnt change it. not worth your time to play with a cheater.

If you have no real ties to the league (ie friends , coworks, family) or money invested I would bail on this league ASAP.It will only get worse from here to the end of the season.Do it know , plenty of time find another league and plenty of time for the Commish to find a sucker .

 

[BuckeyeArt]

It was reasonably innocent, I believe. About 16 minutes into the draft, he says something like "return yards count, be careful with your WRs and DBs"

Of course, he drafted Wes Welker and Josh Cribbs as his 2 starting WRs and Devin Hester as his DB. This is especially troublesome because we start 3 IDP players and 4 flex IDP.

I drafted all LBs for my flexes (Got a great lineup too), but Terrence McGhee is going to outscore them since he returns kicks. I had Adrian Wilson, but Ellis Hobbs is going to smoke him because he returns kicks.

You wrote this as if he had drafted 3 players before he made the announcement. What had he drafted prior to the change? That's all that really matters (as far as the effect on the scoring). It's hard for me to believe that 3 rounds went by in 16 minutes and that his 1st 3 players drafted were Welker, Cribbs, and Hester.

 

[Sweet Love]

Within the first 16 minutes you all got through three rounds?? Did he take Welker, Cribbs and Hester with his first three picks??

I am asking because if you were only 15 minutes into the draft (maybe through Round 2) everyone could have made adjustments or at least questioned the Commish...

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

It was reasonably innocent, I believe. About 16 minutes into the draft, he says something like "return yards count, be careful with your WRs and DBs"

Of course, he drafted Wes Welker and Josh Cribbs as his 2 starting WRs and Devin Hester as his DB. This is especially troublesome because we start 3 IDP players and 4 flex IDP.

I drafted all LBs for my flexes (Got a great lineup too), but Terrence McGhee is going to outscore them since he returns kicks. I had Adrian Wilson, but Ellis Hobbs is going to smoke him because he returns kicks.

You wrote this as if he had drafted 3 players before he made the announcement. What had he drafted prior to the change? That's all that really matters (as far as the effect on the scoring). It's hard for me to believe that 3 rounds went by in 16 minutes and that his 1st 3 players drafted were Welker, Cribbs, and Hester.

...And all of the other drafters had Return yard projections and a list of return men right in front of them and had factored that info into their rankings and draft position forecasts....1pt/10 yards is a seismic shift

 

[BuckeyeArt]

It was reasonably innocent, I believe. About 16 minutes into the draft, he says something like "return yards count, be careful with your WRs and DBs"

Of course, he drafted Wes Welker and Josh Cribbs as his 2 starting WRs and Devin Hester as his DB. This is especially troublesome because we start 3 IDP players and 4 flex IDP.

I drafted all LBs for my flexes (Got a great lineup too), but Terrence McGhee is going to outscore them since he returns kicks. I had Adrian Wilson, but Ellis Hobbs is going to smoke him because he returns kicks.

You wrote this as if he had drafted 3 players before he made the announcement. What had he drafted prior to the change? That's all that really matters (as far as the effect on the scoring). It's hard for me to believe that 3 rounds went by in 16 minutes and that his 1st 3 players drafted were Welker, Cribbs, and Hester.

...And all of the other drafters had Return yard projections and a list of return men right in front of them and had factored that info into their rankings and draft position forecasts....1pt/10 yards is a seismic shift

I'm not saying it isn't a big difference. It just looks like things weren't questioned until after the draft and and a team evaluation was done. The draft could have been halted at the 16 minute mark.

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

It was reasonably innocent, I believe. About 16 minutes into the draft, he says something like "return yards count, be careful with your WRs and DBs"

Of course, he drafted Wes Welker and Josh Cribbs as his 2 starting WRs and Devin Hester as his DB. This is especially troublesome because we start 3 IDP players and 4 flex IDP.

I drafted all LBs for my flexes (Got a great lineup too), but Terrence McGhee is going to outscore them since he returns kicks. I had Adrian Wilson, but Ellis Hobbs is going to smoke him because he returns kicks.

You wrote this as if he had drafted 3 players before he made the announcement. What had he drafted prior to the change? That's all that really matters (as far as the effect on the scoring). It's hard for me to believe that 3 rounds went by in 16 minutes and that his 1st 3 players drafted were Welker, Cribbs, and Hester.

...And all of the other drafters had Return yard projections and a list of return men right in front of them and had factored that info into their rankings and draft position forecasts....1pt/10 yards is a seismic shift

I'm not saying it isn't a big difference. It just looks like things weren't questioned until after the draft and and a team evaluation was done. The draft could have been halted at the 16 minute mark.

I agree with that...

 

[Pictus Cat]

Not suprised by the poll results.

I make it a point to ask the commish if all the scoring and other rules are set 24 hours before.

I also make it a point that I will expect my money back if I show up to the draft and they change.

I think 24 hours is a reasonable expectation of preperation time.

So other options are

Redraft

Money back

Disband league

Leave league

 

[phthalatemagic]

I thought the "right thing to do" options were ways to punish the commish. I see you haven't gotten that far yet

 

[Killer Bee]

With all the leagues available and with the time left between now and a lot of their drafts; I'd RUN from this league. Not knowing all the detail, it appears to me that the commissioner cheated to give himself an advantage. If, at the end of the day; he drafted based on a change he knew he wanted to invoke, and created a scenario where you would draft unaware of the change - this is a pretty black-and-white issue. He cheated, you (and other owners) got screwed, you all owe it to yourselves to tell the commish that if it's more important for him to change the rules to benefit one team and one team only - that maybe the league should consist of one team and one team only.

Get out and get yourself into another league that is fair, unbiased, and not run by the evil empire. Get yourself into a league that is fun and not already frustrating you and others fifteen minutes into the new season.

Frustrates me because it's commissioners like this, that give commissioners like me a bad reputation ...

 

[Christo]

Within the first 16 minutes you all got through three rounds?? Did he take Welker, Cribbs and Hester with his first three picks??I am asking because if you were only 15 minutes into the draft (maybe through Round 2) everyone could have made adjustments or at least questioned the Commish...

The point is that everyone prepared for the draft without the return yards. Could they adjust during the draft? Sure, but how competent could that adjustment be. Especially for owners without experience valuing players with return yards. If this was something the commish knew he was going to do before-hand, it was quite an advantage for him. Obviously, his WR picks were geared towards the new scoring system.As far as people questioning the adjustment, it's hard enough keeping track of the draft without having to argue over a last second rule change and try to make the adjustment.

 

[LionsFan78]

Not innocent, at all.

 

[Mene]

Myself, I'd leave this league right now. If he did this with giving himself an advantage in mind, ie... cheated... then you see what kind of character he has and I'd leave before he can cheat again when it matters even more.

If it was done out of ignorance, not considering the ramifications, he's certainly not someone I want running a league I'm in. A change like that has a dramatic effect on draft strategy, to think it was just a minor rule change shows a lack of comprehension.

Just my $.02

 

[GregR_2]

Was there a copy of league rules with the scoring system distributed before the draft that had the return yardage in it? If so then he's fixing an erroneous setting in the software and nothing wrong with that.

If he's adding a new rule that was never set beforehand or agreed to, then he shouldn't have done it.

 

[kethnaab]

the rules prior to the draft were very obvious and were published, there was no return yardage included

16 minutes into the draft, we were actually to the 9th round by then. When he mentioned it, no one paid attention to what he said as we were busy working the draft initially, but I checked and noticed that the league rules had changed (it said "1 minute ago" for the rule change time in the transaction log). So 1 minute before the 9th round of drafting. We all started #####ing at the time but it was an online draft.

We got him to lower the points:return yards to 1:20, but I'm thinking more than that should be done.

 

[renesauz]

Poll is flawed. The situation you're describing should have voided the draft, with a new commissioner chosen.

The change was huge, and to do so 8 rounds into the draft is inexcusable.

If it's a free league...simply leave it, but let everyone know why.

 

[FantasyTrader]

the rules prior to the draft were very obvious and were published, there was no return yardage included16 minutes into the draft, we were actually to the 9th round by then. When he mentioned it, no one paid attention to what he said as we were busy working the draft initially, but I checked and noticed that the league rules had changed (it said "1 minute ago" for the rule change time in the transaction log). So 1 minute before the 9th round of drafting. We all started #####ing at the time but it was an online draft.We got him to lower the points:return yards to 1:20, but I'm thinking more than that should be done.

Oh hell no! You were in the 9th round!? Then he basically said, "by the way, return yards matter - I'm changing the scoring now and I'm grabbing Cribbs". No way man. Run and run FAST from this league. By the way, how do you get to round 9 in 16 minutes!? That's like, a pick every 10 seconds. Regardless - I'd be willing to bet this isn't the last shady move by that commish. It's only the beginning.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

None of the above. I vote for quit the league ASAP.

 

[yellowdog]

Link to league homepage, and give us your password. Let us have some fun.

 

[tazinib1]

Link to league homepage, and give us your password. Let us have some fun.

 

[Londo]

<creepyvoice> geeettt ooouuuuttttt </creepyvoice>

 

[chris1969]

What? you didn't stand up in the middle of the draft and say "How many of the rest of you noticed that the commissioner changed the scoring during the draft!" You deserve to stay in a league with a commissioner you can't trust.

 

[gianmarco]

<creepyvoice> geeettt ooouuuuttttt </creepyvoice>

<Eddie Murphy voice> Too bad we can't stay, baby </Eddie Murphy voice>

 

[fsufan]

have not read all the thread so this might have been answered. have you asked the commish about it? if so what did he say.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

leave the league if he doesnt change it. not worth your time to play with a cheater.

concur.

 

[joffer]

leave.league.immediately

 

[Londo]

<creepyvoice> geeettt ooouuuuttttt </creepyvoice>

<Eddie Murphy voice> Too bad we can't stay, baby </Eddie Murphy voice>

I need to rewatch that. It has been too long.