Aaron Rodgers admits to over-inflating footballs (1 Viewer)

[Anarchy99]

BTW, if the Patriots were somehow able to tamper with the certified balls the penalty should be harsh, but until there is some evidence that they did so absent one kind of soft ball found during the game this matter is ridiculous, in my estimation.

They mentioned on ESPN that the penalty for over or under inflating footballs was a $25,000 fine as outlined in the NFL operations manual.

Total, or per ball? Also, is that upon submittal of the balls to the refs to encourage cooperation on the rule, or sometime after? I guess I want to know if that stated penalty is for negligent or intentional submission of the balls for inspection, or whether it covers post-inspection tampering.

Here is what is being reported . . .

The league's game operations manual notes: "If any individual alters the footballs, or if a non-approved ball is used in the game, the person responsible and, if appropriate, the head coach or other club personnel will be subject to discipline, including but not limited to, a fine of $25,000."

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Rodgers is actually speaking about this issue on his radio show right now.

Rob Demovsky @RobDemovsky · 4m4 minutes ago
Rodgers: It's not an advantage when you have a football that's inflated more than average air pressure. We're not kicking these footballs.
Rob Demovsky @RobDemovsky · 5m5 minutes ago
Rodgers: Majority of people don't like throwing brand new footballs, and that's why Peyton was instrumental in the change.


Rob Demovsky @RobDemovsky · 6m6 minutes ago
Rodgers: Flat football is an advantage if you have smaller hands.
Rob Demovsky @RobDemovsky · 7m7 minutes ago
Rodgers: Every game, (the refs) are taking air out of the footballs. Peyton was instrumental in making changes that we get to run them down
Rob Demovsky @RobDemovsky · 7m7 minutes ago
Rodgers: Majority of the QBs like it on the flatter side. My belief is there should be a minimum air pressure requirement but not a maximum.
Rob Demovsky @RobDemovsky · 8m8 minutes ago
Rodgers on Pats/deflated balls: I have a major problem with the way it goes down. Majority of time referees take air out of the ball.

 

[Anarchy99]

Here is the article and video . . .

http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/12193345/nfl-investigating-whether-new-england-patriots-deflated-footballs-indianapolis-colts?id=12193345

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

BTW, if the Patriots were somehow able to tamper with the certified balls the penalty should be harsh, but until there is some evidence that they did so absent one kind of soft ball found during the game this matter is ridiculous, in my estimation.

They mentioned on ESPN that the penalty for over or under inflating footballs was a $25,000 fine as outlined in the NFL operations manual.

Thanks for doing the googlefu for me.

Total, or per ball? Also, is that upon submittal of the balls to the refs to encourage cooperation on the rule, or sometime after? I guess I want to know if that stated penalty is for negligent or intentional submission of the balls for inspection, or whether it covers post-inspection tampering.

Here is what is being reported . . .The league's game operations manual notes: "If any individual alters the footballs, or if a non-approved ball is used in the game, the person responsible and, if appropriate, the head coach or other club personnel will be subject to discipline, including but not limited to, a fine of $25,000."

Thanks for doing the Google Fu for me.

 

[General Tso]

Rodgers is actually speaking about this issue on his radio show right now.

Rob Demovsky @RobDemovsky · 4m4 minutes ago



Rodgers: It's not an advantage when you have a football that's inflated more than average air pressure. We're not kicking these footballs.





Rob Demovsky @RobDemovsky · 5m5 minutes ago



Rodgers: Majority of people don't like throwing brand new footballs, and that's why Peyton was instrumental in the change.





Rob Demovsky @RobDemovsky · 6m6 minutes ago



Rodgers: Flat football is an advantage if you have smaller hands.





Rob Demovsky @RobDemovsky · 7m7 minutes ago



Rodgers: Every game, (the refs) are taking air out of the footballs. Peyton was instrumental in making changes that we get to run them down





Rob Demovsky @RobDemovsky · 7m7 minutes ago



Rodgers: Majority of the QBs like it on the flatter side. My belief is there should be a minimum air pressure requirement but not a maximum.





Rob Demovsky @RobDemovsky · 8m8 minutes ago



Rodgers on Pats/deflated balls: I have a major problem with the way it goes down. Majority of time referees take air out of the ball.

Sounds like a man who is covering something up... Why is it ok to over inflate a ball but not under inflate it?

 

[msudaisy26]

Rodgers is actually speaking about this issue on his radio show right now.

Rob Demovsky @RobDemovskyhttps://twitter.com/RobDemovskyhttps://twitter.com/RobDemovsky · 4m4 minutes ago

Rodgers: It's not an advantage when you have a football that's inflated more than average air pressure. We're not kicking these footballs.

Rob Demovsky @RobDemovskyhttps://twitter.com/RobDemovskyhttps://twitter.com/RobDemovsky · 5m5 minutes ago

Rodgers: Majority of people don't like throwing brand new footballs, and that's why Peyton was instrumental in the change.

Rob Demovsky @RobDemovskyhttps://twitter.com/RobDemovskyhttps://twitter.com/RobDemovsky · 6m6 minutes ago

Rodgers: Flat football is an advantage if you have smaller hands.

Rob Demovsky @RobDemovskyhttps://twitter.com/RobDemovskyhttps://twitter.com/RobDemovsky · 7m7 minutes ago

Rodgers: Every game, (the refs) are taking air out of the footballs. Peyton was instrumental in making changes that we get to run them down

Rob Demovsky @RobDemovskyhttps://twitter.com/RobDemovskyhttps://twitter.com/RobDemovsky · 7m7 minutes ago

Rodgers: Majority of the QBs like it on the flatter side. My belief is there should be a minimum air pressure requirement but not a maximum.

Rob Demovsky @RobDemovskyhttps://twitter.com/RobDemovskyhttps://twitter.com/RobDemovsky · 8m8 minutes ago

Rodgers on Pats/deflated balls: I have a major problem with the way it goes down. Majority of time referees take air out of the ball.

Sounds like a man who is covering something up... Why is it ok to over inflate a ball but not under inflate it?

Because he likes them over inflated, and everyone else likes them under inflated

 

[Bad_Mo]

Rodgers is actually speaking about this issue on his radio show right now.

Rob Demovsky @RobDemovskyhttps://twitter.com/RobDemovskyhttps://twitter.com/RobDemovsky · 4m4 minutes ago

Rodgers: It's not an advantage when you have a football that's inflated more than average air pressure. We're not kicking these footballs.

Rob Demovsky @RobDemovskyhttps://twitter.com/RobDemovskyhttps://twitter.com/RobDemovsky · 5m5 minutes ago

Rodgers: Majority of people don't like throwing brand new footballs, and that's why Peyton was instrumental in the change.

Rob Demovsky @RobDemovskyhttps://twitter.com/RobDemovskyhttps://twitter.com/RobDemovsky · 6m6 minutes ago

Rodgers: Flat football is an advantage if you have smaller hands.

Rob Demovsky @RobDemovskyhttps://twitter.com/RobDemovskyhttps://twitter.com/RobDemovsky · 7m7 minutes ago

Rodgers: Every game, (the refs) are taking air out of the footballs. Peyton was instrumental in making changes that we get to run them down

Rob Demovsky @RobDemovskyhttps://twitter.com/RobDemovskyhttps://twitter.com/RobDemovsky · 7m7 minutes ago

Rodgers: Majority of the QBs like it on the flatter side. My belief is there should be a minimum air pressure requirement but not a maximum.

Rob Demovsky @RobDemovskyhttps://twitter.com/RobDemovskyhttps://twitter.com/RobDemovsky · 8m8 minutes ago

Rodgers on Pats/deflated balls: I have a major problem with the way it goes down. Majority of time referees take air out of the ball.

Sounds like a man who is covering something up... Why is it ok to over inflate a ball but not under inflate it?

Because he likes them over inflated, and everyone else likes them under inflated

I prefer mine to be under inflated after a period of time during which they were over inflated.

So relaxing

 

[ROCKET]

Sounds like it is most likely common place for teams to submit balls that are over/under inflated to the refs for inspection.

My question is what is the penalty for submitting a ball that isn't the correct PSI ? Is there any penalty or does the ref just throw the ball aside?

Assuming there is no penalty I'm sure this is common place. So now the league checks a ball that was used in the game that they already ok'd a team to use. The ball isn't the right PSI. If there is no proof that someone tampered with the ball on the teams behalf after the initial inspection then there is no proof of wrong doing. Even if the Patriots did anything shady I don't see how it could ever be proven. This seems almost impossible to prove IMO.

I know if I were the Pats I would contest the ball PSI at every game going forward, make the league spend time and $$ investigating just to make a mockery of this whole thing.

 

[General Tso]

Rodgers is actually speaking about this issue on his radio show right now.

Rob Demovsky @RobDemovskyhttps://twitter.com/RobDemovskyhttps://twitter.com/RobDemovsky · 4m4 minutes ago

Rodgers: It's not an advantage when you have a football that's inflated more than average air pressure. We're not kicking these footballs.

Rob Demovsky @RobDemovskyhttps://twitter.com/RobDemovskyhttps://twitter.com/RobDemovsky · 5m5 minutes ago

Rodgers: Majority of people don't like throwing brand new footballs, and that's why Peyton was instrumental in the change.

Rob Demovsky @RobDemovskyhttps://twitter.com/RobDemovskyhttps://twitter.com/RobDemovsky · 6m6 minutes ago

Rodgers: Flat football is an advantage if you have smaller hands.

Rob Demovsky @RobDemovskyhttps://twitter.com/RobDemovskyhttps://twitter.com/RobDemovsky · 7m7 minutes ago

Rodgers: Every game, (the refs) are taking air out of the footballs. Peyton was instrumental in making changes that we get to run them down

Rob Demovsky @RobDemovskyhttps://twitter.com/RobDemovskyhttps://twitter.com/RobDemovsky · 7m7 minutes ago

Rodgers: Majority of the QBs like it on the flatter side. My belief is there should be a minimum air pressure requirement but not a maximum.

Rob Demovsky @RobDemovskyhttps://twitter.com/RobDemovskyhttps://twitter.com/RobDemovsky · 8m8 minutes ago

Rodgers on Pats/deflated balls: I have a major problem with the way it goes down. Majority of time referees take air out of the ball.

Sounds like a man who is covering something up... Why is it ok to over inflate a ball but not under inflate it?

Because he likes them over inflated, and everyone else likes them under inflated

I prefer mine to be under inflated after a period of time during which they were over inflated.So relaxing

I only experienced over-inflated balls once, and that was after an unfortunate skiing accident in 1986. My nuts were in a sling contraption for over a week. It made for great conversations (and occasional viewings) as I was in high school at the time.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

If there is no proof that someone tampered with the ball on the teams behalf after the initial inspection then there is no proof of wrong doing. Even if the Patriots did anything shady I don't see how it could ever be proven. This seems almost impossible to prove IMO.

They send in Lt. Daniel Kaffee:

Kaffee: *Coach Bellichick, did you deflate those footballs?*

Roger Goodell: You *don't* have to answer that question!

Hoodie: I'll answer the question!

[to Kaffee]

Hoodie: You want answers?

Kaffee: I think I'm entitled to.

Hoodie: *You want answers?*

Kaffee: *I want the truth!*

Hoodie: *You can't handle the truth!*

[pauses]

Hoodie: Son, we live in a world that has Quarterbacks with neckbeards, and those Quarterbacks need to be sent home to their mommas. Who's gonna do it? You? Rex Ryan? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Luck, and you curse the Patriots. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Colts loss, while tragic, probably keeps the Cleveland Browns from tanking. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, makes a bunch of morons from the North East feel like they've accomplished something in their sad lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at Super Bowl parties, you want me on that sideline, you need me on that sideline. We use words like "We're on to Cinicinnati". We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a helmet, and try and block Vince Wilfork. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

Kaffee: Did you deflate those footballs?

Hoodie: I did the job I...

Kaffee: Did you deflate those footballs?

Hoodie: *You're ####### right I did!*

Hoodie: Haters gonna hate

 

[George Jefferson Airplane]

Lots of ball talk in these forums today.

 

[Jercules]

Rodgers' comments suggest it's common for teams to prepare the balls the way they want them, and let the refs figure out before the game if they need to be deflated/inflated.

It's entirely possible, even likely, that that is exactly what happened here, and the refs simply screwed up in letting under-inflated balls make it to the field.

Does anyone know how this story leaked? I know the Colts filed the complaint, but did they leak this as well? If so, that's about as pathetic as it gets (besides losing an AFCCG by 38 points).

 

[msudaisy26]

If there is no proof that someone tampered with the ball on the teams behalf after the initial inspection then there is no proof of wrong doing. Even if the Patriots did anything shady I don't see how it could ever be proven. This seems almost impossible to prove IMO.

They send in Lt. Daniel Kaffee:

Kaffee: *Coach Bellichick, did you deflate those footballs?*

Roger Goodell: You *don't* have to answer that question!

Hoodie: I'll answer the question!

[to Kaffee]

Hoodie: You want answers?

Kaffee: I think I'm entitled to.

Hoodie: *You want answers?*

Kaffee: *I want the truth!*

Hoodie: *You can't handle the truth!*

[pauses]

Hoodie: Son, we live in a world that has Quarterbacks with neckbeards, and those Quarterbacks need to be sent home to their mommas. Who's gonna do it? You? Rex Ryan? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Luck, and you curse the Patriots. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Colts loss, while tragic, probably keeps the Cleveland Browns from tanking. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, makes a bunch of morons from the North East feel like they've accomplished something in their sad lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at Super Bowl parties, you want me on that sideline, you need me on that sideline. We use words like "We're on to Cinicinnati". We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a helmet, and try and block Vince Wilfork. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

Kaffee: Did you deflate those footballs?

Hoodie: I did the job I...

Kaffee: Did you deflate those footballs?

Hoodie: *You're ####### right I did!*

Hoodie: Haters gonna hate

That was pretty good

 

[Road Warriors]

Rodgers' comments suggest it's common for teams to prepare the balls the way they want them, and let the refs figure out before the game if they need to be deflated/inflated.

It's entirely possible, even likely, that that is exactly what happened here, and the refs simply screwed up in letting under-inflated balls make it to the field.

Does anyone know how this story leaked? I know the Colts filed the complaint, but did they leak this as well? If so, that's about as pathetic as it gets (besides losing an AFCCG by 38 points).

Indy reporter Bob Kravitz tweeted, quoting "NFL Source" - which from the Mike Lynch WCVB report could well be the Colts GM who reported this at halftime to the league. Basically, the Colts filed a complaint with the league that a ball was soft.

 

[cstu]

"Deflating the ball does give a team an advantage," says materials scientist Ainissa Ramirez, the author of Newton's Football, a book about the science of football. Ramirez says the slightly softer football improves the grip.

"Particularly during that game which was very rainy, it's hard to hold the ball, it's hard to catch the ball," she says. "So by making it a little softer, it's easier to catch the ball."

John Eric Goff, a physicist at Lynchburg College in Virginia and author of Gold Medal Physics, agrees. However, underinflating a ball also carries a slight disadvantage:

"If you reduce the mass of the ball, which happens if you let a little bit of air out, the ball can decelerate faster when you throw it," he says. And that means it won't go as far on each throw.

So if you're wondering why Rodgers throws such a nice deep ball, the highly inflated ball is beneficial - at the expense of being catchable.

 

[MaxThreshold]

"Deflating the ball does give a team an advantage," says materials scientist Ainissa Ramirez, the author of Newton's Football, a book about the science of football. Ramirez says the slightly softer football improves the grip.

"Particularly during that game which was very rainy, it's hard to hold the ball, it's hard to catch the ball," she says. "So by making it a little softer, it's easier to catch the ball."

John Eric Goff, a physicist at Lynchburg College in Virginia and author of Gold Medal Physics, agrees. However, underinflating a ball also carries a slight disadvantage:

"If you reduce the mass of the ball, which happens if you let a little bit of air out, the ball can decelerate faster when you throw it," he says. And that means it won't go as far on each throw.

So if you're wondering why Rodgers throws such a nice deep ball, the highly inflated ball is beneficial - at the expense of being catchable.

Or, more likely, it's just because he's the best qb in the league and pretty damn talented.