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Alabama church wants its own police force (1 Viewer)
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The argument "they don't need it" doesn't really help with the comparison to colleges, though. Forget whether this church, or any other church or any other private entity, actually need this. Tell me why a private university should get its own police force, but not a church.
Reg Lllama of Brixton
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Why don't they just ask Sky Wizard to protect them?
FUBAR
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God made doctors, and medicine, and food and police officers.
Our church uses off duty police officers for traffic but I'd be dead set against having our own force. I'm not really in favor of colleges having their own full fledged police either, but there's a lot more rapey stuff going on there than in the church parking lot.
Henry Ford
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I don't know what everyone's so upset about. It's not like there's ever been a problem with the church having its own investigation and arrest force.
Henry Ford
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On an unrelated note, does anyone know how much wood you need to burn a witch?
Dedfin
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FUBAR
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Seems they're making the "all private entities should be treated the same" argument. Which fails for multiple reasons.
Some states sanction private universities having police forces as well. Including private, religious universities. Notre Dame has a police force.
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SacramentoBob
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It seems to me that if one private entity is granted a certain privilege, it's no longer incumbent upon private entity X to argue why they should be treated the same as the first entity, but incumbent upon others to argue why they shouldn't.
If allowing a private university to have its own police force is OK (personally, I'm not at all convinced it is OK), then why not a church? Simply saying "they're different" isn't a very good argument. Which particular difference is the driving factor that changes the equation, and why?
Henry Ford
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I think often the distinction in people's minds is the lack of required separation between Education and State.
The General
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Without reading anything and not caring to I'm just going to go ahead and say this is the dumbest thing I've read today and never come back in here.
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The oversight a state has over a private school versus the lack of oversight a state has over churches.
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding, but what oversight does the state lack with regard to churches? The state is certainly allowed to enforce its laws on church property.
5-ish Finkle
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Isn't that what a deacon is for? I mean, I assume they serve some purpose, why not bouncing?BowieMercs said:
The state has no power to regulate how churches are run. You know, that whole pesky separation of church and state thing. Private universities cannot exist without state approval. States can set standards for private universities. States can investigate the inner workings of private universities. States can yank the charters of private universities.
I don't find that terribly compelling for this particular argument, although I imagine others might. Police exist to enforce laws, yet neither universities nor churches get to make their own laws that conflict with state or federal laws. And, as noted earlier, the state most certainly can enforce its own laws on church (or university) property.
Personally, I would argue that the university shouldn't be allowed to have its own police force, rather than that the church should.
Zow
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Are Campus Police the Same as 'Real' Police?
By Andrew Chow, Esq. on October 23, 2012 8:55 AM
University and college campus police often act like "real" police, but do they have the same legal authority as other law-enforcement agencies?
A campus police officer at the University of South Alabama in Mobile shot and killed a naked student this month who allegedly "rushed and verbally challenged the officer in a fighting stance," CNN reports. The officer who killed Gilbert Thomas Collar, 18, of Wetumpka, Ala., was put on leave pending internal and external investigations.
So, do campus police have the authority to use deadly force?
It depends on whether the school is public or private, along with the laws in the state where the school is located.
Public universities are typically allowed to hire sworn police officers, and state laws dictate the scope of those officers' powers, Slate reports.
For example, in California, public university police officers can make arrests 24 hours a day, while a private college's officers can only do so when they're officially on duty, according to Slate.
In Alabama, a public school police officer (like the University of South Alabama officer who shot and killed the naked student) is "a peace officer whose authority extends to any place in the state," according to the law. However, the officer's use of his authority must be related to law-enforcement on the college campus where he is employed.
Alabama law also specifically allows certain private universities to hire campus police officers. These officers "shall be charged with all the duties and invested with all the powers of police officers," the law states, with some restrictions.
Other states like Virginia also allow both public and private universities to have their own sworn campus police forces, with the same or similar powers as other police forces, Slate reports.
But some campus police are more limited in their powers. This is especially true when a school contracts with a private security firm for campus patrols. Such police are more akin to mall cops: They may be armed, but they can only detain suspects until full-fledged police officers respond.
Though the University of South Alabama police officer may have had the authority to use deadly force, the investigations will likely focus on whether the officer's actions were proper under the circumstances. Either way, Gilbert Thomas Collar's surviving relatives are likely considering a wrongful death lawsuit over the college freshman's killing.
- See more at: http://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2012/10/are-campus-police-the-same-as-real-police.html#sthash.BVUWltvh.dpuf
By Andrew Chow, Esq. on October 23, 2012 8:55 AM
University and college campus police often act like "real" police, but do they have the same legal authority as other law-enforcement agencies?
A campus police officer at the University of South Alabama in Mobile shot and killed a naked student this month who allegedly "rushed and verbally challenged the officer in a fighting stance," CNN reports. The officer who killed Gilbert Thomas Collar, 18, of Wetumpka, Ala., was put on leave pending internal and external investigations.
So, do campus police have the authority to use deadly force?
It depends on whether the school is public or private, along with the laws in the state where the school is located.
Public universities are typically allowed to hire sworn police officers, and state laws dictate the scope of those officers' powers, Slate reports.
For example, in California, public university police officers can make arrests 24 hours a day, while a private college's officers can only do so when they're officially on duty, according to Slate.
In Alabama, a public school police officer (like the University of South Alabama officer who shot and killed the naked student) is "a peace officer whose authority extends to any place in the state," according to the law. However, the officer's use of his authority must be related to law-enforcement on the college campus where he is employed.
Alabama law also specifically allows certain private universities to hire campus police officers. These officers "shall be charged with all the duties and invested with all the powers of police officers," the law states, with some restrictions.
Other states like Virginia also allow both public and private universities to have their own sworn campus police forces, with the same or similar powers as other police forces, Slate reports.
But some campus police are more limited in their powers. This is especially true when a school contracts with a private security firm for campus patrols. Such police are more akin to mall cops: They may be armed, but they can only detain suspects until full-fledged police officers respond.
Though the University of South Alabama police officer may have had the authority to use deadly force, the investigations will likely focus on whether the officer's actions were proper under the circumstances. Either way, Gilbert Thomas Collar's surviving relatives are likely considering a wrongful death lawsuit over the college freshman's killing.
- See more at: http://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2012/10/are-campus-police-the-same-as-real-police.html#sthash.BVUWltvh.dpuf
Binky The Doormat
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WTF happened to Presbyterians being easy going?
CowboysFromHell
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In before the Satanists get their militia too. 
NorvilleBarnes
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Ditkaless Wonders
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I would like them to be called the Brute Squad.BowieMercs said:
Also, this seems to entangle Church and State .
Ditkaless Wonders
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Again, I am going with "not so much", finding this entanglement of church and state not to my liking.SacramentoBob said:
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