Aaron Hernandez Found Dead - Suicide Suspected (1 Viewer)

[Dope]

Michelle McPhee's  report on Monday was the reason 

Word.,,,that's a spicy meatball.

 

[wikkidpissah]

I fully understand the money angle, but how does he know this? 

What I'm saying, was he advised killing himself would be most lucrative to his family?

That's the assumption of the legaleagles engaged by the Boston morning talkshow i got the story from.

 

[fantasycurse42]

That's the assumption of the legaleagles engaged by the Boston morning talkshow i got the story from.

Wow, interesting. 

 

[Willie Neslon]

I fully understand the money angle, but how does he know this? 

What I'm saying, was he advised killing himself would be most lucrative to his family?

That difficult to imagine he understood where he was in terms of his legal status, his finances, contracts, etc? He's been alone in a cell for years thinking about his cases. People here with nothing but a remedial understanding of his situation figured it out in part of one morning.

 

[The General]

Tragic story. See ya, turd.

 

[fantasycurse42]

That difficult to imagine he understood where he was in terms of his legal status, his finances, contracts, etc? He's been alone in a cell for years thinking about his cases. People here with nothing but a remedial understanding of his situation figured it out in part of one morning.

Baez is a legal shark, also prob a bit of a scumbag. I could see him (off the record) letting him know he is ####ed and him not being alive would be the most lucrative for his family. 

While we'll prob never know, it could be plausible.

 

[AAABatteries]

He ruined his life long before he committed suicide.

That was my point - this was just the final act.  I get not being sad about it but don't get being happy about it.

 

[Willie Neslon]

Baez is a legal shark, also prob a bit of a scumbag. I could see him (off the record) letting him know he is ####ed and him not being alive would be the most lucrative for his family. 

While we'll prob never know, it could be plausible.

I agree with your first sentence but find it tough to imagine it'd be spelled out for him in no uncertain terms. Also, I don't think it's difficult to understand why Baez is out right away casting doubt that this was a suicide.

 

[RUSF18]

That difficult to imagine he understood where he was in terms of his legal status, his finances, contracts, etc? He's been alone in a cell for years thinking about his cases. People here with nothing but a remedial understanding of his situation figured it out in part of one morning.

Yes, it is difficult to understand how some putz who was too selfish to not #### up the lives of his daughter and the rest of his family by doing what he did, was suddenly so altruistic to make sure his family got that money back.

And even if that were all true, think the Pats are going to just cut a check back to the family based on a loophole caused by him killing himself? They'll end up wasting even more money on lawyers.

 

[lod001]

I would say the guy had his mind in order as he finished himself off. Fact is, he was never getting out and he knew it. He didn't see a reason to stick around and rot in jail. It's odd that more lifers don't check out. As far as making it suicide proof as others suggested? Are ya nuts? Seriously, all jail cells should all be equipped with a noose and instructions. These people are murderers.

 

[Da Guru]

Of course it should.  I feel horrible for his relatives, daughter, and victims' families.  

It's hard to feel sorry for him, though, as he had the world on a platter and had plenty of chances to not go down the dark path he did.

I meant for him.

 

[rockaction]

This is indeed a tragedy, in every sense. I'm not shocked at the comments here, but I've known of him since he went to Bloomfield High in CT. It's a few small towns over from me and we had pride in the young man when he went to the NFL. He was reputed to have worked with the boys' clubs, and his brother is a significant sports figure in our area.

Now he's dead, and assuredly responsible for the lives of others. It stinks. I hate it. RIP to everybody involved in his clearly heinous acts, and to him also.   

 

[Two Deep]

don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

 

[fantasycurse42]

I agree with your first sentence but find it tough to imagine it'd be spelled out for him in no uncertain terms. Also, I don't think it's difficult to understand why Baez is out right away casting doubt that this was a suicide.

Of course not, if there is a shot at $6MM waiting for AH's family, he wants 1/3 of it. 

 

[need2know]

apparently Mike Pouncey did 

I was talking about New England Patriots.  You know the smartest team in the league

 

[Willie Neslon]

Yes, it is difficult to understand how some putz who was too selfish to not #### up the lives of his daughter and the rest of his family by doing what he did, was suddenly so altruistic to make sure his family got that money back.

And even if that were all true, think the Pats are going to just cut a check back to the family based on a loophole caused by him killing himself? They'll end up wasting even more money on lawyers.

I wouldn't use the word altruistic but I disagree with pretty much everything you wrote here.

 

[lod001]

Of course not, if there is a shot at $6MM waiting for AH's family, he wants 1/3 of it. 

At least. That guy is only looking out for himself.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

And to clarify, I think it's sad in its entirety. The story as it's played out has been unspeakably crushing for the families and those connected to people Hernandez killed. But I feel for Hernandez' family and those close to him as well. And even Hernandez himself. I understand many don't feel this way, but I take no joy in his life ending. 

But on a bigger scope, for people who've been affected by suicide in some form or who may even be having thoughts of it themselves, a suicide story in the news can be intensely personal and emotional. A high profile story like this can drag back up lots of emotions as people deal with their own history. It feels like a time for caution and maybe restraint. Thanks.

J 

Do you feel bad for Steve Stephens, the labeled Facebook killer? I do feel a little bad that he won't be forced to sit in a small cell for the rest of his life and was able to take the easy way out.

 

[AAABatteries]

Suicide is a very serious issue. This case should not be considered a society issue suicide though.

 The Hernadez story should not evoke any sympathy or emotion. Hernandez did to himself what he did to others. The only sad thing is seeing a person who was living a life many only dream about throw it all away and have an ending like this.

I have no sympathy for Hernandez but being happy about someone committing suicide sends the wrong message to people considering it - even when the guy is a scumbag.

 

[Billy Bats]

Big win for the taxpayers who don't have to pay for his appeals, further prosecution, and warehousing.  Also gives closure to his victims' families in not having to go through more of the process.  

You would be surprised, most victims families would rather see them serve the life term instead of taking the chicken #### way out. 

 

[fantasycurse42]

Regardless of the financial implications, I still find this suicide suspicious. 

I would assume it will be thoroughly investigated.

 

[Da Guru]

I have no sympathy for Hernandez but being happy about someone committing suicide sends the wrong message to people considering it - even when the guy is a scumbag.

Not happy..but indifferent.

 

[rockaction]

Criminal arrogance. We Bostonians watched him be able to take off to East Timor w all his money for four days after the cops had him sniffed out, but hang around cuz he was sure he was untouchable cuz he was a star jock. 

The hypocrisy is phenomenal and so emblamatic of where we're going as a society. Impoverished kids willing & able to grind it out cuz they got buttnothin else, armies of greedsters just waiting to feed em raw meat and make all their excuses as soon as they show a fleck of talent and a world programmed to adore each their image and action if they float to the top, give them make-it-rain money (and not even require em to play a lot anymore), then judge their Frankenstein monsters' every move. You are all Kardashians.

And yet some turn out okay and give back, living well-adjusted lives and become positive members of their communities because that's who they are. I get your sentiment; I just don't fully agree with the premise nor the conclusion about everybody and the sweeping generalizations you're making about us "all being Kardashians." Some of us hate that element of our culture -- the celebrity, the sex tapes -- and do everything we can to mitigate it, unsuccessfully, it seems.  

 

[Two Deep]

Regardless of the financial implications, I still find this suicide suspicious. 

I would assume it will be thoroughly investigated.

i feel like he spent some time out of the pen during this recent trial, (a small taste of freedom). when he went back in, knowing it was going to be for a long stretch he realized he couldn't take living in a cage.

 

[mquinnjr]

Guessing the likely reality of the future had set in. At some point, there will be no more trials. No more days out in a nice suit. Just day after day in that cell thinking abouteverything he lost. Was probably too much for him.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Do you feel bad for Steve Stephens, the labeled Facebook killer? I do feel a little bad that he won't be forced to sit in a small cell for the rest of his life and was able to take the easy way out.




 




 




 





 





 





 

Hi CGR,

I'd say it's like Hernandez in that I take no joy that he's dead. And I know I'm in the minority there. 

J

 

[lod001]

You would be surprised, most victims families would rather see them serve the life term instead of taking the chicken #### way out. 

They should know that while it's no picnic, general population is not hard time. It's life behind bars with access to stuff you should not have access to. Free medical, free dental. Hard time doesn't exist because we are a ####ified nation that feels sorry for criminals & treats them better than they did their victims.

Now that is disgusting.

 

[Reg Lllama of Brixton]

Thoughts and prayers to anyone involved.  Just a sad and tragic situation all the way around.

"when she became not then half of memory became not and if I become not then all of remembering will cease to be.—Yes, he thought, between grief and nothing I will take grief."

-- William Faulkner

 

[lakerstan]

Meh.

 

[fantasycurse42]

They should know that while it's no picnic, general population is not hard time. It's life behind bars with access to stuff you should not have access to. Free medical, free dental. Hard time doesn't exist because we are a ####ified nation that feels sorry for criminals & treats them better than they did their victims.

Now that is disgusting.

At a maximum security prison? I personally can't imagine it being anything but miserable.

 

[rockaction]

Thoughts and prayers to anyone involved.  Just a sad and tragic situation all the way around.

"when she became not then half of memory became not and if I become not then all of remembering will cease to be.—Yes, he thought, between grief and nothing I will take grief."

-- William Faulkner

Probably the greatest thing you've ever posted here. Thanks for that. 
 

I also need to read more Faulkner before I die.  

 

[BobbyLayne]

I'd say it's like Hernandez in that I take no joy that he's dead. And I know I'm in the minority there. 

J

Minority view but not singular.

Every life, and every sentient human being, has value.

Every single person you will see today has intrinsic worth that cannot be measured.

#ImagoDei

 

[Tom Skerritt]

Hi CGR,

I'd say it's like Hernandez in that I take no joy that he's dead. 

J

You make it seem though that others are not allowed to take joy in these deaths. Now I am not dancing in the streets, but I am glad that these POS are no longer with us.

 

[rockaction]

Minority view but not singular.

Every life, and every sentient human being, has value.

Every single person you will see today has intrinsic worth that cannot be measured.

#ImagoDei

Yes. Absolutely. I take no joy in this, nor do I take joy in the lives he took. Nor would I suspend judgment on the man for what he did. Truly awful.  

 

[Joe Bryant]

You make it seem though that others are not allowed to take joy in these deaths. Now I am not dancing in the streets, but I am glad that these POS are no longer with us.

Hi Tom,

I'm not saying what others are allowed to do. They asked my opinion on it about how I feel. That's all that is.

For the forums, I've asked that we not make jokes and such about it for what I said earlier: "But on a bigger scope, for people who've been affected by suicide in some form or who may even be having thoughts of it themselves, a suicide story in the news can be intensely personal and emotional. A high profile story like this can drag back up lots of emotions as people deal with their own history. It feels like a time for caution and maybe restraint. Thanks."

J

 

[tonydead]

At a maximum security prison? I personally can't imagine it being anything but miserable.

Maximum or Supermax?  Interestingly Frontline was about solitary and Supermax prisons last night (not sure if it was a rerun or not).  They just screw up those guys more than they already are.  Not sure anyone should ever be released from one of those places.

 

[rockaction]

Maximum or Supermax?  Interestingly Frontline was about solitary and Supermax prisons last night (not sure if it was a rerun or not).  They just screw up those guys more than they already are.  Not sure anyone should ever be released from one of those places.

My friend who is a lawyer calls it graduate school for criminals. The mixture of captivity, solitariness, and the people you're in with just makes people crazier. I'm not sure what to do about it policy-wise, though. That's for sharper minds than mine.  

 

[lod001]

Maximum or Supermax?  Interestingly Frontline was about solitary and Supermax prisons last night (not sure if it was a rerun or not).  They just screw up those guys more than they already are.  Not sure anyone should ever be released from one of those places.

There is definitely a big difference between the 2. While no country club, max security means you mingle in general population and get to 'hang out ' with your kind (other criminals).

 

[lod001]

My friend who is a lawyer calls it graduate school for criminals. The mixture of captivity, solitariness, and the people you're in with just makes people crazier. I'm not sure what to do about it policy-wise, though. That's for sharper minds than mine.  

The way it should be....they are at least subjected to mental torture.

 

[rockaction]

The way it should be....they are at least subjected to mental torture.

I take your sentiment, but when they get released...look out. I'm not a namely-pamby. Jails make tough ### criminals or break a man in a way that humbles him enough to live on the outside. But the criminals I've met are really messed up mentally.  

 

[Sweet J]

http://www.metro.us/sports/boston/aaron-hernandez-gay-rumors-facebook-page-say-yes

she stole @bigbottom's jokes!

 

[Reg Lllama of Brixton]

My friend who is a lawyer calls it graduate school for criminals

I thought that was Wharton?

 

[kOOk]

Hi CGR,

I'd say it's like Hernandez in that I take no joy that he's dead. And I know I'm in the minority there. 

J

You keep turning it around to try and say (accuse) others of "taking joy" in this.  Nobody was saying that, it was just your precautionary tone.  All the while, the point you were trying to make was to show some "respect", for a cold-blooded killer.

 

[rockaction]

I thought that was Wharton?

:slow clap:  

 

[Limp Ditka]

You keep turning it around to try and say (accuse) others of "taking joy" in this.  Nobody was saying that, it was just your precautionary tone.  All the while, the point you were trying to make was to show some "respect", for a cold-blooded killer.

you're pretty oblivious to what's  going on around you.

 

[tonydead]

The way it should be....they are at least subjected to mental torture.

Still a noose in every cell though?  Because the way it was portrayed on Frontline is the majority of these guys would probably use it, whether they had an inkling of suicide when they went in or not.  One guy only had 170 days and he was cutting himself to get out of there.  And the prisons are obligated to extract them if they are in a life threatening situation.  They would let them bleed, but, if they couldn't see them or could see they were badly injured they would get them out so they could heal them up before they were put back in for more torture.  Where would you draw the line?  I agree suicide proof cells on death row would be ironic.

 

[maxwelledison]

The way it should be....they are at least subjected to mental torture.

Serious question: does this bring you pleasure (in the Mill sense)?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Guessing the likely reality of the future had set in. At some point, there will be no more trials. No more days out in a nice suit. Just day after day in that cell thinking about everything he lost. Was probably too much for him.

That and coming to the realization that he had a terrific life, played a game for a living making millions, and he threw it all away because he wanted to live the thug life.  I think his shame and embarrassment got the best of him, especially once he got on the inside and saw what kind of trash was surrounding him. 

 

[whoknew]

Hi CGR,

I'd say it's like Hernandez in that I take no joy that he's dead. And I know I'm in the minority there. 

J

You shouldn't be in the minority. That's just being a human.

This is a tragic story with many ruined lives. Its incredibly sad.

 

[rockaction]

That and coming to the realization that he had a terrific life, played a game for a living making millions, and he threw it all away because he wanted to live the thug life.  I think his shame and embarrassment got the best of him, especially once he got on the inside and saw what kind of trash was surrounding him. 

But he was the trash around him. He was killing valuable members of society for kicks. That's sociopathic. I'm defending the sanctity of his death, but making him into a troubled angel doesn't quite do it. He killed multiple people apparently. And one in total cold blood. His surroundings of trash might have been his embodiment, Dr. D. Know what I'm saying?