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Alaska hunter bags world record grizzly bear (1 Viewer)

Butcher, I bet if you follow these links you can find the instagram / flickr account and chastise some of these people for smiling next to their kill as well. How dare they be proud

https://www.google.com/search?q=first+deer&es_sm=122&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=jBttU-H9Cu7esATLmoGYCg&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1680&bih=925

I don't know about you but I would like to see a bit more remorse from this fella as well link
Saying "I don't get it" is not the same thing as chastising. I would only "chastise" if the animal in question was endangered or if it were an illegal kill. I do understand that this isn't the case here. You're blowing my opinions of this way out of proportion.

ETA: Also, showing pictures of young children posing next to what they've hunted does not help the argument that it takes some great, exceptional skill to kill an animal.

 
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Butcher, I bet if you follow these links you can find the instagram / flickr account and chastise some of these people for smiling next to their kill as well. How dare they be proud

https://www.google.com/search?q=first+deer&es_sm=122&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=jBttU-H9Cu7esATLmoGYCg&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1680&bih=925

I don't know about you but I would like to see a bit more remorse from this fella as well link
Saying "I don't get it" is not the same thing as chastising. I would only "chastise" if the animal in question was endangered or if it were an illegal kill. I do understand that this isn't the case here. You're blowing my opinions of this way out of proportion.
you really don't get why the people in the link are smiling?

Have you ever worked really hard at something? How did it feel to finally accomplish it? Does it make you proud to accomplish a goal?

 
oh there are lots of good things about hunting like the comaradarie of the camp and the fact that it gets you outside and away from the bube tube and the fact that it makes you learn the rules about safely handling a firearm and the respect that they deserve and that really you do not need the fully auto stuff to do the job and the respect that you trulely gain for all creatures when you take the life of prey but hey i also say i know it is not for some people and that some people will say it is horrible but frankly i have been to veal mills and see how we raise calves in pens that are about a foot bigger than them just to kill them well for my dollar if i am going to eat meat it is going to be some meat that i took the effort and time and skill to get versus plopping some money down at a cash register but like i said it is a choice and i made mine and the iron sheek dances in a hula skirt and it is not pretty but he will never even read that so bam another great prank by the old swcer take that to the bank brohans
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Well played.

:lmao:

No offense to SWC. I'm sure he's making some great points. It just hurts my brain to try and read his posts. :shrug:

 
Butcher, I bet if you follow these links you can find the instagram / flickr account and chastise some of these people for smiling next to their kill as well. How dare they be proud

https://www.google.com/search?q=first+deer&es_sm=122&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=jBttU-H9Cu7esATLmoGYCg&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1680&bih=925

I don't know about you but I would like to see a bit more remorse from this fella as well link
Saying "I don't get it" is not the same thing as chastising. I would only "chastise" if the animal in question was endangered or if it were an illegal kill. I do understand that this isn't the case here. You're blowing my opinions of this way out of proportion.

ETA: Also, showing pictures of young children posing next to what they've hunted does not help the argument that it takes some great, exceptional skill to kill an animal.
Nobody said that. We are saying it takes some exceptional skill to kill the caliber of bear in the OP.

 
I'm pro-hunting, but some things are getting blown out of proportion here. Probably fewer than %25 of hunters prepare and work hard at it. That group can be very successful, but the others can also be very lucky.

 
Butcher, I bet if you follow these links you can find the instagram / flickr account and chastise some of these people for smiling next to their kill as well. How dare they be proud

https://www.google.com/search?q=first+deer&es_sm=122&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=jBttU-H9Cu7esATLmoGYCg&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1680&bih=925

I don't know about you but I would like to see a bit more remorse from this fella as well link
Saying "I don't get it" is not the same thing as chastising. I would only "chastise" if the animal in question was endangered or if it were an illegal kill. I do understand that this isn't the case here. You're blowing my opinions of this way out of proportion.

ETA: Also, showing pictures of young children posing next to what they've hunted does not help the argument that it takes some great, exceptional skill to kill an animal.
Nobody said that. We are saying it takes some exceptional skill to kill the caliber of bear in the OP.
Serious question. What makes a bigger bear take more skill. Is it faster? Seems like a bigger target which would make it easier but would like to know why this is wrong.

I definitely see the accomplishment in finding/tracking/following the animal as rare as this. It's the killing part that I have a hard time seeing the accomplishment in and that seems to be the major focus.

 
Butcher, I bet if you follow these links you can find the instagram / flickr account and chastise some of these people for smiling next to their kill as well. How dare they be proud

https://www.google.com/search?q=first+deer&es_sm=122&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=jBttU-H9Cu7esATLmoGYCg&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1680&bih=925

I don't know about you but I would like to see a bit more remorse from this fella as well link
Saying "I don't get it" is not the same thing as chastising. I would only "chastise" if the animal in question was endangered or if it were an illegal kill. I do understand that this isn't the case here. You're blowing my opinions of this way out of proportion.

ETA: Also, showing pictures of young children posing next to what they've hunted does not help the argument that it takes some great, exceptional skill to kill an animal.
Nobody said that. We are saying it takes some exceptional skill to kill the caliber of bear in the OP.
Serious question. What makes a bigger bear take more skill. Is it faster? Seems like a bigger target which would make it easier but would like to know why this is wrong.

I definitely see the accomplishment in finding/tracking/following the animal as rare as this. It's the killing part that I have a hard time seeing the accomplishment in and that seems to be the major focus.
I already tried to explain it in my first response. I can't speak for the guy in the OP, but most guys are eating what they're killing. Aside from coyote hunters, which I don't agree with, guys aren't just shooting the animals, taking pics, and leaving the animal to rot.

 
Probably fewer than %25 of hunters prepare and work hard at it.
Any basis to support this?

100% of hunters I know (about 10 people) prepare extensively.
Then you know very few "hunters". Look at how many people climb into a tree stand on opening day of deer seasons around the country. Hopefully most of them at least went out to the range to sight in their rifle before the season started. Some don't even do that. This will be the only time a majority of them hunt during the year. Pheasant hunters are the same way.

ETA: There is a difference between "hunters" and people that hunt.

 
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Probably fewer than %25 of hunters prepare and work hard at it.
Any basis to support this?

100% of hunters I know (about 10 people) prepare extensively.
Then you know very few "hunters". Look at how many people climb into a tree stand on opening day of deer seasons around the country. Hopefully most of them at least went out to the range to sight in their rifle before the season started. Some don't even do that. This will be the only time a majority of them hunt during the year. Pheasant hunters are the same way.
Sounds like we roll with different crowds...

 
Probably fewer than %25 of hunters prepare and work hard at it.
Any basis to support this?

100% of hunters I know (about 10 people) prepare extensively.
25% probably isn't too far off in my experience. I'd say its:

10% - total slobs that grab a gun and walk into the woods on opening day and never go back.

50% - seasoned hunters, but only scout 2-3 weeks before the season

20% - seasoned hunter that scout months in advance

17% - diehards that live/breath hunting

3% - paid professionals (hunting has become another big marketing business - it's gross)

Sure there are guys that will get lucky and harvest a record book quality animal, but that's more rare than the norm.

 
Probably fewer than %25 of hunters prepare and work hard at it.
Any basis to support this?

100% of hunters I know (about 10 people) prepare extensively.
Then you know very few "hunters". Look at how many people climb into a tree stand on opening day of deer seasons around the country. Hopefully most of them at least went out to the range to sight in their rifle before the season started. Some don't even do that. This will be the only time a majority of them hunt during the year. Pheasant hunters are the same way.
Sounds like we roll with different crowds...
Oh no, if your guys prepare well they are to be commended. I live in a rural community and could probably name off the top of my head 200+ people that hunt. No way are %25 of those what I would call "hunters"

 
Probably fewer than %25 of hunters prepare and work hard at it.
Any basis to support this?

100% of hunters I know (about 10 people) prepare extensively.
Then you know very few "hunters". Look at how many people climb into a tree stand on opening day of deer seasons around the country. Hopefully most of them at least went out to the range to sight in their rifle before the season started. Some don't even do that. This will be the only time a majority of them hunt during the year. Pheasant hunters are the same way.
Sounds like we roll with different crowds...
Oh no, if your guys prepare well they are to be commended. I live in a rural community and could probably name off the top of my head 200+ people that hunt. No way are %25 of those what I would call "hunters"
Ugh. Those are the guys that gives people like Otis the ammo to look down their noses at hunting.

 
Probably fewer than %25 of hunters prepare and work hard at it.
Any basis to support this?

100% of hunters I know (about 10 people) prepare extensively.
25% probably isn't too far off in my experience. I'd say its:

10% - total slobs that grab a gun and walk into the woods on opening day and never go back.

50% - seasoned hunters, but only scout 2-3 weeks before the season

20% - seasoned hunter that scout months in advance

17% - diehards that live/breath hunting

3% - paid professionals (hunting has become another big marketing business - it's gross)

Sure there are guys that will get lucky and harvest a record book quality animal, but that's more rare than the norm.
A little luck has a lot to do with any harvested record. Just like a hole-in-one in golf. If you are a good golfer, it increases your odds, but there is still some luck involved.

The guy that shot the bear was moose hunting.

 
Probably fewer than %25 of hunters prepare and work hard at it.
Any basis to support this?

100% of hunters I know (about 10 people) prepare extensively.
25% probably isn't too far off in my experience. I'd say its:

10% - total slobs that grab a gun and walk into the woods on opening day and never go back.

50% - seasoned hunters, but only scout 2-3 weeks before the season

20% - seasoned hunter that scout months in advance

17% - diehards that live/breath hunting

3% - paid professionals (hunting has become another big marketing business - it's gross)

Sure there are guys that will get lucky and harvest a record book quality animal, but that's more rare than the norm.
A little luck has a lot to do with any harvested record. Just like a hole-in-one in golf. If you are a good golfer, it increases your odds, but there is still some luck involved.

The guy that shot the bear was moose hunting.
Yup, no doubt.

I have the #14 largest deer in the state and it was largely luck that put him in front of me that morning. Sure I helped my odds by knowing how to hunt the conditions and the land, but it was still very lucky.

 
Probably fewer than %25 of hunters prepare and work hard at it.
Any basis to support this?

100% of hunters I know (about 10 people) prepare extensively.
Then you know very few "hunters". Look at how many people climb into a tree stand on opening day of deer seasons around the country. Hopefully most of them at least went out to the range to sight in their rifle before the season started. Some don't even do that. This will be the only time a majority of them hunt during the year. Pheasant hunters are the same way.
Sounds like we roll with different crowds...
Oh no, if your guys prepare well they are to be commended. I live in a rural community and could probably name off the top of my head 200+ people that hunt. No way are %25 of those what I would call "hunters"
Ugh. Those are the guys that gives people like Otis the ammo to look down their noses at hunting.
That's true. I don't mind as long as they are responsible, know how to shoot and what they are shooting at. We have so many deer in my area, you can shoot pretty much as many does as you want.

 
Probably fewer than %25 of hunters prepare and work hard at it.
Any basis to support this?

100% of hunters I know (about 10 people) prepare extensively.
Then you know very few "hunters". Look at how many people climb into a tree stand on opening day of deer seasons around the country. Hopefully most of them at least went out to the range to sight in their rifle before the season started. Some don't even do that. This will be the only time a majority of them hunt during the year. Pheasant hunters are the same way.
Sounds like we roll with different crowds...
Oh no, if your guys prepare well they are to be commended. I live in a rural community and could probably name off the top of my head 200+ people that hunt. No way are %25 of those what I would call "hunters"
I think we live in the same part of the country. The guys in our group fall somewhere in the middle. We hunt approx 2 hours north of Omaha, so scouting weeks in advance isn't something that can be done. We do clear some vegetation/trees.

But, I know some of the locals that live in the area, they drive by their hunting area every day, but don't do any scouting.

 
In my state, Missouri, there were 252,574 deer harvested (thats killed during a hunt for you lilly livered city boys) during 2013-14.

<Spitoo plink>

 
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Probably fewer than %25 of hunters prepare and work hard at it.
Any basis to support this?100% of hunters I know (about 10 people) prepare extensively.
25% probably isn't too far off in my experience. I'd say its:10% - total slobs that grab a gun and walk into the woods on opening day and never go back.

50% - seasoned hunters, but only scout 2-3 weeks before the season

20% - seasoned hunter that scout months in advance

17% - diehards that live/breath hunting

3% - paid professionals (hunting has become another big marketing business - it's gross)

Sure there are guys that will get lucky and harvest a record book quality animal, but that's more rare than the norm.
Not a bad ratio. I love it but my schedule puts me in somewhere between the 50% and 20% groups. Due to deer volume, most non hunters here that I know see the value in it and so does my freezer!
 
Let me frame it another way. Why is it seemingly a greater accomplishment to have bagged a bear this large over any other kill? Why take such a prideful photo over it like this kill was some great battle against nature? Isn't it a bigger target than usual, hence easier to hit? That's really the part I don't get. It's being presented like it was an epic battle, but as you even admit, humans are more intelligent and have such an advantage, how can it be considered as such?
You must get really worked up when people take pictures of catching a large fish as well. What a bunch of a-holes, taking photos
Yea, and what about that #### that flipped the largest pancake... What a d-bag he was....

 
Butcher, I bet if you follow these links you can find the instagram / flickr account and chastise some of these people for smiling next to their kill as well. How dare they be proud

https://www.google.com/search?q=first+deer&es_sm=122&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=jBttU-H9Cu7esATLmoGYCg&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1680&bih=925

I don't know about you but I would like to see a bit more remorse from this fella as well link
Saying "I don't get it" is not the same thing as chastising. I would only "chastise" if the animal in question was endangered or if it were an illegal kill. I do understand that this isn't the case here. You're blowing my opinions of this way out of proportion.

ETA: Also, showing pictures of young children posing next to what they've hunted does not help the argument that it takes some great, exceptional skill to kill an animal.
Nobody said that. We are saying it takes some exceptional skill to kill the caliber of bear in the OP.
Serious question. What makes a bigger bear take more skill. Is it faster? Seems like a bigger target which would make it easier but would like to know why this is wrong.

I definitely see the accomplishment in finding/tracking/following the animal as rare as this. It's the killing part that I have a hard time seeing the accomplishment in and that seems to be the major focus.
Typically, the bigger animal, is older, wiser..

 
Probably fewer than %25 of hunters prepare and work hard at it.
Any basis to support this?100% of hunters I know (about 10 people) prepare extensively.
25% probably isn't too far off in my experience. I'd say its:10% - total slobs that grab a gun and walk into the woods on opening day and never go back.

50% - seasoned hunters, but only scout 2-3 weeks before the season

20% - seasoned hunter that scout months in advance

17% - diehards that live/breath hunting

3% - paid professionals (hunting has become another big marketing business - it's gross)

Sure there are guys that will get lucky and harvest a record book quality animal, but that's more rare than the norm.
Not a bad ratio. I love it but my schedule puts me in somewhere between the 50% and 20% groups. Due to deer volume, most non hunters here that I know see the value in it and so does my freezer!
I think Ned's ratios are pretty close, but I think both him and WDIK's 25% is way off. "Work hard at it" is a vague term though because I don't understand what either of them would disqualify in deeming someone to be a hard worker. I would consider myself in the seasoned hunter categories too, but considering I hunt my own, small tract of land, I plant fields, clear trails and shooting lanes, and check cameras almost year round. There's not much spot and stalk available here, and the animals use their normal funnels, so there's not much scouting involved. I'd say I put in plenty of work not to be considered outside of the "work hard at it" grouping.

Now, I do have one friend who shows up, is mainly there for the meat, but basically there for the kill. I would say his perfect hunting scenario would be to show up at a tree stand, drop a deer, and check to make sure the animal in the field is dead, only to see it again when he went to the processor to pick up the meat. He helps me plant in the fall, so he's not totally useless, but I would never say he works hard at it. Just pointing out what I said above doesn't qualify or disqualify someone as a hard worker, just as someone's arbitrary percentages cannot.

 
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Probably fewer than %25 of hunters prepare and work hard at it.
Any basis to support this?100% of hunters I know (about 10 people) prepare extensively.
25% probably isn't too far off in my experience. I'd say its:10% - total slobs that grab a gun and walk into the woods on opening day and never go back.

50% - seasoned hunters, but only scout 2-3 weeks before the season

20% - seasoned hunter that scout months in advance

17% - diehards that live/breath hunting

3% - paid professionals (hunting has become another big marketing business - it's gross)

Sure there are guys that will get lucky and harvest a record book quality animal, but that's more rare than the norm.
Not a bad ratio. I love it but my schedule puts me in somewhere between the 50% and 20% groups. Due to deer volume, most non hunters here that I know see the value in it and so does my freezer!
I think Ned's ratios are pretty close, but I think both him and WDIK's 25% is way off. "Work hard at it" is a vague term though because I don't understand what either of them would disqualify in deeming someone to be a hard worker. I would consider myself in the seasoned hunter categories too, but considering I hunt my own, small tract of land, I plant fields, clear trails and shooting lanes, and check cameras almost year round. There's not much spot and stalk available here, and the animals use their normal funnels, so there's not much scouting involved. I'd say I put in plenty of work not to be considered outside of the "work hard at it" grouping.Now, I do have one friend who shows up, is mainly there for the meat, but basically there for the kill. I would say his perfect hunting scenario would be to show up at a tree stand, drop a deer, and check to make sure the animal in the field is dead, only to see it again when he went to the processor to pick up the meat. He helps me plant in the fall, so he's not totally useless, but I would never say he works hard at it. Just pointing out what I said above doesn't qualify or disqualify someone as a hard worker, just as someone's arbitrary percentages cannot.
:thumbup: Sooooo jealous you have your own land. I hunt mostly public land. I do have a small private spot, but not allowed to do anything to the land (airport property). Neighbors trespass like they own the place and the owners couldn't care less. :thumbdown:

 

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