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Addai after game one (1 Viewer)

FOr the record I think Brown is the superior RB.But I am not about to say that Addai lacks passion or Brown has more.
Addai may play with passion, but IMO Brown plays with more. He plays harder than Addai.
I think you are substituting the emotional concept of passion (after all it is only a word) for tangible physical ability.We are not arguing at cross purposes here. I agree that Brown looks, to me, to be more physically gifted but that speaks nothing about either players desire or hear or passion (or whatever concept you wish to apply to the case).
Again, I see passion with his play, not just ability. No sense splitting hairs here.
 
FOr the record I think Brown is the superior RB.But I am not about to say that Addai lacks passion or Brown has more.
Addai may play with passion, but IMO Brown plays with more. He plays harder than Addai.
I think you are substituting the emotional concept of passion (after all it is only a word) for tangible physical ability.We are not arguing at cross purposes here. I agree that Brown looks, to me, to be more physically gifted but that speaks nothing about either players desire or hear or passion (or whatever concept you wish to apply to the case).
Again, I see passion with his play, not just ability. No sense splitting hairs here.
It is far more than splitting hairs but I am willing to let it go.
 
I have both on one roster, neither on any of the others. And for goodness sake I thought we had some football people in here. Addai stepped inside to block another rusher who got free, which was his job. It's easier to avoid an outside rusher by stepping into the pocket than an inside rusher that gets through. It didn't matter which lineman Addai blocked, one of them was going to get Manning.Anyone with any objectivity would say neither RB looked bad at all. Like I said, until late in the game Addai looked better, that's not discounting the run, it's just a statement of fact. I am of the opinion Addai also would have scored in that play, but that's opinion.Anyone trying to make a case that Brown is the better RB after either game is far short of a substantive case. The only ones who would even try are Addai hatred or Brown owners. Neither are objective.
-Addai stepping in to block the inside pass rusher was the correct move. I agree.
That is completely incorrect. First of all the running back ONLY chips inside when directed by the center prior to the snap. The way the blocking scheme played out it shows that was not the case. Seconds, the Dolphins ran a stunt where the tackle left inside to rush from the end in order to overwhelm the blitzing side. The tackle played the play correctly and picked him up. Under this case the RB's ONLY priority is to pick up the blitz. Addai missread it and Manning got killed. This type of error will get a player in deep poo with the coaches and the QB.
 
So Addai ran without passion, and still averaged 5.33 a carry. Must be a ton of Brown owners in here. Seeing this from the outside, not owning any, it seems morepeople are reaching to prove Brown did well vs Addai doing well.

 
I have both on one roster, neither on any of the others. And for goodness sake I thought we had some football people in here. Addai stepped inside to block another rusher who got free, which was his job. It's easier to avoid an outside rusher by stepping into the pocket than an inside rusher that gets through. It didn't matter which lineman Addai blocked, one of them was going to get Manning.Anyone with any objectivity would say neither RB looked bad at all. Like I said, until late in the game Addai looked better, that's not discounting the run, it's just a statement of fact. I am of the opinion Addai also would have scored in that play, but that's opinion.Anyone trying to make a case that Brown is the better RB after either game is far short of a substantive case. The only ones who would even try are Addai hatred or Brown owners. Neither are objective.
-Addai stepping in to block the inside pass rusher was the correct move. I agree.
That is completely incorrect. First of all the running back ONLY chips inside when directed by the center prior to the snap. The way the blocking scheme played out it shows that was not the case. Seconds, the Dolphins ran a stunt where the tackle left inside to rush from the end in order to overwhelm the blitzing side. The tackle played the play correctly and picked him up. Under this case the RB's ONLY priority is to pick up the blitz. Addai missread it and Manning got killed. This type of error will get a player in deep poo with the coaches and the QB.
you've never played organized football, I take it. I say this because you made a number of incorrect statements above.
 
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So Addai ran without passion, and still averaged 5.33 a carry. Must be a ton of Brown owners in here. Seeing this from the outside, not owning any, it seems morepeople are reaching to prove Brown did well vs Addai doing well.
It's more to do with the way Brown plays, not how Addai doesn't play.
 
So Addai ran without passion, and still averaged 5.33 a carry. Must be a ton of Brown owners in here. Seeing this from the outside, not owning any, it seems morepeople are reaching to prove Brown did well vs Addai doing well.
:shrug: That's pretty much what 95% of the post draft content here is...
 
All I know is that Indy used Brown for pretty much all of the second half.

Read into that what you will.

 
So Addai ran without passion, and still averaged 5.33 a carry. Must be a ton of Brown owners in here. Seeing this from the outside, not owning any, it seems morepeople are reaching to prove Brown did well vs Addai doing well.
:lmao: That's pretty much what 95% of the post draft content here is...
People love a bargain. It is much more fun to say "Why take Player X in the 4th when you can have Player Y in the 10th?" - especially to the people that took Player X.
 
So Addai ran without passion, and still averaged 5.33 a carry. Must be a ton of Brown owners in here. Seeing this from the outside, not owning any, it seems morepeople are reaching to prove Brown did well vs Addai doing well.
:blackdot: That's pretty much what 95% of the post draft content here is...
People love a bargain. It is much more fun to say "Why take Player X in the 4th when you can have Player Y in the 10th?" - especially to the people that took Player X.
And that's especially true when an offense has to rely solely on Peyton Manning because Player X is one of the more pedestrian running backs in the league, while it certainly appears that Player Y is primed to be a workhorse with far more big play potential. Player X couldn't break off a 20 yard run if the defense laid down for him. Player Y's time is coming like a freight train. Disclaimer: I'm a Manning owner who owns neither Player X nor Y. I just know that Player X is a mediocre running back.
 
I have both on one roster, neither on any of the others. And for goodness sake I thought we had some football people in here. Addai stepped inside to block another rusher who got free, which was his job. It's easier to avoid an outside rusher by stepping into the pocket than an inside rusher that gets through. It didn't matter which lineman Addai blocked, one of them was going to get Manning.Anyone with any objectivity would say neither RB looked bad at all. Like I said, until late in the game Addai looked better, that's not discounting the run, it's just a statement of fact. I am of the opinion Addai also would have scored in that play, but that's opinion.Anyone trying to make a case that Brown is the better RB after either game is far short of a substantive case. The only ones who would even try are Addai hatred or Brown owners. Neither are objective.
-Addai stepping in to block the inside pass rusher was the correct move. I agree.
That is completely incorrect. First of all the running back ONLY chips inside when directed by the center prior to the snap. The way the blocking scheme played out it shows that was not the case. Seconds, the Dolphins ran a stunt where the tackle left inside to rush from the end in order to overwhelm the blitzing side. The tackle played the play correctly and picked him up. Under this case the RB's ONLY priority is to pick up the blitz. Addai missread it and Manning got killed. This type of error will get a player in deep poo with the coaches and the QB.
That is not what I was taught when playing.
 
if Addai didn't play at all after the blitz where Manning took the hit, that's the most significant thing i take from last night's game going forward.

the hell with YPC, the one that can protect the franchise will play.

 
if Addai didn't play at all after the blitz where Manning took the hit, that's the most significant thing i take from last night's game going forward.

the hell with YPC, the one that can protect the franchise will play.
And Addai has been an excellent blocker his entire career, and has been pointed out, Addai read the blitz correctly, but could only pick up one of two players that got through.People trying to get anything from that one play are reaching.

Brown was the Colts 4th quarter RB in both games so far. It looks like he'll be used in the closer role, which could be a good thing for his FF owners. Addai, again, had the most touches and most plays. However, this week, there were so few drives by the Colts, since MIA consumed so much of the clock when it had the ball, it's hard to read too much into the number of plays each player got. However, so far it appears Addai is the main RB for the first 3 quarters, with Brown coming in on occasion, and then Brown is the guy in the 4th quarter.

We'll see as the games move on if Brown's role increases or stays the same. The Colts have said they want a platoon, and it looks from games 1 & 2 that they have in mind a way to run their platoon. Maybe that will change, maybe it won't.

 
Someone take off their Donald Brown glasses for a minute and tell me who you'd honestly start next week if you had both.

To me it looks like Addai gets the 1st half reps, they share the 3rd quarter, then Brown is The Closer in the 4th quarter.

Touches after 2 games by quarter:

Donald Brown:

1: 1 carry, 1 catch

2: 1 carry, 1 catch

3: 3 carries, 1 catch

4: 9 carries

Joseph Addai:

1: 9 carries, 2 catches

2: 10 carries

3: 2 carries, 3 catches

4: 2 carries, 1 catch

 
It looks like the tide is turning. In the colts game vs. the Cards, the split was nearly 50/50.

Addai - 13 carries, 4 targets

Brown - 14 carries, 2 targets

17:16 split, 51.5% to 48.5%

However, both were moderately productive, posting about 15 points each in PPR. About half of Brown's points came on a 72 yard reception. Also, Brown got a few shots inside the 10 as he had been the active RB on the drive, but Addai came into to spell him and got a shuffle pass TD.

Both useful as RB3/Flex, but not too hot as a RB2. I think going forward, both will only be worth a RB3, unless (when) Addai gets hurt. In that case, Brown will jump to a RB2 and possible low-end RB1. RIGHT NOW, I still want to have Addai in my lineup more than Brown.

Note - I sat both of them against the Cards.

 
Someone take off their Donald Brown glasses for a minute and tell me who you'd honestly start next week if you had both.

To me it looks like Addai gets the 1st half reps, they share the 3rd quarter, then Brown is The Closer in the 4th quarter.

Touches after 2 games by quarter:

Donald Brown:

1: 1 carry, 1 catch

2: 1 carry, 1 catch

3: 3 carries, 1 catch

4: 9 carries

Joseph Addai:

1: 9 carries, 2 catches

2: 10 carries

3: 2 carries, 3 catches

4: 2 carries, 1 catch
Kinda reminds you of the Julius Jones/Marion Barber situation a couple years ago in Dallas.
 
It looks like the tide is turning. In the colts game vs. the Cards, the split was nearly 50/50. Addai - 13 carries, 4 targetsBrown - 14 carries, 2 targets17:16 split, 51.5% to 48.5%However, both were moderately productive, posting about 15 points each in PPR. About half of Brown's points came on a 72 yard reception. Also, Brown got a few shots inside the 10 as he had been the active RB on the drive, but Addai came into to spell him and got a shuffle pass TD. Both useful as RB3/Flex, but not too hot as a RB2. I think going forward, both will only be worth a RB3, unless (when) Addai gets hurt. In that case, Brown will jump to a RB2 and possible low-end RB1. RIGHT NOW, I still want to have Addai in my lineup more than Brown. Note - I sat both of them against the Cards.
You may want to note that 8 of Browns touches came in the last 6 minutes of the game, and the overall number of touches doesn't paint an accurate picture of how they were used during the game. Up until the last drive, it was 17 to 8 in Addai's favor.
 
Switz Bill Polian on Addai (after week 3 v. ARI):

* On the play of Colts RB Joseph Addai, who rushed for 63 yards on 13 carries:

"Part of it is you have to have holes in which to run. We haven't had some of that for him in the past weeks. Second of all, when that hole creates itself, you have to take advantage of it by banging it up in there, being decisive. He was very decisive Sunday night. When he is decisive that way, when he turns on the gas and hits the hole, he's one of the best backs in football. He can make anybody miss and he can finish runs very well. He did all of that Sunday night. That was good to see. It's part of the game plan. It's part of the preparation. He took it to heart and went out there and did a heck of a job. He's also a great, great pass blocker. We ask him in many cases to pick up virtually all of the linebacker blitzes and he does a great job of it."
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It looks like the tide is turning. In the colts game vs. the Cards, the split was nearly 50/50. Addai - 13 carries, 4 targetsBrown - 14 carries, 2 targets17:16 split, 51.5% to 48.5%However, both were moderately productive, posting about 15 points each in PPR. About half of Brown's points came on a 72 yard reception. Also, Brown got a few shots inside the 10 as he had been the active RB on the drive, but Addai came into to spell him and got a shuffle pass TD. Both useful as RB3/Flex, but not too hot as a RB2. I think going forward, both will only be worth a RB3, unless (when) Addai gets hurt. In that case, Brown will jump to a RB2 and possible low-end RB1. RIGHT NOW, I still want to have Addai in my lineup more than Brown. Note - I sat both of them against the Cards.
You may want to note that 8 of Browns touches came in the last 6 minutes of the game, and the overall number of touches doesn't paint an accurate picture of how they were used during the game. Up until the last drive, it was 17 to 8 in Addai's favor.
Well that's a good point, but it doesn't change the fact that they had an almost even split. It appears that in games with a significant lead (or even a slight lead), Brown will get the call in the 4th quarter. And the fact remains that Brown is now taking a more significant chunk out of Addai's possible points. If Addai had those 8 carries in the last 6 minutes of the game, that would put him over 20 carries and make a nice RB2. That's not the case, and IMO he's no longer a viable RB2, only a RB3.
 
Switz Bill Polian on Addai (after week 3 v. ARI):

* On the play of Colts RB Joseph Addai, who rushed for 63 yards on 13 carries:

"Part of it is you have to have holes in which to run. We haven't had some of that for him in the past weeks. Second of all, when that hole creates itself, you have to take advantage of it by banging it up in there, being decisive. He was very decisive Sunday night. When he is decisive that way, when he turns on the gas and hits the hole, he's one of the best backs in football. He can make anybody miss and he can finish runs very well. He did all of that Sunday night. That was good to see. It's part of the game plan. It's part of the preparation. He took it to heart and went out there and did a heck of a job. He's also a great, great pass blocker. We ask him in many cases to pick up virtually all of the linebacker blitzes and he does a great job of it."
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I told you I was hooked in to the Colts :banned: This should also put to rest the idiocy that Addai messed up the pass protection two games ago. As I stated at the time, he took the proper rusher, just that two broke free.

 
Switz Bill Polian on Addai (after week 3 v. ARI):

* On the play of Colts RB Joseph Addai, who rushed for 63 yards on 13 carries:

"Part of it is you have to have holes in which to run. We haven't had some of that for him in the past weeks. Second of all, when that hole creates itself, you have to take advantage of it by banging it up in there, being decisive. He was very decisive Sunday night. When he is decisive that way, when he turns on the gas and hits the hole, he's one of the best backs in football. He can make anybody miss and he can finish runs very well. He did all of that Sunday night. That was good to see. It's part of the game plan. It's part of the preparation. He took it to heart and went out there and did a heck of a job. He's also a great, great pass blocker. We ask him in many cases to pick up virtually all of the linebacker blitzes and he does a great job of it."
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I told you I was hooked in to the Colts :lmao: This should also put to rest the idiocy that Addai messed up the pass protection two games ago. As I stated at the time, he took the proper rusher, just that two broke free.
Definitely agree if we're bringing up recent history. He made the right block.Also believe Addai was the better back this past week. Brown looked good in space on his big plays but who wouldn't have looked good? There was no one around him for yards.

Through byes and injuries, I'm forced to start "The Donald" this weekend. I like his chances though as Seattle is historically one of the worst travelling teams in football. Especially when they cross 3 time zones.

 
Looks to me that a lot of people are stuck on comparing every little stat between Addai and Brown, but what about the one stat that matters in FF? Fantasy Points? How is your Addai or Brown pick comparing to the picks other owners in your league have made?

I'm sure it might be different in standard scoring or TD heavy leagues, but in my league's scoring system Addai is ahead of guys like Forte, Slaton, S. Jackson, Turner, R. Bush, Grant and Portis at this point. And if you want to include backs dealing with the injury bug you can add LT, Westbrook and MBIII to that list too. There's also a good chance Gore will end up on this list within the next few weeks due to his injury. Addai has also scored more fantasy points in 2 out of the last 3 weeks than my #1 back Chris Johnson, which matters when you play head to head every week as my league does. He is also thus far scoring more points overall in my league than guys like Fitzgerald, Randy Moss, Boldin and Steve Smith.

At this point I wouldn't consider trading away any of those guys to obtain Addai, but I have to admit, so far that's not a bad bottom line from my fantasy perspective and I'm fairly happy with my pick so far.

 
expect the unexpected?

Addai is in the game in the 4th quarter to run out the clock.

Brown could have had another TD at the end.

Play them both with confidence as your RB2? :bye:

 
Other thoughts on Donald Brown going forward? Will he get enough touches? Anyone going after him?

 
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expect the unexpected?Addai is in the game in the 4th quarter to run out the clock.Brown could have had another TD at the end.Play them both with confidence as your RB2? :thumbdown:
FWIW, Brown's first TD came after Addai removed himself from the game with some kind of leg injury.
 
Week after week I see Brown asserting himself. It's just a matter of time. Most people thought by week 8 he would be the starter and that looks about right.

 
I think Addai has looked much better the past two games. Brown probably should have had 2 TDs this week, though. I'm not sure why the Colts didn't let him try for the TD on 3rd down at the 1 with a huge lead. That play made no sense given how the game was over.

I think Brown's presence has lit a fire under Addai and he's responded very well. It will be interesting to see how they both do next week against Tennessee. About the only thing the Titans still do well is stop the run.

 
packersfan said:
I think Addai has looked much better the past two games. Brown probably should have had 2 TDs this week, though. I'm not sure why the Colts didn't let him try for the TD on 3rd down at the 1 with a huge lead. That play made no sense given how the game was over. I think Brown's presence has lit a fire under Addai and he's responded very well. It will be interesting to see how they both do next week against Tennessee. About the only thing the Titans still do well is stop the run.
So IND could throw to the backs right? The question is which one will see more time in a game like that and catch more passes? It seems like Addai has caught more but Brown has done more with his catching opportunities. I think I would sit both this coming week if I had a good alternative.
 
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expect the unexpected?Addai is in the game in the 4th quarter to run out the clock.Brown could have had another TD at the end.Play them both with confidence as your RB2? :thumbdown:
FWIW, Brown's first TD came after Addai removed himself from the game with some kind of leg injury.
A leg injury? Did he limp to the side? I thought it was more a head/neck/shoulder thing from the way he fell.
 
maxwelledison said:
I was at the game. Addai defines mediocrity but if Brown doesn't hang on to the ball he won't break out this year.
:shrug:Addai this season - 48 attempts, 3.8 YPC, 2 TD, 16 rec, 6.3 YPC, 1 TDBrown this season - 38 attempts, 3.5 YPC, 2 TD, 5 rec, 25 YPR, 0 TDIf Addai is mediocre, what is Brown? Less attempts, better running situations, but still a lower YPC and less TDs. Some times I wonder what people are watching.It's a 60/40 split in touches in Addai's favor, and it doesn't look like that's going to change. Brown looks explosive on some plays, but he is still underperforming Addai.
 
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This thread cracks me up every week. If the Colts 2009 backfield isn't a clear-cut two-man RBBC, what the heck is, then?

 
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expect the unexpected?Addai is in the game in the 4th quarter to run out the clock.Brown could have had another TD at the end.Play them both with confidence as your RB2? :lmao:
FWIW, Brown's first TD came after Addai removed himself from the game with some kind of leg injury.
A leg injury? Did he limp to the side? I thought it was more a head/neck/shoulder thing from the way he fell.
He limped to the sideline, waving Brown in. I assumed it was something knee/ankle, but the announcers didn't say anything so I'm not sure.
 
This thread cracks me up every week. If the Colts 2009 backfield isn't a clear-cut two-man RBBC, what the heck is, then?
Does that mean it's a clear-cut 50/50 value to each RB? Of course not. Each RBBC has one player that is more valuable than the other(s). Right now, Addai is more valuable than Brown.
 
Addai owner looking to make a move in the next few weeks on Brown. Not because I'm worried as much as I'm in protection mode. Not sure what I'm going to have to give up....but one more week of Addai looking good could cool off the Brown owners over the bye week.

 
Touches after 4 games by quarter:

Joseph Addai:

Rush: 48-183/3.8 avg./2TD

Rec: 16-100/ 6.2 avg./1TD

1: 17 carries, 5 catches (22 - 81%)

2: 16 carries, 1 catch (17 - 77%)

3: 8 carries, 7 catches (15 - 55%)

4: 7 carries, 3 catches (10 - 32%)

Donald Brown:

Rush: 38-132/3.2 avg./2TD

Rec: 5-125/25 avg./0TD

1: 4 carry, 1 catch (5 - 19%)

2: 3 carry, 2 catches (5 - 23%)

3: 10 carries, 2 catches (12 - 45%)

4: 21 carries (21 - 68%)

Split up to now:

Addai: 60%

Brown 40%

 
maxwelledison said:
I was at the game. Addai defines mediocrity but if Brown doesn't hang on to the ball he won't break out this year.
:goodposting: Addai this season - 48 attempts, 3.8 YPC, 2 TD, 16 rec, 6.3 YPC, 1 TD

Brown this season - 38 attempts, 3.5 YPC, 2 TD, 5 rec, 25 YPR, 0 TD
Does the bolded and underlined mean anything to you? How do you see that and then proceed to post stats?
 
maxwelledison said:
I was at the game. Addai defines mediocrity but if Brown doesn't hang on to the ball he won't break out this year.
If Addai is mediocre, what is Brown? Less attempts, better running situations, but still a lower YPC and less TDs. Some times I wonder what people are watching.
lol @ the better running situations comment. That's got to be the most subjective statement in this thread. If anything, from watching the past 2 games, Donald Brown has much better tackle breaking ability and used it to get his yards while Addai was the one primarily running through wide open lanes.
 
maxwelledison said:
I was at the game. Addai defines mediocrity but if Brown doesn't hang on to the ball he won't break out this year.
:unsure:Addai this season - 48 attempts, 3.8 YPC, 2 TD, 16 rec, 6.3 YPC, 1 TDBrown this season - 38 attempts, 3.5 YPC, 2 TD, 5 rec, 25 YPR, 0 TDIf Addai is mediocre, what is Brown? Less attempts, better running situations, but still a lower YPC and less TDs. Some times I wonder what people are watching.It's a 60/40 split in touches in Addai's favor, and it doesn't look like that's going to change. Brown looks explosive on some plays, but he is still underperforming Addai.
Regarding Brown's ypc, it's worth noting he gets the ball in the most obvious running situations, when the win is pretty much in the pocket.
 
maxwelledison said:
I was at the game. Addai defines mediocrity but if Brown doesn't hang on to the ball he won't break out this year.
If Addai is mediocre, what is Brown? Less attempts, better running situations, but still a lower YPC and less TDs. Some times I wonder what people are watching.
lol @ the better running situations comment. That's got to be the most subjective statement in this thread. If anything, from watching the past 2 games, Donald Brown has much better tackle breaking ability and used it to get his yards while Addai was the one primarily running through wide open lanes.
That was definitely a weak statement by switz.
 
maxwelledison said:
I was at the game. Addai defines mediocrity but if Brown doesn't hang on to the ball he won't break out this year.
:) Addai this season - 48 attempts, 3.8 YPC, 2 TD, 16 rec, 6.3 YPC, 1 TD

Brown this season - 38 attempts, 3.5 YPC, 2 TD, 5 rec, 25 YPR, 0 TD
Does the bolded and underlined mean anything to you? How do you see that and then proceed to post stats?
Because I watched the game as well, and that guy clearly wasn't basing his opinion on the game. In that game alone Addai outperformed Brown, both by appearance AND the final numbers. Sometimes our eyes lie to us, and stats help us see that.For instance, if I were to say Darren McFadden is a STUD, I was at the game this past week. What would you say? ... Exactly.

When someone states something based on what they saw, but it's clearly incorrect based on reality... many times numbers are more accurate than our perception, since perception is frequently influenced by how we feel about a player, do we own him, do we own his competition, do we hate his alma mater, etc.

I believe that's the case here. There's no way watching that game that anyone could think Brown was better than Addai - if they said Addai was mediocre based on that game, then they must think Brown is mediocre at best, as well.

 

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