Adrian Peterson, retired (1 Viewer)

[cstu]

"I won't ever use a switch again," Peterson told USA Today in his first extensive public remarks since being indicted for reckless or negligent injury to a child. "There's different situations where a child needs to be disciplined as far as timeout, taking their toys away, making them take a nap. There's so many different ways to discipline your kids."

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11911885/adrian-peterson-suspended-minnesota-vikings-running-back-apologizes-physical-abuse-son?addata=module-b

Took you long enough.

 

[Sabertooth]

I wonder what kind of abuse he's heaped on the kid for his predicament. You know he's blaming that kid for costing him money.

 

[fatness]

"I won't ever use a switch again," Peterson told USA Today in his first extensive public remarks since being indicted for reckless or negligent injury to a child. "There's different situations where a child needs to be disciplined as far as timeout, taking their toys away, making them take a nap. There's so many different ways to discipline your kids."

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11911885/adrian-peterson-suspended-minnesota-vikings-running-back-apologizes-physical-abuse-son?addata=module-b

Took you long enough.

Seems so sincere there, for a moment. Then this:

“Don’t say that I’m not remorseful, because in my statement, I showed that I was remorseful. I regretted everything that took place. I love my child, more than anyone could ever imagine.”

Way to bungle a statement of remorse.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

"I won't ever use a switch again," Peterson told USA Today in his first extensive public remarks since being indicted for reckless or negligent injury to a child. "There's different situations where a child needs to be disciplined as far as timeout, taking their toys away, making them take a nap. There's so many different ways to discipline your kids."

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11911885/adrian-peterson-suspended-minnesota-vikings-running-back-apologizes-physical-abuse-son?addata=module-b

Took you long enough.

Usually the contrition tour starts immediately. I was flabbergasted he delayed. The dynamics here are well established, yet he ignored them. No matter, it has begun now. Lets watch and see how wel he reads the script his lawyer and media consultant have written.

My favorite part of the tour is when he realizes that he has been a victim himself. He is nothing more than an unwitting pawn in a chain of violence and ignorance since his dad abused him. We can't really have ever expected him not to be a part of that chain, but now, thanks to growth from this incident, he will be breaking that chain.

 

[BigJim®]

There you go Adrian, eat some of that humble pie, ummm good. Better late than never on starting the contrition tour. We don't care if its sincere, we simply demand that you go through the motions. Unlike Rod Tidwell, we , society, demand that you dance.

I do wonder what would have happened had Peterson done an interview like that earlier. As mentioned, I think he's received horrid advice, The masses need to see contrition. His role as a victimized pawn for an NFLPA crusade is in conflict with his own best interests. As for the NFLPA, it's too bad they don't get that using this case and these facts to contest commissioner authority is more likely to result in unfavorable rulings from an arbitrator or judge. It will take tremendous bravery for either to issue an order which downplays the act of child abuse, and conclude the NFL over reacted under unquestionably broad CBA/PCP authority the NFLPA itself agreed to during CBA negotiations.

 

[Doug B]

AP's lawyer was so right when I head him the other day talking about how the league has absolutely no idea what they are doing and are suspending people based on public perception, a perception that is usually all jacked up as it is, and not even considering anything legal.

Well ... yeah. That's reality in 2014. If Hardin thought that the legal results would trump all, he was being extremely naive.

Now, whether the legal results should have trumped all ... that's a altogether diffferent debate. But in today's world -- for entertainers athletes, and famous people in general -- the favor of the cash-paying public rules all.

 

[Dizzy]

Ray Lewis Leonard Little and Donte Stallworth, the list goes on. They actually killed people, took someones life.

So Ray Lewis killed somebody now? You guys are hilarious.

Ray Lewis didn't kill someone. But how hilarious could this really be? Goodell can investigate and punish where people are not convicted, or even charged, so where RG is requiring Peterson meet his perquisites for child rea and therapy, what could he require for someone like Lewis who was involved in a murder, refused to testify or cooperate in the investigation... but was not charged? If AP gets a full season and indefinite suspension with no promise of return unless he meets a,b and c, what would a Lewis get today under this ad hoc PCP?

It does not matter. That was then, this is now.

Imagine how innocent Adrian Peterson would have been 10 years ago.

 

[Doug B]

As for the NFLPA, it's too bad they don't get that using this case and these facts to contest commissioner authority is more likely to result in unfavorable rulings from an arbitrator or judge. It will take tremendous bravery for either to issue an order which downplays the act of child abuse, and conclude the NFL over reacted under unquestionably broad CBA/PCP authority the NFLPA itself agreed to during CBA negotiations.

The hard part for the union when bargaining the next CBA is that they can't ask for a rollback of commissioner power without giving something up (and don't think the owners don't appreciate that). If players want a bigger share of profits or want to stave off 18-game seasons or whatever, they pretty much have to give up on fighting commissioner power to interpret and enforce the PCP.

 

[Jerry Curl]

AP's lawyer was so right when I head him the other day talking about how the league has absolutely no idea what they are doing and are suspending people based on public perception, a perception that is usually all jacked up as it is, and not even considering anything legal.

Well ... yeah. That's reality in 2014. If Hardin thought that the legal results would trump all, he was being extremely naive.

Now, whether the legal results should have trumped all ... that's a altogether diffferent debate. But in today's world -- for entertainers athletes, and famous people in general -- the favor of the cash-paying public rules all.

Only rules if you let it. Places like McDs and fast food chains do not care about you or making your food properly yet they are making a ton none the less. Why? Because they know the product trumps public opinion. Its fast and easy and some what cheap. They mess up our orders yet we still go back. They make extremely hot coffee that is a matter of legend now and theya re still the biggest fast food chain out there. Stop giving the public more power then they think they have because some allow it.

Football is huge and will make money regardless. I know I'm not gonna stop watching football or going to games because one athlete that the league with all the morals (the same league that hid concussion issues and offers no guaranteed contracts t players who are more at risk for injury than any sport) breaks a law. It is a shame if anyone really believes people will stop watching football if Peterson played another game this year. If they did, would it even be enough to matter.

On top of it I think it is a joke that the NFL even speaks of morals. Its like Madoff telling someone how to invest.

 

[BigJim®]

Apologies if this has been mentioned, but Mortensen is reporting that AP probably won't be back with the Vikings next year while AP has said, 'it's probably best to move on from Minnesota'.

Well, that was not APs actual quote and it lacks context. He said 'maybe', which is a lot different from 'probably.' The context was he would have preferred to come back in 2014 so he could determine whether Minnesotans accepted him and his family. Here's the specific quotes:

“I would love to go back and play in Minnesota to get a feel and just see if my family still feels comfortable there,” Peterson said. “But if there’s word out that hey, they might release me, then so be it. I would feel good knowing that I’ve given everything I had in me.”Peterson also said he has given thought to the idea that “maybe it’s best for me to get a fresh start somewhere else.”

 

[Alonzo Mosely]

Apologies if this has been mentioned, but Mortensen is reporting that AP probably won't be back with the Vikings next year while AP has said, 'it's probably best to move on from Minnesota'.

I thought this was assumed given his cap hit alone.

 

[Doug B]

Football is huge and will make money regardless. I know I'm not gonna stop watching football or going to games because one athlete that the league with all the morals (the same league that hid concussion issues and offers no guaranteed contracts t players who are more at risk for injury than any sport) breaks a law. It is a shame if anyone really believes people will stop watching football if Peterson played another game this year. If they did, would it even be enough to matter.

You're thinking short-term, and you're taking yourself as the default NFL consumer.

It's not that league worries about not making money anymore. They're thinking longer term, about long, slow, generational declines. Sure, a negligible drop in ratings or ad dollars today matters little. But, for example, boxing didn't lose its place on the American sports scene overnight. The numbers of new fans of boxing dwindled throughout the decades for sundry reasons, some of which the NFL is staring at now. The same could very well happen to pro football -- the number of youth participants are already dwindling.

And catering to the hardcore NFL fans is not where the money's made anymore, anyway. Work the margins, stoke the interests of the casual fans, the women, the kids, the general "non-sports" folks -- that's what the NFL has been attempting for a good 20 years or better. Allowing the NFL to turn into real-life Rollerball leaves a lot of that money on the table.

On top of all that, the bargaining-chip angle (post #1614 above) holds a lot of sway, as well. Even if you're totally correct, and NFL profits are completely inelastic and impervious to various market forces, why wouldn't the league owners be in favor of events that give them great leverage during the next CBA negotiations with the players? That puts more money in their pockets, too.

 

[Dondante]

Probably time to shut this thread down.

 

[cstu]

"I won't ever use a switch again," Peterson told USA Today in his first extensive public remarks since being indicted for reckless or negligent injury to a child. "There's different situations where a child needs to be disciplined as far as timeout, taking their toys away, making them take a nap. There's so many different ways to discipline your kids."

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11911885/adrian-peterson-suspended-minnesota-vikings-running-back-apologizes-physical-abuse-son?addata=module-b

Took you long enough.

Seems so sincere there, for a moment. Then this:

“Don’t say that I’m not remorseful, because in my statement, I showed that I was remorseful. I regretted everything that took place. I love my child, more than anyone could ever imagine.”

Way to bungle a statement of remorse.

Just get on Oprah already, Adrian.

 

[Doug B]

Probably time to shut this thread down.

Why? No harm in discussing this further.

I'd say it's no longer Shark Pool material, though.

 

[Dondante]

Probably time to shut this thread down.

Why? No harm in discussing this further.

I'd say it's no longer Shark Pool material, though.

Oh I agree it's a worthwhile discussion. There are just a few posters recently who are really missing the point of the thread and classlessly (if you will) trolling around in very serious waters. I suppose I could put them on ignore. I don't know that moving it to the FFA would change much of anything. Except for the fact that I stay out of there. It's just a shame that while there's certainly lessons to be learned in this thread and even wisdom to be imparted, there are still folks who insist on selfishly mucking up these particular waters. Same as day one, I guess.

 

[JimmyJabroni]

"I won't ever use a switch again," Peterson told USA Today in his first extensive public remarks since being indicted for reckless or negligent injury to a child. "There's different situations where a child needs to be disciplined as far as timeout, taking their toys away, making them take a nap. There's so many different ways to discipline your kids."

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11911885/adrian-peterson-suspended-minnesota-vikings-running-back-apologizes-physical-abuse-son?addata=module-b

Took you long enough.

I don't understand why players at his level don't all have hired PR people to manage them and their image. He should have been saying this from the beginning whether he inintially believed it or not.

 

[mnmplayer]

"I won't ever use a switch again," Peterson told USA Today in his first extensive public remarks since being indicted for reckless or negligent injury to a child. "There's different situations where a child needs to be disciplined as far as timeout, taking their toys away, making them take a nap. There's so many different ways to discipline your kids."

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11911885/adrian-peterson-suspended-minnesota-vikings-running-back-apologizes-physical-abuse-son?addata=module-b

Took you long enough.

Day late and a dolla short. But you know I mentioned before, that this actually works into his favor because his agent will be talking up how he got one less year of wear and tear on his 30 year old body (and he was paid for most of the year anyway). He is lucky NFL doesn't take back his pay. Anyhow, 2015 AP will be much fresher and ready to make a splash somewhere else. If he really did execute this mastermind plan from the beginning to "pretend" he wanted back in, but knew that he wouldn't make it by making dumb moves (missing Friday meeting) I think it worked for good in the long run of his career, because really what did he have to prove in those final 6 games? He has nothing to prove talent wise and got a boost in his 2015 value if anything missing this year healthy.

 

[mnmplayer]

I think its official now, the writing is on the wall. Even AP has given up at this point on 2014.

Minnesota Vikings RB Adrian Peterson said he'll gladly return this season if he wins the appeal of his indefinite suspension. If he loses his appeal and has to sit out the rest of this season, he's not certain he'll return with the Vikings. He has given a lot of thought to the idea of getting a fresh start somewhere else.

 

[mnmplayer]

"I won't ever use a switch again," Peterson told USA Today in his first extensive public remarks since being indicted for reckless or negligent injury to a child. "There's different situations where a child needs to be disciplined as far as timeout, taking their toys away, making them take a nap. There's so many different ways to discipline your kids."

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11911885/adrian-peterson-suspended-minnesota-vikings-running-back-apologizes-physical-abuse-son?addata=module-b

Took you long enough.

I don't understand why players at his level don't all have hired PR people to manage them and their image. He should have been saying this from the beginning whether he inintially believed it or not.

Totally agree. At the time tho, the internet lawyers would have you believe he and the NFLPA had all this power under their sleeves and were about to really show the NFL what's what.

 

[cstu]

I think its official now, the writing is on the wall. Even AP has given up at this point on 2014.

Minnesota Vikings RB Adrian Peterson said he'll gladly return this season if he wins the appeal of his indefinite suspension. If he loses his appeal and has to sit out the rest of this season, he's not certain he'll return with the Vikings. He has given a lot of thought to the idea of getting a fresh start somewhere else.

He was making comments about leaving Minnesota last year and this certainly doesn't give him any reason to stay.

 

[tjnc09]

NBA Union saying Jeff Taylor's domestic violence suspension of 24 games violates their CBA.

I think a dangerous precedent is being started for sports. While each single player is replaceable no matter who they are, it's a completely different situation when an union is involved.

 

[JimmyJabroni]

"I won't ever use a switch again," Peterson told USA Today in his first extensive public remarks since being indicted for reckless or negligent injury to a child. "There's different situations where a child needs to be disciplined as far as timeout, taking their toys away, making them take a nap. There's so many different ways to discipline your kids."

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11911885/adrian-peterson-suspended-minnesota-vikings-running-back-apologizes-physical-abuse-son?addata=module-b

Took you long enough.

I don't understand why players at his level don't all have hired PR people to manage them and their image. He should have been saying this from the beginning whether he inintially believed it or not.

Totally agree. At the time tho, the internet lawyers would have you believe he and the NFLPA had all this power under their sleeves and were about to really show the NFL what's what.

You have to wonder if Goodell may have thought differently about letting him play had he taken this tune immediately after his case ended?

 

[mnmplayer]

NBA Union saying Jeff Taylor's domestic violence suspension of 24 games violates their CBA.

I think a dangerous precedent is being started for sports. While each single player is replaceable no matter who they are, it's a completely different situation when an union is involved.

Yes but is the rest of the union going to strike for one bozo? This is why the unions don't have any power on a case by case basis. Strike is the only trump card they have. I guess if all the players gang raped somebody then they could threaten to strike... Doubtful.

 

[Doug B]

I don't understand why players at his level don't all have hired PR people to manage them and their image. He should have been saying this from the beginning whether he inintially believed it or not.

I don't know if Peterson had a personal publicity flak on payroll, but the Vikings have that kind of staff. Both Peterson's agent and attorney have access to publicity staffers through the basic nature of their work. Just looks to me like a lot of Peterson's advisers misread the landscape -- they put way too much importance on "beating" the legal charges and not enough on image rehab. 1995 advice applied to 2014 realities.

 

[Doug B]

NBA Union saying Jeff Taylor's domestic violence suspension of 24 games violates their CBA.

I think a dangerous precedent is being started for sports. While each single player is replaceable no matter who they are, it's a completely different situation when an union is involved.

Yes but is the rest of the union going to strike for one bozo? This is why the unions don't have any power on a case by case basis. Strike is the only trump card they have. I guess if all the players gang raped somebody then they could threaten to strike... Doubtful.

The sports unions don't have near the power of traditional blue-collar labor unions. One big reason is that too many individual players have too much to lose as their salaries have risen so much -- sitting out a season on principle costs them a significant chunk of their lifetime earnings.

 

[CalBear]

Generally unions have a no-strike clause in their CBA; they can't legally strike until the agreement runs out. Their avenues for legal redress are spelled out in the agreement; usually, arbitration and/or lawsuit. The union might sue, it won't strike over this.

 

[mnmplayer]

all I am saying is that a strike is the only power play they have, and that will occur in 0% of these kinds of misbehaving cases, therefore the player has no power and playing a strategy as if you were playing from a position of power is a gross miscalculation.

 

[Rockchild]

NBA Union saying Jeff Taylor's domestic violence suspension of 24 games violates their CBA.

I think a dangerous precedent is being started for sports. While each single player is replaceable no matter who they are, it's a completely different situation when an union is involved.

Yes but is the rest of the union going to strike for one bozo? This is why the unions don't have any power on a case by case basis. Strike is the only trump card they have. I guess if all the players gang raped somebody then they could threaten to strike... Doubtful.

No, I don't think they're going to strike but I think this isn't being fully thought out by any of the leagues(which isn't surprising to me). Making up these arbitrary rules and punishments on the go is setting them up for bigger PR nightmares in the future. I know they don't think about the future very much(as proven by all of this) and only what might affect them now. It's not the actions of the unions that will necessarily create problems for the leagues but the leagues themselves. They are creating a reactionary atmosphere dictated by public outcry and not by well thought out and fair policies with input from their so called partners(a term management loves to use, lol).

 

[tjnc09]

NBA Union saying Jeff Taylor's domestic violence suspension of 24 games violates their CBA.

I think a dangerous precedent is being started for sports. While each single player is replaceable no matter who they are, it's a completely different situation when an union is involved.

Yes but is the rest of the union going to strike for one bozo? This is why the unions don't have any power on a case by case basis. Strike is the only trump card they have. I guess if all the players gang raped somebody then they could threaten to strike... Doubtful.

There are a lot of "bozos" who are professional athletes. Apparently you have missed that Dwight Howard is being investigated for child abuse. Slava Voynov is a NHL player who was just charge with felony domestic abuse. The "excessive" suspensions have only begun in professional sports because that's what the leagues feel they need to do now.

This was never really an issue for leagues to deal with. Yeah, athletes did a lot of very stupid things, but it never affected their image the way it does now. I think it's only the beginning of every little off the field problem being scrutinized and overly punished.

 

[mnmplayer]

NBA Union saying Jeff Taylor's domestic violence suspension of 24 games violates their CBA.

I think a dangerous precedent is being started for sports. While each single player is replaceable no matter who they are, it's a completely different situation when an union is involved.

Yes but is the rest of the union going to strike for one bozo? This is why the unions don't have any power on a case by case basis. Strike is the only trump card they have. I guess if all the players gang raped somebody then they could threaten to strike... Doubtful.

There are a lot of "bozos" who are professional athletes. Apparently you have missed that Dwight Howard is being investigated for child abuse. Slava Voynov is a NHL player who was just charge with felony domestic abuse. The "excessive" suspensions have only begun in professional sports because that's what the leagues feel they need to do now.

This was never really an issue for leagues to deal with. Yeah, athletes did a lot of very stupid things, but it never affected their image the way it does now. I think it's only the beginning of every little off the field problem being scrutinized and overly punished.

You act like this is the first time harsh actions were taking in the history of the NFL and it used to be a bunch of softies. Punishments today are soft and easily forgive if the player takes the right PR approach. Remember when buddy Ryan cut, YES CUT, the now HOF Chris Carter for drug/substance abuse and it was the best thing that could have happened to him at the time. The only difference is people at the time didn't know why he was cut. I am sure this board would explode if somebody got cut like Calvin Johnson, for no reason specified to the media. Buddy never told anyone why he cut the man, and he did it for his welfare. Chris Carter would not have made it into the HOF if Buddy didn't cut him that day.

That fact is the morale degradation of society as a whole is to blame, and the punishment is only now starting to catch up.

 

[Jerry Curl]

NBA Union saying Jeff Taylor's domestic violence suspension of 24 games violates their CBA.

I think a dangerous precedent is being started for sports. While each single player is replaceable no matter who they are, it's a completely different situation when an union is involved.

Yes but is the rest of the union going to strike for one bozo? This is why the unions don't have any power on a case by case basis. Strike is the only trump card they have. I guess if all the players gang raped somebody then they could threaten to strike... Doubtful.

No one is going to strike to defend the one guy, its about the violation of the CBA and their rights and that it can happen to them next. Regardless of the crime.

Is it that hard to really understand?

 

[Bojang0301]

Goodell is far to busy to sit player appeals anymore. Way too important for that.

 

[Bojang0301]

NBA Union saying Jeff Taylor's domestic violence suspension of 24 games violates their CBA.

I think a dangerous precedent is being started for sports. While each single player is replaceable no matter who they are, it's a completely different situation when an union is involved.

Yes but is the rest of the union going to strike for one bozo? This is why the unions don't have any power on a case by case basis. Strike is the only trump card they have. I guess if all the players gang raped somebody then they could threaten to strike... Doubtful.

There are a lot of "bozos" who are professional athletes. Apparently you have missed that Dwight Howard is being investigated for child abuse. Slava Voynov is a NHL player who was just charge with felony domestic abuse. The "excessive" suspensions have only begun in professional sports because that's what the leagues feel they need to do now.This was never really an issue for leagues to deal with. Yeah, athletes did a lot of very stupid things, but it never affected their image the way it does now. I think it's only the beginning of every little off the field problem being scrutinized and overly punished.

You act like this is the first time harsh actions were taking in the history of the NFL and it used to be a bunch of softies. Punishments today are soft and easily forgive if the player takes the right PR approach. Remember when buddy Ryan cut, YES CUT, the now HOF Chris Carter for drug/substance abuse and it was the best thing that could have happened to him at the time. The only difference is people at the time didn't know why he was cut. I am sure this board would explode if somebody got cut like Calvin Johnson, for no reason specified to the media. Buddy never told anyone why he cut the man, and he did it for his welfare. Chris Carter would not have made it into the HOF if Buddy didn't cut him that day.That fact is the morale degradation of society as a whole is to blame, and the punishment is only now starting to catch up.

Hey remember when Donte Stallworth killed a guy a half decade ago and nothing happened. Give me a break guy. It has always been leanient. Ive heard this story. Teams were toppling over themselves to sign CC.

 

[Doug B]

Hey remember when Donte Stallworth killed a guy a half decade ago and nothing happened. Give me a break guy. It has always been leanient. Ive heard this story. Teams were toppling over themselves to sign CC.

Double-check that -- seen a lot of people post this on various boards.

Leonard Little -- another popular whipping boy -- was also punished. Now, if you want to argue that both men got off too lightly, that can be argued reasonably. But don't say that these guys got off scott-free. They didn't.

 

[mnmplayer]

NBA Union saying Jeff Taylor's domestic violence suspension of 24 games violates their CBA.

I think a dangerous precedent is being started for sports. While each single player is replaceable no matter who they are, it's a completely different situation when an union is involved.

Yes but is the rest of the union going to strike for one bozo? This is why the unions don't have any power on a case by case basis. Strike is the only trump card they have. I guess if all the players gang raped somebody then they could threaten to strike... Doubtful.

No one is going to strike to defend the one guy, its about the violation of the CBA and their rights and that it can happen to them next. Regardless of the crime.

Is it that hard to really understand?

Miss the point much? Nobody is saying they will strike, but its their only power play

all I am saying is that a strike is the only power play they have, and that will occur in 0% of these kinds of misbehaving cases, therefore the player has no power and playing a strategy as if you were playing from a position of power is a gross miscalculation.

 

[justinl]

Awesome, won't even know his status until the week playoffs start! Can't wait to be the team that faces him randomly in round 1 and gets slaughtered ;-)

 

[BigJim®]

NBA Union saying Jeff Taylor's domestic violence suspension of 24 games violates their CBA.

I think a dangerous precedent is being started for sports. While each single player is replaceable no matter who they are, it's a completely different situation when an union is involved.

Yes but is the rest of the union going to strike for one bozo? This is why the unions don't have any power on a case by case basis. Strike is the only trump card they have. I guess if all the players gang raped somebody then they could threaten to strike... Doubtful.

No one is going to strike to defend the one guy, its about the violation of the CBA and their rights and that it can happen to them next. Regardless of the crime.

Is it that hard to really understand?

Yes, it is hard to understand when you put it into terms of forming a rally cry around "Regardless of the crime... ." I don't think the larger group of players believes they will ever commit a crime, when 99% of them do not. I can't imagine they worry about future NFL criminals enough to risk wasting a portion of their own NFL career... which for NFL players I believe averages out to 3 years. If the NFL players go on a strike, it should be because they dropped the ball miserably negotiating guaranteed contracts in a sport that has a 100% injury rate. What did they win again during the last CBA negotiation?

 

[KellysHeroes]

Ray Lewis Leonard Little and Donte Stallworth, the list goes on. They actually killed people, took someones life.

So Ray Lewis killed somebody now? You guys are hilarious.

Ray Lewis didn't kill someone. But how hilarious could this really be? Goodell can investigate and punish where people are not convicted, or even charged, so where RG is requiring Peterson meet his perquisites for child rea and therapy, what could he require for someone like Lewis who was involved in a murder, refused to testify or cooperate in the investigation... but was not charged? If AP gets a full season and indefinite suspension with no promise of return unless he meets a,b and c, what would a Lewis get today under this ad hoc PCP?

do you know what Lewis did? Because nobody else does.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Ray Lewis Leonard Little and Donte Stallworth, the list goes on. They actually killed people, took someones life.

So Ray Lewis killed somebody now? You guys are hilarious.

Ray Lewis didn't kill someone. But how hilarious could this really be? Goodell can investigate and punish where people are not convicted, or even charged, so where RG is requiring Peterson meet his perquisites for child rea and therapy, what could he require for someone like Lewis who was involved in a murder, refused to testify or cooperate in the investigation... but was not charged? If AP gets a full season and indefinite suspension with no promise of return unless he meets a,b and c, what would a Lewis get today under this ad hoc PCP?

do you know what Lewis did? Because nobody else does.

Well in Goodell's world failing to provide information to the NFL is an aggravating circumstance leading to a harsher penalty. I don't think Goodell asked Lewis for information about what he was doing around a murder, far from it apparently he actually offered him a league job.

 

[menobrown]

NBA Union saying Jeff Taylor's domestic violence suspension of 24 games violates their CBA.

I think a dangerous precedent is being started for sports. While each single player is replaceable no matter who they are, it's a completely different situation when an union is involved.

Yes but is the rest of the union going to strike for one bozo? This is why the unions don't have any power on a case by case basis. Strike is the only trump card they have. I guess if all the players gang raped somebody then they could threaten to strike... Doubtful.

No one is going to strike to defend the one guy, its about the violation of the CBA and their rights and that it can happen to them next. Regardless of the crime.

Is it that hard to really understand?

Miss the point much? Nobody is saying they will strike, but its their only power play

I was actually thinking of this the other day, that a strike was their only power play. And as the two of you have mentioned it won't happen, but for the first time in my life I'd support a strike on the players end. It won't happen this time because it's one player and while I'm sure AP is not reviled by other NFL players and still commands their respect he's also not a sympathetic figure either. But if this keeps up as the way the NFL chooses to operate I'm not ruling out the possibility of player walkout by sometime next season.

 

[LOCO]

so you telling me there is a chance??

 

[mbuehner]

Speaking of Ray Lewis, he had 2 allegations at Miami of domestic abuse of two different women both knocked up w his babies at the times. Miami disappeared the investigations of course. Real role model Ray Ray.

 

[BigJim®]

NBA Union saying Jeff Taylor's domestic violence suspension of 24 games violates their CBA.

I think a dangerous precedent is being started for sports. While each single player is replaceable no matter who they are, it's a completely different situation when an union is involved.

Yes but is the rest of the union going to strike for one bozo? This is why the unions don't have any power on a case by case basis. Strike is the only trump card they have. I guess if all the players gang raped somebody then they could threaten to strike... Doubtful.

No one is going to strike to defend the one guy, its about the violation of the CBA and their rights and that it can happen to them next. Regardless of the crime.

Is it that hard to really understand?

Miss the point much? Nobody is saying they will strike, but its their only power play

I was actually thinking of this the other day, that a strike was their only power play. And as the two of you have mentioned it won't happen, but for the first time in my life I'd support a strike on the players end. It won't happen this time because it's one player and while I'm sure AP is not reviled by other NFL players and still commands their respect he's also not a sympathetic figure either. But if this keeps up as the way the NFL chooses to operate I'm not ruling out the possibility of player walkout by sometime next season.

This surprises me. You would support an NFL player strike to limit suspensions of wife beaters or child abusers? Has authority been abused in other situations and I missed it? I just can't get too worked up over 2 player suspensions, under the isolated factual scenarios it has occurred. Based on a KFAN interview with C John Sullivan, I don't think NFL players themselves are that worked up over it. They may not like it, they may be questioning how poorly they negotiated PCP process, but they sure as heck aren't going to start picketing and voluntarily shortening their own fleeting careers over it.

 

[Joe Summer]

Hey remember when Donte Stallworth killed a guy a half decade ago and nothing happened. Give me a break guy. It has always been leanient. Ive heard this story. Teams were toppling over themselves to sign CC.

Double-check that -- seen a lot of people post this on various boards.

Leonard Little -- another popular whipping boy -- was also punished. Now, if you want to argue that both men got off too lightly, that can be argued reasonably. But don't say that these guys got off scott-free. They didn't.

I'll give credit to Stallworth for turning his life around and trying to make amends for what happened.

 

[cstu]

(KFFL)Minnesota Vikings RB Adrian Peterson's return is being threatened by Vikings general counsel Kevin Warren, who is working with the NFL to keep Peterson off the field, according to league sources.

 

[Doug B]

(KFFL)Minnesota Vikings RB Adrian Peterson's return is being threatened by Vikings general counsel Kevin Warren, who is working with the NFL to keep Peterson off the field, according to league sources.

Does Warren work directly for Wilf or for the league?

If it's the former, shame on Wilf for not having the courage of his convictions.

 

[Raider Nation]

Did Goodell ignore Peterson's press release like he ignored Rice's video tape?

http://www.vikings.com/news/article-1/Statement-From-Adrian-Peterson/aabb41f8-1afe-4133-8b30-71390b6a3fbf

My attorney has asked me not to discuss the facts of my pending case. I hope you can respect that request and help me honor it. I very much want the public to hear from me but I understand that it is not appropriate to talk about the facts in detail at this time. Nevertheless, I want everyone to understand how sorry I feel about the hurt I have brought to my child.

I never wanted to be a distraction to the Vikings organization, the Minnesota community or to my teammates. I never imagined being in a position where the world is judging my parenting skills or calling me a child abuser because of the discipline I administered to my son.

I voluntarily appeared before the grand jury several weeks ago to answer any and all questions they had. Before my grand jury appearance, I was interviewed by two different police agencies without an attorney. In each of these interviews I have said the same thing, and that is that I never ever intended to harm my son. I will say the same thing once I have my day in court.

I have to live with the fact that when I disciplined my son the way I was disciplined as a child, I caused an injury that I never intended or thought would happen. I know that many people disagree with the way I disciplined my child. I also understand after meeting with a psychologist that there are other alternative ways of disciplining a child that may be more appropriate.

I have learned a lot and have had to reevaluate how I discipline my son going forward. But deep in my heart I have always believed I could have been one of those kids that was lost in the streets without the discipline instilled in me by my parents and other relatives. I have always believed that the way my parents disciplined me has a great deal to do with the success I have enjoyed as a man. I love my son and I will continue to become a better parent and learn from any mistakes I ever make.

I am not a perfect son. I am not a perfect husband. I am not a perfect parent, but I am, without a doubt, not a child abuser. I am someone that disciplined his child and did not intend to cause him any injury. No one can understand the hurt that I feel for my son and for the harm I caused him. My goal is always to teach my son right from wrong and that's what I tried to do that day.

I accept the fact that people feel very strongly about this issue and what they think about my conduct. Regardless of what others think, however, I love my son very much and I will continue to try to become a better father and person.

That came from cheapremorsestatements.com.

What, you don't think he authored that intelligent, thoughtful statement all by himself???

Adrian Peterson @AdrianPeterson · 1d 1 day ago

The GRAND JURY DECIDED NOT TO INDICT ME TOO! But that changed a week LATER! MAYBE,BUT NOT LIKELY N THIS CASE #PUTyourTrustNGODnotINtheWORLD!

 

[TDorBust]

Did Goodell ignore Peterson's press release like he ignored Rice's video tape?

http://www.vikings.com/news/article-1/Statement-From-Adrian-Peterson/aabb41f8-1afe-4133-8b30-71390b6a3fbf

My attorney has asked me not to discuss the facts of my pending case. I hope you can respect that request and help me honor it. I very much want the public to hear from me but I understand that it is not appropriate to talk about the facts in detail at this time. Nevertheless, I want everyone to understand how sorry I feel about the hurt I have brought to my child.

I never wanted to be a distraction to the Vikings organization, the Minnesota community or to my teammates. I never imagined being in a position where the world is judging my parenting skills or calling me a child abuser because of the discipline I administered to my son.

I voluntarily appeared before the grand jury several weeks ago to answer any and all questions they had. Before my grand jury appearance, I was interviewed by two different police agencies without an attorney. In each of these interviews I have said the same thing, and that is that I never ever intended to harm my son. I will say the same thing once I have my day in court.

I have to live with the fact that when I disciplined my son the way I was disciplined as a child, I caused an injury that I never intended or thought would happen. I know that many people disagree with the way I disciplined my child. I also understand after meeting with a psychologist that there are other alternative ways of disciplining a child that may be more appropriate.

I have learned a lot and have had to reevaluate how I discipline my son going forward. But deep in my heart I have always believed I could have been one of those kids that was lost in the streets without the discipline instilled in me by my parents and other relatives. I have always believed that the way my parents disciplined me has a great deal to do with the success I have enjoyed as a man. I love my son and I will continue to become a better parent and learn from any mistakes I ever make.

I am not a perfect son. I am not a perfect husband. I am not a perfect parent, but I am, without a doubt, not a child abuser. I am someone that disciplined his child and did not intend to cause him any injury. No one can understand the hurt that I feel for my son and for the harm I caused him. My goal is always to teach my son right from wrong and that's what I tried to do that day.

I accept the fact that people feel very strongly about this issue and what they think about my conduct. Regardless of what others think, however, I love my son very much and I will continue to try to become a better father and person.

That came from cheapremorsestatements.com.

What, you don't think he authored that intelligent, thoughtful statement all by himself???

Adrian Peterson @AdrianPeterson · 1d 1 day ago

The GRAND JURY DECIDED NOT TO INDICT ME TOO! But that changed a week LATER! MAYBE,BUT NOT LIKELY N THIS CASE #PUTyourTrustNGODnotINtheWORLD!

This is part of the reason if I were an agent, brand manager, or connected in anyway with these sports superstars I would revoke their privilege to post anything without running it through me first. Twitter is fine for "Good Game" or "Great Movie I Just Watched" or maybe "Happy Thursday" but it is not good for trying to prove a point, make a statement, or otherwise try to show someone up.

Even if AP was extremely intelligent and could create masterfully written statements (no clue if he can and dont care) twitter will never allow you to actually get your real thoughts out without sounding simple (in the bad way usually).

Twitter shorthand: "AP no rite good on twit"

 

[Alonzo Mosely]

Did Goodell ignore Peterson's press release like he ignored Rice's video tape?

http://www.vikings.com/news/article-1/Statement-From-Adrian-Peterson/aabb41f8-1afe-4133-8b30-71390b6a3fbf

My attorney has asked me not to discuss the facts of my pending case. I hope you can respect that request and help me honor it. I very much want the public to hear from me but I understand that it is not appropriate to talk about the facts in detail at this time. Nevertheless, I want everyone to understand how sorry I feel about the hurt I have brought to my child.

I never wanted to be a distraction to the Vikings organization, the Minnesota community or to my teammates. I never imagined being in a position where the world is judging my parenting skills or calling me a child abuser because of the discipline I administered to my son.

I voluntarily appeared before the grand jury several weeks ago to answer any and all questions they had. Before my grand jury appearance, I was interviewed by two different police agencies without an attorney. In each of these interviews I have said the same thing, and that is that I never ever intended to harm my son. I will say the same thing once I have my day in court.

I have to live with the fact that when I disciplined my son the way I was disciplined as a child, I caused an injury that I never intended or thought would happen. I know that many people disagree with the way I disciplined my child. I also understand after meeting with a psychologist that there are other alternative ways of disciplining a child that may be more appropriate.

I have learned a lot and have had to reevaluate how I discipline my son going forward. But deep in my heart I have always believed I could have been one of those kids that was lost in the streets without the discipline instilled in me by my parents and other relatives. I have always believed that the way my parents disciplined me has a great deal to do with the success I have enjoyed as a man. I love my son and I will continue to become a better parent and learn from any mistakes I ever make.

I am not a perfect son. I am not a perfect husband. I am not a perfect parent, but I am, without a doubt, not a child abuser. I am someone that disciplined his child and did not intend to cause him any injury. No one can understand the hurt that I feel for my son and for the harm I caused him. My goal is always to teach my son right from wrong and that's what I tried to do that day.

I accept the fact that people feel very strongly about this issue and what they think about my conduct. Regardless of what others think, however, I love my son very much and I will continue to try to become a better father and person.

That came from cheapremorsestatements.com.

What, you don't think he authored that intelligent, thoughtful statement all by himself???

Adrian Peterson @AdrianPeterson · 1d 1 day ago

The GRAND JURY DECIDED NOT TO INDICT ME TOO! But that changed a week LATER! MAYBE,BUT NOT LIKELY N THIS CASE #PUTyourTrustNGODnotINtheWORLD!

This is part of the reason if I were an agent, brand manager, or connected in anyway with these sports superstars I would revoke their privilege to post anything without running it through me first.

What's the other part of the reason?