Frank Black
Footballguy
Can Brooks be starter material on some team? If so, what team would he be a good fit with?
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Aaron Brooks: can he start somewhere? (1 Viewer)
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diesel7982
Footballguy
Minny would be my guess.
I think hed be a great fit in Miami also, but they seem to be focused elsewhere.
Brooks isnt a "great" QB, but hes still one of the better starters in the league, despite his flaws in judgement.
I think hed be a great fit in Miami also, but they seem to be focused elsewhere.
Brooks isnt a "great" QB, but hes still one of the better starters in the league, despite his flaws in judgement.
DoctorDetroit
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Boston
Footballguy
The issue with Brooks isn't physical. He has some really nice skills. Also, if you've seen him live you notice pretty quickly that he's a good sized kid who can take a hit. The issue with Brooks is between the ears. I'm not sure if it's because he's not too bright or has been playing for a bad coach (or both) but he's still making rookie mistakes that absolutely kill a team. He's like a goalie who lets up the easy goal and deflates his team. Combine that with what appears to be a lack of leadership skills and you have a QB that will drive you nuts. I think he can start but I'm not sure he can really make a team successful. For that to happen I believe his next coach will really have to get thru to him and take his game to the next level. Whether that can happen is a big question mark but I'm sure someone will give him an opportunity.
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
The Winnepeg Blue Bombers perhaps.
He can't start for Minny. Brad Johnson almost led that team to the playoffs last year.
He can't start for Minny. Brad Johnson almost led that team to the playoffs last year.
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
I am in the minority on Brooks. I think he has very good physical tools and is still very young. he has been on a poor team with a poor coach and needs some tutoring, but is already decent and could develop very well. I am a Miami fan and if Culpy (1) or Brees (2) can't be had, I would be very happy signing brooks for a reasonable contract as it would be a big improvement. I think of Brooks as Jake Plummer with an advantage of more height.From a Raider fan, I still see Brooks or Griese.
Kub
Footballguy
Count me as another Raider fan who thinks that'll be his landing spot. Al will watch tape of him throwing some pretty deep passes and fall in love. Truth be told, he might not be a bad fit. Brooks' skill set is actually fairly similar to Culpepper's, as both have great physical tools and, at best, questionable decision making/leadership skills.
I'd rather have Brooks than give up a 3rd rounder for Culpepper and his nonsense(wanting his already overinflated contract reworked).
I'd rather have Brooks than give up a 3rd rounder for Culpepper and his nonsense(wanting his already overinflated contract reworked).
stanmarino13
Footballguy
Id rather have Kevin Glenn for my Bombers thank u very much
ChampBailey24
Footballguy
I'd love to see him sign with the Alouettes.
Texasmouth
Footballguy
Brooks has talent and ability but he can't read defenses very well and he makes poor decisions. That being said, I think with the right coaching he could be a very effective QB. The best place for him to be would be.......New Orleans. Sean Payton's known for his ability to get the most out of QBs. Too bad the Saints are done with Brooks, I think he could have made some strides with Payton there. Especially if they went ahead and brought in a rookie QB.
Right now it looks like Brooks may end up fighting for a job somewhere, most likely coming in as the back up and fighting for a starting job.
I doubt Baltimore is even in the running, they all ready have the poor man's Brooks in Anthony Wright and the old man Brooks in Kordell Stewart.
Oakland intrigues me but with Brooks they will be no better than 5-11, just my opinion, but I dont think he is much of an upgrade over Collins.
Miami could still end up with Brooks if they don't trust Brees or if New Orleans signs him first. Brooks in Miami is a much better situation than Oakland because they won't have to rely on him to win the games for them. The Dolphins were almost a playoff team and division winner last year with Frerotte as the QB, Brooks is an upgrade over him by far!
Right now it looks like Brooks may end up fighting for a job somewhere, most likely coming in as the back up and fighting for a starting job.
I doubt Baltimore is even in the running, they all ready have the poor man's Brooks in Anthony Wright and the old man Brooks in Kordell Stewart.
Oakland intrigues me but with Brooks they will be no better than 5-11, just my opinion, but I dont think he is much of an upgrade over Collins.
Miami could still end up with Brooks if they don't trust Brees or if New Orleans signs him first. Brooks in Miami is a much better situation than Oakland because they won't have to rely on him to win the games for them. The Dolphins were almost a playoff team and division winner last year with Frerotte as the QB, Brooks is an upgrade over him by far!
Texasmouth
Footballguy
I think he is an effective QB and if he were to land in the right system he could do well but making the pro bowl is a bit of a stretch.......
Traders2001
Footballguy
Why do you need to ask ..........................
You have your answer , he could not start in New Orleans for years , why would he now be able to be a starter in this league.
You have your answer , he could not start in New Orleans for years , why would he now be able to be a starter in this league.
Traders2001
Footballguy
Also agree with you , you will see in a few years when Culpepper carreer will be over ( cause he is not talented enough to play in the NFL , and mostly he has no brain ) he is lucky he got Moss as a gift because without Moss he would not have lasted long as a starter in the NFL.Get rid of this loser while you can .
Brooks is nt a great QB but still he is one not Daunte . ( Daunte is just a big fat monkey )
Texasmouth
Footballguy
I am not sold on Culpepper ever returning to his 2004 form. That knee injury is really nasty, especially for a big guy like him. If I were the Raiders, I would take a chance on the Walters guy they drafted. This team is no good anyway, mine as well look towards the future. Maybe Walters is a good QB?
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
I hope you are not being sarcastic. Brooks is underrated in my books.Has he made some ridiculously dumb QB decisions in the NFL? Yes. But he is capable of being a good starting QB in the NFL and he is at this point in his career he is by far just as good if not better than the average NFL QB.
Ok, I know stats are not everything but from 2001-2004 before this past season Brooks was well above the average NFL QB and here are some stats to defend him; remember this is a 4 year average........
-14, 760 passing yards which works out to 3690 passing yards a season for those 4 years.
* this year only 7 QB's threw for more then 3690 yards. P. Manning had 3747 yards this season being the 7th guy. Remember 3690 was the 4 year average for Brooks. *
-threw for 98 TD's: works out to 24.5 TD's a season in those 4 years.
*only 3 QB's threw for more then 24 TD's this season: Manning, Palmer and Brady and Brooks averaged over 24 a game for those 4 years and it was not because he had one big year his highest output was 27 and his low was 21, therefore showing consistency*
-he had 1210 completions for an average of 302.5 completions per year in those 4 years
* only 6 Qb's this year had over 302 completions and remember this was a 4 year average for Brooks.*
-he ran for 959 yards for an average of 239.75 yards per season and had
9 rushing TD's in those years which is just over 2 per season.
*only 2 QB's ran for over 200 yards this season with Vick being one of them.
In 2001 through to 2004 Brooks did not miss a start. He was part of a good offensive team. He lead his team to a 32 and 32 record over those 4 years. That is not great but that definitely shows productivity. It's not as if NO had an ubeliveable amount of talent in those 4 years. Brooks is so underrated. Although inconsisitent at times I can't think of a player more hated. He has been the scape goat for far a sub par team and may flourish in another situation. He has a big arm and is mobile. For someone who just left his 20's this past month as he turned 30 I can't think of someone more hated for actually not being that bad. Many teams would love a QB with the numbers Brook put up over that 4 year span to go along with a .500 record as the teams starting qb.
Texasmouth
Footballguy
I think a lot of the problems with Brooks were coaching related as well. As I stated above, it is too bad he wasn't united with Sean Payton earlier in his career. Now that he has that chance they cut him......
Napoleon Dynamite
Footballguy
Brooks doesn't seem to have a "winner's" mentality. He doesn't seem hungry... you could really tell he didn't want to be in NO last year.
With the right coaching/situation this could all change... I really hope he goes to a team where the coach will stand up to him and show some tough love.
Books has the talent to start and be a winner, he just doesn't have the attitude to get there.
I am sure a number of teams will be ready to jump all over him once he gets released.
After Brees and Cpep there are not really many great options for a team that needs a QB.
With the right coaching/situation this could all change... I really hope he goes to a team where the coach will stand up to him and show some tough love.
Books has the talent to start and be a winner, he just doesn't have the attitude to get there.
I am sure a number of teams will be ready to jump all over him once he gets released.
After Brees and Cpep there are not really many great options for a team that needs a QB.
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
Nice post, although it would be fair to post his INT's as well. People look at Brooks and they say things like "he makes dumb decisions" or "he doesn't know how to win" and they are just neing objective.
Has he made some ridiculously dumb QB decisions in the NFL? Yes. But he is capable of being a good starting QB in the NFL and he is at this point in his career he is by far just as good if not better than the average NFL QB.
Ok, I know stats are not everything but from 2001-2004 before this past season Brooks was well above the average NFL QB and here are some stats to defend him; remember this is a 4 year average........
-14, 760 passing yards which works out to 3690 passing yards a season for those 4 years.
* this year only 7 QB's threw for more then 3690 yards. P. Manning had 3747 yards this season being the 7th guy. Remember 3690 was the 4 year average for Brooks. *
-threw for 98 TD's: works out to 24.5 TD's a season in those 4 years.
*only 3 QB's threw for more then 24 TD's this season: Manning, Palmer and Brady and Brooks averaged over 24 a game for those 4 years and it was not because he had one big year his highest output was 27 and his low was 21, therefore showing consistency*
-he had 1210 completions for an average of 302.5 completions per year in those 4 years
* only 6 Qb's this year had over 302 completions and remember this was a 4 year average for Brooks.*
-he ran for 959 yards for an average of 239.75 yards per season and had
9 rushing TD's in those years which is just over 2 per season.
*only 2 QB's ran for over 200 yards this season with Vick being one of them.
In 2001 through to 2004 Brooks did not miss a start. He was part of a good offensive team. He lead his team to a 32 and 32 record over those 4 years. That is not great but that definitely shows productivity. It's not as if NO had an ubeliveable amount of talent in those 4 years. Brooks is so underrated. Although inconsisitent at times I can't think of a player more hated. He has been the scape goat for far a sub par team and may flourish in another situation. He has a big arm and is mobile. For someone who just left his 20's this past month as he turned 30 I can't think of someone more hated for actually not being that bad. Many teams would love a QB with the numbers Brook put up over that 4 year span to go along with a .500 record as the teams starting qb.
Yes, Brooks make dumb decisions maybe even at a slightly higher rate than other QB's, but people get this impression because of highlights they say when a desparate QB is trying to bring his weak team back with no coaching help. What QB doesn't make stupid decisions? Favre is the king of bonehead plays, but when your team wins more, people forget the stupid plays. Even Brady threw a pick at the goal line that was taken back 100+ yards to cost them a playoff game. The year before he made a stupid pick to help the Dolphins win. Point isn't to criticize Brady or Favre it is to point out when things aren't going well on the football team, your QB will tend to press more and mistakes happen...to all of them. I think Brooks is an above average QB and with some better coaching help could be a top 10 guy. I am pretty sure he will be a very good value for whatever team gets him.
cstu
Footballguy
There have been a lot of QB's who have changed overnight after switching teams. NO has been a terribly run organization and have done very little since they stupidly fired Randy Mueller (one of the best talent evaluators in the NFL). Here's what he did while with the Saints:http://bremertonians.blogspot.com/2005/01/...dy-mueller.html
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UnknownCoach
Footballguy
I hope we end up seeing Brooks go to the loser of Kerry Collins... either Oakland or Baltimore. I actually like Brooks a little better than Collins. However, neither team so far as expressed interest in Brooks. Both are pursuing Collins.
Either way, these are the two top deep ball QBs in the current market IMO. Brees is smarter and more accurate with the shorter passes but he's short, injured, and mediocre going deep. Culpepper is likely off the market. To be honest, Ramsey could be a solid sleeper but he's still mainly a project in the making. I consider Kitna on the weak side as an NFL starter.
Boller is worse than all of those. Tuaisosopa has choked badly on stage, proving he's no answer. Walter is a pure project. I think we'll see Collins then either Brooks or Ramsey on these two teams.
Either way, these are the two top deep ball QBs in the current market IMO. Brees is smarter and more accurate with the shorter passes but he's short, injured, and mediocre going deep. Culpepper is likely off the market. To be honest, Ramsey could be a solid sleeper but he's still mainly a project in the making. I consider Kitna on the weak side as an NFL starter.
Boller is worse than all of those. Tuaisosopa has choked badly on stage, proving he's no answer. Walter is a pure project. I think we'll see Collins then either Brooks or Ramsey on these two teams.
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
Brooks to Oakland is an up grade in comparison to Collins. Brooks is much more agile than Collins and can bye more time to allow Moss to get open down field. Brooks is also 4 years younger and has a knack for being able to throw TD's. Collins highest TD output in 11 years is 22 TD's back in 2000. And like posted above Brooks averaged 24.5 TD's a year from 2001-2004.
DaWidowMaker
Footballguy
If Kyle Boller/Kerry Collins are starters in the NFL than so can Aaron Brooks
perry147
Footballguy
Kyle Boller > Aaron BrooksKerry Collins >Aaron Brooks
David Carr > Aaron Brooks
Aaron Brooks is horrible - he plays like a rookie and he has been in the league for years. He has a pro bowl WR in Horn and still stinks. What else does the guy need to do in order to be classified as a failure?
Frank Black
Footballguy
How can someone be such a dismal failure, despite having a terrible coach, and despite being a top 10 FF QB for a respectable number of years? How can you be so sure?
perry147
Footballguy
I watch the saints play a lot; he has never taken a leadership role and has never shown the ability to overcome adversity. The key to beating Brooks always was to sack him early if you did that he would play poorly the rest of the game.From an FF prospective he is way to inconsistent to be relied upon as an every week starter. From an excellent example of this look at last year; a lot of people started him after he played an incredible game early last season, and the following week against a far inferior defense he was horrible.
saintfool
Dead sexy
I watch the Saints every week for something like 20 years now. Brooks is certainly better than Collins, Boller and what I've seen of Carr. He does have leadership skills, I think, but really was never asked to be "that guy" by anyone other than the fans. Players like Joe Horn overhshadowed him, assuming the face of the Saints. As for his inability to handle adversity, that's just wrong. True to form, the Saints would give up the lead early, fall behind and only come to life late in the game. He made lots of 4Q comebacks, like 17 or so, in his Saints tenure. I can't begin to tell you how frustrating the game calling was over the years, which included remodelling Brooks into a pocket QB instead of playing to his obvious strengths (which aren't as a pocket passer). Has he regressed? Likely. Can his career be turned around? Certainly. He's in his physical prime. He's experienced. He will have something to prove to himself and others. He can be a bargain and asset to the right team. Trust me, as a long-time Saints fan, I can tell you I fully expect Brooks to be Pro-Bowl material out of spite to the Saints fans and organization.
Frank Black
Footballguy
With the numerous QBs that have turned a less than impressive career around, with a change of coaches or teams, I don't see how Brooks is so much worse than those QBs that he can't turn it around.
nygiants56
Footballguy
lifetime 2:1 td/int ratio is good..the guy is solid..not sure Haslett and McCarthy had a clue how to use him..not sure Haslett had a clue,period..
this guy can play..given a shot on another team I think he'd flourish..
he's better than many other qb's out there...grossman, leftwhich, phil rivers, losman, pennington, collins,boller, ramsey,brunell , up until 2 years ago we'd say Brees too, carr,harrington, et al..
heck,even plummer took 10 years to become a pro bowler..
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Local (New Orleans) draft "expert" Mike Detillier said this morning he hears Favre is retiring at the end of the month, and speculates AB will go to GB with McCarthy.
And he says any talk of the Saints grabbing the DE(who he compares favorably to Peppers) with the no. 2 is smokescreen...Thinks they will trade to highest bidder
And he says any talk of the Saints grabbing the DE(who he compares favorably to Peppers) with the no. 2 is smokescreen...Thinks they will trade to highest bidder
Napoleon Dynamite
Footballguy
Why hasn't Brooks been released yet? Are they just trying to make sure all the FA money is taken before releasing him (aka Moulds)??? Are there some cap issues I am not aware of?
For every day that Brooks is a Saint, the chances of him being a starter go down.
For every day that Brooks is a Saint, the chances of him being a starter go down.
