Advice on how to avoid getting shafted on dangling trade offers (1 Viewer)

[Frank Black]

I was listening to a show this morning where they were talking about the following scenario (I'm changing names to protect the innocent) and I've seen some people around the Shark Pool describe the same scenario over the years:

1. Harry makes a trade offer to Draco.

2. Draco doesn't get back to Harry about the offer soon after the offer is made.

3. Days or even weeks go by and Harry forgets he made the offer. But the league software keeps the trade offer in effect.

4. Then, at a time when the offer is no longer fair (due to injury, real NFL trades or other circumstances), Draco accepts the offer later because the software still made the offer available for him to accept.

5. As a result of the trade, Harry is shafted big time.

HOW TO AVOID: When you make a trade offer, include a note with the trade offer that clearly states the date that the trade offer expires. State in the note that the trade offer will expire after the said date even if you for any reason neglect to withdraw the offer.

This way, if you forget about the trade and the other person later accepts the offer, you have a good argument to your Commish that the other person should not have accepted the offer and that the Commish should undo the trade.

 

[comfortably numb]

I was listening to a show this morning where they were talking about the following scenario (I'm changing names to protect the innocent) and I've seen some people around the Shark Pool describe the same scenario over the years:1. Harry makes a trade offer to Draco.2. Draco doesn't get back to Harry about the offer soon after the offer is made.3. Days or even weeks go by and Harry forgets he made the offer. But the league software keeps the trade offer in effect.4. Then, at a time when the offer is no longer fair (due to injury, real NFL trades or other circumstances), Draco accepts the offer later because the software still made the offer available for him to accept.5. As a result of the trade, Harry is shafted big time.HOW TO AVOID: When you make a trade offer, include a note with the trade offer that clearly states the date that the trade offer expires. State in the note that the trade offer will expire after the said date even if you for any reason neglect to withdraw the offer. This way, if you forget about the trade and the other person later accepts the offer, you have a good argument to your Commish that the other person should not have accepted the offer and that the Commish should undo the trade.

MFL has a setting on the trade screen that allows you to select a time/date on when the trade will expire, or Harry can just check up on his open offers and revoke.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

This way, if you forget about the trade and the other person later accepts the offer, you have a good argument to your Commish that the other person should not have accepted the offer and that the Commish should undo the trade.

I think even without leaving a note, you still have a good argument to your Commish that the other person should not have accepted the offer and that the Commish should undo the trade.

 

[habsfan]

I retract all outstanding offers before kickoff using my league software. As a commish, I'm not sure how sympathetic I would be to this situation when our rules indicate that what happens in the site (regarding trades) is what goes.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

It's a doosh move. Yeah, the owner offering the trade should have revoked it. But the person who ran to the pc and accepted the offer knew what they were doing. I'd undo the trade as commish and call out the cheap move.

 

[Frank Black]

I was listening to a show this morning where they were talking about the following scenario (I'm changing names to protect the innocent) and I've seen some people around the Shark Pool describe the same scenario over the years:1. Harry makes a trade offer to Draco.2. Draco doesn't get back to Harry about the offer soon after the offer is made.3. Days or even weeks go by and Harry forgets he made the offer. But the league software keeps the trade offer in effect.4. Then, at a time when the offer is no longer fair (due to injury, real NFL trades or other circumstances), Draco accepts the offer later because the software still made the offer available for him to accept.5. As a result of the trade, Harry is shafted big time.HOW TO AVOID: When you make a trade offer, include a note with the trade offer that clearly states the date that the trade offer expires. State in the note that the trade offer will expire after the said date even if you for any reason neglect to withdraw the offer. This way, if you forget about the trade and the other person later accepts the offer, you have a good argument to your Commish that the other person should not have accepted the offer and that the Commish should undo the trade.

MFL has a setting on the trade screen that allows you to select a time/date on when the trade will expire, or Harry can just check up on his open offers and revoke.

Good to know about MFL. Hopefully most other sites have this feature.

 

[JoeSteeler]

How do you forget you made a trade offer?

 

[comfortably numb]

How do you forget you made a trade offer?

You are in 9 leagues and 6 pools. I could see it slipping your mind.

 

[jlaw]

How do you forget you made a trade offer?

I'm with you. The answer to OP's question is "by not being a mongoloid and leaving trade offers open that long"

 

[Frank Black]

How do you forget you made a trade offer?

I'm with you. The answer to OP's question is "by not being a mongoloid and leaving trade offers open that long"

My advice assumes that everyone makes their best efforts to remember, but that sometimes real life demands get in the way of remembering FF trade offers, just as the average person sometimes forgets other things in life that are far more important than FF. Also, as someone else mentioned, some people play in so many leagues that a misremembered trade offer may slip through the cracks.My advice is not a substitute for best efforts to remember the trade offer. My advice is a CYA just in case you don't remember.

 

[DevilintheDetail]

How do you forget you made a trade offer?

I'm with you. The answer to OP's question is "by not being a mongoloid and leaving trade offers open that long"

My advice assumes that everyone makes their best efforts to remember, but that sometimes real life demands get in the way of remembering FF trade offers, just as the average person sometimes forgets other things in life that are far more important than FF. Also, as someone else mentioned, some people play in so many leagues that a misremembered trade offer may slip through the cracks.My advice is not a substitute for best efforts to remember the trade offer. My advice is a CYA just in case you don't remember.

If the trade offer is "live", it is ethical to accept it. Period. Any other rule just invites arguments and abuse. Pay attention to your offers and revoke after a reasonable time.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

How do you forget you made a trade offer?

I'm with you. The answer to OP's question is "by not being a mongoloid and leaving trade offers open that long"

My advice assumes that everyone makes their best efforts to remember, but that sometimes real life demands get in the way of remembering FF trade offers, just as the average person sometimes forgets other things in life that are far more important than FF. Also, as someone else mentioned, some people play in so many leagues that a misremembered trade offer may slip through the cracks.My advice is not a substitute for best efforts to remember the trade offer. My advice is a CYA just in case you don't remember.

If the trade offer is "live", it is ethical to accept it.

Period. Any other rule just invites arguments and abuse. Pay attention to your offers and revoke after a reasonable time.

X

 

[squistion]

How do you forget you made a trade offer?

I'm with you. The answer to OP's question is "by not being a mongoloid and leaving trade offers open that long"

My advice assumes that everyone makes their best efforts to remember, but that sometimes real life demands get in the way of remembering FF trade offers, just as the average person sometimes forgets other things in life that are far more important than FF. Also, as someone else mentioned, some people play in so many leagues that a misremembered trade offer may slip through the cracks.My advice is not a substitute for best efforts to remember the trade offer. My advice is a CYA just in case you don't remember.

If the trade offer is "live", it is ethical to accept it. Period. Any other rule just invites arguments and abuse. Pay attention to your offers and revoke after a reasonable time.

No, for instance, if someone offers a trade for a player who is then killed in an auto accident, it is not ethical for the other person to accept it - it may be within the rules, but that doesn't make it ethical. That said, when I tender an offer, if it is not accepted or I have not heard from the other party within 48 hours, I revoke the offer. If it is a trade they really want to do, they can always make the same offer to you (and that has happened with me several times).

 

[Shutout]

If you make a trade offer, then it is just that "an offer", as is. If a scenario changes and unbalances that offer, then it is on you to revoke it. That's just part of the risk.

MFL Does have the ability for an owner to set a time limit on an offer and owners do have a responsibility to keep up with their team.

Even in a unique situation like, let's say I make an offer and then my wife goes into labor. I know my fantasy team is not what I'm thinking about at that moment but from the other side, it IS an offer out there.

I think its just a hard area to legislate because when an offer is there, its there and somebody DID want that offer out there at some point. The risk that I offer to trade for a player who gets killed in a car crash is extreme but its not any different than putting one out there for a player that tears an ACL in practice. Those things have to be weighed out because you have to KNOW that those things happen in the NFL and someone may hear the news quicker than you.

We actually had a situation a few years ago where someone had offered something like Finley for Turner and Finley was hurt but not expected to go to IR. The second it was announced that Finley WAS going to be IR'd, the other guy took the trade. Well, the guy making the offer was mad and the league wanted to vote on overturning and all but, it was an offer and that's that.

I think if you are REALLy worried about a situation like that then you email or text or actually talk to the guy and say "ok, do we have a deal RIGHT NOW?" and then you expect it to be processed in just a few minutes.

 

[JoeSteeler]

How do you forget you made a trade offer?

You are in 9 leagues and 6 pools. I could see it slipping your mind.

I'm in 7 leagues.

 

[JoeSteeler]

If you make a trade offer, then it is just that "an offer", as is. If a scenario changes and unbalances that offer, then it is on you to revoke it. That's just part of the risk.MFL Does have the ability for an owner to set a time limit on an offer and owners do have a responsibility to keep up with their team.Even in a unique situation like, let's say I make an offer and then my wife goes into labor. I know my fantasy team is not what I'm thinking about at that moment but from the other side, it IS an offer out there. I think its just a hard area to legislate because when an offer is there, its there and somebody DID want that offer out there at some point. The risk that I offer to trade for a player who gets killed in a car crash is extreme but its not any different than putting one out there for a player that tears an ACL in practice. Those things have to be weighed out because you have to KNOW that those things happen in the NFL and someone may hear the news quicker than you. We actually had a situation a few years ago where someone had offered something like Finley for Turner and Finley was hurt but not expected to go to IR. The second it was announced that Finley WAS going to be IR'd, the other guy took the trade. Well, the guy making the offer was mad and the league wanted to vote on overturning and all but, it was an offer and that's that. I think if you are REALLy worried about a situation like that then you email or text or actually talk to the guy and say "ok, do we have a deal RIGHT NOW?" and then you expect it to be processed in just a few minutes.

Shutout knows things.

 

[JHuber77]

Here's a novel idea. Unless you are in a league where you don't know one another, try this out. Talk about all trades offline and only go online to consummate the trade agreed to. If you must use the website to offer trades or accept them from people you don't know, clear all offers before the kickoff when setting your final lineup. Its really not that hard. If it was a great trade to begin with and someone is ignoring it, after you retract the offer, they will contact you again if its a trade they actually wanted.

 

[Captain Hook]

I was listening to a show this morning where they were talking about the following scenario (I'm changing names to protect the innocent) and I've seen some people around the Shark Pool describe the same scenario over the years:1. Harry makes a trade offer to Draco.2. Draco doesn't get back to Harry about the offer soon after the offer is made.3. Days or even weeks go by and Harry forgets he made the offer. But the league software keeps the trade offer in effect.4. Then, at a time when the offer is no longer fair (due to injury, real NFL trades or other circumstances), Draco accepts the offer later because the software still made the offer available for him to accept.5. As a result of the trade, Harry is shafted big time.HOW TO AVOID: When you make a trade offer, include a note with the trade offer that clearly states the date that the trade offer expires. State in the note that the trade offer will expire after the said date even if you for any reason neglect to withdraw the offer. This way, if you forget about the trade and the other person later accepts the offer, you have a good argument to your Commish that the other person should not have accepted the offer and that the Commish should undo the trade.

Alternatively you could just make them by personal email to the other team and then never have any site problems and have it more personal and likely to get more response that would lead to a trade

 

[Hawk Fan]

Here's a novel idea. Unless you are in a league where you don't know one another, try this out. Talk about all trades offline and only go online to consummate the trade agreed to. If you must use the website to offer trades or accept them from people you don't know, clear all offers before the kickoff when setting your final lineup. Its really not that hard. If it was a great trade to begin with and someone is ignoring it, after you retract the offer, they will contact you again if its a trade they actually wanted.

This is the preferred way to do it. But that doesn't always work for some owners who don't pay as much attention to fantasy football or want "to think about it" and never get back to you. It's a risk and you have to be on top of things if you leave offers out there.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

If you make a trade offer, then it is just that "an offer", as is. If a scenario changes and unbalances that offer, then it is on you to revoke it. That's just part of the risk.MFL Does have the ability for an owner to set a time limit on an offer and owners do have a responsibility to keep up with their team.Even in a unique situation like, let's say I make an offer and then my wife goes into labor. I know my fantasy team is not what I'm thinking about at that moment but from the other side, it IS an offer out there. I think its just a hard area to legislate because when an offer is there, its there and somebody DID want that offer out there at some point. The risk that I offer to trade for a player who gets killed in a car crash is extreme but its not any different than putting one out there for a player that tears an ACL in practice. Those things have to be weighed out because you have to KNOW that those things happen in the NFL and someone may hear the news quicker than you. We actually had a situation a few years ago where someone had offered something like Finley for Turner and Finley was hurt but not expected to go to IR. The second it was announced that Finley WAS going to be IR'd, the other guy took the trade. Well, the guy making the offer was mad and the league wanted to vote on overturning and all but, it was an offer and that's that. I think if you are REALLy worried about a situation like that then you email or text or actually talk to the guy and say "ok, do we have a deal RIGHT NOW?" and then you expect it to be processed in just a few minutes.

Shutout knows things.

So owner A, in good faith, offers Doug Martin to Owner B for Fred Jackson. A few days later, Fred Jackson gets injured. Owner B logs on that night and gleefully accepts the deal, and you think that it has to stand because Owner A didn't run to a PC fast enough to revoke the offer? What an absolute numbnuts perspective on the whole situation. It's not at all "hard to legislate" - any commissioner with an ounce of common sense should be able to sort out situations like these. If that happened in my league I'd obviously reverse the trade and then throw Owner B out at the end of the year. Don't be that one owner who's just a headache for everyone else to deal with.

 

[ichris]

I only officially submit trade offers after discussing it with the person I'm trading with. Unless there's an offer and acceptance of the offer, I don't enter trades into the website.

I certainly would never leave a trade offer on the table for more than a day.

 

[Yenrub]

Since my league uses MFL and MFL provides each owner with the opportunity to set a time limit on how long the offer is available this isn’t an issue for us.

I’m actually surprised that all of the fantasy sites don’t have this feature built into it

We all know that players can get hurt during the games, therefore keeping trades open on gameday carries a some risk. I prefer not to take that risk so I always set my offers to expire about an hour before kickoff (or the night before if I know I won’t have access to change my lineup if necessary on gameday)

 

[da_budman]

Dangling trade offers/ buyers remorse/ ooops I pressed the wrong button. These types of issues never ever need to happen and the answer is so simple. Players A and B come up with a deal and both contact the commish who processes the move. Its so simple.

I know league websites are great and I would never want to go back to the paper and pencil Tuesday morning usa today scoring/ taking phone calls at all hours with owners putting in their lineups but this is one instance where the good old days really is better.

Owners come to terms on a trade...and call/email/message board the commish. Theres no way for anything to go wrong then.

 

[kegger]

What would be nice is the person offering the trade also has to hit accept when/if an trade IS excepted.

It's always possible you submit a trade in the morning, the guy your targeting gets hurt in the afternoon

and it's owner gets an update goes in and accepts the trade, if you had a chance to respond you'd be fine.

(which would also work for trades you may have forgotten about, each party has a chance to accept or deny)

Now most software doesn't seem to allow this, but it's certainly a rule your league could institute though.

(just stated in the league rules, commish verifies with owners all excepted trades, just ask yes or no)

 

[habsfan]

If you make a trade offer, then it is just that "an offer", as is. If a scenario changes and unbalances that offer, then it is on you to revoke it. That's just part of the risk.MFL Does have the ability for an owner to set a time limit on an offer and owners do have a responsibility to keep up with their team.Even in a unique situation like, let's say I make an offer and then my wife goes into labor. I know my fantasy team is not what I'm thinking about at that moment but from the other side, it IS an offer out there. I think its just a hard area to legislate because when an offer is there, its there and somebody DID want that offer out there at some point. The risk that I offer to trade for a player who gets killed in a car crash is extreme but its not any different than putting one out there for a player that tears an ACL in practice. Those things have to be weighed out because you have to KNOW that those things happen in the NFL and someone may hear the news quicker than you. We actually had a situation a few years ago where someone had offered something like Finley for Turner and Finley was hurt but not expected to go to IR. The second it was announced that Finley WAS going to be IR'd, the other guy took the trade. Well, the guy making the offer was mad and the league wanted to vote on overturning and all but, it was an offer and that's that. I think if you are REALLy worried about a situation like that then you email or text or actually talk to the guy and say "ok, do we have a deal RIGHT NOW?" and then you expect it to be processed in just a few minutes.

Shutout knows things.

So owner A, in good faith, offers Doug Martin to Owner B for Fred Jackson. A few days later, Fred Jackson gets injured. Owner B logs on that night and gleefully accepts the deal, and you think that it has to stand because Owner A didn't run to a PC fast enough to revoke the offer? What an absolute numbnuts perspective on the whole situation. It's not at all "hard to legislate" - any commissioner with an ounce of common sense should be able to sort out situations like these. If that happened in my league I'd obviously reverse the trade and then throw Owner B out at the end of the year. Don't be that one owner who's just a headache for everyone else to deal with.

I'm sure any commish with an ounce of common sense can sort situations like these out too. What I prefer to see is owners not proposing trades through the league site and leaving them dangling out there through gameday and/or for extended periods of time. Suppose Fred Jackson gets just a little bit hurt or gets traded suddenly or has an awesome/terrible day? I don't really want to mediate trade disputes like that in my league.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

If you make a trade offer, then it is just that "an offer", as is. If a scenario changes and unbalances that offer, then it is on you to revoke it. That's just part of the risk.MFL Does have the ability for an owner to set a time limit on an offer and owners do have a responsibility to keep up with their team.Even in a unique situation like, let's say I make an offer and then my wife goes into labor. I know my fantasy team is not what I'm thinking about at that moment but from the other side, it IS an offer out there. I think its just a hard area to legislate because when an offer is there, its there and somebody DID want that offer out there at some point. The risk that I offer to trade for a player who gets killed in a car crash is extreme but its not any different than putting one out there for a player that tears an ACL in practice. Those things have to be weighed out because you have to KNOW that those things happen in the NFL and someone may hear the news quicker than you. We actually had a situation a few years ago where someone had offered something like Finley for Turner and Finley was hurt but not expected to go to IR. The second it was announced that Finley WAS going to be IR'd, the other guy took the trade. Well, the guy making the offer was mad and the league wanted to vote on overturning and all but, it was an offer and that's that. I think if you are REALLy worried about a situation like that then you email or text or actually talk to the guy and say "ok, do we have a deal RIGHT NOW?" and then you expect it to be processed in just a few minutes.

Shutout knows things.

So owner A, in good faith, offers Doug Martin to Owner B for Fred Jackson. A few days later, Fred Jackson gets injured. Owner B logs on that night and gleefully accepts the deal, and you think that it has to stand because Owner A didn't run to a PC fast enough to revoke the offer? What an absolute numbnuts perspective on the whole situation. It's not at all "hard to legislate" - any commissioner with an ounce of common sense should be able to sort out situations like these. If that happened in my league I'd obviously reverse the trade and then throw Owner B out at the end of the year. Don't be that one owner who's just a headache for everyone else to deal with.

I'm sure any commish with an ounce of common sense can sort situations like these out too. What I prefer to see is owners not proposing trades through the league site and leaving them dangling out there through gameday and/or for extended periods of time. Suppose Fred Jackson gets just a little bit hurt or gets traded suddenly or has an awesome/terrible day? I don't really want to mediate trade disputes like that in my league.

I think the real problem isn't with the league website, or the commissioner, or with Owner A. I think the problem only arises if you have an Owner B in your league, who sees an offer that's been hanging out there, knows circumstances may have changed, and decides to accept and insist that the trade has to stand. Maybe I'm just lucky, but in my two leagues we never have issues like these, not because we have airtight rules covering every situation, but because we've got a reasonable group of owners who don't try to exploit situations or enforce technicalities. If someone left a trade offer to me on the website, and I later accept it, and then they come back in a reasonable time frame and say, "Hey, sorry, I didn't mean to leave that offer out there, I no longer want to do that deal because [whatever reason]," I'd say, "OK, no biggie," and have the commissioner reverse it. I know that's how all the owners in my league would handle it. But like I said, maybe I'm just lucky. If one of the owners did make a stink about it and insist that the trade should stand, they probably wouldn't be an owner in the league much longer. I guess I shouldn't have limited it to the commissioner - a little common sense from all involved should be able to avoid these problems.

 

[Soulfly3]

Some of you play in #### leagues.

Plain and simple

 

[Jewell]

Harry makes a trade offer to Draco.As a result of the trade, Harry is shafted big time.

The ol' Harry shaft. I've seen it a million times.

 

[Soulfly3]

Harry makes a trade offer to Draco.As a result of the trade, Harry is shafted big time.

The ol' Harry shaft. I've seen it a million times.

that's cool man.we're all accepting here.

 

[Birdie048]

If someone left a trade offer to me on the website, and I later accept it, and then they come back in a reasonable time frame and say, "Hey, sorry, I didn't mean to leave that offer out there, I no longer want to do that deal because [whatever reason]," I'd say, "OK, no biggie," and have the commissioner reverse it. I know that's how all the owners in my league would handle it. But like I said, maybe I'm just lucky. If one of the owners did make a stink about it and insist that the trade should stand, they probably wouldn't be an owner in the league much longer. I guess I shouldn't have limited it to the commissioner - a little common sense from all involved should be able to avoid these problems.

While this is your right, it is not a requirement. Not everybody sees this issue the same way. While it is not ideal to take advantage of another's error, it is an "Opportunity" for somebody. It's not common sense either.... it is more an issue of the competitive nature of FF'ers and the values they hold (sportsmanship/honor). As you imply, your league members would gladly return/revoke/undo the deal. Good for you. Not all leagues are this way.

But why? The deal was made in good faith and at the time, the person making the "Offer" felt it fair. Things change. Events happen. Would you require a trade to be undone if the player(s) you just acquired in trade were A) Arrested B) Suspended C) Seriously Injured or D) Traded to a desolate team???

What is the difference expect for the timing of the events? Offers are the responsibility of the person proposing the deal. They shoulder the burden of responsibility if circumstances change to raise/lower the value of the players involved.

 

[Soulfly3]

If someone left a trade offer to me on the website, and I later accept it, and then they come back in a reasonable time frame and say, "Hey, sorry, I didn't mean to leave that offer out there, I no longer want to do that deal because [whatever reason]," I'd say, "OK, no biggie," and have the commissioner reverse it. I know that's how all the owners in my league would handle it. But like I said, maybe I'm just lucky. If one of the owners did make a stink about it and insist that the trade should stand, they probably wouldn't be an owner in the league much longer. I guess I shouldn't have limited it to the commissioner - a little common sense from all involved should be able to avoid these problems.

While this is your right, it is not a requirement. Not everybody sees this issue the same way. While it is not ideal to take advantage of another's error, it is an "Opportunity" for somebody. It's not common sense either.... it is more an issue of the competitive nature of FF'ers and the values they hold (sportsmanship/honor). As you imply, your league members would gladly return/revoke/undo the deal. Good for you. Not all leagues are this way.

But why? The deal was made in good faith and at the time, the person making the "Offer" felt it fair. Things change. Events happen. Would you require a trade to be undone if the player(s) you just acquired in trade were A) Arrested B) Suspended C) Seriously Injured or D) Traded to a desolate team???

What is the difference expect for the timing of the events? Offers are the responsibility of the person proposing the deal. They shoulder the burden of responsibility if circumstances change to raise/lower the value of the players involved.

You answered your own question.Assuming you meant "except"

 

[3nOut]

It's a doosh move. Yeah, the owner offering the trade should have revoked it. But the person who ran to the pc and accepted the offer knew what they were doing. I'd undo the trade as commish and call out the cheap move.

Unless it was due to unforeseen circumstances, as the commish, I would allow the move and still call out the cheap move. Other owners will think twice trading with this guy again.

 

[Road Warriors]

One way to handle these issues can be simply handled.

We use a commish approves all trades. Prior to approval, each owner has to contact the commish with their acceptance of the trade as executed in the site. If one owner doesn't agree to the trade, it's reversed and we all go on with our lives. Covers all sorts of situations where deals were offered and circumstances change without penalizing those of us who don't spend 24/7 online and react to fluid NFL situations immediately.

Works for us.

 

[Sienna2012]

I hate leagues where you have to hold owners hands. Dear Commish, I made a trade offer and forgot about it. Now I changed my mind. Can you wipe my nose and undo the trade because now it does not work for me. That crap kills me.

 

[Birdie048]

What is the difference expect for the timing of the events? Offers are the responsibility of the person proposing the deal. They shoulder the burden of responsibility if circumstances change to raise/lower the value of the players involved.

You answered your own question.Assuming you meant "except"

Yeah... typing in the dark....difficult to see the keys and I missed the typo.

Thanks for pointing out the obvious.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

While this is your right, it is not a requirement. Not everybody sees this issue the same way. While it is not ideal to take advantage of another's error, it is an "Opportunity" for somebody.

I never said it's a requirement, but let's be reasonable here. If I see someone leave their purse on a park bench, I see an "Opportunity" to take their money. But I don't, because that would make me an #######. Just because there are people in the world who don't see it the same way I do doesn't mean I have to tolerate their way. The kind of guy who decides to "take advantage of another's error" in this instance isn't savvy, he's a #####. It'd certainly be grounds for dismissal in any league I'm involved in.

But why? The deal was made in good faith and at the time, the person making the "Offer" felt it fair. Things change. Events happen. Would you require a trade to be undone if the player(s) you just acquired in trade were A) Arrested B) Suspended C) Seriously Injured or D) Traded to a desolate team???

What is the difference expect for the timing of the events?

Um, that's exactly the difference. If I've already made a trade, anything that happens after that point is on me. That has nothing to do with what we're talking about here. You said it yourself - "The deal was made in good faith and at the time, the person making the 'Offer' felt it fair."

Offers are the responsibility of the person proposing the deal. They shoulder the burden of responsibility if circumstances change to raise/lower the value of the players involved.

This is an absurd condition to impose on someone making a trade offer. It's obviously implicit in any offer that it's based on the circumstances in place at the time of the offer, and if the circumstances change then only a giant ##### would try to pull a fast one and enforce the trade. I guess some of you really do play with people like this, but like I said earlier, if that's the case, then your problem isn't the way trades are handled, and your problem isn't with the guy who initially made the offer. Your problem is the ##### in your league that would try to accept the offer after things had changed. If you play with these people, then sure, I guess it's important for you to add an expiration date to your trade offers or whatever. But instead of defending his "right" to exploit an obvious mistake, perhaps you should reevaluate the kind of people you're letting in your league.

 

[Sienna2012]

I am just wondering if we are crossing boundaries that should not be crossed. Sooner or later commishes every where will be overturning everything.

 

[Short Corner]

Sounds like a fall back for buyer's remorse.

 

[ratbast]

Try being active and if you are in 9 leagues that is your problem not mine.

This is how i feel if the trade was something like AP for Hillis, trade offered a week ago.

Of the trade involved with an injured player, then its between you and the other owner.

The commish "might" get involved to help the discussion but he should not overturn anything without the approval of the owner who accepted the deal.

You dont get to take back chess moves either, the trading owner has "shown some cards", because YOU forgot to withdraw your trade.

Waaaaaa! and to the owner who accepted the trade for the IRd player...don't be a loser, undo the trade!

 

[Mario Kart]

This happened in one league of mine about 4-5 years ago. Huge hassle for everyone in the league. Here is what happened:

Owner A before the draft offered a trade to Owner B (I am not either owner). Owner A was rarely on the net due to traveling, schedule and what have you. Our trade deadline is week 8 of the NFL season. Owner B accepts the trade just before the trade deadline. The trade involved draft picks of that years draft so when the trade was accepted it kind of messed up the draft that was done 9 weeks earlier.

Everyone voted on it and the easiest solution was to go back and redo the draft. Since the draft picks were significant enough (I think it was like Owner A's 3rd and 9th round pick for Owner B's 4th and 6th round) the league decided to let the trade go through and we all met up one night to redraft.

The whole league redrafted and with the same schedule and new teams, the first 8 weeks were run through. I was not mad about the whole thing. My team went from 3-5 to 4-4. The leader before the redraft was 7-1 and after the redraft he was 3-5. So, it worked out for everyone. (I'm changing his name) but I wonder what happened to Eric. No one has heard from him in 4-5 years.

 

[Caveman_Nick]

Just have a rule in your league where offers have to be offered and accepted by the league software and also confirmed on the league message board. Both conditions need to be met for the trade to be valid. Does away with the "Ah-HA!" trade.

 

[ClownDogs]

Just have a rule in your league where offers have to be offered and accepted by the league software and also confirmed on the league message board. Both conditions need to be met for the trade to be valid. Does away with the "Ah-HA!" trade.

This is no good imo. You can offer me a trade, i accept and post in message board and wait for your approval. While i am waiting, you get hammered cause you sent me an offer i could not refuse and owners make fun of you. You don't "approve" it on message board and i get F'ed.

 

[ratbast]

Dont make trade offers if you cant handle the responsibility involved. Why do we need rules here? It is between the 2 owners, that is that.

Not our fault, sorry bro. There is no ruling here. I would rather you messed up your team than mess up the rest of the league.

 

[Birdie048]

Offers are the responsibility of the person proposing the deal. They shoulder the burden of responsibility if circumstances change to raise/lower the value of the players involved.

This is an absurd condition to impose on someone making a trade offer. It's obviously implicit in any offer that it's based on the circumstances in place at the time of the offer, and if the circumstances change then only a giant ##### would try to pull a fast one and enforce the trade. I guess some of you really do play with people like this, but like I said earlier, if that's the case, then your problem isn't the way trades are handled, and your problem isn't with the guy who initially made the offer. Your problem is the ##### in your league that would try to accept the offer after things had changed. If you play with these people, then sure, I guess it's important for you to add an expiration date to your trade offers or whatever. But instead of defending his "right" to exploit an obvious mistake, perhaps you should reevaluate the kind of people you're letting in your league.

Why is it absurd to put the burden on the person neglecting something they started? They neglected to monitor the offer sitting out there. Do you not have any consequences in your life for neglected items? Bills, kids, pets, laws? So it's okay in your league for owners to neglect to submit lineups each week? Or does your Commissioner automatically fill in last week's lineup as a precaution to avoid them being punished for being negligent in their duties as an owner. Being in a "friendly" gentleman's league is fine - Great for you & your league mates. But most FF owners enjoy the competitive nature of the game. Even if the benefits of victory are only the privilege of trash talking your friends, it is still a victory. Opportunities are advantages and advantages missed could mean failure.

 

[Caveman_Nick]

Just have a rule in your league where offers have to be offered and accepted by the league software and also confirmed on the league message board. Both conditions need to be met for the trade to be valid. Does away with the "Ah-HA!" trade.

This is no good imo. You can offer me a trade, i accept and post in message board and wait for your approval. While i am waiting, you get hammered cause you sent me an offer i could not refuse and owners make fun of you. You don't "approve" it on message board and i get F'ed.

So you are afraid that with a rule like this you might have a tougher time snookering people into bad deals?

 

[theplayer11]

If you make an offer, it's your responsibility to revoke..PERIOD. It's part of being an owner

Anyone who #####es or cries about it later shouls be smacked in the face..

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

How do you forget you made a trade offer?

You are in 9 leagues and 6 pools. I could see it slipping your mind.

Honestly, then it's your fault for forgetting, not the other owner's for taking the offer you still have on the table. Don't get me wrong, the past couple seasons, as I've focused more time on family and a bit less on FF, I have missed a WW claim or two, overlooked an injury, etc. That's all my fault, and I have no reason to be upset with anyone but myself for not spending adequate time keeping up with my 5 leagues.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Try being active and if you are in 9 leagues that is your problem not mine.

 

[ClownDogs]

Just have a rule in your league where offers have to be offered and accepted by the league software and also confirmed on the league message board. Both conditions need to be met for the trade to be valid. Does away with the "Ah-HA!" trade.

This is no good imo. You can offer me a trade, i accept and post in message board and wait for your approval. While i am waiting, you get hammered cause you sent me an offer i could not refuse and owners make fun of you. You don't "approve" it on message board and i get F'ed.

So you are afraid that with a rule like this you might have a tougher time snookering people into bad deals?

No, if you send it thru site then that is official enough, no? Maybe i should accept an offer YOU send, post on message board, send email, stamped letter, text and newspaper ad? If someone sends it and it stays in my inbox, i assume that as long as that offer is there, that owner is still up to that deal. Just my thoughts.....

 

[GregR]

Couple of people have already mentioned how easy it is to avoid this problem in most leagues. Only use the site to consummate a deal. Don't use it to negotiate one.