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Adrian Peterson, retired (2 Viewers)

The Vikings may have been a contender for the wild card with AP last year. I don't get where the 'Vikes wanted out of his contract' stuff comes from. Unless it's just due to PR hit they may take. But a mea culpa and the public forgives.

 
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It will be interesting to see how Dogra intends to paint Peterson as a victim. I don't see how Peterson ever outruns his baggage playing the PR game. Consider me impressed if this path does not further tarnish his image.

 
davearm said:
Heatman said:
davearm said:
The notion that Peterson has zero leverage depends on two key assumptions:

1) the Vikings would want him back in the first place, and

2) the Vikings are OK paying him what his current contract calls for.

The first seems like the more prominent issue, IMO. I think the Vikings have done well to conceal it, but I don't think they want Peterson in their organization.
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What gives you this idea? Just a hunch? Everything they have done has been about trying to get him to play in MN. The only reason they have been seeking a trade is because that's what he wants. To me it looks like they are bending over backwards to keep him.
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Everything the Vikes did last fall was about trying to keep him off the field. They seemed more than happy to go along with the NFL and its indefinite suspension/exempt list strategy. Frankly I think the Vikes were thrilled and relieved not to have to face a tough decision on what to do with Peterson had he been cleared to play before 2014 was out.All of which leaves me feeling like they don't want him back, and that they decided early on that taking him back wasn't an option, and that what we're hearing from them now is 100% posturing/negotiating to get out with whatever they can muster in a trade.

If the trade option dries up, I'd bet they release him (despite their indication to the contrary).
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Interesting that they were going to play him week 2 isn't it? The only reason they didn't is because of the public outcry and ore than that sponsors backing out and more threatening to do the same. Then they placed him on the exempt list but continued to pay him until the NFL said they could not. You think another NFL team would have done different? I think everything done last year was more about posturing than this year. It would not have been possible for him to return to the field last year without sponsors doing the same and people freaking out. The only way they could keep him was for him to not play last year.

As far as him being released. I would not count on that. There is no way that happens. He will either be traded for something decent ( Which I don't see a team trading anything for him because of the circumstances, they will use his contract as an excuse even though he said he would restructure.) or he will be a Viking. The Vikings are fully prepared to pay him his contract. If that does not say we want you back I don't know what does.

All this BS about them wanting him gone is just that.

 
Mr. Retukes said:
Donnybrook said:
Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer

Assuming he's not there in spring (re: $250K workout bonus), Vikings don't owe Peterson a dime til Wk 1. Nothing forcing urgency from them.
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If Peterson passes up his workout bonus, then he's dumber than Albert Breer.
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$250k for peterson? he made millions sitting out he aint going to come practice with a team he doesnt want to be on for $250k

 
Donnybrook said:
Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer

Assuming he's not there in spring (re: $250K workout bonus), Vikings don't owe Peterson a dime til Wk 1. Nothing forcing urgency from them.
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Well, except fielding trade offers while they still exist, the draft, and getting ready for training camp.

 
******* is gonna screw me two years in a row in dynasty

just play you moron you are lucky you have talent and are still in the league, you are done in two years anyway.

 
VarsityBlues123 said:
Mr. Retukes said:
Donnybrook said:
Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer

Assuming he's not there in spring (re: $250K workout bonus), Vikings don't owe Peterson a dime til Wk 1. Nothing forcing urgency from them.
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If Peterson passes up his workout bonus, then he's dumber than Albert Breer.
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$250k for peterson? he made millions sitting out he aint going to come practice with a team he doesnt want to be on for $250k
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Risk injury to make yourself untradeable?

Practice with people you don't want to play with?

He shouldn't attend.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Donnybrook said:
Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer

Assuming he's not there in spring (re: $250K workout bonus), Vikings don't owe Peterson a dime til Wk 1. Nothing forcing urgency from them.
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Well, except fielding trade offers while they still exist, the draft, and getting ready for training camp.
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why would the vikings trade him for a late round pick that may not provide anything while showing every other player in the league that if you dont like us we will trade you. no one told peterson to abuse his kid and put his team and the league in a tough situation. he feeling abused a real bad display by who at one point was one of my favorite players. he should be lucky the vikings even want him back.

 
He wants out, and wants more guaranteed money...

Dogra is not demanding a trade yet, rather expressing his dissatisfaction with the organization. Peterson's camp believes he deserves "face of the franchise" guaranteed money, along the lines of a premier quarterback, per Rapoport.

Although Peterson has three years and $45 million remaining on his contract, none of it is guaranteed.

 
B-Deep said:
He wants out, and wants more guaranteed money...

Dogra is not demanding a trade yet, rather expressing his dissatisfaction with the organization. Peterson's camp believes he deserves "face of the franchise" guaranteed money, along the lines of a premier quarterback, per Rapoport.

Although Peterson has three years and $45 million remaining on his contract, none of it is guaranteed.
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wait, is this true?

 
Heatman said:
davearm said:
Heatman said:
davearm said:
The notion that Peterson has zero leverage depends on two key assumptions:

1) the Vikings would want him back in the first place, and

2) the Vikings are OK paying him what his current contract calls for.

The first seems like the more prominent issue, IMO. I think the Vikings have done well to conceal it, but I don't think they want Peterson in their organization.
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What gives you this idea? Just a hunch? Everything they have done has been about trying to get him to play in MN. The only reason they have been seeking a trade is because that's what he wants. To me it looks like they are bending over backwards to keep him.
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Everything the Vikes did last fall was about trying to keep him off the field. They seemed more than happy to go along with the NFL and its indefinite suspension/exempt list strategy. Frankly I think the Vikes were thrilled and relieved not to have to face a tough decision on what to do with Peterson had he been cleared to play before 2014 was out.All of which leaves me feeling like they don't want him back, and that they decided early on that taking him back wasn't an option, and that what we're hearing from them now is 100% posturing/negotiating to get out with whatever they can muster in a trade.

If the trade option dries up, I'd bet they release him (despite their indication to the contrary).
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Interesting that they were going to play him week 2 isn't it? The only reason they didn't is because of the public outcry and ore than that sponsors backing out and more threatening to do the same. Then they placed him on the exempt list but continued to pay him until the NFL said they could not. You think another NFL team would have done different? I think everything done last year was more about posturing than this year. It would not have been possible for him to return to the field last year without sponsors doing the same and people freaking out. The only way they could keep him was for him to not play last year.

As far as him being released. I would not count on that. There is no way that happens. He will either be traded for something decent ( Which I don't see a team trading anything for him because of the circumstances, they will use his contract as an excuse even though he said he would restructure.) or he will be a Viking. The Vikings are fully prepared to pay him his contract. If that does not say we want you back I don't know what does.

All this BS about them wanting him gone is just that.
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The Vikes were willing to play Peterson until the crap hit the fan. They flat out misjudged the level of outrage amongst their fanbase and their sponsors.

We know what the Vikes have said publicly. But if they wanted him gone, they wouldn't come right out and say it. They'd posture and bluff to retain leverage.

So either the Vikes are being forthcoming, and they truly do want him back, or they're posturing and bluffing. My gut says it's the latter. I could be wrong.

 
FUBAR said:
B-Deep said:
He wants out, and wants more guaranteed money...

Dogra is not demanding a trade yet, rather expressing his dissatisfaction with the organization. Peterson's camp believes he deserves "face of the franchise" guaranteed money, along the lines of a premier quarterback, per Rapoport.

Although Peterson has three years and $45 million remaining on his contract, none of it is guaranteed.
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wait, is this true?
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Peterson has already been paid all of his guaranteed money. From here on out, his contract looks like this:

2015: $12,750,000 salary plus $250,000 workout bonus

2016: $14,750,000 salary plus $250,000 workout bonus

2017: $16,750,000 salary plus $250,000 workout bonus

His yearly salaries become guaranteed if he's on the roster for Week 1 of each season.

 
What has happened to AD going to the Cowboys buzz? I still think Jerry may make this happen especially with Murray gone, D Mac was not signed to be the man.

 
dmac37 said:
What has happened to AD going to the Cowboys buzz? I still think Jerry may make this happen especially with Murray gone, D Mac was not signed to be the man.
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With the hardy deal the cowboys are out of cap space. Not gonna happen. Sd or arizona seem likely in a trade based on cap space

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
dmac37 said:
What has happened to AD going to the Cowboys buzz? I still think Jerry may make this happen especially with Murray gone, D Mac was not signed to be the man.
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With the hardy deal the cowboys are out of cap space. Not gonna happen. Sd or arizona seem likely in a trade based on cap space
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I don't know what the cap situation is in SD or AZ but I think it would actually be worth it for them if they take on the salary and surrender a low/mid pick. Yes they could draft a Gurley or another top flight RB, but Peterson sounds like he can put a team on his back into the playoffs for another 1-2 seasons.

 
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FUBAR said:
B-Deep said:
scott46984 said:
Peterson situation exhausting but Vikings shouldn't budge.

Chip Scoggins is a Star Tribune sports columnist

Exactly ....

http://www.startribune.com/sports/blogs/297375691.html
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the first comment is someone asking why the team does not just cut him

ummmm

because that would be dumb
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if his salary isn't guaranteed and the Vikings don't think he's worth the contract, and no team makes an offer; why would cutting him be dumb?
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because some team will give you something for him. He is an asset, simply dispossing of that asset would be silly.

plus as many have pointed out, they have the cap space to pay him, since all we an do is guess at his value going forward, and given his past performance, simply letting that walk out the door is ridiculous,

Peterson would love it, but there's no way it happens (barring more charges/video/something of that nature)

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
dmac37 said:
What has happened to AD going to the Cowboys buzz? I still think Jerry may make this happen especially with Murray gone, D Mac was not signed to be the man.
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With the hardy deal the cowboys are out of cap space. Not gonna happen. Sd or arizona seem likely in a trade based on cap space
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I don't know what the cap situation is in SD or AZ but I think it would actually be worth it for them if they take on the salary and surrender a low/mid pick. Yes they could draft a Gurley or another top flight RB, but Peterson sounds like he can put a team on his back into the playoffs for another 1-2 seasons.
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Would be exciting to see AD/Lynch or AD/Charles twice a year.

If I'm running the Cardinals, I'm not getting outbid for AD. Won't sell the farm for him either, but when push meets shove, he could make the difference in the division.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
dmac37 said:
What has happened to AD going to the Cowboys buzz? I still think Jerry may make this happen especially with Murray gone, D Mac was not signed to be the man.
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With the hardy deal the cowboys are out of cap space. Not gonna happen. Sd or arizona seem likely in a trade based on cap space
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I don't know what the cap situation is in SD or AZ but I think it would actually be worth it for them if they take on the salary and surrender a low/mid pick. Yes they could draft a Gurley or another top flight RB, but Peterson sounds like he can put a team on his back into the playoffs for another 1-2 seasons.
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based on what? I am sure he thinks he'll grind out 1800 yards at 40. Maybe he will, or maybe we have seen the last of Peterson carrying a team. How much do you gamble on it?

and sure, if they can trade a 4th and pay him 3 mil a season i say grab him. He's due 13mil this season and his agent is saying he wants to be paid like a face of the franchise

no thanks, i'll pass

 
B-Deep said:
FUBAR said:
B-Deep said:
scott46984 said:
Peterson situation exhausting but Vikings shouldn't budge.

Chip Scoggins is a Star Tribune sports columnist

Exactly ....

http://www.startribune.com/sports/blogs/297375691.html
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the first comment is someone asking why the team does not just cut him

ummmm

because that would be dumb
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if his salary isn't guaranteed and the Vikings don't think he's worth the contract, and no team makes an offer; why would cutting him be dumb?
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because some team will give you something for him. He is an asset, simply dispossing of that asset would be silly.

plus as many have pointed out, they have the cap space to pay him, since all we an do is guess at his value going forward, and given his past performance, simply letting that walk out the door is ridiculous,

Peterson would love it, but there's no way it happens (barring more charges/video/something of that nature)
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accepting your presumption, I'd agree. But that's the key - at what point if nobody is biting, do you cut bait? I don't think he gets to week 1 as a Viking.

 
plus as many have pointed out, they have the cap space to pay him, since all we an do is guess at his value going forward, and given his past performance, simply letting that walk out the door is ridiculous,
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The cap money carries over and his salary is $13M that could be used to sign DT or Dez next year.

 
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FUBAR said:
B-Deep said:
scott46984 said:
Peterson situation exhausting but Vikings shouldn't budge.

Chip Scoggins is a Star Tribune sports columnist

Exactly ....

http://www.startribune.com/sports/blogs/297375691.html
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the first comment is someone asking why the team does not just cut himummmm

because that would be dumb
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if his salary isn't guaranteed and the Vikings don't think he's worth the contract, and no team makes an offer; why would cutting him be dumb?
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Minnesota will have to pay a premium to keep Peterson, because he'll be more willing to reduce his salary to play for another team.

Peterson is calling Minnesota's bluff just as much as Minnesota is calling Peterson's bluff.

 
Joe Summer said:
FUBAR said:
B-Deep said:
scott46984 said:
Peterson situation exhausting but Vikings shouldn't budge.

Chip Scoggins is a Star Tribune sports columnist

Exactly ....http://www.startribune.com/sports/blogs/297375691.html
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the first comment is someone asking why the team does not just cut himummmm

because that would be dumb
Click to expand...
if his salary isn't guaranteed and the Vikings don't think he's worth the contract, and no team makes an offer; why would cutting him be dumb?
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Minnesota will have to pay a premium to keep Peterson, because he'll be more willing to reduce his salary to play for another team.

Peterson is calling Minnesota's bluff just as much as Minnesota is calling Peterson's bluff.
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It's not paying a premium, it's honoring the contract they inked him to.

 
Kool-Aid Larry said:
rumor is that pats will trade a 2nd and peterson reworks his deal
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There was a Rants Sports article that falls in the wild ### speculation and wish list category. I don't see any way Peterson even talks to the Pats unless he is willing to pay for dirt cheap. NE only has $7 million in cap space left and still has guys from last year unsigned and rookies to draft. (Granted they have 2-3 contracts they can restructure, but the point remains they don't have much cap space.)

 
Joe Summer said:
FUBAR said:
B-Deep said:
scott46984 said:
Peterson situation exhausting but Vikings shouldn't budge.

Chip Scoggins is a Star Tribune sports columnist

Exactly ....

http://www.startribune.com/sports/blogs/297375691.html
Click to expand...
the first comment is someone asking why the team does not just cut himummmm

because that would be dumb
Click to expand...
if his salary isn't guaranteed and the Vikings don't think he's worth the contract, and no team makes an offer; why would cutting him be dumb?
Click to expand...
Minnesota will have to pay a premium to keep Peterson, because he'll be more willing to reduce his salary to play for another team.

Peterson is calling Minnesota's bluff just as much as Minnesota is calling Peterson's bluff.
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Presuming what has been said in this thread is true; the Vikings don't have to pay the "premium", they could release him at the end of camp before week 1 and his salary is due. I'm either missing something here or we disagree on whether they would do that, after waiting until the last moment before having to pay his salary.

 
FUBAR said:
Presuming what has been said in this thread is true; the Vikings don't have to pay the "premium", they could release him at the end of camp before week 1 and his salary is due. I'm either missing something here or we disagree on whether they would do that, after waiting until the last moment before having to pay his salary.
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Of course the Vikings could cut him before Week 1. But then he could become a free agent and sign with another team for less money and the Vikings would get nothing in return. That's what I mean by paying a premium to keep him. $13M might be higher than market value, but it might be worth it to Minnesota to avoid losing him for nothing.

 
Joe Summer said:
FUBAR said:
Presuming what has been said in this thread is true; the Vikings don't have to pay the "premium", they could release him at the end of camp before week 1 and his salary is due. I'm either missing something here or we disagree on whether they would do that, after waiting until the last moment before having to pay his salary.
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Of course the Vikings could cut him before Week 1. But then he could become a free agent and sign with another team for less money and the Vikings would get nothing in return. That's what I mean by paying a premium to keep him. $13M might be higher than market value, but it might be worth it to Minnesota to avoid losing him for nothing.
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I don't think the Vikings would do so, because no team wants to look so vindictive to future free agents, but if they did it wouldn't be so easy for Peterson to just sign with another team. By then rosters are full, many teams will be up against the cap, and the team has just spent the entire offseason learning the playbook and installing personnel into those plays in practice and game situations.

Obviously some one would pick him up, but his value to that team would be down and he may not have his choice of teams.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
Joe Summer said:
FUBAR said:
Presuming what has been said in this thread is true; the Vikings don't have to pay the "premium", they could release him at the end of camp before week 1 and his salary is due. I'm either missing something here or we disagree on whether they would do that, after waiting until the last moment before having to pay his salary.
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Of course the Vikings could cut him before Week 1. But then he could become a free agent and sign with another team for less money and the Vikings would get nothing in return. That's what I mean by paying a premium to keep him. $13M might be higher than market value, but it might be worth it to Minnesota to avoid losing him for nothing.
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I don't think the Vikings would do so, because no team wants to look so vindictive to future free agents, but if they did it wouldn't be so easy for Peterson to just sign with another team. By then rosters are full, many teams will be up against the cap, and the team has just spent the entire offseason learning the playbook and installing personnel into those plays in practice and game situations.

Obviously some one would pick him up, but his value to that team would be down and he may not have his choice of teams.
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It would be easy for future free agents to understand. Presumably they're shopping him now, couldn't work a deal, he's acting like an ###...

 
Rotoworld:

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Adrian Peterson's player rep met with the Vikings on Monday, but that there was "no resolution."
The sides are mired in stalemate. Peterson is desperate to get out, while the Vikes at least want to maintain the appearance they want him back. Perhaps it's to up their leverage in potential trade talks, though the rhetoric has been so fierce that it appears Minny genuinely wants to keep its franchise runner. The conventional wisdom is that Peterson has no leverage, but players of his ilk have a good chance at getting their way if they really dig in.

Source: Around The NFL on Twitter
Mar 24 - 7:50 PM
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I think about this situation in terms of how Ted Thompson handled the Favre situation. He just held his ground, let the storm wash over the organization, ate a sandwich, evaluated players, took a nap, and steered the ship according to what he knew needed to be done. No media leaks. No off color comments. Just acted like a pro the entire time. Favre on the other hand was doing interviews with anyone and everyone to get his way. Acting like a petulant little brat who didn't get his way. Just like Peterson is now. Thompson wrote the book on how to handle players like this. It's the Minnesota Vikings, not the Minnesota Adrian Petersons.

They are either get another team to offer up a significant pick (none have) or they keep him and require him to fulfill his contract. If he comes back, he will be welcomed back. If he holds out, he will be fined the maximum amount and have his pay docked according to the rules. The Vikings aren't trying to win this one in the media or anything like that. They are scouting players, evaulating their roster, and preparing for the draft. They are acting like professionals.

In most arguments you can see who is in control by watching who is calm. Mike Zimmer is calm. The Vikings have a plan and they are going to follow that plan. As they should. The way they are handling this actually makes me wonder if they haven't turned a significant corner as an organization. They might just have the right team now to move into the playoffs with or without Adrian. Kudos to them (and I'm a Packers fan).

Has any Vikings official actually said "we need to have X draft pick compensation for Adrian Peterson." Is he even officially on the trade block or is it all speculation. Has anything at all in terms of trade news come directly from Zimmer or Spielman?

 
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Sabertooth said:
I think about this situation in terms of how Ted Thompson handled the Favre situation. He just held his ground, let the storm wash over the organization, ate a sandwich, evaluated players, took a nap, and steered the ship according to what he knew needed to be done. No media leaks. No off color comments. Just acted like a pro the entire time. Favre on the other hand was doing interviews with anyone and everyone to get his way. Acting like a petulant little brat who didn't get his way. Just like Peterson is now. Thompson wrote the book on how to handle players like this. It's the Minnesota Vikings, not the Minnesota Adrian Petersons.

They are either get another team to offer up a significant pick (none have) or they keep him and require him to fulfill his contract. If he comes back, he will be welcomed back. If he holds out, he will be fined the maximum amount and have his pay docked according to the rules. The Vikings aren't trying to win this one in the media or anything like that. They are scouting players, evaulating their roster, and preparing for the draft. They are acting like professionals.

In most arguments you can see who is in control by watching who is calm. Mike Zimmer is calm. The Vikings have a plan and they are going to follow that plan. As they should. The way they are handling this actually makes me wonder if they haven't turned a significant corner as an organization. They might just have the right team now to move into the playoffs with or without Adrian. Kudos to them (and I'm a Packers fan).

Has any Vikings official actually said "we need to have X draft pick compensation for Adrian Peterson." Is he even officially on the trade block or is it all speculation. Has anything at all in terms of trade news come directly from Zimmer or Spielman?
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Favre got his way and the Packers only got a conditional 4th round pick from the Jets.

 
cstu said:
Sabertooth said:
I think about this situation in terms of how Ted Thompson handled the Favre situation. He just held his ground, let the storm wash over the organization, ate a sandwich, evaluated players, took a nap, and steered the ship according to what he knew needed to be done. No media leaks. No off color comments. Just acted like a pro the entire time. Favre on the other hand was doing interviews with anyone and everyone to get his way. Acting like a petulant little brat who didn't get his way. Just like Peterson is now. Thompson wrote the book on how to handle players like this. It's the Minnesota Vikings, not the Minnesota Adrian Petersons.

They are either get another team to offer up a significant pick (none have) or they keep him and require him to fulfill his contract. If he comes back, he will be welcomed back. If he holds out, he will be fined the maximum amount and have his pay docked according to the rules. The Vikings aren't trying to win this one in the media or anything like that. They are scouting players, evaulating their roster, and preparing for the draft. They are acting like professionals.

In most arguments you can see who is in control by watching who is calm. Mike Zimmer is calm. The Vikings have a plan and they are going to follow that plan. As they should. The way they are handling this actually makes me wonder if they haven't turned a significant corner as an organization. They might just have the right team now to move into the playoffs with or without Adrian. Kudos to them (and I'm a Packers fan).

Has any Vikings official actually said "we need to have X draft pick compensation for Adrian Peterson." Is he even officially on the trade block or is it all speculation. Has anything at all in terms of trade news come directly from Zimmer or Spielman?
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Favre got his way and the Packers only got a conditional 4th round pick from the Jets.
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No he didn't. He wanted to come back to Green Bay. But they committed to Rodgers.

 
I think the media is trying to drum up stories. They have nothing to go with right now. It's a dead period so they need to write about something. The Vikes have no motivation to move right now, but Adrian does. Once the draft happens, most teams are pretty well set personnel-wise and the chances of him getting traded decrease.

 
Sabertooth said:
I think the media is trying to drum up stories. They have nothing to go with right now. It's a dead period so they need to write about something. The Vikes have no motivation to move right now, but Adrian does. Once the draft happens, most teams are pretty well set personnel-wise and the chances of him getting traded decrease.
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Seems the ideal time to trade him could be on draft day.

 
I would think so, but then again, they don't have a huge incentive to trade him at all. He either plays for them or retires. Either way, they are fine. Adrian's the one bent over their knee, not the other way around.

 
Why is AP bent over whose knee? He just won in court totally and he's about to do it again. And he's probably in store for a very good season with 3 teams at least interested in his services.

 
The Vikes already had this internal hand wringing over whether to do the right thing last fall. There is no reason the same decision makers won't prevail, one or more persons in the front office don't want him there. Now the Vikes are stuck with the consequences of their actions.

 
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