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Aaron Hernandez Found Dead - Suicide Suspected (1 Viewer)

lod001 said:
Tell that to the people whose relatives have died when they let a murderer back out on the streets after x years when the guy should have been executed. Just happened in the last few months.
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What does that have to do with animals?

I'm not saying murder's should or shouldn't ever be released, that's for someone smarter than me.  Doesn't bother me if they never are.  

 
Two Deep said:
So like people, all animals are good. There are no animals that are just born bad or born to kill.. I can take a lion cub from birth, treat him with love and let him baby sit my grand kids.
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I wouldn't recommend that, nor with a grizzly cub.  But if you want to train them for the circus you're better off using positive reinforcement than the whip.

All I'm saying is your animal analogy was bad, and so was the pitbull.

 
RUSF18 said:
So you think Kraft and co aren't going to fight (allegedly) having to return $6MM to Hernandez' family on the basis of a technicality?
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I don't know what they plan to do. I do know the CBA, player's association, agents, attorneys for his estate and whatever/whoever else will make it difficult for the Pats to simply withhold money if they're contractually obligated to pay it.

 
Koya said:
A thread unto itself, but that's not how you get to the root of reducing / eliminating crime.

Nations that allow and promote judicial sponsored torture? Crime. 

Places where you get stoned to death or publicly executed? Crime.

Death Penalty? Repeatedly shown to not be a deterrent.

The way you reduce crime is tend to the underlying issues that cause criminal behavior to begin with. Education, health, built environment, access to jobs and resources.   Building and strengthening community and neighborhood fabric.  

Crime is the SYMPTOM. You need to address the underlying ills.
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This.  I encourage people to watch the 60 Minutes about the German prisons.  I found it fascinating.  Instead of focusing on punishment they try to treat their prisoners like humans.

We also make it extremely difficult for people who get out of prison.  We brand them as felons and make it impossible to get a job, forcing them back into the same behavior.  My assistant that I hired is a felon due to stupid decisions she made when she got out of high school.  She's awesome, hard-working, enjoyable to be around, and more competent at what she does than I would be.  I pay her more than I probably should because of these things, but I feel bad for her because she knows she can't advance her career.

 
Two Deep said:
So like people, all animals are good. There are no animals that are just born bad or born to kill.. I can take a lion cub from birth, treat him with love and let him baby sit my grand kids.
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I don't know that I would go that far.  Some animals have a natural killer instinct.

 
i think i am happy with the net end of this namely that he is gone and will not hurt anyone else in his life or in prison or if he ever got out again because i believe he is a bad person but i am not happy about the means namely i think suicide is really tragic as a general rule but to be honest i am having sort of a hard time reconciling those things take that to the bank brohans  

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Agree with that.  I'm certainly no gang expert but once you get involved in that stuff, it's extremely hard to get out, right?  We'll never know but I wonder at what point and what age he was no longer able to be helped either by choice or by situation (or perhaps both)
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I'm reminded of former Cincinnati Red Eric Davis. He grew up in the thug life and it was his friends who didn't want to hang with him...for his sake. They didn't want his opportunity wasted by being caught with them. 

 
Eh the abatement part makes more sense.

He dies mid appeal, he's found not guilty of Odin Lloyd's murder, Patriots owe his estate 6m, his family is paid.

 
Harry Manback said:
Eh the abatement part makes more sense.

He dies mid appeal, he's found not guilty of Odin Lloyd's murder, Patriots owe his estate 6m, his family is paid.
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OJ said that when he gets out he will help look for the real killer. JFC, our justice and legal systems are totally ####ed up.

 
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lod001 said:
Josina Anderson twitter:    That former Pats teammate added: "I'll never believe (Aaron Hernandez) went out that way. Yes he has emotions, but he's not wired like that"

Yeah, he's wired to be a killer who just finished the job. :thumbup:
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When Hernandez was arrested, did that former teammate say, "I knew it!"?

If not, screw him.

 
lod001 said:
The Founding Fathers would have done so if they knew the USA was going to turn into the mess it currently is in with the highest rate if incarceration ion the planet.

The way we are doing things as far as crime IS NOT WORKING.
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On this point, I think many of us can agree.

 
fantasycurse42 said:
Damnnnn - talk about a ####ty legacy to leave behind.

Gotta feel bad for his daughter, she is a victim as much as anyone here.
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I'll play the optimist on this one and suggest its the best thing that could have happened to her. Obviously tragic, but the less influence he has on her life, the less time she has to spend in a prison, seeing her father through bars/glass, is probably for the better

 
Capella said:
"Soon it ended for Aaron Hernandez, the tragic star of the NFL, who had it all and chose evil, who was given everything but delivered misery; a monster, in the middle of the night, dangling from a prison bedsheet."

that is some serious writing right there. 
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Wow. Just read the article. The whole thing is chilling.  

 
So, with about 2,500-3,000 people on death row at any given time... we have 100-120 people wrongly awaiting being killed by the government.  I guess #### happens is one way to look at it.

 
Henry Ford said:
So, with about 2,500-3,000 people on death row at any given time... we have 100-120 people wrongly awaiting being killed by the government.  I guess #### happens is one way to look at it.
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The absolute callousness of some people to not be outraged by this still shocks me. 

Many just have no true sense of decency nor humanity.  Simple as that. 

 
lod001 said:
I believe that if you do the crime, you need to pay SEVERLY. We are weak on criminals in this country. If we were tough, we would not have the crime rates we currently have. Want to reduce crime? Make prison so horrific that no one would want to commit a crime.
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That is absurd.

 
Henry Ford said:
It's not hypocrisy to want the death penalty abolished but not mourn the passing of a murderer.
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Exactly.

The world is a better place without Aaron Hernandez in it.

I can accept the theoretical place of capital punishment in a justice system. I do believe that some people are beyond redemption and are such a threat to the rest of society that it would be preferable for them to be dead (e.g. Hernandez).

But on a practical level, as it now exists, it is an affront to human decency. And I am not sure it is fixable. 

 
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Henry Ford said:
It's not hypocrisy to want the death penalty abolished but not mourn the passing of a murderer.
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No you can't call death penalty supporters callous and also celebrate the death of someone else while assigning all kinds of labels to that person that are highly speculative. 

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
No you can't call death penalty supporters callous and also celebrate the death of someone else while assigning all kinds of labels to that person that are highly speculative. 
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Why not?

Also, this:

The guy was a flat out awful person. Among the worst of the worst. Killed "friends," tried to kill other friends. Was all and only about himself. 

Think he really gave a #### about his fiancé or daughter? Likely a narcissist / psychopath.  While I'm against the death penalty (govt should not be on the business of sanctioning the killing of its own citizens for a multitude of reasons, bloodlust and desire for revenge be damned), glad we aren't on the hook for this selfish man any longer. 

Sad for his family, but not one bit sad for Hernandez. 
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is not celebrating.

 
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