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I was thinking the same thing after I saw the Hawks signed Peterson. They still have money left but they can't throw a big fat bonus at him the first year and carry that salary under the cap. Plus Seattle still needs a CB and a WR if the Vikings match for Burleson. It's not out of the realm of possibilities, but I see it much less likely now that Seattle would want him given the circumstances.
Not to mention Peterson is often referred to across the league as a "pass rushing" LB.Seattle has signed their impact defensive player. Look for them to pony up for a OL, WR, or DB
No, I'm sure there will be a swap-back on the part of the Jets. I do think it's reasonable for the Jets to insist on not only 1st-round value, but also an actual 1st-round pick. This deal is being held up by Atlanat, imo - if they were willing to move something of value (Schaub or the 1st rounder) a deal would have been struck. But they're playing games, seeing if they can get Abraham on the cheap. While nobody thinks that Abe>1.15, everyone believes that Abe>2.15.
They aren't necessarily trying to "get him on the cheap", they are just being smart and trying to work it without giving up Schaub or the 1st round pick. Schaub is too good of a QB and costs them nothing against the cap to give up. And the 1st round pick could provide them with a great young RB this year...Moroney, Lendale White, or DeAngelo Williams! So they will press getting all 3 and see if the Jets blink!
It's been reported that McKay has offered the 2.15 + player to the Jets. Although the player offered is unknown, speculation is that it was TJ Duckett.The Jets turned down that offer.
I'm not saying the Falcons are doing anything wrong by trying to get Abe for cheap - obviously, giving up as little as possible is in the best interest of the Falcons. That said, I think that the Falcons, by all accounts, are offering less than market value. Even a 2nd-rounder + TJ Duckett is a bad offer, given that Duckett's value on the trade market is a 2nd-day pick.
1. I've speculated on the TJ offer, but let's be honest, all we have is rumors of what the offers were.2. I don't think Burleson is relevant to this conversation - I don't think it's such a big deal to trade away tow first-day picks if you're getting value back. I also think that if Burleson precludes Abraham, Seattle would have worked a lot harder on Abraham before abandoning him for Burleson. I think Seattle's offer remains, and that they're gambling that Atlanta will walk away.
It'n not strictly about Burleson and the #3.Don't forget the Peterson signning (he is suited to play the pass rushing DE position)
It still seems like the Falcons have all the leverage; they seem prepared to move forward whether the Jets budge or not. It seems the Jets have a very disgruntled player and are in a situation where they have to move him and the only viable option (according to the player) is Atlanta.
I can see Seattle upping their offer for Abraham to sign. Abraham hasn't kicked Seattle in the mouth. I can respect Abraham for wanting to play in Atlanta for less money to be closer to home.
Or give him away for garbage like his predecessor. I would rather my GM takes back an unhappy star player than give him away for a lowball offer. No egg on the JEts face unless they allow themselves to get bullied into a deal by Abe or Atlanta. Not going to happen with this regime!
Again.... the new management team of the Jets have to establish that they won't cave in, and they aren't about to let a player, any player, dictate terms to them. If they did, they would make things very difficult for themselves in the LONG term. If that means keeping Abraham, they will. Rather than egg on their face, they will have established their credibility and authority.... which has so far been seriously questioned around the league due to their ages and inexperience. They know that.... and THAT is why they will hold ground on this.
Another year with a great football player (I'll quote Blank). That's some egg. So, he is unhappy with his contract. Big deal. Half of the NFL is unhappy with their contract. Poor, poor Abe. He says he got treated like dirt.
He only got paid $7 million last year and only $8 mm this year.
So what you're telling me is if you threw John Abraham amongst the pool of college players that will be available at 15 overall ... the Falcs wouldn't draft Abraham?I'm not saying the Jets will or even should get the 15th overall for him ... but he is definitely worth it.HTH.
He's not worth the 15th overall chocie - that should be sort of obvious. Though his level of play is worth that choice, his age is not. Normally, you get the five years from 22-27 when you draft someone. Abraham is 28, and nobody expects he will be as productive at 31 as he was at 25.
I don't understand the trade off here. We are talking about 15 spots in the draft, why won't they pull the trigger on this? And what is the message that the Jets are sending to their players? We are going to play hardball and do exactly what we want regardless of what the players want. This should create some harmony given the recent release of Mawae, Kendall et al, in addition to asking Pennington to take an 8 million dollar paycut because he got hurt.
You have to give up the 15th pick AND sign him to a big deal.
(Scuze if quotes are wrong)Abe is probably worth the 1st pick in the draft at first glance never mind the 15th, he's a proven defensive star(albeit debatable to some). However, teams have to pay him and paying him is a serious hit against our cap. It restricts whom else you can sign. Also, IIRC the guy sat for a playoff game or late season game with a minor injury(weak?) yet played hurt thru an early season game(tough?) so...he's a little weird. He's not one with a TO type attitude but he does, in a way, seem to have his own agenda at times.
The major problem with both of the above statements, is that the Jets themselves have established Abraham's worth as being the 31st pick.The Jets kind of shot themselves in the foot, as far as trying to hold Atlanta hostage for the 15th pick, when they've already publicly made it known that they're willing to accept the 31st pick for Abraham.
AbsolutelyRemember all the Jet cuts not long ago? A friend of mine was saying, why didn't they just package someone with Abe before the deadline? I completely agree with his line of thinking but can't decide if it's too FF like and unrealistic in the NFL world. For example, Mawae and Abe for a 1st round pick?
What happens if Abraham stays a Jet this year, but next year they can't Franchise him again due to the cap, or needing the Franchise tag for another player and Abraham walks away as a UFA.If that happens, the new Jets FO will look like a bunch of incompetent boobs, who are in way over their heads.Another year with a great football player (I'll quote Blank). That's some egg. So, he is unhappy with his contract. Big deal. Half of the NFL is unhappy with their contract. Poor, poor Abe. He says he got treated like dirt.
Sure, and To can blow up in any number of coaches faces and make them and their FOs look like incompetent boobs. Or you can burn a pick on Maurice Clarett and look like an idiot, or maybe you take your chances on Onterrio Smith and his paraphernelia. There are lots of ways to look stupid, and many of them don't require you to be incompetent or in over your head.I think everyone agrees that Abe's market value is a late 1st-rounder. I don't think the Jets expect Atlanta to give 1.15 straight up for Abe - I'm assuming the Jets will give something back for 1.15. The Jets might even take 2.15 & 3.15 if that's offered (which, based on pick value is very close to Seattle's offer). But they're not going to take a 2nd rounder just b/c Abe likes Atlanta more than he likes Seattle. I think we all agree that if Atlanta pulled their offer, Abraham's agent would be talking to Seattle immediately (and might end up having to take less money too). SO the Jets are sitting back and waiting, figuring that Atlanta will either sweeten the deal or walk away. Either one works for the Jets - what doesn't work for the Jets is Seattle walking away. Still, I don't see that happening, since Seattle is trying to win this year, and would much prefer Abraham to the 31st-best rookie, who is not going to be as good a pass-rusher as Abe.What happens if Abraham stays a Jet this year, but next year they can't Franchise him again due to the cap, or needing the Franchise tag for another player and Abraham walks away as a UFA.If that happens, the new Jets FO will look like a bunch of incompetent boobs, who are in way over their heads.Another year with a great football player (I'll quote Blank). That's some egg. So, he is unhappy with his contract. Big deal. Half of the NFL is unhappy with their contract. Poor, poor Abe. He says he got treated like dirt.
Seems like wishful thinking on your part. They will have the cap to tag him again, and they will. They would only need another 4 mil next year to tag him again. There isn't a core player up for FA next year, so no need to save the tag for someone else.... you are now grasping at straws. The Jets have laid down the law.... JA for a first rounder or go away. What part of this escapes you? It's really quite simple.What happens if Abraham stays a Jet this year, but next year they can't Franchise him again due to the cap, or needing the Franchise tag for another player and Abraham walks away as a UFA.If that happens, the new Jets FO will look like a bunch of incompetent boobs, who are in way over their heads.Another year with a great football player (I'll quote Blank). That's some egg. So, he is unhappy with his contract. Big deal. Half of the NFL is unhappy with their contract. Poor, poor Abe. He says he got treated like dirt.
Rovers,If you're privvy to all of the contract restructuring that cleared $$$ of the books for this years cap and how those restructured contracts with the $$$ being pushed back will play into next years cap, along with the rookie contracts yet to be signed, then I agree, the Jets will be in fine cap shape next year.Seems like wishful thinking on your part. They will have the cap to tag him again, and they will. They would only need another 4 mil next year to tag him again. There isn't a core player up for FA next year, so no need to save the tag for someone else.... you are now grasping at straws. The Jets have laid down the law.... JA for a first rounder or go away. What part of this escapes you? It's really quite simple.What happens if Abraham stays a Jet this year, but next year they can't Franchise him again due to the cap, or needing the Franchise tag for another player and Abraham walks away as a UFA.If that happens, the new Jets FO will look like a bunch of incompetent boobs, who are in way over their heads.Another year with a great football player (I'll quote Blank). That's some egg. So, he is unhappy with his contract. Big deal. Half of the NFL is unhappy with their contract. Poor, poor Abe. He says he got treated like dirt.
For anyone that thinks there is little difference between Seattle's 1st round pick and Atlanta's second.... you obviously don't follow the draft, or understand that the Jets need a quality O lineman early.... and the quality of O lineman available between the two picks could be very big.
Agree w/ this on all points. J! E! T! S! JETS JETS JETSSure, and To can blow up in any number of coaches faces and make them and their FOs look like incompetent boobs. Or you can burn a pick on Maurice Clarett and look like an idiot, or maybe you take your chances on Onterrio Smith and his paraphernelia. There are lots of ways to look stupid, and many of them don't require you to be incompetent or in over your head.I think everyone agrees that Abe's market value is a late 1st-rounder. I don't think the Jets expect Atlanta to give 1.15 straight up for Abe - I'm assuming the Jets will give something back for 1.15. The Jets might even take 2.15 & 3.15 if that's offered (which, based on pick value is very close to Seattle's offer). But they're not going to take a 2nd rounder just b/c Abe likes Atlanta more than he likes Seattle. I think we all agree that if Atlanta pulled their offer, Abraham's agent would be talking to Seattle immediately (and might end up having to take less money too). SO the Jets are sitting back and waiting, figuring that Atlanta will either sweeten the deal or walk away. Either one works for the Jets - what doesn't work for the Jets is Seattle walking away. Still, I don't see that happening, since Seattle is trying to win this year, and would much prefer Abraham to the 31st-best rookie, who is not going to be as good a pass-rusher as Abe.What happens if Abraham stays a Jet this year, but next year they can't Franchise him again due to the cap, or needing the Franchise tag for another player and Abraham walks away as a UFA.If that happens, the new Jets FO will look like a bunch of incompetent boobs, who are in way over their heads.Another year with a great football player (I'll quote Blank). That's some egg. So, he is unhappy with his contract. Big deal. Half of the NFL is unhappy with their contract. Poor, poor Abe. He says he got treated like dirt.
Well, they didn't screw it up.... They got the first round pick they wanted. They would have liked a higher pick, but the bottom line is.... they got the first rounder.Rovers,If you're privvy to all of the contract restructuring that cleared $$$ of the books for this years cap and how those restructured contracts with the $$$ being pushed back will play into next years cap, along with the rookie contracts yet to be signed, then I agree, the Jets will be in fine cap shape next year.Seems like wishful thinking on your part. They will have the cap to tag him again, and they will. They would only need another 4 mil next year to tag him again. There isn't a core player up for FA next year, so no need to save the tag for someone else.... you are now grasping at straws. The Jets have laid down the law.... JA for a first rounder or go away. What part of this escapes you? It's really quite simple.What happens if Abraham stays a Jet this year, but next year they can't Franchise him again due to the cap, or needing the Franchise tag for another player and Abraham walks away as a UFA.If that happens, the new Jets FO will look like a bunch of incompetent boobs, who are in way over their heads.Another year with a great football player (I'll quote Blank). That's some egg. So, he is unhappy with his contract. Big deal. Half of the NFL is unhappy with their contract. Poor, poor Abe. He says he got treated like dirt.
For anyone that thinks there is little difference between Seattle's 1st round pick and Atlanta's second.... you obviously don't follow the draft, or understand that the Jets need a quality O lineman early.... and the quality of O lineman available between the two picks could be very big.
However if you don't have that information, I'm not sure how you can be certain of the Jets cap situation next year.
As far as not needing the Franchise Tag next year for core player aside from Abraham, I'll take your word on it.
If the Jets are laying down the law of a 1st rounder for Abraham or go away, then they'll have to be satisfied with the 31st pick. Abraham is simply not worth the 15th pick. What part of this escapes you? It's really quite simple.
I'd say Jets have really got to be hoping that Seattle still has an interest in Abraham after the signnings of DT's Rocky Bernard, Russell Davis & LB Julian Peterson who can fill the pass rushing DE role.
If Seattle pulls out of the Abraham sweepstakes, the Jets will have to be happy with paying $8 million dollars to a player they don't really want and who is likely to be a headache for them, considering how the Jets have been stringing him along the last couple of years.
Personally I don't really care where Abraham goes, or if he stays with the Jets. I just hope they don't screw it up.
Yep, this worked out well for both the Jets & Falcons.Well, they didn't screw it up.... They got the first round pick they wanted. They would have liked a higher pick, but the bottom line is.... they got the first rounder.Rovers,If you're privvy to all of the contract restructuring that cleared $$$ of the books for this years cap and how those restructured contracts with the $$$ being pushed back will play into next years cap, along with the rookie contracts yet to be signed, then I agree, the Jets will be in fine cap shape next year.Seems like wishful thinking on your part. They will have the cap to tag him again, and they will. They would only need another 4 mil next year to tag him again. There isn't a core player up for FA next year, so no need to save the tag for someone else.... you are now grasping at straws. The Jets have laid down the law.... JA for a first rounder or go away. What part of this escapes you? It's really quite simple.What happens if Abraham stays a Jet this year, but next year they can't Franchise him again due to the cap, or needing the Franchise tag for another player and Abraham walks away as a UFA.If that happens, the new Jets FO will look like a bunch of incompetent boobs, who are in way over their heads.Another year with a great football player (I'll quote Blank). That's some egg. So, he is unhappy with his contract. Big deal. Half of the NFL is unhappy with their contract. Poor, poor Abe. He says he got treated like dirt.
For anyone that thinks there is little difference between Seattle's 1st round pick and Atlanta's second.... you obviously don't follow the draft, or understand that the Jets need a quality O lineman early.... and the quality of O lineman available between the two picks could be very big.
However if you don't have that information, I'm not sure how you can be certain of the Jets cap situation next year.
As far as not needing the Franchise Tag next year for core player aside from Abraham, I'll take your word on it.
If the Jets are laying down the law of a 1st rounder for Abraham or go away, then they'll have to be satisfied with the 31st pick. Abraham is simply not worth the 15th pick. What part of this escapes you? It's really quite simple.
I'd say Jets have really got to be hoping that Seattle still has an interest in Abraham after the signnings of DT's Rocky Bernard, Russell Davis & LB Julian Peterson who can fill the pass rushing DE role.
If Seattle pulls out of the Abraham sweepstakes, the Jets will have to be happy with paying $8 million dollars to a player they don't really want and who is likely to be a headache for them, considering how the Jets have been stringing him along the last couple of years.
Personally I don't really care where Abraham goes, or if he stays with the Jets. I just hope they don't screw it up.
Maybe the Jets didn't get the Falcons 15th like they wanted, but they still got a 1st and it was 2 spots higher than what the Seahawks offered. 
Dude you are full of crap.The Broncos gave up their 29th pick, this year's third, and 2007 fourth rounder to move up to #15. Using the draft chart they received in value 1050. Their 29th pick and 93rd have a value of (640+128)=768. No way the Broncos finish 15th or worst in the league so their 2007 4th rounder has a maximum value of 70 in a draft class that is considered worse then this year for a total of 838 (which is equivalent to the 20-21st pick...NOT THE 15TH!!!They gained over 212 value points by taking advantage of Atlanta's stubbornnes to aquire Abraham.THEY RAPED ATLANTA!!
