Aaron Rodgers... (1 Viewer)

[BlahBlah WoofWoof]

What's your guys opinions on Aaron Rodgers? this year and for a dynasty?

Standard yahoo scoring...he would be my #2 guy since I have Brees as a #1.

Thanks!

 

[Buckeyedawgs]

Nice 2 guy to have this year IMO. You just better make sure you have a 3 guy. Dudes had two chances to get some significent meaningful playing time and got hurt both times. He ain't no Brett Favre! I like his ceiling this year if he can stay healthy.

 

[Bob Henry]

I like his ADP right now. On a points per game basis, he may be the best value on the board meaning if he plays 15 or 16 games I like his chances of being in the top 10. He adds a bit more as a runner than Favre did and he has a good core group of players around him and a line that is coming together nicely as well.

The downside is all about risk assessment with respect to injuries. In his small sample size as a pro, he's gotten banged around a bit. If that continues this year, we'll see Brian Brohm. That's the rub with Rodgers. He's had plenty of time to learn the offense so he's not like your typical 1st year starter. He may be similar to Matt Hasselbeck in his first year starting at Seattle, or Mark Brunell even.

If you have Brees and Rodgers is a #2, I like that combo a lot without looking at the week to week possibilities / matchups.

 

[Almas_4th_Child]

I believe that Rodgers has a ton of pressure on him.

To fill in for a all time great like Favre...he will have expectations to play like him and it just won't happen.

Rodgers will be deemed a success this season if he throws more TD's than INT's.

This will be a large learning season for him. I expect him to break out with better numbers in 2009.

 

[Golden Mike Tomczak]

I would be concerned with his durability. I saw him come in for Favre a while back and he lasted one series before leaving the game. Thats only one instance of course, but I didn't like what I saw when he was in there. With that being said, it's not easy to come off the bench cold and have success, so this year will be his real first chance. I doubt he will have much success, but who knows, alot of weapons in that offense.

 

[tec79]

Nice 2 guy to have this year IMO. You just better make sure you have a 3 guy. Dudes had two chances to get some significent meaningful playing time and got hurt both times. He ain't no Brett Favre! I like his ceiling this year if he can stay healthy.

yea well no one else is either! Historically the guy who replaces a legend struggles, very few are successful (exception is Steve Young). Advantage Rodgers has is the one Young did-he watched a HOF for a few years before he got his chance. Thats not to say that Rodgers=S Young, but Rodgers does have talent around him. If he throws 20+ TD's and has fewer INT's than TD's then he will have had a very good season.One other thing, he is a lot more mobile than #4, but that can lead to injury risk too....

tex

 

[Phurfur]

I believe that Rodgers has a ton of pressure on him.

To fill in for a all time great like Favre...he will have expectations to play like him and it just won't happen.

Rodgers will be deemed a success this season if he throws more TD's than INT's.

This will be a large learning season for him. I expect him to break out with better numbers in 2009.

Where are you getting this from? I think you just made that up.

 

[Thorpe]

Rodgers is a great #2 for you to have. I see him finishing the year ranked 14 to 18 fantasy-wise. He is a very accurate passer.

 

[sho nuff]

Nice 2 guy to have this year IMO. You just better make sure you have a 3 guy. Dudes had two chances to get some significent meaningful playing time and got hurt both times. He ain't no Brett Favre! I like his ceiling this year if he can stay healthy.

He did not get hurt in the Dallas game.He was hurt in practice several days later.Though, his health is a question mark for sure (as is the health of nearly ever QB...look how many QBs started last season...guys like Favre and Manning and Brady who play every game are quite rare these days)

 

[sho nuff]

I would be concerned with his durability. I saw him come in for Favre a while back and he lasted one series before leaving the game. Thats only one instance of course, but I didn't like what I saw when he was in there. With that being said, it's not easy to come off the bench cold and have success, so this year will be his real first chance. I doubt he will have much success, but who knows, alot of weapons in that offense.

When?The two times he filled in, he finished the games.This past year against Dallas...the previous year against NE. In that NE game he broke his foot in the 3rd quarter and played on it and did not know it was broken until after the game.The Dallas game he played and did not get hurt until practice that week.You doubt he will have much success? I am not sure why? I don't think he will come out and light the league on fire...but I think he will have some success.

 

[FavreCo]

If he doesn't succeed out of the gate with what is around him, he never will. You should know within the 1st 3 weeks if he has it.

 

[sho nuff]

If he doesn't succeed out of the gate with what is around him, he never will. You should know within the 1st 3 weeks if he has it.

I would not go totally that far...there will be a learning curve being a new QB...if people expect that type of success that early...the pressure will be much worse than it should be.

 

[Beefeaters]

Trent Dilfer

Could win you the Super Bowl, but even then you might not want to keep him around.

 

[fatkid]

Depends on your roster size and how many QBs you want on your roster.

I play in a 12 team league with 18 players on a Roster so the free agent pickings are slim. In the past, if I ended up with Manning, Favre, or Brady I would only keep 2 QBs. If I got McNabb or wanted to play QB roulette, I would keep 4 on my Roster.

If you want rodgers as a 2, I think you need to have 3-4 QBs total on your team to protect against injuries. So a combination of Brees, Rodgers, and then Campbell or Leinart.

I personally rank Rodgers after Campbell and Leinart, so I have him around 22. I don't see ranking someone who has only played 2 games over guys who have far more starting experience. I don't like him as a #2, but If I do QB roulette he would be one of the guys I would want late.

 

[The Moz]

Rodgers this year is a nice #2 QB you can get near drafts end ! he has great wrs and looked good last year against Dallas

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Redrafts, he's fine...but I like Brohm much better in Dynasty. Rodgers has a slight injury history problem as well...I also think Rodgers is a bit limited in arm strength which is going to take away from guys like Jennings and Jones.

Lot of talent around him on offense.

 

[Almas_4th_Child]

If he doesn't succeed out of the gate with what is around him, he never will. You should know within the 1st 3 weeks if he has it.

Phurfur, there are your expectations.

 

[sho nuff]

Redrafts, he's fine...but I like Brohm much better in Dynasty. Rodgers has a slight injury history problem as well...I also think Rodgers is a bit limited in arm strength which is going to take away from guys like Jennings and Jones. Lot of talent around him on offense.

Only problem is Brohm's injury history is not all that great either...and his arm strength is not his strong point.

 

[The Moz]

I also think Rodgers is a bit limited in arm strength

he is???

 

[Phurfur]

If he doesn't succeed out of the gate with what is around him, he never will. You should know within the 1st 3 weeks if he has it.

Phurfur, there are your expectations.

Definitely not, but no one including Rodgers expects him to play like Favre. If all QBs were given 3 weeks to prove themselves most pro teams would be running the option. Rodgers will be the starter until someone beats him out and I don't see that happening this year. I really think the biggest concern about Rodgers is his durability.

 

[Phurfur]

I also think Rodgers is a bit limited in arm strength

he is???

I haven't heard that one.

 

[jaybebo]

I would agree he is a solid #2 QB...he will never be Favre...because he is Rodgers...so there.

 

[Almas_4th_Child]

If he doesn't succeed out of the gate with what is around him, he never will. You should know within the 1st 3 weeks if he has it.

Phurfur, there are your expectations.

Definitely not, but no one including Rodgers expects him to play like Favre. If all QBs were given 3 weeks to prove themselves most pro teams would be running the option. Rodgers will be the starter until someone beats him out and I don't see that happening this year. I really think the biggest concern about Rodgers is his durability.

We both know why the option doesn't work in the NFL, but anyways. The real question about Rodgers should be everything. He hasn't proven anything at all. How will he be in a pressure situation, two minute drill, trailing, blitz, etc. Nobody knows the answers to this. Lack of durability is the only thing he has thus far proven.

 

[Todem]

It is going to be a long year in GB this season.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Oh, they're all long years. Most of them end with division championships.

 

[Almas_4th_Child]

It is going to be a long year in GB this season.

I think there are a couple of factors. First off this team is talented, but how do they bounce back from the disappointing loss in the NFC Championship game and deal with the loss of Favre.Secondly, they need some young guys to step it up. Yeh i'm talking to you AJ Hawk, Bigby, Jennings, Collidge. Not that these players are bad....they just need to take their games to the next level.Overall, the Oline and Dline are going to determine a lot on this team. The dline lose corey williams...how much will that effect them? The oline must continue to develop to help out a young skill position group.

 

[TruckBoatTruck]

My take:

The multiple receiver sets aren't going anywhere. I have a lot of confidence in Rodgers' ability to take quick drops, make effective reads and hit the short routes in the spread. His mobility should help him get out of some jams, as well. I've never heard about arm strength being an issue. Low release point coming out of Cal was the biggest mechanical knock, IIRC.

What concerns me - and this is a big concern - is his ability on the intermediate routes and the deep ball. An enormous reason why the short game (and Ryan Grant, for that matter) had so much success last year was the respect opposing defenses gave to Favre's ability to go over the top. If Rodgers proves that he's willing and able to hit those routes, the dinking and dunking will continue to be effective. There's a certain amount of respect he has to earn, and until that happens, those quick slants will be jumped on hard. Given that, and the possibility of injury, he's a great #2, but you'd better have somebody behind him.

ETA: Scratch the release point - was thinking of how he held the ball high in the pocket.

 

[ookook]

I think Rodgers' fantasy value will be limited.

Not because of him, but because of the rest of the team. Last season they had problems running the ball for a large part of the year. Many blamed the RBs since it changed when Grant came in, who then did fine. I think the problem is deeper, but that is besides the point of this thread.

I believe that defenses will not be hard pressed to stop their rushing game, putting Rodgers in 3rd and long situations too often, facing too many DBs to be successful.

Now I HOPE I am wrong.

But I think the GB offense will not be very productive in terms of passing TDs.

So I might look somewhere else for a long-term replacement for Brees.

 

[sho nuff]

If he doesn't succeed out of the gate with what is around him, he never will. You should know within the 1st 3 weeks if he has it.

Phurfur, there are your expectations.

Definitely not, but no one including Rodgers expects him to play like Favre. If all QBs were given 3 weeks to prove themselves most pro teams would be running the option. Rodgers will be the starter until someone beats him out and I don't see that happening this year. I really think the biggest concern about Rodgers is his durability.

We both know why the option doesn't work in the NFL, but anyways. The real question about Rodgers should be everything. He hasn't proven anything at all. How will he be in a pressure situation, two minute drill, trailing, blitz, etc. Nobody knows the answers to this. Lack of durability is the only thing he has thus far proven.

Ummm...funny...he was under pressure and behind in the Dallas game and we saw how he handled it. You will claim that is a small sample size right? Well...so is what you are using to say he has proven a lack of durability (hint...he has not proven that really yet either).What he has shown is that he is not the deer in the headlights young kid that he was when he showed up in GB after being drafted...he has shown the coaches steady improvement each offseason and training camp and it showed in preseason last year, and in the only real game action he got last year.There is hope for him for sure...based on the weapons around him and the line in front of him being pretty good in pass protection. Not many are expecting him to light the world on fire...but thankfully Ted Thompson put together a Defense that won't make Rodgers have to do it all himself.

 

[sho nuff]

It is going to be a long year in GB this season.

Thanks for that dynamite observation...from the guy claiming Javon Walker is 100% ready to go...It will be a much easier year in GB than it will be in Oakland buddy.

 

[sho nuff]

It is going to be a long year in GB this season.

I think there are a couple of factors. First off this team is talented, but how do they bounce back from the disappointing loss in the NFC Championship game and deal with the loss of Favre.Secondly, they need some young guys to step it up. Yeh i'm talking to you AJ Hawk, Bigby, Jennings, Collidge. Not that these players are bad....they just need to take their games to the next level.Overall, the Oline and Dline are going to determine a lot on this team. The dline lose corey williams...how much will that effect them? The oline must continue to develop to help out a young skill position group.

I don't think the Dline will miss a beat with Williams if Jolly can come back ok. Between Jolly, Harrell, and Cole, they should be fine.Oline I agree...they have to continue to improve as they have done the past 2 seasons. This is pretty much year 3 all together and in the ZB scheme.

 

[sho nuff]

I think Rodgers' fantasy value will be limited.

Not because of him, but because of the rest of the team. Last season they had problems running the ball for a large part of the year. Many blamed the RBs since it changed when Grant came in, who then did fine. I think the problem is deeper, but that is besides the point of this thread.

Limited because of the rest of the team? That is a new one.Part of it was the RBs not being decisive and hitting the hole...as soon as Grant came in...did you see how much better they looked. In addition, IMO, the line has improved for the past 2 seasons now and is together again for the 3rd year (that is huge for having some continuity and basically having the interior guys in their 3rd year as starters at their positions...plus 3rd year of the blocking schemes).

I believe that defenses will not be hard pressed to stop their rushing game, putting Rodgers in 3rd and long situations too often, facing too many DBs to be successful.

Now I HOPE I am wrong.

But I think the GB offense will not be very productive in terms of passing TDs.

So I might look somewhere else for a long-term replacement for Brees.

Not sure why you think defenses will not be hard pressed to stop them from running the ball. Yes...like someone said above...Rodgers will have to show he is willing to go over the top to the intermediate and longer routes to open things up...I expect some screens thrown in more as well.

 

[bcr8f]

I believe that Rodgers has a ton of pressure on him.To fill in for a all time great like Favre...he will have expectations to play like him and it just won't happen.Rodgers will be deemed a success this season if he throws more TD's than INT's.This will be a large learning season for him. I expect him to break out with better numbers in 2009.

I don't agree. He's been there 3 years and has a lot of weapons around him. Packer fans real ones don't expect him to be Favre.

 

[Almas_4th_Child]

If he doesn't succeed out of the gate with what is around him, he never will. You should know within the 1st 3 weeks if he has it.

Phurfur, there are your expectations.

Definitely not, but no one including Rodgers expects him to play like Favre. If all QBs were given 3 weeks to prove themselves most pro teams would be running the option. Rodgers will be the starter until someone beats him out and I don't see that happening this year. I really think the biggest concern about Rodgers is his durability.

We both know why the option doesn't work in the NFL, but anyways. The real question about Rodgers should be everything. He hasn't proven anything at all. How will he be in a pressure situation, two minute drill, trailing, blitz, etc. Nobody knows the answers to this. Lack of durability is the only thing he has thus far proven.

Ummm...funny...he was under pressure and behind in the Dallas game and we saw how he handled it. You will claim that is a small sample size right? Well...so is what you are using to say he has proven a lack of durability (hint...he has not proven that really yet either).What he has shown is that he is not the deer in the headlights young kid that he was when he showed up in GB after being drafted...he has shown the coaches steady improvement each offseason and training camp and it showed in preseason last year, and in the only real game action he got last year.There is hope for him for sure...based on the weapons around him and the line in front of him being pretty good in pass protection. Not many are expecting him to light the world on fire...but thankfully Ted Thompson put together a Defense that won't make Rodgers have to do it all himself.

One half vs Dallas.....he is going to be great. Come on. Rob Johnson had like 3 good games with the Jaguars, that led the Bills to ship a 1st round pick for him too.He has been injured twice in the very limited time playing the past couple of season. Broken ankle and hamstring injury.

 

[identikit]

If he doesn't succeed out of the gate with what is around him, he never will. You should know within the 1st 3 weeks if he has it.

Phurfur, there are your expectations.

Definitely not, but no one including Rodgers expects him to play like Favre. If all QBs were given 3 weeks to prove themselves most pro teams would be running the option. Rodgers will be the starter until someone beats him out and I don't see that happening this year. I really think the biggest concern about Rodgers is his durability.

We both know why the option doesn't work in the NFL, but anyways. The real question about Rodgers should be everything. He hasn't proven anything at all. How will he be in a pressure situation, two minute drill, trailing, blitz, etc. Nobody knows the answers to this. Lack of durability is the only thing he has thus far proven.

Ummm...funny...he was under pressure and behind in the Dallas game and we saw how he handled it. You will claim that is a small sample size right? Well...so is what you are using to say he has proven a lack of durability (hint...he has not proven that really yet either).What he has shown is that he is not the deer in the headlights young kid that he was when he showed up in GB after being drafted...he has shown the coaches steady improvement each offseason and training camp and it showed in preseason last year, and in the only real game action he got last year.There is hope for him for sure...based on the weapons around him and the line in front of him being pretty good in pass protection. Not many are expecting him to light the world on fire...but thankfully Ted Thompson put together a Defense that won't make Rodgers have to do it all himself.

One half vs Dallas.....he is going to be great. Come on. Rob Johnson had like 3 good games with the Jaguars, that led the Bills to ship a 1st round pick for him too.He has been injured twice in the very limited time playing the past couple of season. Broken ankle and hamstring injury.

Rodgers is currently better than any Bears qb, FWIW. And has a better surrounding cast on offense than the Bears crew.So keep running him down, Bears

 

[Almas_4th_Child]

If he doesn't succeed out of the gate with what is around him, he never will. You should know within the 1st 3 weeks if he has it.

Phurfur, there are your expectations.

Definitely not, but no one including Rodgers expects him to play like Favre. If all QBs were given 3 weeks to prove themselves most pro teams would be running the option. Rodgers will be the starter until someone beats him out and I don't see that happening this year. I really think the biggest concern about Rodgers is his durability.

We both know why the option doesn't work in the NFL, but anyways. The real question about Rodgers should be everything. He hasn't proven anything at all. How will he be in a pressure situation, two minute drill, trailing, blitz, etc. Nobody knows the answers to this. Lack of durability is the only thing he has thus far proven.

Ummm...funny...he was under pressure and behind in the Dallas game and we saw how he handled it. You will claim that is a small sample size right? Well...so is what you are using to say he has proven a lack of durability (hint...he has not proven that really yet either).What he has shown is that he is not the deer in the headlights young kid that he was when he showed up in GB after being drafted...he has shown the coaches steady improvement each offseason and training camp and it showed in preseason last year, and in the only real game action he got last year.There is hope for him for sure...based on the weapons around him and the line in front of him being pretty good in pass protection. Not many are expecting him to light the world on fire...but thankfully Ted Thompson put together a Defense that won't make Rodgers have to do it all himself.

One half vs Dallas.....he is going to be great. Come on. Rob Johnson had like 3 good games with the Jaguars, that led the Bills to ship a 1st round pick for him too.He has been injured twice in the very limited time playing the past couple of season. Broken ankle and hamstring injury.

Rodgers is currently better than any Bears qb, FWIW. And has a better surrounding cast on offense than the Bears crew.So keep running him down, Bears

First off, I am not a Bears or even fan...haha.Secondly, we don't know if Rodgers is any better than Craig Nall or Kyle Orton.Lastly, their skill positions are better than the bears. So great post.

 

[identikit]

If he doesn't succeed out of the gate with what is around him, he never will. You should know within the 1st 3 weeks if he has it.

Phurfur, there are your expectations.

Definitely not, but no one including Rodgers expects him to play like Favre.

If all QBs were given 3 weeks to prove themselves most pro teams would be running the option. Rodgers will be the starter until someone beats him out and I don't see that happening this year. I really think the biggest concern about Rodgers is his durability.

We both know why the option doesn't work in the NFL, but anyways. The real question about Rodgers should be everything. He hasn't proven anything at all. How will he be in a pressure situation, two minute drill, trailing, blitz, etc. Nobody knows the answers to this. Lack of durability is the only thing he has thus far proven.

Ummm...funny...he was under pressure and behind in the Dallas game and we saw how he handled it. You will claim that is a small sample size right? Well...so is what you are using to say he has proven a lack of durability (hint...he has not proven that really yet either).What he has shown is that he is not the deer in the headlights young kid that he was when he showed up in GB after being drafted...he has shown the coaches steady improvement each offseason and training camp and it showed in preseason last year, and in the only real game action he got last year.

There is hope for him for sure...based on the weapons around him and the line in front of him being pretty good in pass protection. Not many are expecting him to light the world on fire...but thankfully Ted Thompson put together a Defense that won't make Rodgers have to do it all himself.

One half vs Dallas.....he is going to be great. Come on. Rob Johnson had like 3 good games with the Jaguars, that led the Bills to ship a 1st round pick for him too.He has been injured twice in the very limited time playing the past couple of season. Broken ankle and hamstring injury.

Rodgers is currently better than any Bears qb, FWIW. And has a better surrounding cast on offense than the Bears crew.So keep running him down, Bears

First off, I am not a Bears or even fan...haha.Secondly, we don't know if Rodgers is any better than Craig Nall or Kyle Orton.

Lastly, their skill positions are better than the bears. So great post.

Anything you say, Benson Forte_Will_Lead_The_Way

 

[sho nuff]

If he doesn't succeed out of the gate with what is around him, he never will. You should know within the 1st 3 weeks if he has it.

Phurfur, there are your expectations.

Definitely not, but no one including Rodgers expects him to play like Favre. If all QBs were given 3 weeks to prove themselves most pro teams would be running the option. Rodgers will be the starter until someone beats him out and I don't see that happening this year. I really think the biggest concern about Rodgers is his durability.

We both know why the option doesn't work in the NFL, but anyways. The real question about Rodgers should be everything. He hasn't proven anything at all. How will he be in a pressure situation, two minute drill, trailing, blitz, etc. Nobody knows the answers to this. Lack of durability is the only thing he has thus far proven.

Ummm...funny...he was under pressure and behind in the Dallas game and we saw how he handled it. You will claim that is a small sample size right? Well...so is what you are using to say he has proven a lack of durability (hint...he has not proven that really yet either).What he has shown is that he is not the deer in the headlights young kid that he was when he showed up in GB after being drafted...he has shown the coaches steady improvement each offseason and training camp and it showed in preseason last year, and in the only real game action he got last year.There is hope for him for sure...based on the weapons around him and the line in front of him being pretty good in pass protection. Not many are expecting him to light the world on fire...but thankfully Ted Thompson put together a Defense that won't make Rodgers have to do it all himself.

One half vs Dallas.....he is going to be great. Come on. Rob Johnson had like 3 good games with the Jaguars, that led the Bills to ship a 1st round pick for him too.He has been injured twice in the very limited time playing the past couple of season. Broken ankle and hamstring injury.

Where did I say he was going to be great? Oh wait...you cannot find where I did.And it was a broken foot (and he finished the game on that foot)...the Hammy was not even in the Dallas game, but in practice the next week.Like I said...there is no more proof that he will be great than there is that he lacks total durability...the sample size is too small to really project that result.

 

[sho nuff]

First off, I am not a Bears or even fan...haha.Secondly, we don't know if Rodgers is any better than Craig Nall or Kyle Orton.Lastly, their skill positions are better than the bears. So great post.

I think we do know that he is better than Craig Nall based on him being on the team while Nall was unemployed...and him being the starter now while Nall is again unemployed.

 

[Almas_4th_Child]

First off, I am not a Bears or even fan...haha.Secondly, we don't know if Rodgers is any better than Craig Nall or Kyle Orton.Lastly, their skill positions are better than the bears. So great post.

I think we do know that he is better than Craig Nall based on him being on the team while Nall was unemployed...and him being the starter now while Nall is again unemployed.

Most young QB's struggle....look at Leinart with Fitz and Boldin....the best combo in the league.I just look for Rodgers to struggle this season, with the 2009 season to show what kind of QB he can be.

 

[sho nuff]

First off, I am not a Bears or even fan...haha.Secondly, we don't know if Rodgers is any better than Craig Nall or Kyle Orton.Lastly, their skill positions are better than the bears. So great post.

I think we do know that he is better than Craig Nall based on him being on the team while Nall was unemployed...and him being the starter now while Nall is again unemployed.

Most young QB's struggle....look at Leinart with Fitz and Boldin....the best combo in the league.I just look for Rodgers to struggle this season, with the 2009 season to show what kind of QB he can be.

Did Leinart sit behind a HOFer and inherit a team that went to the nfc title game the year before he took over?

 

[Almas_4th_Child]

First off, I am not a Bears or even fan...haha.Secondly, we don't know if Rodgers is any better than Craig Nall or Kyle Orton.Lastly, their skill positions are better than the bears. So great post.

I think we do know that he is better than Craig Nall based on him being on the team while Nall was unemployed...and him being the starter now while Nall is again unemployed.

Most young QB's struggle....look at Leinart with Fitz and Boldin....the best combo in the league.I just look for Rodgers to struggle this season, with the 2009 season to show what kind of QB he can be.

Did Leinart sit behind a HOFer and inherit a team that went to the nfc title game the year before he took over?

Warner could make the HOF, but Favre is the biggest reason they made it to that game.

 

[sho nuff]

First off, I am not a Bears or even fan...haha.Secondly, we don't know if Rodgers is any better than Craig Nall or Kyle Orton.Lastly, their skill positions are better than the bears. So great post.

I think we do know that he is better than Craig Nall based on him being on the team while Nall was unemployed...and him being the starter now while Nall is again unemployed.

Most young QB's struggle....look at Leinart with Fitz and Boldin....the best combo in the league.I just look for Rodgers to struggle this season, with the 2009 season to show what kind of QB he can be.

Did Leinart sit behind a HOFer and inherit a team that went to the nfc title game the year before he took over?

Warner could make the HOF, but Favre is the biggest reason they made it to that game.

Warner will not make the HOF.Yes...Favre was a big reason, nobody is denying that...but the defense and the rest of the offense were also big reasons they were in that game.The point is...Rodgers is stepping into a completely different and better situation than Leinart did..

 

[Almas_4th_Child]

First off, I am not a Bears or even fan...haha.Secondly, we don't know if Rodgers is any better than Craig Nall or Kyle Orton.Lastly, their skill positions are better than the bears. So great post.

I think we do know that he is better than Craig Nall based on him being on the team while Nall was unemployed...and him being the starter now while Nall is again unemployed.

Most young QB's struggle....look at Leinart with Fitz and Boldin....the best combo in the league.I just look for Rodgers to struggle this season, with the 2009 season to show what kind of QB he can be.

Did Leinart sit behind a HOFer and inherit a team that went to the nfc title game the year before he took over?

Warner could make the HOF, but Favre is the biggest reason they made it to that game.

Warner will not make the HOF.Yes...Favre was a big reason, nobody is denying that...but the defense and the rest of the offense were also big reasons they were in that game.The point is...Rodgers is stepping into a completely different and better situation than Leinart did..

Yes that is the point....b/c there is more pressure in a defending NFC North and NFC championship reaching team....than a team that is a perenial loser, that is my point. Yes or no?And for the Dline to be alright....they need to have Harrell get into gear.

 

[Todem]

It is going to be a long year in GB this season.

Thanks for that dynamite observation...from the guy claiming Javon Walker is 100% ready to go...It will be a much easier year in GB than it will be in Oakland buddy.

Um...let's see...yeah Rodgers...first year starting (I could care less how long he has been charting plays and carrying a clip board). Replacing Favre will be very hard. That team will take a big step back. Teams are licking their chops at the sight of a first year starter with how many regular season starts under his belt? Yeah that's what I thought, zero.And yes Walker is 100% ready to play this season. I think the Raiders medical staff checked him out before Al wrote a fat up front check. Keep drinking that Rodgers Kool Aide along with Ryan Grant and Jennings (who is a great talent at WR but now in a ?? situation).

 

[sho nuff]

Yes that is the point....b/c there is more pressure in a defending NFC North and NFC championship reaching team....than a team that is a perenial loser, that is my point. Yes or no?And for the Dline to be alright....they need to have Harrell get into gear.

Sure...there is more pressure...but that perennial loser is a loser for a reason. Because they are not nearly as good of a team as GB is.Either Harrell or Jolly come back strong from his injury. Same with Cole.or hope one of the DE's steps up and they can move Jenkins into the middle (where he may be more for 3rd downs with KGB at DE).Plenty of things to rotate on that line...its one of the least of my concerns.

 

[sho nuff]

It is going to be a long year in GB this season.

Thanks for that dynamite observation...from the guy claiming Javon Walker is 100% ready to go...It will be a much easier year in GB than it will be in Oakland buddy.

Um...let's see...yeah Rodgers...first year starting (I could care less how long he has been charting plays and carrying a clip board). Replacing Favre will be very hard. That team will take a big step back. Teams are licking their chops at the sight of a first year starter with how many regular season starts under his belt? Yeah that's what I thought, zero.And yes Walker is 100% ready to play this season. I think the Raiders medical staff checked him out before Al wrote a fat up front check. Keep drinking that Rodgers Kool Aide along with Ryan Grant and Jennings (who is a great talent at WR but now in a ?? situation).

Im glad you could care less how long he has been learning how to play the pro game. I think it will make a big difference when the season starts between what he does and what Russell does this year.Replacing Favre will be tough...but so will playing QB for the Oakland Raiders (they draft that high so often for a reason).Big step back? Define big? I think they still win 10 games this year and possibly win the division.Teams are licking their chops to go after him and go one on one with Driver, Jones, and Jennings? I hope so. Blitz all you want, thats why the Packers have 2 very good Tackles to take care of those ends.Denver's medical staff checked him out too...again, how did that end up for them?Rodger's kool-aid? What have I said about him that is all that much kool-aid? That he will not struggle nearly as bad as you think? That he has a very good supporting cast? That he has a defense to back him up so he does not have to do as much on his own?Grant? That he is a good back in a good situation?What have I said about Jennings? That he likely won't see 12 TDs this year? Yeah...this kool-aid is good. And I would not call being the #2 poised to eventually be the #1 in GB a ?? situation. He looked just fine hauling in a Rodgers pass for a nice score against Dallas.

 

[Almas_4th_Child]

Yes that is the point....b/c there is more pressure in a defending NFC North and NFC championship reaching team....than a team that is a perenial loser, that is my point. Yes or no?And for the Dline to be alright....they need to have Harrell get into gear.

Sure...there is more pressure...but that perennial loser is a loser for a reason. Because they are not nearly as good of a team as GB is.Either Harrell or Jolly come back strong from his injury. Same with Cole.or hope one of the DE's steps up and they can move Jenkins into the middle (where he may be more for 3rd downs with KGB at DE).Plenty of things to rotate on that line...its one of the least of my concerns.

They are generally a perennial loser because of QB play. Look at the losing franchises...detriot, arizona, miami(still struggling since marino), oakland, 49ers....its all QB play. GB struggled before Favre got there as well.I think Jenkins should be moved back inside on passing downs, that is where he could excel.

 

[sho nuff]

Yes that is the point....b/c there is more pressure in a defending NFC North and NFC championship reaching team....than a team that is a perenial loser, that is my point. Yes or no?And for the Dline to be alright....they need to have Harrell get into gear.

Sure...there is more pressure...but that perennial loser is a loser for a reason. Because they are not nearly as good of a team as GB is.Either Harrell or Jolly come back strong from his injury. Same with Cole.or hope one of the DE's steps up and they can move Jenkins into the middle (where he may be more for 3rd downs with KGB at DE).Plenty of things to rotate on that line...its one of the least of my concerns.

They are generally a perennial loser because of QB play. Look at the losing franchises...detriot, arizona, miami(still struggling since marino), oakland, 49ers....its all QB play. GB struggled before Favre got there as well.I think Jenkins should be moved back inside on passing downs, that is where he could excel.

Because of QB play?They have had plenty of issues with WRs, RBs, Oline, Defense...and so on (crappy ownership is a good start as well)GB struggled before Ron Wolf got there and put together a team...starting on the player side with Favre.Several things aided in the building of those teams by Wolf...Reggie White coming in, Favre, Holmgren...the advent of the Salary Cap and free agency as we know it today really helped GB build back up.To ever say it is all QB play is completely foolish and ignorant IMO.GB's struggles in the 80s were not because of QB play alone. Dickey actually played the hell out of that position...the defense was awful.

 

[Almas_4th_Child]

Yes that is the point....b/c there is more pressure in a defending NFC North and NFC championship reaching team....than a team that is a perenial loser, that is my point. Yes or no?And for the Dline to be alright....they need to have Harrell get into gear.

Sure...there is more pressure...but that perennial loser is a loser for a reason. Because they are not nearly as good of a team as GB is.Either Harrell or Jolly come back strong from his injury. Same with Cole.or hope one of the DE's steps up and they can move Jenkins into the middle (where he may be more for 3rd downs with KGB at DE).Plenty of things to rotate on that line...its one of the least of my concerns.

They are generally a perennial loser because of QB play. Look at the losing franchises...detriot, arizona, miami(still struggling since marino), oakland, 49ers....its all QB play. GB struggled before Favre got there as well.I think Jenkins should be moved back inside on passing downs, that is where he could excel.

Because of QB play?They have had plenty of issues with WRs, RBs, Oline, Defense...and so on (crappy ownership is a good start as well)GB struggled before Ron Wolf got there and put together a team...starting on the player side with Favre.Several things aided in the building of those teams by Wolf...Reggie White coming in, Favre, Holmgren...the advent of the Salary Cap and free agency as we know it today really helped GB build back up.To ever say it is all QB play is completely foolish and ignorant IMO.GB's struggles in the 80s were not because of QB play alone. Dickey actually played the hell out of that position...the defense was awful.

Then if its not QB play why has their been a QB drafted in the top 3 in the NFL draft for 8 years in a row? QB is the single most important position in sports....period!To be successful without a good to great QB. A team must be outstanding in almost every other facet of the game. See Ravens, Bucs, Bears,SD(altho Rivers is developing).