Aaron Hernandez current dynasty value (1 Viewer)

[Anarchy99]

Vick is nothing like this and please spare the crap about people being emotional about their dogs. We are talking the murder of a human being here. Vick got charged with running an interstate dog ring and in the public eye his crime was cruelty to animals. I'm sorry folks but that is not even in the same discussion as first degree murder and trying to conclude that they are is reaching for straws.

Sadly, I think there are people that would be more offended if someone were to harm their cuddly pets than if some semi-pro guy got murdered.

 

[menobrown]

Vick is nothing like this and please spare the crap about people being emotional about their dogs. We are talking the murder of a human being here. Vick got charged with running an interstate dog ring and in the public eye his crime was cruelty to animals. I'm sorry folks but that is not even in the same discussion as first degree murder and trying to conclude that they are is reaching for straws.

Sadly, I think there are people that would be more offended if someone were to harm their cuddly pets than if some semi-pro guy got murdered.

This is not about people being more offended or a social commentary on the sadness of humanity. Please people stop. This is murder. IT'S NOT THE SAME THING!

 

[jurb26]

Vick is nothing like this and please spare the crap about people being emotional about their dogs. We are talking the murder of a human being here. Vick got charged with running an interstate dog ring and in the public eye his crime was cruelty to animals. I'm sorry folks but that is not even in the same discussion as first degree murder and trying to conclude that they are is reaching for straws.

Sadly, I think there are people that would be more offended if someone were to harm their cuddly pets than if some semi-pro guy got murdered.

It doesn't really matter what a few extremist animal activist think. The law and society in general greatly disagree. 1st degree murder is in another realm from dog fighting and dog fighting rings, ect. These situations are worlds apart. Trying to link them is just silly. About the only similarity is that they will both land you in jail.

 

[Bruce Hammond]

The only comp for murder is murder, and he was charged with 1st degree at that. Vick is not a comparison, and to try to do so based on other factors is completely missing where the emphasis - the sole emphasis - needs to be placed in order to "value" Hernandez.

 

[Anarchy99]

Vick is nothing like this and please spare the crap about people being emotional about their dogs. We are talking the murder of a human being here. Vick got charged with running an interstate dog ring and in the public eye his crime was cruelty to animals. I'm sorry folks but that is not even in the same discussion as first degree murder and trying to conclude that they are is reaching for straws.

Sadly, I think there are people that would be more offended if someone were to harm their cuddly pets than if some semi-pro guy got murdered.

It doesn't really matter what a few extremist animal activist think. The law and society in general greatly disagree. 1st degree murder is in another realm from dog fighting and dog fighting rings, ect. These situations are worlds apart. Trying to link them is just silly. About the only similarity is that they will both land you in jail.

I know people . . . like real life, actual people, not activists . . . who still rant and rave about what Vick did and who could care less about some black semi-pro football player that was potentially hanging out with a gangbanger and ended up dead. I don't agree with them, but there are people out there that will care more about their pets than a dead guy (as crazy as that sounds).

 

[Ron_Mexico]

No worries Adam. Things could have gone differently. Situation is still fluid, but more like molasses than water. Thinking back to the Michael Vick scenario, no one thought he would have gotten another chance and he did. You can't be blamed for holding out on judgement until more evidence came to light. Some guys guessed correctly, some guys guessed wrong. No one KNEW anything.

And of course he hasn't been convicted yet, but it looks bad.

Michael Vick has absolutely ZERO to do with Aaron Hernandez. No valid comparisons can be made between the two.

I disagree. Obviously the nature of their crime is very different, but both were star players facing serious allegations that carried hefty penalties. Both were facing the possibility of a lengthy, perhaps even lifetime, suspension from the league (and yes, there was a lot of talk of giving Vick a lifetime ban).

Vick's crimes didn't carry as big of a maximum sentence as Hernandez's potential crimes (obviously this depends on what he eventually gets charged with), but Vick was facing indictment by the feds, who essentially have a 100% conviction rate, so Hernandez's chances of drawing a "not guilty" verdict and getting off with nothing are substantially higher than Vick's were.

Carruth's crime was more similar than Vick's, but Vick is a much closer comp in terms of talent, which is important because teams will risk more if there's enough talent involved.

Obviously situations like these are so unique and unprecedented that there really aren't any great comps, but I think there is insight to be gained from the Michael Vick comparison.

Respectfully disagree, running a dog fighting ring and whacking dogs, is not in the same galaxy as shooting a man 5 times at point blank range and ending his life.

It's a ridiculous stretch to try to link these two.

 

[humpback]

Vick is nothing like this and please spare the crap about people being emotional about their dogs. We are talking the murder of a human being here. Vick got charged with running an interstate dog ring and in the public eye his crime was cruelty to animals. I'm sorry folks but that is not even in the same discussion as first degree murder and trying to conclude that they are is reaching for straws.

Sadly, I think there are people that would be more offended if someone were to harm their cuddly pets than if some semi-pro guy got murdered.

It doesn't really matter what a few extremist animal activist think. The law and society in general greatly disagree. 1st degree murder is in another realm from dog fighting and dog fighting rings, ect. These situations are worlds apart. Trying to link them is just silly. About the only similarity is that they will both land you in jail.

I know people . . . like real life, actual people, not activists . . . who still rant and rave about what Vick did and who could care less about some black semi-pro football player that was potentially hanging out with a gangbanger and ended up dead. I don't agree with them, but there are people out there that will care more about their pets than a dead guy (as crazy as that sounds).

I'm sure they're out there, but that doesn't change his point- the law and society in general disagree with that small minority of people.

 

[KCitons]

What do you guys think of trading for AH in a salary cap league where the owner is going to be burdened with the cap penalty.

If you have cap space and could offer a 5th round pick for AH and a 2nd rounder would you do it?

Our league takes the entire cap hit in the year the player is cut, but the penalty is 50% of salary X number of years left on contract.

Essentially, I would lose nearly $20k of my cap (=10% of total cap) this year and 5th, in return I would get a 2nd round pick and just drop AH.

 

[Tool]

What do you guys think of trading for AH in a salary cap league where the owner is going to be burdened with the cap penalty.

If you have cap space and could offer a 5th round pick for AH and a 2nd rounder would you do it?

Our league takes the entire cap hit in the year the player is cut, but the penalty is 50% of salary X number of years left on contract.

Essentially, I would lose nearly $20k of my cap (=10% of total cap) this year and 5th, in return I would get a 2nd round pick and just drop AH.

I'd trade for him in a dynasty league if i could. His value will never be lower. He may be out of prison in 10 years if he gets paroled. He'll only be 33 at that time and if he stays in shape could have 2 or 3 productive seasons.

 

[Donsmith753]

What do you guys think of trading for AH in a salary cap league where the owner is going to be burdened with the cap penalty.

If you have cap space and could offer a 5th round pick for AH and a 2nd rounder would you do it?

Our league takes the entire cap hit in the year the player is cut, but the penalty is 50% of salary X number of years left on contract.

Essentially, I would lose nearly $20k of my cap (=10% of total cap) this year and 5th, in return I would get a 2nd round pick and just drop AH.

See my post above, I'm exploring the same thing.

 

[KCitons]

What do you guys think of trading for AH in a salary cap league where the owner is going to be burdened with the cap penalty.

If you have cap space and could offer a 5th round pick for AH and a 2nd rounder would you do it?

Our league takes the entire cap hit in the year the player is cut, but the penalty is 50% of salary X number of years left on contract.

Essentially, I would lose nearly $20k of my cap (=10% of total cap) this year and 5th, in return I would get a 2nd round pick and just drop AH.

See my post above, I'm exploring the same thing.

oops, sorry. I went back one page and started reading.

 

[Donsmith753]

What do you guys think of trading for AH in a salary cap league where the owner is going to be burdened with the cap penalty.

If you have cap space and could offer a 5th round pick for AH and a 2nd rounder would you do it?

Our league takes the entire cap hit in the year the player is cut, but the penalty is 50% of salary X number of years left on contract.

Essentially, I would lose nearly $20k of my cap (=10% of total cap) this year and 5th, in return I would get a 2nd round pick and just drop AH.

See my post above, I'm exploring the same thing.

oops, sorry. I went back one page and started reading.

FWIW he rejected. It's certainly a good move if you can take the hit though.

 

[coolnerd]

What do you guys think of trading for AH in a salary cap league where the owner is going to be burdened with the cap penalty.

If you have cap space and could offer a 5th round pick for AH and a 2nd rounder would you do it?

Our league takes the entire cap hit in the year the player is cut, but the penalty is 50% of salary X number of years left on contract.

Essentially, I would lose nearly $20k of my cap (=10% of total cap) this year and 5th, in return I would get a 2nd round pick and just drop AH.

I'd trade for him in a dynasty league if i could. His value will never be lower. He may be out of prison in 10 years if he gets paroled. He'll only be 33 at that time and if he stays in shape could have 2 or 3 productive seasons.

Nobody is going to hold onto a guy 10 years on the off chance that he gets paroled and some team would touch him. There will be fantasy football owners who will hold to see if he is found "not guilty" for a couple of years, but any suggestion beyond that is just silliness.

 

[PatsWillWin]

I see Adam Harstad writing really long posts in this thread, and I'm confused as to why, but also not really interested in reading all of the words.

Hernandez is going to prison for murder. He is not worth a roster spot. Yes, speaking purely mathematically, there's a non-zero % chance he is acquitted. The accomplices that are obviously talking to police may die of heart attacks or brain aneurysms and Hernandez made be able to wiggle out of the other evidence against him enough to plead down from 1st degree murder.

But let's just take a step back and be realistic.

If you want to hold a roster spot on him long enough to watch the trial unfold (if there is one, I doubt it, personally) then have fun. But anyone who keeps Hernandez over even a moderately intriguing waiver wire player is fooling themselves.

 

[PatsWillWin]

What do you guys think of trading for AH in a salary cap league where the owner is going to be burdened with the cap penalty.

If you have cap space and could offer a 5th round pick for AH and a 2nd rounder would you do it?

Our league takes the entire cap hit in the year the player is cut, but the penalty is 50% of salary X number of years left on contract.

Essentially, I would lose nearly $20k of my cap (=10% of total cap) this year and 5th, in return I would get a 2nd round pick and just drop AH.

I'd trade for him in a dynasty league if i could. His value will never be lower. He may be out of prison in 10 years if he gets paroled. He'll only be 33 at that time and if he stays in shape could have 2 or 3 productive seasons.

One of the rare posts where it's funny even if it's not fishing, but also if it is.

 

[dickey moe]

What do you guys think of trading for AH in a salary cap league where the owner is going to be burdened with the cap penalty.

If you have cap space and could offer a 5th round pick for AH and a 2nd rounder would you do it?

Our league takes the entire cap hit in the year the player is cut, but the penalty is 50% of salary X number of years left on contract.

Essentially, I would lose nearly $20k of my cap (=10% of total cap) this year and 5th, in return I would get a 2nd round pick and just drop AH.

I'd trade for him in a dynasty league if i could. His value will never be lower. He may be out of prison in 10 years if he gets paroled. He'll only be 33 at that time and if he stays in shape could have 2 or 3 productive seasons.

Your league is more likely to become defunct than Hernandez is likely to be released from prison in 10 years.

 

[DropKick]

I think his value is zero. Negative if you hold out hope and it costs you a roster spot.

Everything coming out about his behavior screams guilt. I'd be surprised if NE didn't cut ties at some point in the near future.

Zero??? Everything coming out screams "involved", however I am more than happy to have a murderer on my fantasy team that was acquitted if he is going to produce for me.

So, if he is actually FOUND GUILTY then yeah, cut him or whatever. Until then, I am a bigtime buyer at "zero value"

Involved = Guilty. Your loss.

His only hope is our defective legal system, so I'll admit - he has a chance.

He can be on your fantasy team. But, in real life, where will he be? It doesn't get worse than murder. NFL teams have a brand to protect. And an execution style killing of a friend/acquaintance who Hernandez is closely linked to at/around the slaying? Throw in the erratic behavior, lack of cooperation with authorities, cleaning of his house, destruction of his cell phone and home surveillance system...

If it looks, walks and quacks like a thug... It's a thug. I expect more damning information will come out in the next few weeks.

Max penalty for First Degree Murder in Massachusetts is life without parole.

Sounds like pretty damning evidence to me and he has done NOTHING that would suggest innocence.

IF he can get past the judicial system and IF he can get past the NFL punishments and IF an NFL team would touch him an IF he can stay in shape and IF he could stay healthy, then maybe he'll be valuable someday... My money is on Barry Sanders coming out of retirement.

Sorry "ghost guy", but I think you bought high.

 

[Tool]

What do you guys think of trading for AH in a salary cap league where the owner is going to be burdened with the cap penalty.

If you have cap space and could offer a 5th round pick for AH and a 2nd rounder would you do it?

Our league takes the entire cap hit in the year the player is cut, but the penalty is 50% of salary X number of years left on contract.

Essentially, I would lose nearly $20k of my cap (=10% of total cap) this year and 5th, in return I would get a 2nd round pick and just drop AH.

I'd trade for him in a dynasty league if i could. His value will never be lower. He may be out of prison in 10 years if he gets paroled. He'll only be 33 at that time and if he stays in shape could have 2 or 3 productive seasons.

Your league is more likely to become defunct than Hernandez is likely to be released from prison in 10 years.

Not likely. Our league's been in existence since the early 90's.

 

[EBF]

I see Adam Harstad writing really long posts in this thread, and I'm confused as to why, but also not really interested in reading all of the words.

Hernandez is going to prison for murder. He is not worth a roster spot. Yes, speaking purely mathematically, there's a non-zero % chance he is acquitted. The accomplices that are obviously talking to police may die of heart attacks or brain aneurysms and Hernandez made be able to wiggle out of the other evidence against him enough to plead down from 1st degree murder.

But let's just take a step back and be realistic.

If you want to hold a roster spot on him long enough to watch the trial unfold (if there is one, I doubt it, personally) then have fun. But anyone who keeps Hernandez over even a moderately intriguing waiver wire player is fooling themselves.

Yea, I was wrong when I said he has zero dynasty value.

He has negative value. You could be using that roster spot on a player who won't be behind bars for the next 5-50 years.

It's a crappy thing for Hernandez owners. Even if you knew he was a thug, you never could've expected this. FF is a cruel game though and sometimes a player you're counting on disintegrates.

 

[flapgreen]

TRADE HIM!!!11!

 

[flapgreen]

What do you guys think of trading for AH in a salary cap league where the owner is going to be burdened with the cap penalty.

If you have cap space and could offer a 5th round pick for AH and a 2nd rounder would you do it?

Our league takes the entire cap hit in the year the player is cut, but the penalty is 50% of salary X number of years left on contract.

Essentially, I would lose nearly $20k of my cap (=10% of total cap) this year and 5th, in return I would get a 2nd round pick and just drop AH.

I'd trade for him in a dynasty league if i could. His value will never be lower. He may be out of prison in 10 years if he gets paroled. He'll only be 33 at that time and if he stays in shape could have 2 or 3 productive seasons.

lol

 

[Adam Harstad]

Adam - no sweat - its a fluid situation.

Having said that, you may want to re-evaluate your rankings a third time in light of the info presented by the DA at the arraignment. I still don't see any way he ever plays in the NFL again.

Sure. Classic bayesian inference: the probability estimates of a hypothesis are constantly updated in the face of new information. If Hernandez gets the book thrown at him, my opinion on his chances of ever playing again go down. If he doesn't, they go up.

I believe the book has already been tossed, at a high rate of speed.... and there will no doubt be many more chapters when this thing goes to trial.

I didn't see at the time of my post that he'd already been arraigned, I was thinking Sinn was saying the arraignment was still forthcoming. He's getting charged as the guy who actually pulled the trigger, which means he's toast. Done. Also means I wasted several hours on him today that I could have put to much more productive use, such as cutting my lawn by hand with a pair of scissors or cleaning my floors with a toothbrush. Pretty much anything. What a waste.

 

[jmo87usc]

No worries Adam. Things could have gone differently. Situation is still fluid, but more like molasses than water. Thinking back to the Michael Vick scenario, no one thought he would have gotten another chance and he did. You can't be blamed for holding out on judgement until more evidence came to light. Some guys guessed correctly, some guys guessed wrong. No one KNEW anything.

And of course he hasn't been convicted yet, but it looks bad.

Michael Vick has absolutely ZERO to do with Aaron Hernandez. No valid comparisons can be made between the two.

I disagree. Obviously the nature of their crime is very different, but both were star players facing serious allegations that carried hefty penalties. Both were facing the possibility of a lengthy, perhaps even lifetime, suspension from the league (and yes, there was a lot of talk of giving Vick a lifetime ban).

Vick's crimes didn't carry as big of a maximum sentence as Hernandez's potential crimes (obviously this depends on what he eventually gets charged with), but Vick was facing indictment by the feds, who essentially have a 100% conviction rate, so Hernandez's chances of drawing a "not guilty" verdict and getting off with nothing are substantially higher than Vick's were.

Carruth's crime was more similar than Vick's, but Vick is a much closer comp in terms of talent, which is important because teams will risk more if there's enough talent involved.

Obviously situations like these are so unique and unprecedented that there really aren't any great comps, but I think there is insight to be gained from the Michael Vick comparison.

Respectfully disagree, running a dog fighting ring and whacking dogs, is not in the same galaxy as shooting a man 5 times at point blank range and ending his life.

It's a ridiculous stretch to try to link these two.

Says the guy with the Ron Mexico screen name. Big surprise

Nobody is saying that murdering a human being is equal to running a dog fighting ring. My only point is that things aren't always as they seem. Yes, Hernandez is most likely finished in the NFL. We get it. I'm just thinking back to all the stories in the past where players were dropped or traded away and later had value again. Use any example you want...Ricky Williams, Michael Vick, Cedric Benson. Even Peyton Manning was traded at low value after his neck injury.

Not saying any of it is equivalent to murder. Hernandez is most likely the biggest piece of dog$h** that has ever played in the NFL, but guys that are swearing he has zero value forever might be wrong 4 years from now. I respect that Adam had the balls to keep an open mind until Hernandez was charged. Obviously in hindsight it was wrong, but if Hernandez was only charged with obstruction today things would look different.

 

[coolnerd]

What do you guys think of trading for AH in a salary cap league where the owner is going to be burdened with the cap penalty.

If you have cap space and could offer a 5th round pick for AH and a 2nd rounder would you do it?

Our league takes the entire cap hit in the year the player is cut, but the penalty is 50% of salary X number of years left on contract.

Essentially, I would lose nearly $20k of my cap (=10% of total cap) this year and 5th, in return I would get a 2nd round pick and just drop AH.

I'd trade for him in a dynasty league if i could. His value will never be lower. He may be out of prison in 10 years if he gets paroled. He'll only be 33 at that time and if he stays in shape could have 2 or 3 productive seasons.

Your league is more likely to become defunct than Hernandez is likely to be released from prison in 10 years.

Not likely. Our league's been in existence since the early 90's.

the longer your league has been alive makes his point stronger not weaker.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

No worries Adam. Things could have gone differently. Situation is still fluid, but more like molasses than water. Thinking back to the Michael Vick scenario, no one thought he would have gotten another chance and he did. You can't be blamed for holding out on judgement until more evidence came to light. Some guys guessed correctly, some guys guessed wrong. No one KNEW anything.

And of course he hasn't been convicted yet, but it looks bad.

Michael Vick has absolutely ZERO to do with Aaron Hernandez. No valid comparisons can be made between the two.

I disagree. Obviously the nature of their crime is very different, but both were star players facing serious allegations that carried hefty penalties. Both were facing the possibility of a lengthy, perhaps even lifetime, suspension from the league (and yes, there was a lot of talk of giving Vick a lifetime ban).

Vick's crimes didn't carry as big of a maximum sentence as Hernandez's potential crimes (obviously this depends on what he eventually gets charged with), but Vick was facing indictment by the feds, who essentially have a 100% conviction rate, so Hernandez's chances of drawing a "not guilty" verdict and getting off with nothing are substantially higher than Vick's were.

Carruth's crime was more similar than Vick's, but Vick is a much closer comp in terms of talent, which is important because teams will risk more if there's enough talent involved.

Obviously situations like these are so unique and unprecedented that there really aren't any great comps, but I think there is insight to be gained from the Michael Vick comparison.

Respectfully disagree, running a dog fighting ring and whacking dogs, is not in the same galaxy as shooting a man 5 times at point blank range and ending his life.

It's a ridiculous stretch to try to link these two.

Says the guy with the Ron Mexico screen name. Big surprise

Nobody is saying that murdering a human being is equal to running a dog fighting ring. My only point is that things aren't always as they seem. Yes, Hernandez is most likely finished in the NFL. We get it. I'm just thinking back to all the stories in the past where players were dropped or traded away and later had value again. Use any example you want...Ricky Williams, Michael Vick, Cedric Benson. Even Peyton Manning was traded at low value after his neck injury.

Not saying any of it is equivalent to murder. Hernandez is most likely the biggest piece of dog$h** that has ever played in the NFL, but guys that are swearing he has zero value forever might be wrong 4 years from now. I respect that Adam had the balls to keep an open mind until Hernandez was charged. Obviously in hindsight it was wrong, but if Hernandez was only charged with obstruction today things would look different.

WTF are you talking about ? I'm not a Ron Mexico apologist, just got a kick out him using the alias with chicks, but I digress.

Of course as you say, "if Hernandez was charged with obstruction today things would look different".

I'm looking at realilty, dude was charged with murder, with a boatload of evidence linking him directly to the crime.

Live in the moment, and you may start making more sense.

 

[Banemorth]

No worries Adam. Things could have gone differently. Situation is still fluid, but more like molasses than water. Thinking back to the Michael Vick scenario, no one thought he would have gotten another chance and he did. You can't be blamed for holding out on judgement until more evidence came to light. Some guys guessed correctly, some guys guessed wrong. No one KNEW anything.

And of course he hasn't been convicted yet, but it looks bad.

Michael Vick has absolutely ZERO to do with Aaron Hernandez. No valid comparisons can be made between the two.

I disagree. Obviously the nature of their crime is very different, but both were star players facing serious allegations that carried hefty penalties. Both were facing the possibility of a lengthy, perhaps even lifetime, suspension from the league (and yes, there was a lot of talk of giving Vick a lifetime ban).

Vick's crimes didn't carry as big of a maximum sentence as Hernandez's potential crimes (obviously this depends on what he eventually gets charged with), but Vick was facing indictment by the feds, who essentially have a 100% conviction rate, so Hernandez's chances of drawing a "not guilty" verdict and getting off with nothing are substantially higher than Vick's were.

Carruth's crime was more similar than Vick's, but Vick is a much closer comp in terms of talent, which is important because teams will risk more if there's enough talent involved.

Obviously situations like these are so unique and unprecedented that there really aren't any great comps, but I think there is insight to be gained from the Michael Vick comparison.

Respectfully disagree, running a dog fighting ring and whacking dogs, is not in the same galaxy as shooting a man 5 times at point blank range and ending his life.

It's a ridiculous stretch to try to link these two.

Says the guy with the Ron Mexico screen name. Big surprise

Nobody is saying that murdering a human being is equal to running a dog fighting ring. My only point is that things aren't always as they seem. Yes, Hernandez is most likely finished in the NFL. We get it. I'm just thinking back to all the stories in the past where players were dropped or traded away and later had value again. Use any example you want...Ricky Williams, Michael Vick, Cedric Benson. Even Peyton Manning was traded at low value after his neck injury.

Not saying any of it is equivalent to murder. Hernandez is most likely the biggest piece of dog$h** that has ever played in the NFL, but guys that are swearing he has zero value forever might be wrong 4 years from now. I respect that Adam had the balls to keep an open mind until Hernandez was charged. Obviously in hindsight it was wrong, but if Hernandez was only charged with obstruction today things would look different.

WTF are you talking about ? I'm not a Ron Mexico apologist, just got a kick out him using the alias with chicks, but I digress.

Of course as you say, "if Hernandez was charged with obstruction today things would look different".

I'm looking at realilty, dude was charged with murder, with a boatload of evidence linking him directly to the crime.

Live in the moment, and you may start making more sense.

You can't talk sense into the delusional. Give up.

 

[bigmarc27]

Traded him and the browns def for a 2014 2nd and the Bengals def.

non-ppr.

Horrible, nice work.

Thanks!

 

[fruity pebbles]

Has a player ever gone from the type of value Hernandez had to zero that quickly? I mean in 1.5 ppr leagues he was probably a top 10 guy overall.

 

[Patroclus]

I wouldn't trade anything I really valued for him at this point. Chances are pretty good Hernandez is about to be valueless for awhile. How long awhile is I don't know, but I think it's pretty unlikely he's going to walk away from this free and clear. And the possibility his career is over is very real.

Post #22, page 1, six days ago.

To all those who continued to trade for the guy despite the information that has been known for days and the painfully obvious expectation that this day was coming, thinking you were buying low, live and learn.

Not really ....

The release is shocking. The cap implications will hurt the Pats. Even if he was 100% guilty it would have been better for the Pats to wait for the legal proceedings to go through or for Goodell to suspend him.

In what way would this be better? This guy more than likely just assassinated someone. You're saying they shouldn't release this guy on the spot? This is an NFL franchise. Even without the brand equity involved you release this guy for moral reasons. Which all the players have release clauses for.

 

[menobrown]

Has a player ever gone from the type of value Hernandez had to zero that quickly? I mean in 1.5 ppr leagues he was probably a top 10 guy overall.

Last two FFPC(1.5 PPR) startups I've seen, both fairly recently, he went 2.1 and 2.7. Personally I had him rated as my 12th player overall so close to what you are saying but I'm willing to bet his ADP was probably something closer to mid to early second.

But point taken and considering his age leading those who had him to think they had a monster producer for the forseeable future and considering this is coming so recent to a few high stakes and other startups it's devastating.

I'm sure I'm forgetting of some people but the best comp I could come up with such a dramatic off season loss of value would be Robert Edwards but since I was not playing dynasty or a lot of fantasy football at the time I can't even recall if he still had some value after his injury. I don't put Vick in that class because he's not a premium fantasy position and had to many average borderline QB1 fantasy seasons.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I wouldn't trade anything I really valued for him at this point. Chances are pretty good Hernandez is about to be valueless for awhile. How long awhile is I don't know, but I think it's pretty unlikely he's going to walk away from this free and clear. And the possibility his career is over is very real.

Post #22, page 1, six days ago.

To all those who continued to trade for the guy despite the information that has been known for days and the painfully obvious expectation that this day was coming, thinking you were buying low, live and learn.

Not really ....

The release is shocking. The cap implications will hurt the Pats. Even if he was 100% guilty it would have been better for the Pats to wait for the legal proceedings to go through or for Goodell to suspend him.

In what way would this be better? This guy more than likely just assassinated someone. You're saying they shouldn't release this guy on the spot? This is an NFL franchise. Even without the brand equity involved you release this guy for moral reasons. Which all the players have release clauses for.

There's no such thing as a release clause in the NFL, a team never needs to explain why they're releasing somebody.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Vick is nothing like this and please spare the crap about people being emotional about their dogs. We are talking the murder of a human being here. Vick got charged with running an interstate dog ring and in the public eye his crime was cruelty to animals. I'm sorry folks but that is not even in the same discussion as first degree murder and trying to conclude that they are is reaching for straws.

weren't the actual charges racketeering, or something mob related like that?

 

[KCitons]

What do you guys think of trading for AH in a salary cap league where the owner is going to be burdened with the cap penalty.

If you have cap space and could offer a 5th round pick for AH and a 2nd rounder would you do it?

Our league takes the entire cap hit in the year the player is cut, but the penalty is 50% of salary X number of years left on contract.

Essentially, I would lose nearly $20k of my cap (=10% of total cap) this year and 5th, in return I would get a 2nd round pick and just drop AH.

See my post above, I'm exploring the same thing.

oops, sorry. I went back one page and started reading.

FWIW he rejected. It's certainly a good move if you can take the hit though.

Mine was accepted. Swapped a 5th for 2nd and ate the $18.5k cap hit.

 

[Adam Harstad]

Has a player ever gone from the type of value Hernandez had to zero that quickly? I mean in 1.5 ppr leagues he was probably a top 10 guy overall.

Ricky Williams.

 

[DoubleG]

Has a player ever gone from the type of value Hernandez had to zero that quickly? I mean in 1.5 ppr leagues he was probably a top 10 guy overall.

Ricky Williams.

And, sadly (not trying to be flippant) Chris Henry.

 

[Shawnky]

Has a player ever gone from the type of value Hernandez had to zero that quickly? I mean in 1.5 ppr leagues he was probably a top 10 guy overall.

Ricky Williams.

And, sadly (not trying to be flippant) Chris Henry.

Rae Carruth?

 

[Pots]

Has a player ever gone from the type of value Hernandez had to zero that quickly? I mean in 1.5 ppr leagues he was probably a top 10 guy overall.

Ricky Williams.

And, sadly (not trying to be flippant) Chris Henry.

His value was never comparable to those 2 however.

 

[socrates]

Undoubtedly, there will be owners who hang onto Hernandez for the short term while this plays out, and he may well be worth a roster spot at the end of a deeper bench for that; but for how long? Even he were to beat this charge and resume his career, he will not be playing in New England's prolific offense.

At the minimum, I think it is safe to say Hernandez has zero value this season. It seems more likely, however, that we will never again see A.H. play a down of football.

Even at 5 cents on the dollar, I am not buying. There are players on most waiver wires who are better gambles than Hernandez at this point.

The window of opportunity to sell has likely slammed shut.

 

[pollardsvision]

Undoubtedly, there will be owners who hang onto Hernandez for the short term while this plays out, and he may well be worth a roster spot at the end of a deeper bench for that; but for how long? Even he were to beat this charge and resume his career, he will not be playing in New England's prolific offense.

At the minimum, I think it is safe to say Hernandez has zero value this season. It seems more likely, however, that we will never again see A.H. play a down of football.

Even at 5 cents on the dollar, I am not buying. There are players on most waiver wires who are better gambles than Hernandez at this point.

The window of opportunity to sell has likely slammed shut.

Yeah, even in the highly unlikely event that he miraculously beat all charges, just leaving NE would likely make him a near replacement level TE.

On top of the 99% chance that he's put away for the the next few years, and the let's say, 80% chance, that he's put away for at least the remainder of his possible football playing days, he has zero value in virtually any format.

On a side note, our league pondered a "Bad Behavior Pool" where your team gets points for on/off field misconduct. Winner would've gotten a couple hundred bucks. We never got the details hammered out in time to institute last season. That stinks. I'm not sure how many points murder one with 5 other gun charges would've gotten me, but I think it would've been enough.

 

[Sabertooth]

Hernandez is a free agent in my leagues. Nobody is touching him. Value is less than an open roster spot.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Has a player ever gone from the type of value Hernandez had to zero that quickly? I mean in 1.5 ppr leagues he was probably a top 10 guy overall.

Ricky Williams.

not even Ricky had this type of down fall, I was offering 1.02 plus for him and getting rejected prior to this.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I wouldn't trade anything I really valued for him at this point. Chances are pretty good Hernandez is about to be valueless for awhile. How long awhile is I don't know, but I think it's pretty unlikely he's going to walk away from this free and clear. And the possibility his career is over is very real.

Post #22, page 1, six days ago.

To all those who continued to trade for the guy despite the information that has been known for days and the painfully obvious expectation that this day was coming, thinking you were buying low, live and learn.

Not really ....

The release is shocking. The cap implications will hurt the Pats. Even if he was 100% guilty it would have been better for the Pats to wait for the legal proceedings to go through or for Goodell to suspend him.

In what way would this be better? This guy more than likely just assassinated someone. You're saying they shouldn't release this guy on the spot? This is an NFL franchise. Even without the brand equity involved you release this guy for moral reasons. Which all the players have release clauses for.

There's no such thing as a release clause in the NFL, a team never needs to explain why they're releasing somebody.

we're releasing you because you have been charged with murder in the 1st degree along with 5 other gun charges... heres your papers, good luck with that

 

[Bill S]

Ahern is on 9 of my 12 dynasty teams. I am just dropping him in all leagues. Anyone that tries to actively trade ahern in any league is a joke. Except for the cases listed in this thread where salary cap space can be gained by dealing him.

This year is gone, next year is gone. Even if he beats the charges on murder, he still has all the gun charges, which are a slam dunk. The earliest I could see him being eligible to play again if he beats the murder rap, is 5 years from now. And no team is going to touch him.

Did you see his demeanor at the arraignment? Looks like a pretty airtight case, but his career is done even if he gets off somehow.

 

[Amused to Death]

Ahern is on 9 of my 12 dynasty teams. I am just dropping him in all leagues. Anyone that tries to actively trade ahern in any league is a joke. Except for the cases listed in this thread where salary cap space can be gained by dealing him.

This year is gone, next year is gone. Even if he beats the charges on murder, he still has all the gun charges, which are a slam dunk. The earliest I could see him being eligible to play again if he beats the murder rap, is 5 years from now. And no team is going to touch him.

Did you see his demeanor at the arraignment? Looks like a pretty airtight case, but his career is done even if he gets off somehow.

And if any team was interested, they would have to wait for his probable lifetime ban to expire.

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

I dropped him. It felt creepy having him on my roster. I don't know why but felt like a black cloud was lifted from my team when I removed this POS

 

[Buckna]

Has a player ever gone from the type of value Hernandez had to zero that quickly? I mean in 1.5 ppr leagues he was probably a top 10 guy overall.

Ricky Williams.

it wasn't a week like Hernandez but I thought of Travis Henry. He was an early 3rd round startup pick the year he went to Denver. Then the failed drug test a few weeks into the season, appeal for weeks on end and all the other craziness with him started. Then outright cut and suspended the following offseason and never played another down.

 

[comfortably numb]

just hosed a staffer!!!

Hot Route Fantasy Football TradeCheryl Rodrigues gave up:
$2.00 in blind bidding

Anthony Borbely gave up:
Hernandez, Aaron FA TE

 

[Bruce Hammond]

Has a player ever gone from the type of value Hernandez had to zero that quickly? I mean in 1.5 ppr leagues he was probably a top 10 guy overall.

Ricky Williams.

not even Ricky had this type of down fall, I was offering 1.02 plus for him and getting rejected prior to this.

The August Ricky "retired" because he knew he was about to be suspended for repeatedly testing positive for pot, I was in a dynasty league where he was just taken #1 overall in the start up draft. He was top-3 on everyone's boards. I remember the SP the night the news he was quitting football broke, I think the SP set some kind of record for people in one thread at the same time.

So yeah, Ricky was a bigger deal than AH. Not in terms of what he had done, but immediate impact on fantasy teams.

 

[Bruce Hammond]

just hosed a staffer!!!

Hot Route Fantasy Football TradeCheryl Rodrigues gave up:$2.00 in blind bidding

Anthony Borbely gave up:

Hernandez, Aaron FA TE

Hey Conf Numb, are you letting the wifey run the team these days? I remember PMing with her here one night, a bunch of years ago. Cool lady. Tell her I said hi!

Oh, and IMO staffer hosed you for 2 bucks. Plus he freed up a roster spot to find the next Arian Foster while you've used one up for nothing, until you realize AH is as likely to play another down in the NFL as I am, and you drop him.

Bruce

 

[HellToupee]

Aaron Hernandez is still in the dynasty rankings turned in yesterday & today. He's 12th on Terfitiller's board. Today Garda has 44.