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I don't disagree with any of that, just trying to empathize with where he was. He had it made and sometimes people take that for granted, in his case the fall was just a lot further than Joe Public. He deserved to be in jail the rest of his life, at minimum.
This is a very odd statement. I'm not any kind of expert on this subject, but my understanding is that you're wrong about this.
You dont hate it - try not to take this personally, but you're easily in the 95+ percentile of FFApper Kardashianism
I think the thug life got a hold of him before he was making millions and he probably didn't know any other way at that point. Having a big house and lots of money doesn't equate to having a terrific life though.
He asked me how I felt and I told him. I'm not accusing anyone of anything for how they feel. I'm asking that people don't make jokes or one liners here about in what I said earlier: "But on a bigger scope, for people who've been affected by suicide in some form or who may even be having thoughts of it themselves, a suicide story in the news can be intensely personal and emotional. A high profile story like this can drag back up lots of emotions as people deal with their own history. It feels like a time for caution and maybe restraint. Thanks."
Ok but he had a family and people who actually cared about him. He had more than just money and fame, that was evident throughout.
I'm gonna regret responding to this I'm sure but do you think he was born to be a killer, a thug, a gang member, etc..? You don't think losing his father at a young age and getting caught up in the wrong crowd and gangs contributed to him becoming this way?
Yeah, I don't take it personally. That's fine, but how so?
Agree with that. I'm certainly no gang expert but once you get involved in that stuff, it's extremely hard to get out, right? We'll never know but I wonder at what point and what age he was no longer able to be helped either by choice or by situation (or perhaps both)
I believe that if you do the crime, you need to pay SEVERLY. We are weak on criminals in this country. If we were tough, we would not have the crime rates we currently have. Want to reduce crime? Make prison so horrific that no one would want to commit a crime.
The "reason" is usually a crib-age thing when not organic, which does appear to be in variance with what Wreck seems to be saying, but anything which occurs during mental childhood (which ends with a pre-frontal cortex growth spurt which begins within a year of puberty) could be a trigger. Not enough is yet known on that front. Tim's right that adults don't 'become' sociopaths.
I have no idea about any of that. Obviously the way a person grows up can help determine his circumstances. But what you wrote is that someone can choose to become a sociopath. I don't think that's correct.
A thread unto itself, but that's not how you get to the root of reducing / eliminating crime.
Just stop. I did not say one word about him choosing to become a sociopath. I only used the word sociopath in response to another post about sociopathic behavior. All my post did was to imply there are deeper issues in that guys childhood life that caused him to go down the wrong path.
I'll give the correct answer. His father's death had nothing to do with his own stupidity. His own brother, DJ, had the same father die and he is a hard working guy who has had to deal with people badmouthing him, not hiring him, etc. all due to his brother's stupidity. He's done nothing wrong and feels the wrath of society.
Isn't Steve Smith from a serious hood? Outside of being a badass dude who you don't want to fight, everything I've read about him speaks to hard worker and good guy (just don't piss him off).
Judgement is your sport. That's what all soc is about, people exercising judgement about strangers which they won't exercise upon themselves and wishing for that to transform the passivity and helplessness of suffering into something which feels like superiority and inducing others of their kind to support them.
Fair enough, thanks for explaining. Suicide, and depression, and what happened with Hernandez, are very different topics. I know what you meant to say and I agree with the premise. I just can't feel any sympathy for a murderer like this. Any form of "respect" for me is out the window in a situation like this.
Terminology is important. If you had written that there were reasons why Hernandez became a bad human being I wouldn't have responded. I responded because you wrote that there are reasons he became a sociopath. I'm not even convinced that he WAS a sociopath, but if he was, there certainly are no "reasons" that YOU could elucidate, IMO.
Impossible barring selective breeding and even then, it's doubtful you can stop crime. it will always be there so the correct way to limit it is to make the punishment horrific.
Fortunately, the Constitution prohibits that, as that is not the type of society the Founding Fathers wanted.
Why can't we feel sorry for everyone involved? I've seen families that were torn apart by the death of a parent. And it affected the kids in different ways. Obviously, we are all responsible for our own actions especially things that Hernandez did. But I think it's simplistic to say his brother made it out so why didn't he. We don't know the answers to that and likely never will. But I see nothing wrong with feeling sorry for Hernandez losing his father which likely started him down the wrong path but doesn't mean I feel sorry that he had to pay his consequences for his actions.
I sort of get what you're saying, but it's inevitable to hear this story and see people's reactions, and not have an opinion. In other words, to not do so would be completely dropping out of society. In my instance, I'm sort of asking people to refrain from celebrating this. Judgment is a serious issue with me, and I hope only to use it well. I try not to think of myself as superior -- I'm kind of a fool, actually.
Seriously just stop. You do this in every single thread. Worry about the words that come out of your own mouth and stop putting them in other's mouths. If you feel the need to get into a word battle then engage the original poster that used sociopath and preferably in a different thread.
I agree you can't "eliminate" it - but there are plenty of examples where providing better quality of life and access to health, education and community do a tremendous job of reducing crime.
I think this is a good response.
The Founding Fathers would have done so if they knew the USA was going to turn into the mess it currently is in with the highest rate if incarceration ion the planet.
The bleeding hearts will never allow this. As you see people actually believe everybody has worth. When in reality some are pure animals and should be treated as such.
Believe it or not, i'm not harshing. I dont even respond to the yobbos and yahoos of personal fascism. You're a substantial person who appears to to be looking by telling other you've found. I like that, in its way. I just can't pretend along and would rather try to help you find. And Reg is wrongly right - we should take it off the page. PM if further curious and let the crows feed.
The safest society in world history, in terms of crime on the street, did exactly what you're proposing here: it was Stalinist Russia. No fears of being robbed or raped then. People didn't even dare litter. Is that what you're going for here?
Probably a poor analogy. In general animals respond very well to positive reinforcement and very poorly to negative reinforcement.
Old law still on the books in Massachusetts, despite apparent attempts in the past to get it removed. The basic gist is that because the entire legal process (including all appeal avenues) wasn't completed, the conviction can be thrown out. But that "lack of conviction" doesn't necessarily affect any civil process (see OJ).
or he chose the day the Patriots were visiting the White House to make it one last time all about himself.
You'll have to expand on that if you want me to speak on your behalf. One think i can say is that if that dog grew up from a pup in my family the breed would be irrelevant.
Tell that to the people whose relatives have died when they let a murderer back out on the streets after x years when the guy should have been executed. Just happened in the last few months.
So like people, all animals are good. There are no animals that are just born bad or born to kill.. I can take a lion cub from birth, treat him with love and let him baby sit my grand kids.
That made me laugh. Really it did.