Adrian Peterson Status Updates (1 Viewer)

[Run It Up]

Can someone tell me why this would be outside of the six game mandatory domestic violence suspension window? When has a there ever been a "time served" provision of an nfl action?

He wasn't convicted of a domestic violence crime (the plea agreement specifically removed any reference to domestic violence or children). So Goodell isn't forced to suspend Peterson for 6 games. He can basically do whatever he wants.

Wait, can a lawyer break this down for me?

I thought he plead no-contest to the charges. Whether its his opinion that what he did was reasonable or not is irrelevant. What language they use also seems irrelevant?

 

[GregR]

Can someone tell me why this would be outside of the six game mandatory domestic violence suspension window? When has a there ever been a "time served" provision of an nfl action?

He wasn't convicted of a domestic violence crime (the plea agreement specifically removed any reference to domestic violence or children). So Goodell isn't forced to suspend Peterson for 6 games. He can basically do whatever he wants.

Wait, can a lawyer break this down for me?I thought he plead no-contest to the charges. Whether its his opinion that what he did was reasonable or not is irrelevant. What language they use also seems irrelevant?

Not a lawyer, but the news reports are he was originally charged with felony charges of reckless or negligent injury to a child. He then pleaded it down to misdemeanor reckless assault which he pleaded no contest to. The plea makes no reference to family violence or violence against a minor.

However, maybe the more important issue around his NFL future is that according to media reports that came out when the the NFL's new policy was announced... it doesn't require a conviction for it to be an offense of the NFL's policy. It was said each incident will get judged on its own merits.

Perhaps in a borderline or nebulous case, the lack of mention of domestic abuse in the text of his conviction might have helped someone. Given the facts (photos, etc) and admissions that have come out, I would be surprised if excluding mention of domestic violence from his conviction helps Peterson much with the NFL.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Can someone tell me why this would be outside of the six game mandatory domestic violence suspension window? When has a there ever been a "time served" provision of an nfl action?

Fox Sports reported that apparently the AP camp sought to negotiate this with the NFL almost immediately after the plea deal and it was shot down.

On the flip side I'm surprised no one has mentioned Aldon Smith, he missed 5 games to go into rehab voluntarily and when he came out.... Goodell still suspended him 10 games (IIRC). Smith had several incidents that together may have impacted things but there it is.

 

[cstu]

Can someone tell me why this would be outside of the six game mandatory domestic violence suspension window? When has a there ever been a "time served" provision of an nfl action?

Fox Sports reported that apparently the AP camp sought to negotiate this with the NFL almost immediately after the plea deal and it was shot down.

On the flip side I'm surprised no one has mentioned Aldon Smith, he missed 5 games to go into rehab voluntarily and when he came out.... Goodell still suspended him 10 games (IIRC). Smith had several incidents that together may have impacted things but there it is.

Smith was suspended 9 games - one more than Peterson has served so far despite having all this on his record since entering the NFL:

- three felony convictions for owning illegal assault rifles

- two DUI's

- marijuana possession

- arrested for allegedly making bomb threats at LAX

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Smith was suspended 9 games - one nine more than Peterson has served so far

FTFY

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/11/09/nflpa-demands-peterson-reinstatement-based-on-september-letter-agreement/

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Can someone tell me why this would be outside of the six game mandatory domestic violence suspension window? When has a there ever been a "time served" provision of an nfl action?

He wasn't convicted of a domestic violence crime (the plea agreement specifically removed any reference to domestic violence or children). So Goodell isn't forced to suspend Peterson for 6 games. He can basically do whatever he wants.

Correct. This needs to be handled under the League's policy about leaving welts on children's scrotums, not the domestic violence one.

 

[cstu]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/11/09/nflpa-demands-peterson-reinstatement-based-on-september-letter-agreement/

The letter from NFLPA general counsel Tom DePaso to NFL general counsel Jeff Pash states as follows: “The player agrees that, effective as of yesterday (September 17, 2014), he is placed on the Commissioner-Exempt list with full pay until the criminal charges currently pending against him are adjudicated. No discipline will be processed or imposed against the player, by the Club or the League, until after the pending criminal charges are adjudicated.”

Looks like AP will be coming off the exempt list.

Now Goodell needs to decide whether to suspend him additional games.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/11/09/report-internal-battle-in-minnesota-over-adrian-peterson-return/

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Wow, everything about this has been a bizarre turn of events.

Who would have thunk AdP would be accused of something like this in the first place, face indefinite suspension, plead guilty, then later in the same season be legally cleared where he puts the NFL behind the 8 ball like this.

I didn't think he'd have a snowball's chance to play this year but I don't see how the league can squirm their way out of letting it happen and when he does eventually play that spectacle will produce a maelstrom effect.

 

[Jerry Curl]

Wow, everything about this has been a bizarre turn of events.

Who would have thunk AdP would be accused of something like this in the first place, face indefinite suspension, plead guilty, then later in the same season be legally cleared where he puts the NFL behind the 8 ball like this.

I didn't think he'd have a snowball's chance to play this year but I don't see how the league can squirm their way out of letting it happen and when he does eventually play that spectacle will produce a maelstrom effect.

I am still in shock how some cant see how Goodells hands are tied. His decision can only be Peterson to be reinstated. As you said it the NFL tried to take an easy road with the CEL and it is coming back to haunt them in favor of Peterson and Goodell has no choice but one here being behind the 8 ball.

 

[BigJim®]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/11/09/nflpa-demands-peterson-reinstatement-based-on-september-letter-agreement/

The letter from NFLPA general counsel Tom DePaso to NFL general counsel Jeff Pash states as follows: “The player agrees that, effective as of yesterday (September 17, 2014), he is placed on the Commissioner-Exempt list with full pay until the criminal charges currently pending against him are adjudicated. No discipline will be processed or imposed against the player, by the Club or the League, until after the pending criminal charges are adjudicated.”

Looks like AP will be coming off the exempt list.

Now Goodell needs to decide whether to suspend him additional games.

Well, the inference from this excerpt of the letter is placement on the paid exempt list is not discipline, and that discipline will instead be doled out after adjudication. That should correct any thinking that the 8 weeks on exempt list might count toward discipline.

 

[Bojang0301]

Wow, everything about this has been a bizarre turn of events.

Who would have thunk AdP would be accused of something like this in the first place, face indefinite suspension, plead guilty, then later in the same season be legally cleared where he puts the NFL behind the 8 ball like this.

I didn't think he'd have a snowball's chance to play this year but I don't see how the league can squirm their way out of letting it happen and when he does eventually play that spectacle will produce a maelstrom effect.

I am still in shock how some cant see how Goodells hands are tied. His decision can only be Peterson to be reinstated. As you said it the NFL tried to take an easy road with the CEL and it is coming back to haunt them in favor of Peterson and Goodell has no choice but one here being behind the 8 ball.

Goodell is always aloof when it comes to player discipline. That's why he needs to remove himself from it and institute an independent arbitration process. Being a lawyer, he sure doesn't seem like a very shrewd or intelligent one. They are just begging for a player to sue them and follow all the way through.

 

[Bojang0301]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/11/09/nflpa-demands-peterson-reinstatement-based-on-september-letter-agreement/

The letter from NFLPA general counsel Tom DePaso to NFL general counsel Jeff Pash states as follows: “The player agrees that, effective as of yesterday (September 17, 2014), he is placed on the Commissioner-Exempt list with full pay until the criminal charges currently pending against him are adjudicated. No discipline will be processed or imposed against the player, by the Club or the League, until after the pending criminal charges are adjudicated.”

Looks like AP will be coming off the exempt list.

Now Goodell needs to decide whether to suspend him additional games.

Well, the inference from this excerpt of the letter is placement on the paid exempt list is not discipline, and that discipline will instead be doled out after adjudication. That should correct any thinking that the 8 weeks on exempt list might count toward discipline.

When do misdemeanor's get disciplined? Will speeding tickets and jay walking get suspensions next?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/11/09/nflpa-demands-peterson-reinstatement-based-on-september-letter-agreement/

The letter from NFLPA general counsel Tom DePaso to NFL general counsel Jeff Pash states as follows: “The player agrees that, effective as of yesterday (September 17, 2014), he is placed on the Commissioner-Exempt list with full pay until the criminal charges currently pending against him are adjudicated. No discipline will be processed or imposed against the player, by the Club or the League, until after the pending criminal charges are adjudicated.”

Looks like AP will be coming off the exempt list.

Now Goodell needs to decide whether to suspend him additional games.

Well, the inference from this excerpt of the letter is placement on the paid exempt list is not discipline, and that discipline will instead be doled out after adjudication. That should correct any thinking that the 8 weeks on exempt list might count toward discipline.

Which is where the league was after week 1 when all this broke. The domestic violence rule may not apply. If that's the case (if, and the NFLPA per Florio is saying it doesn't), then what rule does apply? The "bad behavior" rule? What's the league penalty for this? I don't think it's "anything Rog wants." Not anymore and definitely not after the Ray Rice decision comes down.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Wow, everything about this has been a bizarre turn of events.

Who would have thunk AdP would be accused of something like this in the first place, face indefinite suspension, plead guilty, then later in the same season be legally cleared where he puts the NFL behind the 8 ball like this.

I didn't think he'd have a snowball's chance to play this year but I don't see how the league can squirm their way out of letting it happen and when he does eventually play that spectacle will produce a maelstrom effect.

I am still in shock how some cant see how Goodells hands are tied. His decision can only be Peterson to be reinstated. As you said it the NFL tried to take an easy road with the CEL and it is coming back to haunt them in favor of Peterson and Goodell has no choice but one here being behind the 8 ball.

Goodell is always aloof when it comes to player discipline. That's why he needs to remove himself from it and institute an independent arbitration process. Being a lawyer, he sure doesn't seem like a very shrewd or intelligent one. They are just begging for a player to sue them and follow all the way through.

Rog acts like a really bad corporate in-house lawyer, the kind that gets his company in trouble because he thinks to lie, obfuscate, and destroy/hide evidence is protecting his client. It's not.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

When do misdemeanor's get disciplined? Will speeding tickets and jay walking get suspensions next?

Yeah. Next they'll be looking to discipline misdemeanor marijuana possession charges. You just wait and see.

First pot bust gets a player zero games now, right? (Not sure, asking).

 

[PhantomJB]

Ironic that AP owners are calling those who are objectively bringing facts and information relating directly to Peterson's reinstatement or suspension to the thread are called trolls. It's like arguing with 11 year olds.

Looks like you can add Ian Rapoport to the trolls who think time served should factor into the equation.

The league will likely consider a combination of time served and loss of pay with regards to Adrian Peterson.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/531455716113272832

 

[weebs]

Ironic that AP owners are calling those who are objectively bringing facts and information relating directly to Peterson's reinstatement or suspension to the thread are called trolls. It's like arguing with 11 year olds.

Looks like you can add Ian Rapoport to the trolls who think time served should factor into the equation.

The league will likely consider a combination of time served and loss of pay with regards to Adrian Peterson.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/531455716113272832

My Peterson boner just reached half mast.

 

[BigJim®]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/11/09/nflpa-demands-peterson-reinstatement-based-on-september-letter-agreement/

The letter from NFLPA general counsel Tom DePaso to NFL general counsel Jeff Pash states as follows: “The player agrees that, effective as of yesterday (September 17, 2014), he is placed on the Commissioner-Exempt list with full pay until the criminal charges currently pending against him are adjudicated. No discipline will be processed or imposed against the player, by the Club or the League, until after the pending criminal charges are adjudicated.”

Looks like AP will be coming off the exempt list.

Now Goodell needs to decide whether to suspend him additional games.

Well, the inference from this excerpt of the letter is placement on the paid exempt list is not discipline, and that discipline will instead be doled out after adjudication. That should correct any thinking that the 8 weeks on exempt list might count toward discipline.

When do misdemeanor's get disciplined? Will speeding tickets and jay walking get suspensions next?

Meh, we'll see I guess. Personally I could see the NFL ignoring that a carefully drafted criminal pleading is silent re: domestic violence. Adrian has publically admitted his conduct. Also I was not surprised to see the 2nd PFT report that there is divided thinking in the Viking front office whether to keep or cut Peterson.

 

[KellysHeroes]

If do suspend the last 6 games he can appeal it which will be heard in front of an independent panel again, I didn't think rog wants to go though that again.

 

[nelly29]

He will get nothing for the kid thing.... But the no fun league will nail him for admitting to smoking weed lol

 

[KellysHeroes]

I be shocked if there isn't an agreement in place for him already. The nfl knew that he was pretty much getting out of this and there was a better than 50% chance it would be done in season

 

[I Am the Stig]

Smith was suspended 9 games - one nine more than Peterson has served so far

FTFY

FTFYhttps://mobile.twitter.com/RapSheet/status/531455716113272832

 

[cstu]

Ironic that AP owners are calling those who are objectively bringing facts and information relating directly to Peterson's reinstatement or suspension to the thread are called trolls. It's like arguing with 11 year olds.

Looks like you can add Ian Rapoport to the trolls who think time served should factor into the equation.

The league will likely consider a combination of time served and loss of pay with regards to Adrian Peterson.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/531455716113272832

Expect a December return.

Why?

 

[cstu]

I believe Goodell wants to suspend Peterson for 6 more games is going to run into legal problems if he does. That's why he's going to work out a time served deal to get it over with.

 

[cstu]

I be shocked if there isn't an agreement in place for him already. The nfl knew that he was pretty much getting out of this and there was a better than 50% chance it would be done in season

My feeling is that everything that's has happened since AP's plea is just Goodell trying to make the league look good, but a deal was already made with Peterson.

 

[DropKick]

Can someone tell me why this would be outside of the six game mandatory domestic violence suspension window? When has a there ever been a "time served" provision of an nfl action?

The league is clearly walking a tight rope here... watching the game Monday night you couldn't help but think of the Peterson dilemma during the NFL's anti-domestic violence commercial. Personally, I think they can't let Peterson back this season. Just to much PR and the game is so much bigger than any player.

A legal system decision on Ray Rice, who didn't have the same legal ramifications, might come in 3 weeks. This is considered "swift". For Peterson, it could take weeks for the red tape to play out and then a possible suspension. I just don't think it happens for him this year.

If I'm Peterson, I'm not interested in coming back for the very possibly meaningless final games of the season. I stay healthy, stay in shape and look for another pay day.

 

[Bojang0301]

He will get nothing for the kid thing.... But the no fun league will nail him for admitting to smoking weed lol

That's the drug policy. Assuming it's his first offense it's ZERO games.

 

[I Am the Stig]

Can someone tell me why this would be outside of the six game mandatory domestic violence suspension window? When has a there ever been a "time served" provision of an nfl action?

The league is clearly walking a tight rope here... watching the game Monday night you couldn't help but think of the Peterson dilemma during the NFL's anti-domestic violence commercial. Personally, I think they can't let Peterson back this season. Just to much PR and the game is so much bigger than any player.

A legal system decision on Ray Rice, who didn't have the same legal ramifications, might come in 3 weeks. This is considered "swift". For Peterson, it could take weeks for the red tape to play out and then a possible suspension. I just don't think it happens for him this year.

If I'm Peterson, I'm not interested in coming back for the very possibly meaningless final games of the season. I stay healthy, stay in shape and look for another pay day.

Funny how there was no such "red tape" in putting him on the exempt list.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Can someone tell me why this would be outside of the six game mandatory domestic violence suspension window? When has a there ever been a "time served" provision of an nfl action?

He wasn't convicted of a domestic violence crime (the plea agreement specifically removed any reference to domestic violence or children). So Goodell isn't forced to suspend Peterson for 6 games. He can basically do whatever he wants.

Correct. This needs to be handled under the League's policy about leaving welts on children's scrotums, not the domestic violence one.

I wonder how many disappointed googlers are reading this thread right now

 

[Sabertooth]

So basically no updates?

 

[Ojaays]

The update is, if you own him, he's a solid hold.

If you don't own him, you are the ones posting that he shouldn't play the rest of the year.

 

[Rimez]

He is on the end of my bench but im not too optimistic he plays this season, considering big ben was suspended for bad pr and wasnt charged with anything no one can really say what is going to happen with AP. knowing goodell there is some verbage in the new agreement somewhere thats says he can suspend players for whatever he feels like.

"Just because the league policy doesnt say anything about suspension if you pull down your pants and shart through a quarterbacks facemask doesnt mean you wont get some games off, even if that is your new sack dance Mr. Suh."

 

[MaxThreshold]

League intends to move quickly in Peterson's case.

 

[VikingFrog]

He is on the end of my bench but im not too optimistic he plays this season, considering big ben was suspended for bad pr and wasnt charged with anything no one can really say what is going to happen with AP. knowing goodell there is some verbage in the new agreement somewhere thats says he can suspend players for whatever he feels like.

"Just because the league policy doesnt say anything about suspension if you pull down your pants and shart through a quarterbacks facemask doesnt mean you wont get some games off, even if that is your new sack dance Mr. Suh."

Is that a form of child rea?

 

[mbuehner]

Glazer reported NFLPA is going to file for arbitration if AP isnt reinstated by tomorrow.

 

[Tango]

Glazer reported NFLPA is going to file for arbitration if AP isnt reinstated by tomorrow.

And he plays that off as news?

NEWS would be detailing the thinking of the Vikings IF he is reinstated. Reinstatement means nothing if the Vikings dont put him on the field.

 

[mbuehner]

Glazer reported NFLPA is going to file for arbitration if AP isnt reinstated by tomorrow.

And he plays that off as news?

NEWS would be detailing the thinking of the Vikings IF he is reinstated. Reinstatement means nothing if the Vikings dont put him on the field.

Speculating on what the Viking are thinking is news but announcing what the players union is going to do isnt?

 

[weebs]

Glazer reported NFLPA is going to file for arbitration if AP isnt reinstated by tomorrow.

And he plays that off as news?

NEWS would be detailing the thinking of the Vikings IF he is reinstated. Reinstatement means nothing if the Vikings dont put him on the field.

Speculating on what the Viking are thinking is news but announcing what the players union is going to do isnt?

Lol that is big news as it puts pressure on the comish. I love reading these butt-blasted people's comments who either dropped or don't have Peterson rostered.

 

[cstu]

beavertonsteve says: Nov 9, 2014 12:26 PM

This should be simple.

NFL “We’d like to see your sealed case files”

AP’s lawyer “no.”

 

[Mr. Retukes]

ESPN just reported that Goodell won't reinstate Peterson if he refuses to turn over his sealed court records.

 

[cstu]

ESPN just reported that Goodell won't reinstate Peterson if he refuses to turn over his sealed court records.

So he's going to blatantly violate the deal he made with Peterson in September?

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Maybe this is Goodall's strategy, completely butcher everything to take the attention off of AD so when he gets reinstated nobody will care due to being so focused on Goodall's ineptness.

 

[nelly29]

Goodall still holds the cards here folks.... I don't care what anyone says it's his and the vikings call.

 

[Tango]

Glazer reported NFLPA is going to file for arbitration if AP isnt reinstated by tomorrow.

And he plays that off as news?

NEWS would be detailing the thinking of the Vikings IF he is reinstated. Reinstatement means nothing if the Vikings dont put him on the field.

Speculating on what the Viking are thinking is news but announcing what the players union is going to do isnt?

Lol that is big news as it puts pressure on the comish. I love reading these butt-blasted people's comments who either dropped or don't have Peterson rostered.

and yeah, your assumption is wrong...

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Peterson should hurry up and finish his 80 hours of community service and then tell Goodell that there are no court records to turn over because they've all been expunged.

 

[JoeyJoJoJuniorShabadoo]

ESPN just reported that Goodell won't reinstate Peterson if he refuses to turn over his sealed court records.

So he's going to blatantly violate the deal he made with Peterson in September?

The wording didn't say that Peterson would be reinstated right after his legal case would be settled. I can see Goddell just delaying this for a couple more weeks to save some face but I don't think he'll slap 6 games on Peterson.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

ESPN just reported that Goodell won't reinstate Peterson if he refuses to turn over his sealed court records.

So he's going to blatantly violate the deal he made with Peterson in September?

The wording didn't say that Peterson would be reinstated right after his legal case would be settled. I can see Goddell just delaying this for a couple more weeks to save some face but I don't think he'll slap 6 games on Peterson.

there is a pretty good argument he's losing face the longer he delays this. The media has switched from bashing Peterson to focusing on how badly Goodall is handling things.

 

[Tango]

Glazer reported NFLPA is going to file for arbitration if AP isnt reinstated by tomorrow.

And he plays that off as news?

NEWS would be detailing the thinking of the Vikings IF he is reinstated. Reinstatement means nothing if the Vikings dont put him on the field.

Speculating on what the Viking are thinking is news but announcing what the players union is going to do isnt?

I saw the report and others this morning on this. These guys need to make it clear that the NFLPA process with the NFL is just one of the dominoes that needs to fall. Instead he reported it like it was the only issue to resolve.