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99 - Gary kept the job all season after Davis got hurt00 - Anderson kept the job all season after Gary tore his ACL04 - Droughns kept the job all season after Griffin sucked05 - Anderson kept the job all season from week 1
Finally, some sanity in this thread.
What were Gary, Anderson and Droughns?
No one is projecting anything... in fact there is an overwhelming amount of people arguing against his already low value being lower...Anyway, Morris was just on ESPN radio for a small interview, he seemed confident and was looking forward to playing.
I'd take the latter two over Morris in a walk. Gary might be a good comparison, but that's not much of a compliment.
I respect what you're saying and I've said all along that Helu is far more talented and Royster probably is too. However, Shanahan doesn't care about talent.
He does care about results though. Griffin isn't going to average a jillion yards per attempt every game. There will be times this season when Washington will have to rely on the running game to win. I have no confidence that Morris will be able to deliver. And as we all know, Shanny is quick to move to the next man in line. I'll be genuinely surprised if Morris is still starting by midseason.
Just looking for ideas, more of a hive mind collective. Wanna know when to hold and sell. So far my opinion that his implied value is much higher than his perceived value. His performance against STL will change that significantly, the people that were already skeptical because hes a washington RB will have the same opinion regardless, but that still accounts for a lot of people.The beautify of this thread is that Morris' value will be debated regardless if he plays up until week 17, in which case the debate would go on into the post-season.
Just like ADP couldn't come back so quick from his knee injury?Everyone around here knows everything I guess.
Number of carries in a single game is a far, far more predictive variable than yards per carry in a single game.
Those of us who saw this coming already got him in auctions for almost nothing, instead of having to blow big WW bucks on him this week.
so he will get somewhere between 200 and 1500 yards? i agreeanderson was a fullback by trade. if alfred holds onto the job for the entire year, i don't think he will be at risk to loose his job the following year.
ThisIn a dyno I spent good money on him. He is a rookie who busted off impressive numbers, waiver wires are always thin and other players could be busts just as well.Normally the ones yellin about how much they will be a bust are the same who missed out on him with bids.
the question is not weather or not he can produce or not. we know which ever RB is in, will put up rb2+ numbers. the question is weather or not he can hold onto his job. so far, i think it looks like he can.the more time that passes where he remains the starter, the more confident everyone will be that he will hold onto his job. with each week, his value will climb. the risk is holding him too long until/if alfred looses his job, in which case his value will drop to zero.
I may have missed one or two, but this is the condensed version:
i drafted both Morris and Royster late in my draft, which was after the 4th preseason game. Based on the preseason, I was convinced that they were not looking at Helu as the starter. So if either Royster or Morris could nail down the starting job, I would have the Redskins' starting RB. Unlike what others think, i believe Shanahan wants to have a workhorse RB and he has had trouble finding him. I now think Morris is that RB.
The most telling stat: Morris 28 carries, Royster 2, Helu 2, Young 2.Usually Shanahan transitions slowly to rookies. But not in this case. He sees something in Morris and has given him the starters job.
Alsm the fact that he is a young back that performed in his first game. In dynasty this guy is gold.
I was making the same argument last year when I was high on Hightower. I'm not saying Morris will lose the job but I think Shanahan is much more likely to pull the plug on a back than he used to be. If Morris doesn't fumble then I see no reason why he will not keep the job. If he fumbles, I would not be surprised if Helu goes in and takes the job. He might literally be one fumble away from irrelevance.
The guy won't make it to the end of the season as starter.He won't be on any fantasy dynasty roster by next.
I disagree with your assertion that he was ineffective. You're cherry picking a small YPC sample. I can and did do the same above where I came up with a 5.1 YPC for him though the majority of this game. Either way, 100 and 2 TDs can't be called "ineffective."Fast Willie had speed going for him, but I bet a lot of people thought of Foster and Holmes as average talents coming into the league. Alf runs with power and determination and based on what seems like a high BMI, he's guaranteed to be durable, right?!?
Sure it can. 96 yards on 28 carries is not a good performance. Everyone on these forums seems to think Shonn Greene is crap. Well...Greene had 94 yards on 27 carries this week. Fact is, Morris put up numbers that would make Cedric Benson, Shonn Greene, or even William Green blush. The reason people are overlooking this is because FF players tend to judge performance by FF points, and not by how effective the player actually was with his opportunities. 3.4 YPC is a bad game. The fact that he happened to score 2 TDs doesn't change that. People say FF is opportunity + talent. But when you just have opportunity, you don't have much.'LawFitz said:
He has more talent according to Shanahan, remember when he made him the starter?
That's not why he named Morris the starter. I think even Shanny knows he's not the most talented RB in his stable. This thread literally runs in circles.
I love people that think this way... Its clearly wrong but it is entertaining and helps those of us with an open mind win fantasy games.Why is he average? Because he was a sixth round pick????There are very few runningbacks in the NFL that are special, Shanahan is right about runningbacks, for the most part they are pretty interchangable.. There are hundreds of runningbacks that come out of college every year that can find a hole and hit it hard when it is there, there are a handful of backs that can make something out of nothing... Those few are very rare. He is a strong back that hits the hole decisively and finishes runs, something Shanahan loves in a back. Most importantly the opportunity is there and barring injury he is going to do pretty well... Keep telling yourself he is average, most backs are, but the opportunity is above average.
bolded is not always true.
So is this just hindsight? Or is this just the residual opinions from when literally every back not named morris was touted as the starter before they werent.
It's what I've been saying since the third preseason game vs. CHI. Looks like I just hopped right back on the train going in circles.
Also, the two QBs he had during that time are the only QBs since Elway retired to have a winning record under Shanahan. Might be time to return to some consistency in the running game.
The last time a rookie RB put up numbers like Morris in week 1, he had 2 TDs 100 yds with a 3.1 YPC. I will concede that a "talent" comparison between Morris and Tomlinson is absurd, but if you're basing your evaluation of talent largely on YPC, then you should accept cases that defy your reasoning as well.
Looking at YPC only tells so much, especially in that people haven't watched the game. His last 8 carries went for 8 yards, when the Saints had 8 in the box knowing that the Skins wouldnt pass as they were in a run down the clock mode. I wouldn't hold this against Morris as a stick to beat him with. Royster comes on for those 8 time-waste carries and 20-88 with 2 scores for Morris looks fine to me...
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