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Adrian Peterson, retired (1 Viewer)

I hate this excuse. "It's the O-line's fault"

This is Adrian Peterson we're talking about. The great ones (which he's not anymore) find a way to churn out the yards despite not having ideal blocking. Peterson did this every game during his almost record-breaking season. Stacked boxes, inferior O-line, no passing game.

Face it, ADP is done.
Look.....the fact is my eyes don't lie. And I do agree he looks slower and older. No doubt. But he had nothing to run through. No holes. When guys are instantly in your backfield on almost every running play and you are having to break tackles the moment you get the hand off.....it's a big OL problem.

You watched both games I assume. It's really easy to say he is done looking at a box score. But I watched both games. That OL looked terrible in run blocking. Flat out terrible.

 
A torn Meniscus isn't nearly as bad as an ACL injury.

Zimmer said that he hasn't ruled Peterson out for Sunday after breaking the torn meniscus injury so he will be back even if it is not this Sunday or if he is back this week I'm sure he won't have a full load on his plate.

Justin Gaard ‏@jgkfan  8m8 minutes ago
Mike Zimmer to @DanBarreiroKFAN on Adrian Peterson: "He's got a torn meniscus." Timetable uncertain at this point. #Vikings
Justin Gaard ‏@jgkfan  7m7 minutes ago
Zimmer does not rule out AP playing this week. Says they are going through all the different options. #Vikings
 
Yeah, unless his wife's name is Dr James Andrews, I'm gonna take her reports of him walking on it just fine with a grain of salt.  

I'd say they clean it up surgically, timeframe should be 6-8 weeks, and maybe longer depending on what shape he's in by the time it heals, rehab, etc. Is this the same knee he just had repaired? If so that could make it messier. 

 
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A torn Meniscus isn't nearly as bad as an ACL injury.

Zimmer said that he hasn't ruled Peterson out for Sunday after breaking the torn meniscus injury so he will be back even if it is not this Sunday or if he is back this week I'm sure he won't have a full load on his plate.

Justin Gaard ‏@jgkfan  8m8 minutes ago
Mike Zimmer to @DanBarreiroKFAN on Adrian Peterson: "He's got a torn meniscus." Timetable uncertain at this point. #Vikings
Justin Gaard ‏@jgkfan  7m7 minutes ago
Zimmer does not rule out AP playing this week. Says they are going through all the different options. #Vikings
I thought the 2nd quote was from earlier today, before they said it was a torn meniscus. 

There's no way in hell AP plays this week IMO. 

 
I thought the 2nd quote was from earlier today, before they said it was a torn meniscus. 

There's no way in hell AP plays this week IMO. 




 
Look at the time line of the Twitter feed.

The 8 minute tweet of Zimmer stating it is a meniscus tear came a minute before the 7 minute tweet of Zimmer saying the injury does not rule out Peterson playing this week.

FWIW I doubt he will play but Zimm would want to put that out there to make the opposition have to prep for AdP but that is just my speculation.

 
I agree with HSG - there is no way he is playing this week!  A torn meniscus actually does have a pretty quick recovery period unless your name is Derrick Rose.  

 
Look at the time line of the Twitter feed.

The 8 minute tweet of Zimmer stating it is a meniscus tear came a minute before the 7 minute tweet of Zimmer saying the injury does not rule out Peterson playing this week.

FWIW I doubt he will play but Zimm would want to put that out there to make the opposition have to prep for AdP but that is just my speculation.
Weird since they made a similar statement about his PT before they announced the MCL tear.  Then with the tear announcement they say "no timetable", which kinda says it all. 

I think they're being cagey, as you also seem to believe. 

 
Look.....the fact is my eyes don't lie. And I do agree he looks slower and older. No doubt. But he had nothing to run through. No holes. When guys are instantly in your backfield on almost every running play and you are having to break tackles the moment you get the hand off.....it's a big OL problem.

You watched both games I assume. It's really easy to say he is done looking at a box score. But I watched both games. That OL looked terrible in run blocking. Flat out terrible.
And it's two games. Even the best RBs in NFL history can get bottled up for a couple of games. And contact behind the LoS is how you stop any RB, even the best. 

 
Yeah, unless his wife's name is Dr James Andrews, I'm gonna take her reports of him walking on it just fine with a grain of salt.  

I'd say they clean it up surgically, timeframe should be 6-8 weeks, and maybe longer depending on what shape he's in by the time it heals, rehab, etc. Is this the same knee he just had repaired? If so that could make it messier. 
Adrian Peterson's ACL injury was to his left knee, this injury is to his right knee.

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It doesn't matter how many yards Emmitt Smith has, no one will ever put him on the same pedestal as Jim Brown, Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, or  even Adrian Peterson.  We all know the reason why Emmitt Smith has the number of yards he has and that is because of the team he played with during the 90s.  Those Cowboy teams and offensive lines were some of the best in history.  He was not as good as the RBs I mentioned and pretty much everyone except Cowboy fans realize it.
The pendulum has swung way too far the other way to where Emmitt Smith has become under-rated by most people. His line was excellent of course but he was also a great RB that was one of the key pieces to the "team he played with during the 90s". The guy had tremendous vision, balance and toughness. So what if he's not as good as the three best RBs ever or even top 5? Let's not act like any RB would have been the all-time leading rusher if he played for the Cowboys during that time, because that's not very accurate either. 

 
The best ability is availability. Emmitt Smith must be the most durable RB since he has way more rushing attempts than anyone else. Walter is the only one close and he is still 500+ rushing attempts behind Emmitt Smiths 4409 rushing attempts. 

Peterson is only at 2412 rushing attempts right now.

 
FWIW, they had a doctor on NFL Insiders a little while ago who explained why it's possible he could play this week, I'm paraphrasing, but he said because certain types of meniscus tears can't be repaired surgically and there is no benefit to doing anything surgically and that they could shoot him up with a cortisone shot to take away the inflammation and if he could tolerate the pain its possible he could play this week.  Still seems pretty unlikely and with them going against the Panthers I'd rather he sit this one out and get the knee healthy.

 
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I tore my meniscus in December. Obviously I'm not an athlete and each injury is different but I didn't have to get surgery to heal.  What I will say is I do boot camp and Spartan races and it took four months to be able to function at all in that arena.  If he plays in the next month I would be stunned 

 
I would love to see him sit out until the fantasy playoffs start ....Championship!!

 
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The pendulum has swung way too far the other way to where Emmitt Smith has become under-rated by most people. His line was excellent of course but he was also a great RB that was one of the key pieces to the "team he played with during the 90s". The guy had tremendous vision, balance and toughness. So what if he's not as good as the three best RBs ever or even top 5? Let's not act like any RB would have been the all-time leading rusher if he played for the Cowboys during that time, because that's not very accurate either. 
As a lifelong Skins fan who absolutely hated him during his playing days, I agree with this.  Emmit was not the best RB ever but he was damn good.  Durable, versatile

I was just quoting Parcells with that one. He makes a very good point though.
Its not just Parcells.  Lots of football coaches, and coaches of other sports for that matter, repeat this saying all the time.   I used to hear it personally from my HS football coach.

"The best ability is availability."  There's a lot of truth to it in that It doesnt matter how talented you are if you cant stay on the field.  

 
Its not just Parcells.  Lots of football coaches, and coaches of other sports for that matter, repeat this saying all the time.   I used to hear it personally from my HS football coach.

"The best ability is availability."  There's a lot of truth to it in that It doesnt matter how talented you are if you cant stay on the field.  
That gets a little overblown in my opinion.  As long as you're not made of glass, I'd take talent over durability any day. 

 
That gets a little overblown in my opinion.  As long as you're not made of glass, I'd take talent over durability any day. 
Its a relative saying.  But at that level, where everyone is talented to some degree, there is a lot of truth in it.

Coaches use it as a bit of a mind game b/c they think it encourages guys to be tougher mentally and play through pain.  Nothing more frustrating to a coach than having a very talented guy sitting on the sideline b/c he can't help you on the field on a consistent basis.  Hard to gameplan with guys you cant rely on being out there.

Bo Jackson was definitely more talented than Emmitt Smith.  But coaches would take Emmitt every time.  Just one example and an imperfect one as I'm obviously using a guy who had a career ending injury so we could go back and forth all day.  

But the point remains.  Anyway....back to Peterson.

 
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The pendulum has swung way too far the other way to where Emmitt Smith has become under-rated by most people. His line was excellent of course but he was also a great RB that was one of the key pieces to the "team he played with during the 90s". The guy had tremendous vision, balance and toughness. So what if he's not as good as the three best RBs ever or even top 5? Let's not act like any RB would have been the all-time leading rusher if he played for the Cowboys during that time, because that's not very accurate either. 
For all they'll of his line, that line sucked a back of ##### from 96 on. Moose was toast by 97, retired in 99. 

Robert Thomas was the worst FB I've ever seen. 

 
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Been told meniscus options Adrian Peterson & #Vikings are weighing: partial repair & minimum 4 wk layup, or full repair w/ min 4 month layup


2:45 PM - 19 Sep 2016
I don't get this.

Meniscus is (maybe over simplified)basically a loop of muscle that goes around your knee cap and they put a couple stitches in it.

How can you repair that partially?

4 months sound so excessive

Without it, your knee is likely to pop out of place. If it does, your likely to tear another ligament. I'd be shocked if ADP played without it. No one that has had knee surgery ever wants to have it done again. No way do I think he risks it 

 
NO?!

If a chunk of the meniscus is torn it will need to be stitched.  That is AD done for the season.  Unless he wants to get it cut out, take massive amounts of pain killers and have a knee replacement before he's 40.  
That's a pretty large overstatement.  Most Meniscus tears they simply remove the damaged part and you are back in 2-6 weeks.  They can stitch it up if it is in a section of the cartilage where there is good blood flow, but the recovery time is longer. 

My own experience was that I tore mine, continued running and playing softball for 6-8 months with it bothering me.  Then I had the surgery and I was back to softball in two weeks.  There is a lot of variability in recovery times, but 6 weeks is at the longer end when talking about an athlete.

 
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I'm sticking by my 6-8 week guesstimate. 

I think they partially repair it and he comes back and risks it. It's AP - he's a machine.

but if he plays a single down in the next 6 weeks I'll be shocked. 8 seems realistic, but it depends on conditioning - with a bum knee it's hard to stay in game shape. 

 
I'm sticking by my 6-8 week guesstimate. 

I think they partially repair it and he comes back and risks it. It's AP - he's a machine.

but if he plays a single down in the next 6 weeks I'll be shocked. 8 seems realistic, but it depends on conditioning - with a bum knee it's hard to stay in game shape. 
According to an actual doctor specializing in orthopedic surgery a meniscus clean up would take 2-4 weeks to heal and a full meniscus repair would take 4+ months.   It all depends on what the MRI reveals, and also which route the player wants to take.  Based on that, it's likely he will be back by Week 7 (following MIN bye) or he is done for the season.  6-8 weeks isn't really on the table.

 
6-8 weeks isn't really on the table.
Healing and "game ready" aren't the same thing.

time will tell, but this feels like 6-8 weeks. If he plays within 6 I'll be shocked. 

you go on and listen to your fancy city doctors and such. The chicken bones I just rolled say 6 week minimum. 

 
Healing and "game ready" aren't the same thing.

time will tell, but this feels like 6-8 weeks. If he plays within 6 I'll be shocked. 

you go on and listen to your fancy city doctors and such. The chicken bones I just rolled say 6 week minimum. 
Do you feel that AP is a slow healer or that he wouldn't rush back?   Anyways, I just wanted to let readers know that your chicken bones are not based on medical prognosis for those that want something useful to work with. 

 
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I never thought Peterson would play the season opener in 2012 after not that much recovery time as the injury happened pretty late in the 2011 season.

To even question Peterson's work ethic, conditioning and ability to manage pain seems like a completely foreign concept to me.

Peterson could take a long time to recover if he does recover well enough to play again this year. No one has any way to know that right now and Zimmer is going to keep as tight a lid on this as he can. But to question Peterson's ability to recover and be game ready sounds like you are talking about another player to me. 

 
Do you feel that AP is a slow healer or that he wouldn't rush back?   Anyways, I just wanted to let readers know that your chicken bones are not based on medical prognosis for those that want something useful to work with. 
Chicken bones aside, I think they have capable backups and would take a long-term view with his health, considering how valuable a healthy AP would be to them in the playoffs. 

So fast or slow healer, I think they'd not rush him back provided they're getting production out of McKinnon/Asiaita (so?) 

 
I never thought Peterson would play the season opener in 2012 after not that much recovery time as the injury happened pretty late in the 2011 season.

To even question Peterson's work ethic, conditioning and ability to manage pain seems like a completely foreign concept to me.

Peterson could take a long time to recover if he does recover well enough to play again this year. No one has any way to know that right now and Zimmer is going to keep as tight a lid on this as he can. But to question Peterson's ability to recover and be game ready sounds like you are talking about another player to me. 
Not sure who you're talking to here - if it's me, I'm not questioning that in the slightest. I mean no insult to AP whatever - he's among my favorite players and I rode him to the FFB playoffs last year in one league.

peterson has traditionally been a fast healer. 

 
Chicken bones aside, I think they have capable backups and would take a long-term view with his health, considering how valuable a healthy AP would be to them in the playoffs. 

So fast or slow healer, I think they'd not rush him back provided they're getting production out of McKinnon/Asiaita (so?) 
The end is neigh for AP.  No way that he eases back in to it.  He will be able to play as soon as humanly possible for him, which he has shown to be much quicker than most.  I do not see a scenario where AP decides to sit out, or that Zimmer will not let him play to save him for the playoffs, especially how bad he was playing before he was hurt. 

We are looking at a Week 7 (or 5 or 4) return or we have likely seen his last snap in a Vikings uniform.  Your timeframe is not in play without some unlikely Zimmer will bench him for a month narrative.

 
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Not sure who you're talking to here - if it's me, I'm not questioning that in the slightest. I mean no insult to AP whatever - he's among my favorite players and I rode him to the FFB playoffs last year in one league.

peterson has traditionally been a fast healer. 
I was responding to your post saying this:

Healing and "game ready" aren't the same thing.

time will tell, but this feels like 6-8 weeks. If he plays within 6 I'll be shocked. 

you go on and listen to your fancy city doctors and such. The chicken bones I just rolled say 6 week minimum. 
If Peterson is healthy he will be game ready. For whatever that is worth. He was game ready to start the season too.

I have no idea why you are throwing out these timetables based on ?? I mean what do you really know about to be shocked if he came back in 6 weeks or a shorter time frame than that?

It seems ironic to make these statements along with joking about Peterson's wife staying at a Holiday Inn and so on. If this is shtick then I apologize for not getting the joke here.

I was speaking to everyone within the context of the conversation. What I know about Peterson is he will try to play as soon as he possibly can. He might even risk further injury to do that. I don't agree with him doing that. I think he should take care of himself as well as possible, even if that means not playing any more this year.

Peterson is stubborn as a mule though, so I would expect him to come back sooner than later if he can.

When he comes back he still might suck. He will give it his all though. I wouldn't mind seeing him have some more great games for the Vikings if he can manage it. I am also accepting that Peterson's better days may be behind him.

If he doesn't come back and be successful this season, he will surely try to make a comeback next year, just likely not with the Vikings because of  :moneybag:

 
I don't get this.

Meniscus is (maybe over simplified)basically a loop of muscle that goes around your knee cap and they put a couple stitches in it.

How can you repair that partially?

4 months sound so excessive

Without it, your knee is likely to pop out of place. If it does, your likely to tear another ligament. I'd be shocked if ADP played without it. No one that has had knee surgery ever wants to have it done again. No way do I think he risks it 
I'm going to take a wild guess and say ADP does whatever will make his knee 100%.  The last thing he wants is another torn ACL because he didn't treat his meniscus tear properly.

 
Healing and "game ready" aren't the same thing.

time will tell, but this feels like 6-8 weeks. If he plays within 6 I'll be shocked. 

you go on and listen to your fancy city doctors and such. The chicken bones I just rolled say 6 week minimum. 
Their next 3 opponents are the panthers, giants and texans.  All strong defensive fronts with explosive passing games.  The vikings traded their first round pick and more for a qb because they thought this was their playoff window and now they lost the guy they most needed for their playoff run.  If they pick up two conference losses here against possible playoff opponents and/or wild card teams, they'll be in real danger of missing the playoffs.  I don't know how conservative they'll be with him.  If he misses this week and they lose to the panthers and he suddenly "feels ready" i wouldn't be surprised to see him push it, and the team to allow it, no matter how ill advised that would be.   If they win, and beat the giants, too, you might see them take it real easy and keep him out until he's fully healed.  Totally up in the air right now.  

 
Their next 3 opponents are the panthers, giants and texans.  All strong defensive fronts with explosive passing games.  The vikings traded their first round pick and more for a qb because they thought this was their playoff window and now they lost the guy they most needed for their playoff run.  If they pick up two conference losses here against possible playoff opponents and/or wild card teams, they'll be in real danger of missing the playoffs.  I don't know how conservative they'll be with him.  If he misses this week and they lose to the panthers and he suddenly "feels ready" i wouldn't be surprised to see him push it, and the team to allow it, no matter how ill advised that would be.   If they win, and beat the giants, too, you might see them take it real easy and keep him out until he's fully healed.  Totally up in the air right now.  
If they lose two of three of those games and beat either the Giants or Panthers they will still be 3-2 overall, 1-0 in the division, and 2-1 in conference. 

Next four games are all winnable games: Eagles, Bears, Lions, and Redskins.

 
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Wow, where to start...

My only joke was about AP's wife saying he was walking and would be fine.

and then later we heard it was a meniscus tear with a 4 week (duct tape & bubble gum) or season ended (full blown surgery) so that proved her statement to be overly optimistic - this my "married to dr James Andrews" joke.

as for the timelines, AP may well heal fast. But I don't see why anyone would rush back a 30 year old after knee surgery with 2 capable backup. 

Regarding my "game shape" comment, try not to read into it too hard. Knowing many people who've had torn meniscus surgery, there are a number of factors at play here - one is that they might find more in there when they open it up. If his tendon is Swiss cheese it's possible they'll have to do more than expected.  But specific to "game shape", all I meant was that when you're laid out for a month with a leg injury it's hard to stay in shape. If his recovery time from surgery is 4 weeks; it stands to reason that he might need some additional rehab to get to where he started the season - E.g. "Game shape".

it wasn't an insult to AP - it's a possible, and in my opinion, likely outcome.  

I don't deny AP will do whatever he needs to do to get healthy, but he also tore his meniscus. He's not the 1st to do it, and there are a lot of possible outcomes. It is what it is. 

I never said my chicken bones were infallible - sheesh. 

 
I honestly do not believe this is a significant blow to the offense. I love watching Peterson run and I think he can still do it with the best of them if given respectable blocking but he is severely lacking in certain areas (blocking, ball protection, running out of the shotgun) and has been for some time. Asiata picked up a couple of key blocks that allowed Bradford to complete crucial throws. Peterson would not have done that. Given the state of the oline Asiata is not a bad guy to have out there. McKinnon is a quality back as well both as a runner and receiver. Between those two they're doing pretty well at the position.

 
The thing that sucks about Peterson being hurt is that now he will be even further behind the rest of the offense that is being developed around Bradford now. So more rust while he gets in sync with the rest of the offense, if he does. Last season was a bit of jeckle and hyde with the offensive scheme as some personnel groups and formations were better for Peterson but not as good for Ponder, and vice versa. So as the offense gels around Bradford, there will possibly be another disruption trying to work Peterson in with it down the road, some kinks they could have been working through right now.

The offense with Bridgewater often seemed better in tune without Peterson on the field, and McKinnon or Asiata instead.

sports_fan's criticism of Petersons pass protection is fair based on his career. I did see Peterson make 3 good blocks in pass protection in the game yesterday however. He deserves credit for that. They even threw him a screen pass early in the game.

I hope Jet is healthy because the Vikings are going to need him.

 

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