SoloMatisse
Footballguy
That is the quietest $3-5 MILLION you'll ever hear a guy make. Good for Ahman...I was thinking he'd get screwed and ONLY get like a MIL and a half. He's earned some healthy coin....too bad its not for 2 years.
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H.K.
Footballguy
A few things to point out here about Ahman since he became a Packer:
1) Outside of 2005 he has never finished a season worse than 13th among all FF RBs
2) His worst season was in 2004 and he still had over 1400 yards and 8 TD's (40 recepts in PPR)
3) Except for 2005, he has had at least 299 touches a year in GB
People have short memories when it comes to players coming off of bad seasons, just look at when Emmitt Smith had a significant downward trend in numbers when he bottomed out in 1997 with barely over 1000 yards rushing and 4 TD's, but he put up very nice seasons in 1998 & 1999.
On the other hand, we have Gado:
1) Gado had a 4.1 YPC average last season, its not like he was monster. On the other hand, Green has a 4.6 YPC career average.
2) Gado only caught 10 passes in eight games. In comparison, Green recorded 19 catches in five games before getting hurt.
3) Nearly 50% of Gado's rushing yardage came in two games against DET & PHI. He also had a 10 carry 7 yard game against MIN, and two games against tough run defenses in PIT & CHI where he averaged less than 3 yards a carry.
4) Gado sprained his knee vs Balt and did not play in the final game. If Green can make it five seasons as a feature back but have his durability be a concern, why is Gado a safer bet if he can't make it through half a season?
Could Gado be the back-up to Green? Sure. But thinking a player with limited experience, a poorer track record, and now lesser financial commitment will unseat the incumbent pro-bowler does not seem too logical.
Stats source: FBG player pages
1) Outside of 2005 he has never finished a season worse than 13th among all FF RBs
2) His worst season was in 2004 and he still had over 1400 yards and 8 TD's (40 recepts in PPR)
3) Except for 2005, he has had at least 299 touches a year in GB
People have short memories when it comes to players coming off of bad seasons, just look at when Emmitt Smith had a significant downward trend in numbers when he bottomed out in 1997 with barely over 1000 yards rushing and 4 TD's, but he put up very nice seasons in 1998 & 1999.
On the other hand, we have Gado:
1) Gado had a 4.1 YPC average last season, its not like he was monster. On the other hand, Green has a 4.6 YPC career average.
2) Gado only caught 10 passes in eight games. In comparison, Green recorded 19 catches in five games before getting hurt.
3) Nearly 50% of Gado's rushing yardage came in two games against DET & PHI. He also had a 10 carry 7 yard game against MIN, and two games against tough run defenses in PIT & CHI where he averaged less than 3 yards a carry.
4) Gado sprained his knee vs Balt and did not play in the final game. If Green can make it five seasons as a feature back but have his durability be a concern, why is Gado a safer bet if he can't make it through half a season?
Could Gado be the back-up to Green? Sure. But thinking a player with limited experience, a poorer track record, and now lesser financial commitment will unseat the incumbent pro-bowler does not seem too logical.
Stats source: FBG player pages
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Boston
Footballguy
As stated I don't see a problem with this if he's doing it out of loyalty or comfort. I do think loyalty is a two way street and the Pack isn't taking much of a risk here since it's only a one year deal.It's too bad that Green actually wanted to show some loyalty and stay in a place that he enjoys. He has compared Green Bay to Lincoln and that means something to him. Shame on him for that!
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Now, the Pack needs to show Walker some love, resign Kevin Berry, resign Kampman, let Grady Jackson test the waters, use their cap money to grab a good O-lineman, and I like their direction. Frankly I think they can be every bit as effective as they wre two years ago, particularly as they will be able to get an impact defensive player in the draft and may even concievably be able to trade down and still add an impact defensive player as well as a solid offensive lineman in the first round.
I'm very excited.
I'm very excited.
I agree with the conclusion but not quite the analysis. In the games he played in last year (which is far more relevant than his career stats from his glory days) Green ran for 3.3 y/c. Gado was the only back to show any signs of life last season under this offense. This was and until proven otherwise still is an offense in shambles and Brett Favre isnt what he was by any stretch. You are right that Gado isnt going to waltz in and take the job under any circumstance, but i think it is also unwise to assume Green is going to be anywhere near as productive as he was earlier in his career. He is still relatively young (29) but he has a fair amount of miles on him. You may be correct that he will just eek out a living and still put up almost respectable numbers, but in that case he will likely start losing touches to Gado in a RBBC situation. Bottom line is Gado is still a good cheap prospect with nice upside, while Green has huge upside but is a much bigger risk at his age and station. He will also be very expensive due to name recognition alone- in my opinion is set to be one of the most overvalued RBs of 06 in fantasy, while Gado will be a nice semi-sleeper
Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
Another thing to consider is how Green and Gado will operate in the zone blocking scheme. Which of these two are a better fit for that type of running game? Or, won't it matter?
Fla\/\/ed
Footballguy
From JSOnline a few days ago..Either way, the Packers still think Green can be an effective player, even as they make the transformation to a zone running scheme. Over the past five years, the Packers have employed a power-gap scheme that blocks the opponent a different way.
McCarthy thinks Green and Gado will have no problem adjusting.
"The biggest thing about the system is you're looking for the type of runner who puts his foot down and goes," he said. "You're not making a bunch of moves at the line of scrimmage. I think from what I've seen on film, both guys will be a fit for that style of running. It's not a matter of whether they've run it; the reads will be similar to what they've done before. There will be more emphasis on one cut, one decision."
Regardless of what happens with Green, McCarthy said Gado was still in the team's plans. It's harder to predict whether an undrafted rookie who went from the practice squad to the starting lineup will be capable of handling a full-time load better than someone with Green's experience.
"I think when you're dealing with the running back position and even the quarterback position, the toll that individual takes, you never have enough good running backs," McCarthy said. "What Ahman has done in the past obviously speaks for itself. Until you've done it for a full 16 games, you never know. Monday morning there are few guys who feel worse than a running back."
H.K.
Footballguy
I just think that last year's small sample size is not a fair indicator that Green is finished and Gado is the heir apparent.
Green saw his average dip to 4.3 YPC in 2002 after having back to back 1700+ total yard seasons prior to then where he averaged 4.6 and 4.5 YPC...then in 2003 he exploded for 5.3 YPC and 20 TD's.
I am not saying he will put up 2003 numbers again, but it just seems like there are too many premature nails going into this 29 year old's coffin after a season that saw everything go wrong for the Packers.
Green saw his average dip to 4.3 YPC in 2002 after having back to back 1700+ total yard seasons prior to then where he averaged 4.6 and 4.5 YPC...then in 2003 he exploded for 5.3 YPC and 20 TD's.
I am not saying he will put up 2003 numbers again, but it just seems like there are too many premature nails going into this 29 year old's coffin after a season that saw everything go wrong for the Packers.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
As I see it, Green is either healthy and Gado is an afterthought. Or Green is not healthy and it doesn't make a difference for Green owners anyway. Gado's value stems directly from Green's health, IMO. I don't see Gado taking much if anything away from a healthy Green.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Green was a back up in seattle for a couple of years if i remember correctly,then went to GB and got a chance to prove himself(successfully ) , what makes people think that givin the same chance Gado couldnt succeed? I for one believe this kid has something special...only time and a whole season will tell.
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el centro
Footballguy
I don't understand why everyone's all the rage over Green! Seems to me there were 5 different RBs that played behind this supposedly awful offensive line last season - and only ONE was able to perform! That was Gado! Green was autrocious last season, and not very good the 2nd half of `04. Naj & Fisher have never been anything more than mediocre backups. Gado outperformed them all - and that was with the same supporting crew.
Challenge Everything
Footballguy
Everyone seems to forget that Green/Davenport played when the OL was in its early stages of cohesiveness. Over a season the OL becomes better and Gado made the best of his opportunity when the OL had much more cohesiveness than in game 1. Besides, when Gado was the feature back the defenses still had to respect Brett Favre. He is still just as dangerous then most QB's in the league when it comes to bringing his team back no matter who he is throwing too. Brett Favre and a more jelling OL made those yards for Gado and to think those yards would not have been there for Green/Davenport later in the year is crazy thinking. Gado still had problems holding onto the ball and still did not showcase his talent when he could have against weaker teams too.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
HAHAHA...this makes me laugh
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Ya..Green never fumbled
Challenge Everything
Footballguy
Never said he didnt but when a player is given a limited opportunity he best not fumble as frequently as Gado did. Dont know the numbers but I would bet Green fumbled fewer times per carry than Gado did.Ya..Green never fumbled
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
I like to see a statistic for heart and determination.Also,green always seemed to fumble when the game was on the line..i could be wrong but i dont think so.Never said he didnt but when a player is given a limited opportunity he best not fumble as frequently as Gado did. Dont know the numbers but I would bet Green fumbled fewer times per carry than Gado did.Ya..Green never fumbled
Fla\/\/ed
Footballguy
You're wrong.Also,green always seemed to fumble when the game was on the line..i could be wrong but i dont think so.Never said he didnt but when a player is given a limited opportunity he best not fumble as frequently as Gado did. Dont know the numbers but I would bet Green fumbled fewer times per carry than Gado did.Ya..Green never fumbled
Does anyone know if Ahman tore the quad tendon on the same knee that was labelled 'degenerative' a couple seasons ago?
I thought I read an article where the people looking at his latest injury believed he has been playing with a weakened tendon since college.
If that's true, Ahman's knee may end up stronger than it was in the past...and that in turn could trigger a return to confidence in the knee that obviously wasn't there last season.
I thought I read an article where the people looking at his latest injury believed he has been playing with a weakened tendon since college.
If that's true, Ahman's knee may end up stronger than it was in the past...and that in turn could trigger a return to confidence in the knee that obviously wasn't there last season.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
So I guess this means talented but troubled Najeh Davenport is available. I wonder where he will land.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Fla\/\/ed
Footballguy
Just a theory....maybe Green is confident in his rehab and that he can attain those incentives. Those incentives may be more than anyone would have offered in a salary/bonus due to questions about his health. Plus, he has made it very known that he wanted to stay with the Packers.
I thought this was a weird contract for the Packers to sign at the time as well.
My understanding of the dark days when 2007 would be uncapped, was that all performance bonuses this year must be considered likely to be earned and count against this years cap. So Tom Silverstein was mistaken with the cap hit this year prior to the new deal. I think the whole contact would apply to this years cap.
The Pack must have planned to cut Green if no extension to the CBA was made. There is no way they would take 5 million out of the Salary cap for him.
As it is stated here, and with the new extension, I think this is a great deal for the packers. I am surprised that Green didn't push for the bonus money to be in total yards rather than rushing yards.
My understanding of the dark days when 2007 would be uncapped, was that all performance bonuses this year must be considered likely to be earned and count against this years cap. So Tom Silverstein was mistaken with the cap hit this year prior to the new deal. I think the whole contact would apply to this years cap.
The Pack must have planned to cut Green if no extension to the CBA was made. There is no way they would take 5 million out of the Salary cap for him.
As it is stated here, and with the new extension, I think this is a great deal for the packers. I am surprised that Green didn't push for the bonus money to be in total yards rather than rushing yards.
