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Aaron Hernandez Found Dead - Suicide Suspected (1 Viewer)
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Henry Ford
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Yes. Would you say 12 dead is very few in comparison to 40? I would. If that doesn't work for you, my apologies. We'll just call it 50-60 and call it a day.MarvinTScamper said:
Henry Ford
Footballguy
762 gun murders in Chicago in 2016, over 4,300 shot. I hate the 762 number, but it's a lot less than 4,300.
MarvinTScamper
Footballguy
18-30% is not "very few" to me, no.
I'm not sure 5-10% is "very few"
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Swing 51
Footballguy
The conviction was vacated. Not the same thing as "ruled not guilty".Ruled not guilty....You are free to go Aaron.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I'm not a lawyer, but from what I can tell, he had an insurance policy for long enough that it should pay out on his death even for suicide. It makes it harder for civil cases, since the litigants can no longer point to a conviction (with a higher standard of proof) to show proof of wrong doing.
The other thing I have seen is that some folks think the estate and the families of the victims will both try to sue the Patriots for monies that the team withheld paying to AH. NE claimed breech of contract and fraudulently and willing signing a contract stating there were no outstanding reasons that would prevent him from fulfilling the contract.
I believe AH, his attorneys, and agent came to an agreement on how to handle/settle that, but I am unsure if some sort of settlement is binding to others and would prevent other parties from seeking restitution.
Dickie Dunn
Footballguy
I thought I had read that already had been settled and is not able to be litigated any further, but could be mistaken.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
That's what I thought as well, but non-legal experts in the media have brought it up multiple times since the suicide.
otb_lifer
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Mr. Ected
Footballguy
The big deal of the vacating of the ruling is the fact that he is able to get the remainder of $$$ from his contract with the Patriots. Something in the order of $6-8 million.Ruled not guilty....
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Anarchy99
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IIRC, this is inaccurate information. AH and the Patriots settled on this issue. Legally, the talking heads think the Patriots won't have to pay out any more money.
MarvinTScamper
Footballguy
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
Does this apply now to the two accomplice that are in jail...If the state withdraws its conviction of Aaron seems like the other guys should walk as well.lod001 said:Ruled not guilty....
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Depends how good of a lawyer they can afford...comical in itself. Afford a big $ defense attorney and maybe you get off as well on a technicality. 'If Aaron is not guilty, those with him must be also be not guilty. All ya gotta do is get some hammerheads on a jury and you are gold. Or maybe the state has some other stupid rule on the books like one free all free.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Hernandez and the Patriots reached an agreement to settle any outstanding claims against the team. Even that were not the case, there were multiple reasons why legally they would not have to pay AH or his estate.
Video Explaining Why New England Will Not Owe Any Money
Who knows why Hernandez said his GF was rich . . . maybe he was alluding to insurance money.
Video Explaining Why New England Will Not Owe Any Money
Who knows why Hernandez said his GF was rich . . . maybe he was alluding to insurance money.
Native
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Ex-Aaron Hernandez teammates with Patriots describe odd behavior
Some of Aaron Hernandez's former New England Patriots teammates described his behavior during his last season with the team as erratic and troubling, according to an investigative series by The Boston Globe.
"There would be swings where he'd be the most hyper-masculine, aggressive individual in the room, where he'd be ready to fight somebody in fits of rage,'' said former Patriots receiver Brandon Lloyd. "Or he'd be the most sensitive person in the room, talking about cuddling with his mother. Or he'd ask me, 'Do you think I'm good enough to play?'''
The comments by Lloyd and others -- as well as text messages obtained by The Globe's Spotlight team for a six-part series -- are the first extensive views from teammates of the troubled Hernandez in his last season with the team in 2012. Hernandez would eventually be convicted for the June 2013 murder of Odin Lloyd. He killed himself in prison last year.
Brandon Lloyd recalled that Hernandez said he would "f--- up" fellow receiver Wes Welker during 2012 training camp, after Welker had teased the tight end about needing help in the film room, according to the report.
An investigative series by The Boston Globe revealed that former New England Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez, who killed himself in prison last year, was sexually molested as a young boy.
That led to Welker offering a warning to Lloyd.
"He is looking at me wide-eyed,'' Lloyd recalled of Welker, "and he says, 'I just want to warn you that (Hernandez) is going to talk about being bathed by his mother. He's going to have his genitalia out in front of you while you're sitting on your stool. He's going to talk about gay sex. Just do your best to ignore it. Even walk away.'''
The report also notes that star quarterback Tom Brady had once told Tim Tebow that he was trying to watch over Tebow's former Florida teammates Hernandez and linebacker Brandon Spikes, but that they were "a lot to handle."
Lloyd gave an example of one time when Brady had had enough of Hernandez, who was causing a disruption during a walk-through practice.
"(Hernandez) was out at the walkthrough in flip-flops trying to run around,'' Lloyd said. "He was laughing. He was loud. And Tom keeps it serious in the walkthrough. And Tom says, 'Shut the f--- up. Get the f--- out of here.'''
Lloyd said the change in Hernandez's mood was instantaneous.
"It was like he went from this child-like, laughing, disruptive behavior," Lloyd said, "and he storms off in a fit of rage.''
Former Patriots linebacker Dane Fletcher, who like Hernandez was a rookie with the team in 2010, said he and Hernandez had a volatile relationship from the start, exchanging both insults and punches.
Fletcher told The Globe that one day Hernandez confronted him in the locker room, laughing at him "like the Joker in Batman'' and reminding Fletcher how much he disliked him.
Fletcher cursed at Hernandez, who responded by saying, "But here's the deal. I respect you.'' Fletcher said, "I started laughing because for once he was the bigger man than me. That broke the shield between us.''
But Fletcher also said it was apparent to him and other players that the presence of Hernandez's ex-convict friends from Bristol, Connecticut, was a red flag.
"I knew they were trouble,'' Fletcher said. "Everybody kind of did.''
Some of Aaron Hernandez's former New England Patriots teammates described his behavior during his last season with the team as erratic and troubling, according to an investigative series by The Boston Globe.
"There would be swings where he'd be the most hyper-masculine, aggressive individual in the room, where he'd be ready to fight somebody in fits of rage,'' said former Patriots receiver Brandon Lloyd. "Or he'd be the most sensitive person in the room, talking about cuddling with his mother. Or he'd ask me, 'Do you think I'm good enough to play?'''
The comments by Lloyd and others -- as well as text messages obtained by The Globe's Spotlight team for a six-part series -- are the first extensive views from teammates of the troubled Hernandez in his last season with the team in 2012. Hernandez would eventually be convicted for the June 2013 murder of Odin Lloyd. He killed himself in prison last year.
Brandon Lloyd recalled that Hernandez said he would "f--- up" fellow receiver Wes Welker during 2012 training camp, after Welker had teased the tight end about needing help in the film room, according to the report.
An investigative series by The Boston Globe revealed that former New England Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez, who killed himself in prison last year, was sexually molested as a young boy.
That led to Welker offering a warning to Lloyd.
"He is looking at me wide-eyed,'' Lloyd recalled of Welker, "and he says, 'I just want to warn you that (Hernandez) is going to talk about being bathed by his mother. He's going to have his genitalia out in front of you while you're sitting on your stool. He's going to talk about gay sex. Just do your best to ignore it. Even walk away.'''
The report also notes that star quarterback Tom Brady had once told Tim Tebow that he was trying to watch over Tebow's former Florida teammates Hernandez and linebacker Brandon Spikes, but that they were "a lot to handle."
Lloyd gave an example of one time when Brady had had enough of Hernandez, who was causing a disruption during a walk-through practice.
"(Hernandez) was out at the walkthrough in flip-flops trying to run around,'' Lloyd said. "He was laughing. He was loud. And Tom keeps it serious in the walkthrough. And Tom says, 'Shut the f--- up. Get the f--- out of here.'''
Lloyd said the change in Hernandez's mood was instantaneous.
"It was like he went from this child-like, laughing, disruptive behavior," Lloyd said, "and he storms off in a fit of rage.''
Former Patriots linebacker Dane Fletcher, who like Hernandez was a rookie with the team in 2010, said he and Hernandez had a volatile relationship from the start, exchanging both insults and punches.
Fletcher told The Globe that one day Hernandez confronted him in the locker room, laughing at him "like the Joker in Batman'' and reminding Fletcher how much he disliked him.
Fletcher cursed at Hernandez, who responded by saying, "But here's the deal. I respect you.'' Fletcher said, "I started laughing because for once he was the bigger man than me. That broke the shield between us.''
But Fletcher also said it was apparent to him and other players that the presence of Hernandez's ex-convict friends from Bristol, Connecticut, was a red flag.
"I knew they were trouble,'' Fletcher said. "Everybody kind of did.''
Jefferson the Caregiver
Rebel Without A Pause
I really don't want to hear about this guy anymore.
rockaction
Footballguy
While I think that's a fairly relatable and otherwise noble sentiment, it's certainly a newsworthy story that a repeated murderer, homosexual prisoner (which means something transgressive and potentially violent when applied to males), and violent criminal offender played for a football team, exhibited bizarre behavior, and was rewarded with a $60 million contract extension at one point.
It goes to question what is wrong with both college and professional sports. That's news, whether we don't want to hear about it or not.
It's also about gangs and criminal and sexual violence in poor areas (and not so poor actually) of Connecticut and how that works, an area which I'm intimately aware of.
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rockaction
Footballguy
It's also an investigative series by one of the best papers in the country. It deserves a place in the discussion because it's a very serious thing, both for the region, amateur sports, and professional sports.
Cjw_55106
Footballguy
I'm sorry the title was misleading and you stumbled upon another story about Aaron Hernandez.
rockaction
Footballguy
Nah, I think we need to think about this more, actually. Donnnnnnnn't care. Sorry. Crazy gang banger gay man goes nuts and kills people and the NEP way isn't questioned at all, really, and my little nephew who loves them has to show up while they're removing his jersey from the team store at Foxboro and wonders why and my brother can't explain it.
Nope. Not going away. Sorry, NEP fans.
Nope. Not going away. Sorry, NEP fans.
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pantherclub
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side note question:
How crazy would have the Pats offense been if he had kept it together? Unstoppable I would say. How any more super bowls would they have?
How crazy would have the Pats offense been if he had kept it together? Unstoppable I would say. How any more super bowls would they have?
rockaction
Footballguy
And let me tell you something. That little jailbird ###### shot two or three people, killed them, and almost walked away because he was affiliated with a professional sports franchise. That should be discussed here, and I'm sorry if that makes people uncomfortable. And then, when he was around men, had to #### them in the ### for domination and because he was bigger and stronger. That's sick and disgusting and should be discussed. That's life.
rockaction
Footballguy
Tom Wolfe went over this in A Man In Full. Discussed the culture of prison rape. Let me link to Just Detentional International, a left-wing organization dedicated to stopping it.
rockaction
Footballguy
And frankly, from the Boston Globe article, it sounds like the NEP felt sexually harassed, abused, and scared of this person. This was no Charles Haley. This was a person that wantonly and physically threatened and challenged his teammates in both a sexual and physical way. As a "bigger man." And the NEP let it go.
That's the story.
Hope that helps people that don't want the story coming to light.
That's the story.
Hope that helps people that don't want the story coming to light.
bigmarc27
Footballguy
I hate the Patriots as much as the next guy, but you’re reaching. It’s a violent game, I think it’s fair to not recognize the difference between the necessary aggression to play football and something larger at play. Do you think the Pats would want to spend $60m on the guy had they known everything?
Also LOL at people not wanting the story to come to light. This has probably been the most reported NFL story of the past decade. Probably even moreso than leaguewide CTE issues.
Also LOL at people not wanting the story to come to light. This has probably been the most reported NFL story of the past decade. Probably even moreso than leaguewide CTE issues.
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rockaction
Footballguy
I don't think Kraft would have done that at all. I think they were ignorant. That's all I can say. If they had known, no way. I just wonder how the NFL culture supports this behavior, and how it passes for normal. I think they -- the Patriots -- were blindsided with the news. It's a story because of the Patriots, but this stuff happens too often. The Pats are not my main point. My main point is how this exists both in NFL culture and society. I hope I didn't come off as a NEP hater.
rockaction
Footballguy
And I think the NFL supports violent and abhorrent sexual behavior and normalizes it at times. I knew there was something wrong with Hernandez when he started flipping stripper dollars as his TD celebration. I just...I knew it was wrong. This is sad. I take no joy in this knowledge, even. It's societal, too.
bigmarc27
Footballguy
“I hope I didn't come off as a NEP hater.”
I don’t know how many other possible conclusions could have been drawn from the past few comments...
bigmarc27
Footballguy
Well duh. If you want to be a fan of this game at all, there’s a very necessary willful ignorance on things. These people are trained all year to hit violently and instinctively, all the while having their brains getting mashed into pieces. What do you expect?
rockaction
Footballguy
It's because the guys that were protesting the thread itself were NEP fans.
I swear, even as a Jets fan, it's a neutral thing with Hernandez. I swear, if it had been a Jet, I'd be all over it.
rockaction
Footballguy
bigmarc27
Footballguy
Been all over it? How would you know? I’m a falcons fan and I abhor Michael Vick now, but how the hell would I know what he’s doing off the field?
rockaction
Footballguy
If it was an investigative news story about one of the major franchises in a billion dollar industry in a major paper that's one of the top papers in the world?
rockaction
Footballguy
That's not a story?
rockaction
Footballguy
And I don't want to make too big a deal of it, but once it's bumped and people take issue with it?
That's silly. It's a story.
That's silly. It's a story.
Dedfin
Footballguy
Pretty disturbing imo. rockaction, how much of keeping Hernandez on the team was "win at all costs" and how much was more of the idea that coaches tend to believe in the best of people so when BB sees Hernandez he hopes the atmosphere of the NEP will guide him into good behavior?
rockaction
Footballguy
I can't speak to the individual decisions of what people did, but I know it's a story. That was my original debate with the bump. It's a story, and a sad one. I don't see how people want to sweep it under the rug or are "tired" of hearing about it. It's a legitimate story from all sides and I'm glad the Globe is running it. I'm a Jets fan, but that makes it no different. I don't hate the Patriots about this -- so much so that I hope Josh Gordon excels under the Patriot Way, as everybody in the Shark Pool knows. But I also know the NFL has a lot to answer for both in terms of its arbitrary conduct policy and its culture. That Gordon is tested weekly for alcohol and weed, yet this guy existed and was never under protocol is disgusting.
This is a bigger story about a bigger culture for a bigger day. I'm not equipped, I think, to have it, though I'll try.
Dedfin
Footballguy
Yeah this is definitely more of a story about our culture's relationship with sports, not necessarily about the Pats (I mean it is, but what's the real issue here?). I think most people thought the story was completely resolved, then this story is unearthed which may annoy some, but it is explanatory for big parts of Hernandez's behavior and worthwhile for publication.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, that's really what I was going for, Dedfin. I was definitely wondering about our "relationship with sports" rather than the Pats or anything to do with New England, actually. It was the NFL writ large and what it means to be in that culture within our society and our society's boundaries with respect to the sport itself. As the new graphic on the board tells us, thanks. What you said is a really succinct way of describing what I'm really trying to say.
JuniorGong
Footballguy
The Boston Globe is a shadow of its former self, the place is a dumpster fire these days.
culdeus
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Good point. Almost did life two times but for the investigation of police should have been the more proper observation. They did their job while people like Maurkice Pouncey wearing "Free Aaron Hernandez" shirts still walk around.
rockaction
Footballguy
Every paper is a shell of itself these days, JG. Even the Post or the NYT is. It's been going on since the families sold the papers to the corporates, though that may not be the case in all cases, it certainly lowered the bar. No longer are the Grahams or the Sulzbergers running the show for the most part. It's either the shares or the family members in search of the heritable.
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