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Adrian Peterson, retired (2 Viewers)

Some people in this thread just don't get it. It has nothing to with who better Murray or ADP. It is about Dallas being able to afford neither. If Dallas wants to sign Dez to a long term they need to free up some cap money this year or next, not breaking the bank on a running back seems like a good way of doing that.
The Cowboys could get under the cap and sign AP if they signed Dez to a long-term deal right now. If they can't do that then they can restructure Romo's deal to reduce his $28M cap number. They aren't doing that yet in order to give them more leverage against Dez.

 
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And I still think it would be crazy to expect AP to do much more than what Murray just did.

You're bringing on the PR issues, age and possible chemistry issues and going to have to pay him millions more and give up a pick.

I just don't see it.

Smart move is that you'd stay with what you have for less or get someone else just as cheap or less and/or draft...knowing that line is top notch.

Makes no sense to offer Murray 5-6 million but offer AP 8-9 million and lose a pick when you have cap issues.

 
Some people in this thread just don't get it. It has nothing to with who better Murray or ADP. It is about Dallas being able to afford neither. If Dallas wants to sign Dez to a long term they need to free up some cap money this year or next, not breaking the bank on a running back seems like a good way of doing that.
I said the same thing about Ingram. I said Ingram was gone no matter what because they can't afford him. Couple days later, they sign the guy.

 
That was two years ago when he was 27. Now he's 30. Big difference. Also Murray just ran for 1845. That's more than Peterson has ever gotten with the exception of that one season. So I think we are comparing apples to apples with Murray and Peterson. Peterson is rushing for 40 less YPG ever since coming off roids his miracle season.
He's had 300 carries since he did that at 27. And you think if he was doing roids to recover from his ACL that he hasn't been doing them during his suspension?
Good point. I remember a baseball player (Caminiti maybe) talking about how amazing it is when a player comes back from an injury and is suddenly much stronger and better than they were as a 24 or 25 year old. He said that steroids and pharmaceuticals greatly help the healing process and the player start to realize that it can be taken from them so they stay on. Adrian is a great example of this - he averaged 33 more YPC and a full 1.0 YPC during that season. That's the only thing I can come up with. I'm not judging him for it. I'd do it. That's legacy changing money.

 
Some people in this thread just don't get it. It has nothing to with who better Murray or ADP. It is about Dallas being able to afford neither. If Dallas wants to sign Dez to a long term they need to free up some cap money this year or next, not breaking the bank on a running back seems like a good way of doing that.
I said the same thing about Ingram. I said Ingram was gone no matter what because they can't afford him. Couple days later, they sign the guy.
No one expected him to take $3.8M a year either.

 
The reason Peterson to Dallas is a story is Jerry Jones. The thing is the Cowboys have done well recently at ignoring the big headline moves and doing the right moves. Breaking the cap to trade for Peterson is a huge gamble for many reasons, and not the smart move. But Jerry LOVES stuff like that. There's always the chance the old Jerry exerts his control and makes the move.

I get that Peterson is among the elite backs in nfl history, but he is aging, he missed a season, there are some questions around him. Would it really shock anyone if he came back and looked like an aging average back? nope., or it should not. He is not a cyborg, the wall will come, and history says the wall may come fast and hard.

Now likewise he may come back look awesome and drop 1700 yards no problem. That should not surprise anyone either.

the question is how much are you willing to pay for the risk vs the reward?

and yes, there are PR issues. Now will there be less in Texas than some other places? perhaps. Are the PR issues big enough to be a deterrent? that is a matter of opinion. But to say there are no PR issues is ridiculous.

ETA - just saw the HUGE part above

if you disagree the pr issues are huge, that would be a matter of opinion, but they exist.
$8M a year and a late pick.
for how many years?

that's too much to me

ido not think you win in this league buy paying a lot for a hall of fame runningback who is approaching the wall at breakneck speed

 
Some people in this thread just don't get it. It has nothing to with who better Murray or ADP. It is about Dallas being able to afford neither. If Dallas wants to sign Dez to a long term they need to free up some cap money this year or next, not breaking the bank on a running back seems like a good way of doing that.
I said the same thing about Ingram. I said Ingram was gone no matter what because they can't afford him. Couple days later, they sign the guy.
No one expected him to take $3.8M a year either.
No, but if ADP were to rework a deal, he could easily be something like $5 mill against the cap this year with a $20 million signing bonus. All he really has to do is make his cap dollar cheap this year.

 
I'd much rather have Peterson for 2015 than Murray. 500 touches is an awful lot. History is not on his side, and he's struggled with injuries throughout his career.

I realize ADP is 30 and history isn't on his side either. Just think with the kind of athlete he is, that he's likely to have another year or maybe two of elite left.

A middle round pick and a 3 year 25 million/deal seems about right to me. Vikings don't hold a strong hand here. 4th or 5th seems about right.
There's no evidence that having 450 touches has any effect on a player. For every player that gets injured the next season or regresses badly, there is a player who had a good year.

 
Rotoworld:

Yahoo's Charles Robinson reports the Cardinals will offer a "high draft pick" for Adrian Peterson if the Vikings put him on the market.
Peterson has reportedly told the Vikings he is still not happy, but he has yet to be put on the trade block. Robinson believes Minnesota could fetch as high as a second-round pick for Peterson. It would be tough to give up a high pick and swallow a $12.75 million salary hit for a running back entering his age-30 season, but Peterson is a generational player that has defied the laws of Biology before. It looks increasingly like Peterson has played his last snap in Minnesota.

Related: Cardinals

Source: Charles Robinson on Twitter
Mar 14 - 2:12 PM
 
He's gonna go to Arizona. As much as both Dallas and AP want it to happen, no way Dallas gives up a 2nd rounder, or pays him that much.

 
Mr. Retukes said:
Minnesota would be insane to pay him $13 million dollars, and they'd be even more insane to pass up a 2nd round pick for him.
If Lynch is worth 10 Mil, AP is worth 13.
AP is worth $13 million if he's playing on a contender and if he's in shape.

He's not. And...he's probably not.
Agreed.

If they get offered a 2nd, umm, have to take that for a 30 year old RB making 13 mill. I don't care who the RB is.

If they were contending, maybe a different story. They are not.

 
Determining Adrian Peterson's Trade Value

Consider the following trades that have involved running backs, and what kind of value those running backs were able to achieve. The following is a selected list of running back starters who were traded within the last 20 years (non-starters like Bryce Brown, Kenjon Barner, etc) were left out.

  • 2015: LeSean McCoy (age 26) - Kiko Alonso
  • 2014: Darren Sproles (age 30) - 2014 5th Round Pick
  • 2014: LaGarrette Blount (age 26) - Jeff Demps and 2014 7th Round Pick
  • 2013: Trent Richardson (age 22) - 2014 1st Round Pick
  • 2011: Reggie Bush (age 26) - Jonathan Amaya and Swapping 6th Round Picks
  • 2011: Marshawn Lynch (age 24) - 2011 4th Round Pick and 2012 5th Round Pick
  • 2010: Laurence Maroney (age 25) - 2011 4th Round Pick
  • 2009: Lendale White/Kevin Vickerson (age 24) - 4th and 6th Round Picks
  • 2009: Leon Washington/7th Round Pick (age 26) - 5th Round Pick
  • 2007: Reuben Droughns (age 28) - WR Tim Carter
  • 2006: T.J. Duckett (age 26) - 3th Round Pick (multi-team trade also involved WR)
  • 2005: Reuben Droughns (age 26) - DE Ebenezer Ekuban and DT Michael Myers
  • 2004: Clinton Portis (age 22) - Champ Bailey, 2005 2nd Round Pick
  • 1998: Marshall Faulk (age 25) - 1999 2nd and 5th Round Pick
  • 1996: Jerome Bettis (age 24) - 1997 2nd Round Pick, 1998 4th Round Pick
As we reported earlier today, the most current rumor has the Vikings trading Peterson and a 7th round pick to the Cardinals for a 2nd round pick.
The author makes a pretty compelling case that the Vikings may not be able to get a 1st round pick for him based off of previous RB trades. Trent Richardson is really special in this regard, because he did get a 1st round pick.

Vikings fans do not seem to think the Cardinals 2nd round pick is enough. I wonder what the Bucs might offer?

 
Cards make sense because they are contenders. Bucs though? Why would they want a 30 year old back?
They have stated they would pursue Peterson aggressively. There is a connection between Peterson and Frasier.

Source says the Buccaneers have plans in place to trade for Vikings' running back Adrian Peterson.

I have not heard any suggestion of what that means in terms of what the Bucs would offer for him. They do have pick 34 which would trump the Cardinals 2nd round pick, if they were willing to offer that.

 
Determining Adrian Peterson's Trade Value

Consider the following trades that have involved running backs, and what kind of value those running backs were able to achieve. The following is a selected list of running back starters who were traded within the last 20 years (non-starters like Bryce Brown, Kenjon Barner, etc) were left out.

  • 2015: LeSean McCoy (age 26) - Kiko Alonso
  • 2014: Darren Sproles (age 30) - 2014 5th Round Pick
  • 2014: LaGarrette Blount (age 26) - Jeff Demps and 2014 7th Round Pick
  • 2013: Trent Richardson (age 22) - 2014 1st Round Pick
  • 2011: Reggie Bush (age 26) - Jonathan Amaya and Swapping 6th Round Picks
  • 2011: Marshawn Lynch (age 24) - 2011 4th Round Pick and 2012 5th Round Pick
  • 2010: Laurence Maroney (age 25) - 2011 4th Round Pick
  • 2009: Lendale White/Kevin Vickerson (age 24) - 4th and 6th Round Picks
  • 2009: Leon Washington/7th Round Pick (age 26) - 5th Round Pick
  • 2007: Reuben Droughns (age 28) - WR Tim Carter
  • 2006: T.J. Duckett (age 26) - 3th Round Pick (multi-team trade also involved WR)
  • 2005: Reuben Droughns (age 26) - DE Ebenezer Ekuban and DT Michael Myers
  • 2004: Clinton Portis (age 22) - Champ Bailey, 2005 2nd Round Pick
  • 1998: Marshall Faulk (age 25) - 1999 2nd and 5th Round Pick
  • 1996: Jerome Bettis (age 24) - 1997 2nd Round Pick, 1998 4th Round Pick
As we reported earlier today, the most current rumor has the Vikings trading Peterson and a 7th round pick to the Cardinals for a 2nd round pick.
The author makes a pretty compelling case that the Vikings may not be able to get a 1st round pick for him based off of previous RB trades. Trent Richardson is really special in this regard, because he did get a 1st round pick.

Vikings fans do not seem to think the Cardinals 2nd round pick is enough. I wonder what the Bucs might offer?
But if you go back 26 years, there was that one trade involving a 27.5 year old RB - 3 1sts, 3 2nds, a 3rd, a 6th, and some other pieces. For a similar star, a 2nd doesn't seem to far fetched.

 
On the one hand, no way the Bucs should trade for Peterson. So many holes, they could use the 2nd round pick.

On the other hand, the division is up for grabs, they'll be breaking in a rookie QB, and the Bucs can't draft to save their lives.

So, yeah, maybe the Bucs should trade for AP.

 
Gee thanks for reminding me Hoosier16 :rant: :wall: :thumbup:

I am not surprised that CCNorseman chose to stop before the Hershel Walker deal.

To be fair I think the Vikings went through two phases of ownership destroying the franchise. The 1st example was Mike Lynn and the second was Red McCombs. Both made some really bad, perhaps spiteful moves just as they were separating from the team.

 
Cards make sense because they are contenders. Bucs though? Why would they want a 30 year old back?
because that's the same team that traded for revis, signed him to a long term deal, then cut him a year later.

followed up by signing michael johnson to a long term deal and cutting him a year later after paying him 16m

because they're the bucs, that's why

 
The only team that a trade make sense for is Arizona. Some less than creditable sources on twitter saying the pick offered was 2nd round pick. If I was Rick, I would have jumped at it like Kramer getting a free coffee settlement. If Arizona decides to sign Pierre Thomas or other free agent they may no longer have the cap room to take on Peterson's contract. A team that is not a contender shouldn't be considering it IMO. Some people seem to think that the Vikings should be holding out for something greater but then again most people don't take into account that the NFL has this thing called a salary cap.

 
Cards make sense because they are contenders. Bucs though? Why would they want a 30 year old back?
i still think its funny for people who watch football to still doubt Peterson and for people who hold the 30 yo mark as a rule as if it effects everyone including the person who many can conclude is not human.

 
Rotoworld:

Adrian Peterson - RB - Vikings

A Cardinals source tells SI's Peter King that the three years and $45 million left on Adrian Peterson's contract are an "absolute non-starter" in potential trade talks.

"We havent had contact with the Vikings about it, to the best of my knowledge," the source said. "And there is no way we could live with those numbers." It's far from surprising. As dominant as Peterson has been in the past, he's five days shy of his 30th birthday, and coming off a lost season. Reports that the Cards were willing to surrender a "high draft pick" were likely the result of Peterson's agent trying to drive up demand. The Vikes continue to claim they want Peterson back, but he's made it clear he wants out. Peterson's release is the most likely endgame.

Related: Cardinals

Source: The MMQB

Mar 16 - 8:44 AM
 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Sabertooth said:
Cards make sense because they are contenders. Bucs though? Why would they want a 30 year old back?
sell jerseys, sell tickets, etc....
This needs to stop being a valid reason to draft or trade for a player. The same justification was banter about about for Johnny Football and Tim Tebow. How about start winning some games? The fans will suddenly show up.

 
VarsityBlues123 said:
Sabertooth said:
Cards make sense because they are contenders. Bucs though? Why would they want a 30 year old back?
i still think its funny for people who watch football to still doubt Peterson and for people who hold the 30 yo mark as a rule as if it effects everyone including the person who many can conclude is not human.
I think it is funny people thnk Adrian Peterson is not human

 
VarsityBlues123 said:
Sabertooth said:
Cards make sense because they are contenders. Bucs though? Why would they want a 30 year old back?
i still think its funny for people who watch football to still doubt Peterson and for people who hold the 30 yo mark as a rule as if it effects everyone including the person who many can conclude is not human.
While what he did to that poor kid was certainly animalistic or even otherworldly evil - I'm pretty sure that he is human.

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Sabertooth said:
Cards make sense because they are contenders. Bucs though? Why would they want a 30 year old back?
sell jerseys, sell tickets, etc....
This needs to stop being a valid reason to draft or trade for a player. The same justification was banter about about for Johnny Football and Tim Tebow. How about start winning some games? The fans will suddenly show up.
Plus, Tebow and Johnny were moving the needle nationally. Peterson's not on that level. Only reason he's a national figure is negative. I keep saying the guy is seriously not understanding what's happening. Sometimes you've got to jump through the hoops.

 
A Cardinals source tells SI's Peter King that the three years and $45 million left on Adrian Peterson's contract are an "absolute non-starter" in potential trade talks.

"We haven’t had contact with the Vikings about it, to the best of my knowledge," the source said. "And there is no way we could live with those numbers." It's far from surprising. As dominant as Peterson has been in the past, he's five days shy of his 30th birthday, and coming off a lost season. Reports that the Cards were willing to surrender a "high draft pick" were likely the result of Peterson's agent trying to drive up demand. The Vikes continue to claim they want Peterson back, but he's made it clear he wants out. Peterson's release is the most likely endgame.
 
Peterson's choice is simple, make a #### ton of money for the vikes, demand a trade and (if the vikes submit) make a lot less money anyplace else

 
VarsityBlues123 said:
Sabertooth said:
Cards make sense because they are contenders. Bucs though? Why would they want a 30 year old back?
i still think its funny for people who watch football to still doubt Peterson and for people who hold the 30 yo mark as a rule as if it effects everyone including the person who many can conclude is not human.
Do you? Well, there are currently 3 relevant running backs in the NFL who are over 30. If that's funny or inconsequential to you, so be it. They might sell some jerseys though and that must mean something. Might put some asses in the seats. But at say $100 per ticket, you'd have to put 100,000 more asses in the seats just break even on the salary. So we are looking at 12,500 more per game to break even on his salary if he agrees to 10m per season.

I just don't see it with the Bucs.

 
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bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Sabertooth said:
Cards make sense because they are contenders. Bucs though? Why would they want a 30 year old back?
sell jerseys, sell tickets, etc....
This needs to stop being a valid reason to draft or trade for a player. The same justification was banter about about for Johnny Football and Tim Tebow. How about start winning some games? The fans will suddenly show up.
Plus, Tebow and Johnny were moving the needle nationally. Peterson's not on that level. Only reason he's a national figure is negative. I keep saying the guy is seriously not understanding what's happening. Sometimes you've got to jump through the hoops.
Well, that and being a hall of famer.

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Sabertooth said:
Cards make sense because they are contenders. Bucs though? Why would they want a 30 year old back?
sell jerseys, sell tickets, etc....
This needs to stop being a valid reason to draft or trade for a player. The same justification was banter about about for Johnny Football and Tim Tebow. How about start winning some games? The fans will suddenly show up.
Plus, Tebow and Johnny were moving the needle nationally. Peterson's not on that level. Only reason he's a national figure is negative. I keep saying the guy is seriously not understanding what's happening. Sometimes you've got to jump through the hoops.
Well, that and being a hall of famer.
Yeah, I didn't say that very well. I meant a national media figure that moves the needle outside of football people. Seems to me that's the kind of figure that would actually make a difference in jersey sales. Tebow, JFF, maybe even Michael Sam. And Minny's not a big media center, where a player like Sanchez becomes a major figure just because there's so much coverage there.

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Sabertooth said:
Cards make sense because they are contenders. Bucs though? Why would they want a 30 year old back?
sell jerseys, sell tickets, etc....
This needs to stop being a valid reason to draft or trade for a player. The same justification was banter about about for Johnny Football and Tim Tebow. How about start winning some games? The fans will suddenly show up.
Just to be clear, Tebow did win some football games, he had a winning record in fact. These things, winning and selling jerseys and pr are not mutually exclusive. Peterson is not a broken down OJ Simpson or even MJD. If Sanders had unretired after 1 year out there would have been similar reason to sign him. Greats like Sanders and AP are not just about measurables, it's about vision, instincts, moves, football intelligence, and all that never goes away. Personally I don't want AP in TB because I think it might help them "win some games." Putting Manziel in this conversation is beyond apples and oranges, it's steaks and pineapples, or something.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
If Sanders had unretired after 1 year out there would have been similar reason to sign him. Greats like Sanders and AP are not just about measurables, it's about vision, instincts, moves, football intelligence, and all that never goes away. .
Remember the Saints trading for a 29-year-old Earl Campbell 31 years ago? :D

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
If Sanders had unretired after 1 year out there would have been similar reason to sign him. Greats like Sanders and AP are not just about measurables, it's about vision, instincts, moves, football intelligence, and all that never goes away. .
Remember the Saints trading for a 29-year-old Earl Campbell 31 years ago? :D
Of course, disaster, he was totally worn down and he had quit mentally. - You think AP is more like Campbell or Sanders?

 
Of course, disaster, he was totally worn down and he had quit mentally. - You think AP is more like Campbell or Sanders?
Dunno ... Peterson is probably more of a physical freak in his own way than either guy.

Earl Campbell came to the Saints with 1,979 career carries. Adrian Peterson is at 2,054** right now. Very different running styles, of course. And Peterson enjoys the benefits of modern medicine, as well.

But I was more riffing on the "it never goes away" part of post #2051.

** Spookily, this is post # 2,054 of this thread

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AP signing a FA contract with the Bolts would be a great fit. We are on his short list of teams, we're built to win now with an elite QB, improved OL, and a massive hole at RB.

Go get him Telesco.

 
AP signing a FA contract with the Bolts would be a great fit. We are on his short list of teams, we're built to win now with an elite QB, improved OL, and a massive hole at RB.

Go get him Telesco.
That spot would be a very interesting story. Probably be good for him to, completely away from the division, the conference, nice weather wouldn't hurt much either.

Overall though, I know we all have these "more than human" perceptions of Peterson but I think he's a huge risk, in real life and fantasy. He has ALL the red flags right now. He hasn't played in a while, which is harder to get back into a groove whne older than, say, at 25. He had a lot of miles on him. He's at that magic number where the wall pops up. If I were betting, I'd say he's more Thomas Jones than Shaun Alexander, for sure, but I think people in real life and fantasy might end up overpaying, based on his name and not get the return.

 

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