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Yeah, with SF, it was more like, just keep your head in the sand.
I guess the upside would be that you are getting something in return for a guy that will most likely hold out at the very least be a distraction for the team. I guess it all depends how determined AP is. Does he hold out? Would the Vikings not trade him on principle alone? I, personally, would try to get something for him if he held out.Sabertooth said:I just don't see the upside of selling cheap on him for the Vikings.
Let's say they keep him at his contract and he plays. What happens next year? Are you saying a year of AP and a compensatory FA pick makes more sense?Sabertooth said:I just don't see the upside of selling cheap on him for the Vikings.
He's not a FA next year.Let's say they keep him at his contract and he plays. What happens next year? Are you saying a year of AP and a compensatory FA pick makes more sense?Sabertooth said:I just don't see the upside of selling cheap on him for the Vikings.
The Cowboys would have.cstu said:The 49ers would have.Peterson is mad that the vikings didn't risk public backlash, loss of sponsors, and pissing off the league to stand up for him after he was convicted of assualting a 4 year old boy with a stick
he is a lunatic, no team would have done any more
As soon as it makes sense for the team, I imagine.My mistake on him being a free agent. I just looked it up and it's 15 million per season. Seems like the Vikings could play hard ball but at what point are they better off freeing up that cap space and getting something for him?
No way he holds out... I'm with what one sports columnist wrote.. if he is still a Viking Saturday morning he will play this year with the Vikings. hopefully with a HUGE chip on his shoulder and rushes for 2000+ yards.I guess the upside would be that you are getting something in return for a guy that will most likely hold out at the very least be a distraction for the team. I guess it all depends how determined AP is. Does he hold out? Would the Vikings not trade him on principle alone? I, personally, would try to get something for him if he held out. I'm of the opinion that it is more likely that we see Peterson traded in week 3 of the season than before or during the draft.Sabertooth said:I just don't see the upside of selling cheap on him for the Vikings.

Ah, yes, rush for 2000+ yards for the team that's screwing you over. That'll show em!No way he holds out... I'm with what one sports columnist wrote.. if he is still a Viking Saturday morning he will play this year with the Vikings. hopefully with a HUGE chip on his shoulder and rushes for 2000+ yards.I guess the upside would be that you are getting something in return for a guy that will most likely hold out at the very least be a distraction for the team. I guess it all depends how determined AP is. Does he hold out? Would the Vikings not trade him on principle alone? I, personally, would try to get something for him if he held out. I'm of the opinion that it is more likely that we see Peterson traded in week 3 of the season than before or during the draft.Sabertooth said:I just don't see the upside of selling cheap on him for the Vikings.![]()
I think he's more concerned with his own legacy than worried about screwing over his team. These kind of guys don't get to be where they are without huge egos.Ah, yes, rush for 2000+ yards for the team that's screwing you over. That'll show em!No way he holds out... I'm with what one sports columnist wrote.. if he is still a Viking Saturday morning he will play this year with the Vikings. hopefully with a HUGE chip on his shoulder and rushes for 2000+ yards.I guess the upside would be that you are getting something in return for a guy that will most likely hold out at the very least be a distraction for the team. I guess it all depends how determined AP is. Does he hold out? Would the Vikings not trade him on principle alone? I, personally, would try to get something for him if he held out. I'm of the opinion that it is more likely that we see Peterson traded in week 3 of the season than before or during the draft.Sabertooth said:I just don't see the upside of selling cheap on him for the Vikings.![]()
I think he's more concerned with his own legacy than worried about screwing over his team. These kind of guys don't get to be where they are without huge egos.Ah, yes, rush for 2000+ yards for the team that's screwing you over. That'll show em!No way he holds out... I'm with what one sports columnist wrote.. if he is still a Viking Saturday morning he will play this year with the Vikings. hopefully with a HUGE chip on his shoulder and rushes for 2000+ yards.I guess the upside would be that you are getting something in return for a guy that will most likely hold out at the very least be a distraction for the team. I guess it all depends how determined AP is. Does he hold out? Would the Vikings not trade him on principle alone? I, personally, would try to get something for him if he held out. I'm of the opinion that it is more likely that we see Peterson traded in week 3 of the season than before or during the draft.Sabertooth said:I just don't see the upside of selling cheap on him for the Vikings.![]()
right now it is all about changing the image.. he wants nothing else then to change the talk from being about his off the field issues.. the first game he rushes for 100+ yards and a couple Td's the talk changes to football.Ah, yes, rush for 2000+ yards for the team that's screwing you over. That'll show em!No way he holds out... I'm with what one sports columnist wrote.. if he is still a Viking Saturday morning he will play this year with the Vikings. hopefully with a HUGE chip on his shoulder and rushes for 2000+ yards.I guess the upside would be that you are getting something in return for a guy that will most likely hold out at the very least be a distraction for the team. I guess it all depends how determined AP is. Does he hold out? Would the Vikings not trade him on principle alone? I, personally, would try to get something for him if he held out. I'm of the opinion that it is more likely that we see Peterson traded in week 3 of the season than before or during the draft.Sabertooth said:I just don't see the upside of selling cheap on him for the Vikings.![]()
The Vikings are screwing him over? I'd be interested to hear how that is the case.So despite the fact that people were calling for his head and sponsors were starting to back out on the team the Vikings should have done everything they could to keep him on the field? What you are saying they should have done is say screw you sponsors we don't need your support?He potentially could have played the last two months of the season. His case was sorted out in the courts, and because of that, the Vikings could have pushed to have him reinstated during the season, or not left him dangling in some way.He feels that they should have come out IN SUPPORT of his actions???AP feels like the front office didn't have his back.My memory fails me, so I went back 35 pages looking for the answer... I couldn't find it. So, someone fill me in. What did the Vikes do that so ticked him off? I mean, did they actually throw him under the bus, or did they just stay away when he was pleading guilty?
Instead, they waited until the storm blew over, and magically, he gets reinstated before the draft.
Now, they want him back to help the young QB out, and are making all kinds of nice statements. You ask if they should have come out in support of his actions. What are they doing now, by wanting him back? I am guessing Peterson's attitude is that when the going got tough, the Vikes got going.
I agree with him. If the Vikes were sticking to some principles, and sickened by his actions, as I am, they would be moving on, and taking anything they could get to move him. Instead, the world has moved on, Vikes fans will welcome him back, and the media and Twitterverse will be less likely to roast the team publicly because he served some arbitrary punishment.
Peterson is one of the greatest Vikes ever, he knows that, and has a spotless public record with the team, as far as I know. I think he feels he bought a little credibility and love from the team, and got zero.
It's very weird, I am disgusted by what he did to his child, and applaud a team that wants nothing to do with him. At the same time, I see where Peterson is coming from, and hope he sticks to his guns. Peterson can be wrong for what he did, and still right about the Vikings doing him wrong.
No, they should have suspended him until the court case was done (like they did) and then fought for him to return.So despite the fact that people were calling for his head and sponsors were starting to back out on the team the Vikings should have done everything they could to keep him on the field? What you are saying they should have done is say screw you sponsors we don't need your support?
i hope he half asses it this year as a vikeAh, yes, rush for 2000+ yards for the team that's screwing you over. That'll show em!No way he holds out... I'm with what one sports columnist wrote.. if he is still a Viking Saturday morning he will play this year with the Vikings. hopefully with a HUGE chip on his shoulder and rushes for 2000+ yards.I guess the upside would be that you are getting something in return for a guy that will most likely hold out at the very least be a distraction for the team. I guess it all depends how determined AP is. Does he hold out? Would the Vikings not trade him on principle alone? I, personally, would try to get something for him if he held out. I'm of the opinion that it is more likely that we see Peterson traded in week 3 of the season than before or during the draft.Sabertooth said:I just don't see the upside of selling cheap on him for the Vikings.![]()
This is why I say it's more likely that he would holdout or play hard. There won't be any in-between with this guy.i hope he half asses it this year as a vikeAh, yes, rush for 2000+ yards for the team that's screwing you over. That'll show em!No way he holds out... I'm with what one sports columnist wrote.. if he is still a Viking Saturday morning he will play this year with the Vikings. hopefully with a HUGE chip on his shoulder and rushes for 2000+ yards.I guess the upside would be that you are getting something in return for a guy that will most likely hold out at the very least be a distraction for the team. I guess it all depends how determined AP is. Does he hold out? Would the Vikings not trade him on principle alone? I, personally, would try to get something for him if he held out. I'm of the opinion that it is more likely that we see Peterson traded in week 3 of the season than before or during the draft.Sabertooth said:I just don't see the upside of selling cheap on him for the Vikings.![]()
i would love it
go ahead and destroy your football legacy to pout Peterson, that'll show everyone
if he is willing to do this, willing to tank to prove a point, then he is not the football player people think he is
I do agree with this. I think Peterson was always viewed as a good guy and team mate until the child abuse surfaced. I was always a fan of Peterson even as a Packer fan. He is a special talent but also has always worked hard and been a great team mate. He always seemed gracious to the media as well. I'm not sure he was ever quite the same outstanding individual in his private life though.I thought it was interesting that Teddy Bridgewater attended Peterson's birthday party...the players all get along great with him...if he plays for the Vikings he will play hard because he is a good teammate.
NFL players love free food. Read nothing into it.I thought it was interesting that Teddy Bridgewater attended Peterson's birthday party...the players all get along great with him...if he plays for the Vikings he will play hard because he is a good teammate.
No it's really not.So despite the fact that people were calling for his head and sponsors were starting to back out on the team the Vikings should have done everything they could to keep him on the field? What you are saying they should have done is say screw you sponsors we don't need your support?He potentially could have played the last two months of the season. His case was sorted out in the courts, and because of that, the Vikings could have pushed to have him reinstated during the season, or not left him dangling in some way.He feels that they should have come out IN SUPPORT of his actions???AP feels like the front office didn't have his back.My memory fails me, so I went back 35 pages looking for the answer... I couldn't find it. So, someone fill me in. What did the Vikes do that so ticked him off? I mean, did they actually throw him under the bus, or did they just stay away when he was pleading guilty?
Instead, they waited until the storm blew over, and magically, he gets reinstated before the draft.
Now, they want him back to help the young QB out, and are making all kinds of nice statements. You ask if they should have come out in support of his actions. What are they doing now, by wanting him back? I am guessing Peterson's attitude is that when the going got tough, the Vikes got going.
I agree with him. If the Vikes were sticking to some principles, and sickened by his actions, as I am, they would be moving on, and taking anything they could get to move him. Instead, the world has moved on, Vikes fans will welcome him back, and the media and Twitterverse will be less likely to roast the team publicly because he served some arbitrary punishment.
Peterson is one of the greatest Vikes ever, he knows that, and has a spotless public record with the team, as far as I know. I think he feels he bought a little credibility and love from the team, and got zero.
It's very weird, I am disgusted by what he did to his child, and applaud a team that wants nothing to do with him. At the same time, I see where Peterson is coming from, and hope he sticks to his guns. Peterson can be wrong for what he did, and still right about the Vikings doing him wrong.
I guess they should have taken on the court of public opinion and had every article about them being supporters of child abuse and child abusers go on and on instead of waiting for the outrage to blow over (which for the most part it has) before putting him back on the field?
I don't recall ever hearing anyone from the team saying they did not want AP back with the Vikings. Other than speculative articles where "A source close to the team" was supposedly quoted saying high ranking members of the Vikings organization did not want him back. On the contrary Zimmer and Spielman repeatedly said they wanted him back and stated he was an important and respected member of the team.
All this BS about the Vikings disrespecting him and not having his back is just that.
You don't recall anything, because the Vikes never made any comments that weren't completely devoid of any substance."I don't recall ever hearing anyone from the team saying they did not want AP back with the Vikings."
Me too."Lay low for a while, let this blow over, we'll still pay you, and then we'll get back on track."
Doesn't sound that bad to me.
Looks like what they did. They didn't say how much they loved him in every statement. Maybe that's what ticked him off.Me too."Lay low for a while, let this blow over, we'll still pay you, and then we'll get back on track."
Doesn't sound that bad to me.
Do you think they said that to him?
He had a harsh way of disciplining his kids that ended up being abuse, but I haven't heard of hitting his kids for non-disciplinary reasons.I do agree with this. I think Peterson was always viewed as a good guy and team mate until the child abuse surfaced. I was always a fan of Peterson even as a Packer fan. He is a special talent but also has always worked hard and been a great team mate. He always seemed gracious to the media as well. I'm not sure he was ever quite the same outstanding individual in his private life though.I thought it was interesting that Teddy Bridgewater attended Peterson's birthday party...the players all get along great with him...if he plays for the Vikings he will play hard because he is a good teammate.
He only knows one way to play and now he has a massive chip on his shoulder.This is why I say it's more likely that he would holdout or play hard. There won't be any in-between with this guy.
Plus he probably wanted to pet the camel that Peterson rode in on. How often do you get to do that?Shutout said:NFL players love free food. Read nothing into it.FunkyPlutos said:I thought it was interesting that Teddy Bridgewater attended Peterson's birthday party...the players all get along great with him...if he plays for the Vikings he will play hard because he is a good teammate.
I think we've learned a lot more about the Dogra dynamic since that occurred. Most notably, that he doesn't get a dime if the contract is not redone. Of course, trade and contract restructure is one way to get Dogra a payday. However, he also publically demanded a 'face of the franchise' new contract with Minnesota. He wouldn't be asking for a face of the franchise raise if returning to Minnesota was a non starter. If you boil it all down, this is likely all about money. AP has not said why he's "uncomfortable" and I think it is safe to speculate his non-guaranteed contract is what is driving that emotion. If it is all about money, then IMHO there is no chance that AP sacrifices all/part of $13M at age 30 by holding out. Maybe a 25 year old takes that approach, but not a 30 year old RB. A 30 year old RB is not going to hold out with upshot of getting an even better deal when he's a 31 year old RB, out of football at that point for the better part of 2 seasons..Funkley said:I'm sure it's somewhere in the thread but there was a pretty high profile blow up between a Viking front office exec and Peterson's agent over the winter. Couple that with last fall when supposedly the Viking front office was split on whether to fight for Peterson's reinstatement or not. One of the people supposedly fighting for Peterson to not be reinstated was Kevin Warren.....who was promoted in February to I believe COO. Apparently this did not go over well with Peterson and his camp. Things haven't seemed to be the same since and that's when the talk of "Peterson's days with Minnesota may be numbered" began.
Seems like small things with so much at stake for Peterson and the Vikes but a lot of breakups have started smaller.
Except I think it went more like:massraider said:Me too.Old Smiley said:"Lay low for a while, let this blow over, we'll still pay you, and then we'll get back on track."
Doesn't sound that bad to me.
Do you think they said that to him?
Well you're an idiot and a packers fan so you're biased and you predicted his decline before his single best season ever so I'm not sure you're gonna catch a lot of fish with this. AP isn't an egomaniac. Never has been. He felt like the Vikes didn't stand by him. Which is true. Because of $$$. That hurt him so he wants out. Sounds like the dialogue above is probably close-ish (albeit a bit player-centric)Oof. More like "I'm Adrian ####### Peterson. Everyone does what I want all the time. What the #### is going on here? I'm important!"
Wow, why is that called for? I am a Packers fan but I recognize the professionalism that the Vikings have shown and I'm an idiot for that? Give me a break. For the record what is Adrian going for these days?Well you're an idiot and a packers fan so you're biased and you predicted his decline before his single best season ever so I'm not sure you're gonna catch a lot of fish with this.AP isn't an egomaniac. Never has been. He felt like the Vikes didn't stand by him. Which is true. Because of $$$. That hurt him so he wants out. Sounds like the dialogue above is probably close-ish (albeit a bit player-centric)Oof. More like "I'm Adrian ####### Peterson. Everyone does what I want all the time. What the #### is going on here? I'm important!"![]()
Also what were the Vikings supposed to do. Adrian didn't do drugs or even get a DUI. He whipped a kid to the point of causing genital injuries. WTF were they supposed to do, support him and child beatings? Were they supposed to stonewall the media and hide him? Seriously, what were they supposed to do?Well you're an idiot and a packers fan so you're biased and you predicted his decline before his single best season ever so I'm not sure you're gonna catch a lot of fish with this.AP isn't an egomaniac. Never has been. He felt like the Vikes didn't stand by him. Which is true. Because of $$$. That hurt him so he wants out. Sounds like the dialogue above is probably close-ish (albeit a bit player-centric)Oof. More like "I'm Adrian ####### Peterson. Everyone does what I want all the time. What the #### is going on here? I'm important!"![]()
Distance themselves from the individual. Which they did. Until they didn't.Also what were the Vikings supposed to do. Adrian didn't do drugs or even get a DUI. He whipped a kid to the point of causing genital injuries. WTF were they supposed to do, support him and child beatings? Were they supposed to stonewall the media and hide him? Seriously, what were they supposed to do?Well you're an idiot and a packers fan so you're biased and you predicted his decline before his single best season ever so I'm not sure you're gonna catch a lot of fish with this.AP isn't an egomaniac. Never has been. He felt like the Vikes didn't stand by him. Which is true. Because of $$$. That hurt him so he wants out. Sounds like the dialogue above is probably close-ish (albeit a bit player-centric)Oof. More like "I'm Adrian ####### Peterson. Everyone does what I want all the time. What the #### is going on here? I'm important!"![]()
Nothing "happened" to Adrian. He willfully beat his kid to the point the police got involved. Probably many times. What is a professional organization supposed to do in this situation?
I'm not defending AP. Nowhere in my post did I say he should feel hurt. But your characterization of him is baseless and childish.Wow, why is that called for? I am a Packers fan but I recognize the professionalism that the Vikings have shown and I'm an idiot for that? Give me a break. For the record what is Adrian going for these days?Well you're an idiot and a packers fan so you're biased and you predicted his decline before his single best season ever so I'm not sure you're gonna catch a lot of fish with this.AP isn't an egomaniac. Never has been. He felt like the Vikes didn't stand by him. Which is true. Because of $$$. That hurt him so he wants out. Sounds like the dialogue above is probably close-ish (albeit a bit player-centric)Oof. More like "I'm Adrian ####### Peterson. Everyone does what I want all the time. What the #### is going on here? I'm important!"![]()
I've ignored Sabertooth's posts in this thread a while ago. Just in this thread though.I'm not defending AP. Nowhere in my post did I say he should feel hurt. But your characterization of him is baseless and childish.Wow, why is that called for? I am a Packers fan but I recognize the professionalism that the Vikings have shown and I'm an idiot for that? Give me a break. For the record what is Adrian going for these days?Well you're an idiot and a packers fan so you're biased and you predicted his decline before his single best season ever so I'm not sure you're gonna catch a lot of fish with this.AP isn't an egomaniac. Never has been. He felt like the Vikes didn't stand by him. Which is true. Because of $$$. That hurt him so he wants out. Sounds like the dialogue above is probably close-ish (albeit a bit player-centric)Oof. More like "I'm Adrian ####### Peterson. Everyone does what I want all the time. What the #### is going on here? I'm important!"![]()
You've posted in this thread more than any other person and you've repeatedly ignored the directive not to discuss child rearing. If that doesn't make you childish, it certainly makes you a troll.You called me an idiot, and I'm being childish?