Mario Kart
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Peterson at 2097
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Adrian Peterson - 2097 (2 Viewers)
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identikit
Footballguy
Yep.Love to see 2106 or more by him.
mquinnjr
Footballguy
And still say Peyton Manning is the far superior choice for Comeback Player of the Year/MVP.If it were up to me, IMHO, if (odds are against them) Vikings do not make the playoffs, Peyton gets MVP. If the Vikings make the playoffs, I don't know how you make a case against ADP. He IS the Vikings offense. At any rate, he is comeback player of the year coming off the ACL/MCL tear in 2011 Week 16. Especially if he breaks 2,105.If he does that and it's ignored for a Peyton love fest, I will be :X
Insein
Footballguy
They are playing for the playoffs. They're only 1 game out right now.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Please change thread title to 506 
Maelstrom
Footballguy
Heck, they are still in the running for the Division (with a little help from Chicago and GB.)
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
@STL (who has been playing well on D)
@Hou
GB
Will be tough, but AP is such a beast, there is no way I am doubting him.
And if the Vikings make the playoffs, he should absolutely be the MVP, hands down.
@Hou
GB
Will be tough, but AP is such a beast, there is no way I am doubting him.
And if the Vikings make the playoffs, he should absolutely be the MVP, hands down.
That is sad too because without Peterson this team would be lucky to win 3 or 4 games, without Peyton you can make an argument that the Broncos could still win that crappy division.
Insein
Footballguy
If the Vikings make the playoffs, he would be the very definition of MVP. The Most valuable player to any one team. Without that player, the team drops dramatically. I'd say he should be in the running right now because of how awful Ponder truly is. The fact that they are 7-6 with AP coming off of an ACL tear? The dude is not human. He's a cyborg. that's what they did. They rebuilt him. They made him stronger, faster, more powerful. Hyperbole aside, I think we might be watching the greatest RB to ever live.
GeorgeCostanza
Footballguy
yup if the vikes make the playoffs and peterson doesnt win MVP just rename it the most valuable quarterback slurpfest award because they'll never give it to a non-QB again
strong
Footballguy
He does. They showed the stats today. Peterson is leading in yards over the last five or six games (IIRC). And it's not really close. On offense, the Vikings look like a PeeWee football team with a RunningBack who every parent thinks is lying about his age.
mquinnjr
Footballguy
That Cuban "Kid" at the LLWS who is bigger than the coaches and for whom they "can't locate a birth certificate." Love it. Analogy is spot on.
snogger
Footballguy
Strange you say the bold and then state the
for AP ?? Maybe you meant, Peyton Manning is the odds on favorite to win Comeback player.. NOT "far superior choice" ??Peyton is having a great year, but it isn't like he joined a team that sucked.. The Bronco's won in the Playoffs with fricken Tebow at QB last year.
Meanwhile AP is on a team with one of the worst starting QB's in the league and is recovering from ACL surgery.
It should be AP regardless if the Vikings reach the playoffs or not based on the teams the two play for. But feel that even if the Vikings make the playoffs, Peyton will win it and probably MVP.
Shutout
Footballguy
Be realistic. the vikings are not making the playoffs.
It's not like Manning is a clearly inferior choice. He's posting the best ypg total of his career, the second best TD%, and the third best QB rating of his career. He's a 4-time league MVP whose season compares favorably to any of his other MVP seasons. When a 4-time league MVP misses a season, switches teams, and then puts up the second best season of his entire career with a wildly different supporting cast despite a slow start, he's overqualified for the MVP. And it's not like he hasn't improved the Broncos, either. Without him, they're an 8-8 division champ with a negative point differential. With him, they're odds-on favorites to win the Super Bowl. I can't think of any other player turning a team from mediocre to title favorite overnight like that. Peterson's season is historic, and the fact that he's outgaining his own QB is mind boggling, but Manning over Peterson for MVP is hardly some sort of outrage.
mquinnjr
Footballguy
Sorry I wasn't clear, but yes I am in the ADP camp. It annoys me that this incredible season ADP is having after a devastating late season injury in 2011 could potentially be overshadowed by virtue of the fact that he does not line up at QB or his last name is not Manning. I really feel he deserves at least comeback POTY if not also MVP. The guy is not human and is the only reason the Vikings are even in the playoffs discussion offensively speaking.Strange you say the bold and then state the
Peyton is having a great year, but it isn't like he joined a team that sucked.. The Bronco's won in the Playoffs with fricken Tebow at QB last year.
Meanwhile AP is on a team with one of the worst starting QB's in the league and is recovering from ACL surgery.
It should be AP regardless if the Vikings reach the playoffs or not based on the teams the two play for. But feel that even if the Vikings make the playoffs, Peyton will win it and probably MVP.
Heard a stat on Mike&Mike this morning - ADP has more yards rushing in the last 7 games, than Ponder has passing in the same games.
Peterson is by far the most valuable player in the league. Everyone knows Ponder sucks, and still Peterson gets his yards. That the Vikings are around .500 is due solely to Peterson.
ETA - 1101 yards rushing for Peterson, 962 yards passing for Ponder in the last 7 games.
Peterson is by far the most valuable player in the league. Everyone knows Ponder sucks, and still Peterson gets his yards. That the Vikings are around .500 is due solely to Peterson.
ETA - 1101 yards rushing for Peterson, 962 yards passing for Ponder in the last 7 games.
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packseasontix
Footballguy
Needs to average:
169 yards a game rushing
505 yards
It will come down to that last game against the Packers. Hopefully the Vikings either have a spot locked up or are out of the playoffs entering week 17 as he should be able to do it then.
Defense Yards Given Up Rushing:
@STL - 127/gm
@Hou - 101/gm
GB - 137/gm
169 yards a game rushing
505 yards
It will come down to that last game against the Packers. Hopefully the Vikings either have a spot locked up or are out of the playoffs entering week 17 as he should be able to do it then.
Defense Yards Given Up Rushing:
@STL - 127/gm
@Hou - 101/gm
GB - 137/gm
strong
Footballguy
I can always detect these kids by looking closely at their mustaches.
jurb26
Footballguy
Where did you get those numbers from? I'm seeing the rushing ypg by those Ds as;@STL - 110.3@HOU - 87.6GB - 116.7This is on NFL.comThat said I say he comes up a bit short of 2,000. I think Hou will be able to really slow him down and hold him to right around or less than 100 yds. Even if we assume 100 yds vs. Hou, that would mean 300 or 150 per game vs. the other 2. Possible, but very difficult.Needs to average:169 yards a game rushing505 yardsIt will come down to that last game against the Packers. Hopefully the Vikings either have a spot locked up or are out of the playoffs entering week 17 as he should be able to do it then.Defense Yards Given Up RushingSTL - 127/gm@Hou - 101/gmGB - 137/gm
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You have to go somewhere to be come back player of the year. Peterson never left.Edit to add that I don't care if the Vikings make the playoffs Peterson should be MVP but Manning deserves the comeback award.
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Having a spot locked up might not be a good thing. If ADP needs 160+ to get the record, & the Vikes can't improve/hurt their playoff seeding (assuming they are in), it wouldn't surprise me to see them limit his carries, especially if he doesn't start off hot. On the other hand, if they need to win or have nothing to play for, I would expect him to see the ball 25+ times (assuming the record is within reasonable reach).That being said, I doubt they will have a spot locked up (I don't think it's even possible, is it?).
What are you talking about? Peterson is coming back from an injury, same as Manning is. The fact that Peterson has been FAR ahead of schedule should add to his claim to the award, not diminsh it.
Thank you for proving our points, Peterson's season is historic. Peyton is in the discussion as the best quarterback in the league this year, and this isn't even his best year, or a quarterbacks best year. Peterson may be on the way to the best season a running back has ever had.
If Green Bay has nothing to play for he might have 300 against just them. Hell he might have 300 against them if they do have something to play for.Where did you get those numbers from? I'm seeing the rushing ypg by those Ds as;@STL - 110.3@HOU - 87.6GB - 116.7This is on NFL.comThat said I say he comes up a bit short of 2,000. I think Hou will be able to really slow him down and hold him to right around or less than 100 yds. Even if we assume 100 yds vs. Hou, that would mean 300 or 150 per game vs. the other 2. Possible, but very difficult.Needs to average:169 yards a game rushing505 yardsIt will come down to that last game against the Packers. Hopefully the Vikings either have a spot locked up or are out of the playoffs entering week 17 as he should be able to do it then.Defense Yards Given Up Rushing
I don't care how good the runner is, that stat is so so sad
Shutout
Footballguy
He just might BUT there is too much working against him.-The NFL is a QB-driven league and, right or wrong in the eyes of the purist in discussing this, there are about two players in the NFL that can overshadow Peyton Manning when Peyton is on because Peyton is iconic to the NFL right now. An all-time great, nearing the end of a top 5 HOF career (a HOF'ers HOFer), was gone for a year, comes back after being let go by his former team, and lifts his new team from pedestrian to serious SB contender and hottest team in the league. You can't write a script better than that.'Chazzhawk said:
-But the thing that really kills ADP's chances of MVP is in the definition. Most Valuable Player. As great as he is, how valuable is he to the NFL if his team isn't even a serious Super Bowl contender? I know, that is unfair because valuable is valuable and he is...but on the larger scale of the NFL, he's not in the prime time games, carrying his team to division titles and byes, etc. If he hits 2000, its a great story..great one. If he eclipses Dickerson's record and its done in the regular flow of the games (not going out of their way t feed him the ball 55 times in week 17 against a team resting starters), that's an even greater accomplishments. But at the end of the day, 4 weeks from now, people are going to be BUZZING about Manning and the Broncos and their chances of making a SB and, most likely, the Vikes season will be over. And if the Broncos happen to play the Colts in the playoffs, that's just more food for the machine. And if the Broncos face the Patriots in the playoffs, its an insta-classic. And if they actually get to or win the Super Bowl, there is no argument in the universe that can convince the majority that Peyton was THE difference, THE reason, the deserving party.
I love Peterson and I know I sound harsh towards him but I don't even think he should get comeback player of the year. There are SO many guys that get hurt and go on IR and come back. ACLs are like glorified dislocated fingers these days; there are a handful of productive guys out there with multiple tears or tears on both knees. How about Thomas Davis for comeback player? That cat has basically missed three years out of football with tears.
The marvel in all this is how quick he recovered. So what? Some guys heal fast and some don't. Terrell Owens came back from a broken foot within weeks. Ronnie Lott said "how's this for some instant recovery? tear that useless digit off and tape me back up". this is what dedicated players do. But Manning, at his age, to have multiple surgeries on an area of the body that could cripple him, and then sit out a year plus, and then rehab not only normally, but to rehab in all that additional stuff. And then to do all this when he didn't even know if his team wanted him or if it was safe to do so, and to come back and basically just grab an entirely new franchise, learn their system (or teach them his) and then make them a top 5 team in the NFL...that's a comeback. We expect Peterson to fix his ACL and come back. Just like we did Jamal Lewis or any other top RB with a torn ACL or bad foot. That's what they do. But we don't expect these more serious issues like nerve fusions and achilles tears, etc; especially at their ages.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
+160 for now
jurb26
Footballguy
211, amazing.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Anybody see the "NFC Playbook" show this week?
Sterling Sharpe did a magnificent job breaking down what a tough time Peterson would have today, because the Rams do a great job at "establishing a new line of scrimmage." Imagine how many yards he would have if they WEREN'T so good at that?
Sterling Sharpe did a magnificent job breaking down what a tough time Peterson would have today, because the Rams do a great job at "establishing a new line of scrimmage." Imagine how many yards he would have if they WEREN'T so good at that?
Today, as of right now...Ponder - 131Peterson - 212
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Prior to last week's game, Peterson had rushed for more yards over the SIX previous games than Ponder had passed for.That gap has only grown since.
packseasontix
Footballguy
Change this topic to how far until he breaks the record instead of 2000. I doubt that he wont get there at this point.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Facing the #3 (@ HOU) and #15 (vs. GB) rushing defenses.
Maelstrom
Footballguy
StL was the #13 going into this week (at least, I don't think NFL.com has updated their stats page yet to include this week.)
Hang 10
Footballguy
snellman
Footballguy
'Hang 10 said:'lbouchard said:
On a serious note, He talks about the workouts he did this offseason as part of rehab. If he works out like that this coming season if completely healthy imagine what he could do next year. 
If he can continue to stay healthy there could be no discussion on who the best RB in the game is.Toxteth O'Grady
Footballguy
Is there discussion? Are folks actually proposing that ADP has an equal in the NFL?At this point, the discussion should be his position as one of the greatest RBs of all time. He's certainly on the list and climbing.'Hang 10 said:'lbouchard said:
