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trader jake said:
Add another one to the list (to play with Iceman Gervin).

8.08 Bobby Jones – PF 1970s

“The Secretary of Defense” …if you want defense, Bobby Jones is the man to have.  This Hall of Fame player started his career in the ABA and his team posted the best record in the league with him on board and he followed that up by making the All-ABA team in his second year.  Jones then moved to the NBA and dominated offensive players for over a decade.  In his career he took home All-Defensive honors 11 times and was a vital cog in the 1983 76ers championship team.

Off the court he’s considered to be one of the most virtuous players of all-time and his leadership skills were noted in every piece I read.   I found the following intriguing, “Jones's coaches would marvel that he was so good at things they had trouble getting many other players to do at all, such as blocking shots, moving without the ball, hustling back on defense, tipping passes, diving after loose balls, and giving up an open outside shot so a teammate could hit from inside—all things that rarely, if ever, show up in a box score. Jones was as unselfish as a player could be, so much so that coaches had to implore him to take more shots.”

The mid/late 70’s and early 80s were not a hot bed of 3pt shooting, but Jones hit 78% of his free throws as an NBA player.  This leads me to believe he would have been a respected 3pt shooter had he played a decade (or more) later.  Instead he finished his career as the all-time FG% leader in ABA history and top 20 in the history of basketball.  On and off the court he’s the perfect player to add to any roster in any era.  #24
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there were actually no holes in his offensive game, really - just had no taste for usage. his stroke was clean, if a little slow. woulda been a great stretch4 in today's game. uncanny sense for being where opponents didnt want him to be

 
Doug B said:
7.12: C Walt Bellamy, 1960s

I need to crack the seal on the 1960s players and I feel like the best way to start out is with a big body that can hold down the middle. Bellamy bust onto the scene like a house of fire in 1961, scoring 31.6 ppg and pulling down 19 boards per game as a rookie. Bellamy stayed in the league into his mid-30s as a rebounding and defensive specialist, dropping his scoring average down into the teens while yielding shots to volume-scoring teammates like [redacted] and Pete Maravich.

@higgins
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this is a huge steal here.

 
Gotta fight the urge to take another modern PG when I don't need one...

8.10 - Shawn Marion, SF, 2000

A freak athlete, that could defend 1-4, block 2 shots, get 2 steals, 20 points, 10 rebounds per game with really good percentages. I remember his first radio interview with Jim Rome his rookie year, oof that was painful to listen too. He got much more comfortable talking to the media over the years and was blessed with "the Matrix" nickname.

 
8.12 Jack Sikma 80s C

7x All Star 1x NBA Champ 1x All Defense, HOF

The prototype for the modern center, he used quick feet and unblockable shot delivery to revolutionize the center position. Shot 33% from 3 in an era where 6’11” players weren’t supposed to be jump shooters. His stroke was so good he even led the league in FT% one season (92%). He was a skilled passer, his patented inside reverse pivot seemed to create shooting space at will and he carved a path for a new type of big man. 

 
trader jake said:
Add another one to the list (to play with Iceman Gervin).

8.08 Bobby Jones – PF 1970s

“The Secretary of Defense” …if you want defense, Bobby Jones is the man to have.  This Hall of Fame player started his career in the ABA and his team posted the best record in the league with him on board and he followed that up by making the All-ABA team in his second year.  Jones then moved to the NBA and dominated offensive players for over a decade.  In his career he took home All-Defensive honors 11 times and was a vital cog in the 1983 76ers championship team.

Off the court he’s considered to be one of the most virtuous players of all-time and his leadership skills were noted in every piece I read.   I found the following intriguing, “Jones's coaches would marvel that he was so good at things they had trouble getting many other players to do at all, such as blocking shots, moving without the ball, hustling back on defense, tipping passes, diving after loose balls, and giving up an open outside shot so a teammate could hit from inside—all things that rarely, if ever, show up in a box score. Jones was as unselfish as a player could be, so much so that coaches had to implore him to take more shots.”

The mid/late 70’s and early 80s were not a hot bed of 3pt shooting, but Jones hit 78% of his free throws as an NBA player.  This leads me to believe he would have been a respected 3pt shooter had he played a decade (or more) later.  Instead he finished his career as the all-time FG% leader in ABA history and top 20 in the history of basketball.  On and off the court he’s the perfect player to add to any roster in any era.  #24
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Ouch, nice pick.  I wanted him instead of bosh but the experts talked me out of it. I hate this part of the draft where my list of 5 guys disappear in 6-7 picks before I go. 
 

 
Ilov80s said:
8.12 Jack Sikma 80s C

7x All Star 1x NBA Champ 1x All Defense, HOF

The prototype for the modern center, he used quick feet and unblockable shot delivery to revolutionize the center position. Shot 33% from 3 in an era where 6’11” players weren’t supposed to be jump shooters. His stroke was so good he even led the league in FT% one season (92%). He was a skilled passer, his patented inside reverse pivot seemed to create shooting space at will and he carved a path for a new type of big man. 
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Debated Sikma when I ultimately took Issel.

 
Frostillicus said:
PF Shawn Kemp. Write up tamirrow
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unbelievable. First 3 on my list were Jones, Kemp, and then Shawn Marion. I need to stop following the draft as a turn drafter because i get all pumped up when i get 7-8 picks out thinking i can land 2 guys on my list who weren't picked in the first 24, then poof. 

I'll give you 2000's, and i take 90's Kemp?

 
Jayrod said:
8.13 - Spencer Haywood - PF 70s
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So, I was on my phone and fresh out of the shower, didn't get to do a write up on my pick, so here it is.  This is my favorite pick of mine so far, so here is his story (because I didn't know it until I was reading up on him yesterday):

Haywood's career was often marred by controversy.  He chose to challenge the NBA in court (all the way to the Supreme Court) regarding their rules disallowing underclassmen to sign contracts.  His father died on the job when his mom was pregnant and he grew up picking cotton with her.  He was suspended for drug use 3 games before winning an NBA championship and never recovered, only playing 1.5 more seasons before being waived and retiring.  As a result, he slid farther in this draft than his talent should have allowed and I have a guy, who at his peak, was one of the most dominant forces the league had seen.

His notoriety first began in the 1968 when he led the USA to a gold medal in the Olympics at age 19, setting scoring and rebounding records that stood for decades.  After a season at the University of Detroit, since the NBA wouldn't let him in, he went to the ABA as a 20 year old.  In his rookie year in the ABA, he won ROY, league MVP, All-star MVP and led the league in scoring and rebounding with 30.0 pts and 19.5 rbs per game.

After that season, he signed a contract with the Seattle Supersonics that ended up in court for the vast majority of the season.  He was held out of many games as court injunctions were instituted by the NBA's lawsuits and he would then have to counter and the battle climbed all the way to the Supreme Court where they ruled 8-1 in his favor.  By then he had lost weight due to the stress and was not as dominant as he should have been (still averaged 20.6/12.0) and only appeared in 33 games.

Starting the next season, he would be an all-star and all-NBA player for 4 straight seasons averaging 25.4/12.1 over that span.  For 5 seasons in the 1970's, Haywood was easily one of the top 10 players in the world.

Then in 1975, he was traded to the Knicks where he met and married supermodel Iman.  At some point there he discovered cocaine and his play deteriorated every year after that as he spiraled into other drugs.  He finally was traded to the Lakers in 1979 where he was part of the championship team playing only 13 minutes/game and ended up being suspended for the last 3 games of the NBA Finals by his head coach for passing out after practice and fighting with teammates. (He actually planned a hit on coach Westphal immediately after being suspended, but his mom stopped him)

Except for drugs, this guy should have been a 1st/2nd rounder.  I'll take those 5 glorious seasons in 6 years as my backup big on the pantheon team.

Haywood was finally inducted into the Hall of Fame in 2015 thanks to vocal support from many of the NBA's top players.

 
modogg said:
I need to stop following the draft as a turn drafter because i get all pumped up when i get 7-8 picks out thinking i can land 2 guys on my list who weren't picked in the first 24, then poof.
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Big reason I don't worry about "short lists". Just re-take the lay of the land when I'm on the clock.

In the back third of the draft ... it might make some more sense to think in terms of short lists. You might be five picks away, and you need a 2010s PG, and you see all five teams ahead of you have already filled that position. But we ain't there yet.

 
8.14 Ben Simmons C 10s

Puttin' my $ where my mouth is on my last Pantheon pick. On record in the NBA thread saying there aint 5 current players i would rather build a franchise around, so here it is. Every position on the floor, will be the greatest zone defender of all time (best defensive vision i've seen) and the only point guard (although point-center is his best position) taller than Magic. nufced

 
wikkidpissah said:
8.14 Ben Simmons C 10s

Puttin' my $ where my mouth is on my last Pantheon pick. On record in the NBA thread saying there aint 5 current players i would rather build a franchise around, so here it is. Every position on the floor, will be the greatest zone defender of all time (best defensive vision i've seen) and the only point guard (although point-center is his best position) taller than Magic. nufced
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Well, that settles it.  Just like the value of something is whatever someone is willing to pay for it, the quality of a player is based on whatever someone is willing to draft them at in an all-time draft.

Therefore, Ben Simmons is already the 126th best player in history and in the top 25 for the last decade.

 
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wikkidpissah said:
8.14 Ben Simmons C 10s

Puttin' my $ where my mouth is on my last Pantheon pick. On record in the NBA thread saying there aint 5 current players i would rather build a franchise around, so here it is. Every position on the floor, will be the greatest zone defender of all time (best defensive vision i've seen) and the only point guard (although point-center is his best position) taller than Magic. nufced
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:sadbanana: good pick to get him there, i was intending to get him the whole time but with the wads of Ben Simmons hate in the NBA thread i thought i could lock him in around 17-18 round

 
8.16 ALvin Robertson, SG 80s

My 80s roster looks bleak, so let me grab a defensive stalwart to guard a bunch of the small guys in the 80s round:

Robertson was a three-time All-Star with San Antonio and won the Defensive Player of the Year and Most Improved Player awards in 1985-86. He was also an All-NBA player that season and made the first of four All-Defensive teams in the decade that year.

 
modogg said:
:sadbanana: good pick to get him there, i was intending to get him the whole time but with the wads of Ben Simmons hate in the NBA thread i thought i could lock him in around 17-18 round
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I didn't realize it until I went to cross him off of my drafting spreadsheet, but he wasn't even on there.

I selected my full list (600ish players) based on winshares in the different eras.  I guess he hadn't played long enough to make the cut in the 2010's.

I wouldn't have looked for him either with Dame already on my team (unless I was searching for a SF/PF alternative towards the end).

 
modogg said:
8.16 ALvin Robertson, SG 80s

My 80s roster looks bleak, so let me grab a defensive stalwart to guard a bunch of the small guys in the 80s round:

Robertson was a three-time All-Star with San Antonio and won the Defensive Player of the Year and Most Improved Player awards in 1985-86. He was also an All-NBA player that season and made the first of four All-Defensive teams in the decade that year.
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:lmao:   Another PG/SG?!?!

That is now 5 of your first 8 picks at the 1/2 (I guess you can slide MJ to the 3, but he's literally the greatest 2-guard of all time).

 
need to start taking guys i actually want on my team  

9.1 'Sheed Wallace - i could of swore he played more in the 90's, but looks like he is my guy for the 00's. Simon Gratz High, born and raised in Philly. Enough said. Can give me 3s, and has some nice stats when look more into it with the advanced one's now out. 

 
Jayrod said:
:lmao:   Another PG/SG?!?!

That is now 5 of your first 8 picks at the 1/2 (I guess you can slide MJ to the 3, but he's literally the greatest 2-guard of all time).
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yeah, looking i did go to heavy on guards for a little. but my 80s roster was blank....

When you have Joel Embiid on your team you really don't have to worry about big men. He has the paint covered, i know 4 perimeter guys

 
Arghh, i totally skipped over the guy i wanted to take. Anyway i can switch out Alvin Robertson for the guy i actually wanted??????

@Yo Mama @Jayrod

he is still on the board, so i can switch him in and thrown Alvin back?

 
modogg said:
Arghh, i totally skipped over the guy i wanted to take. Anyway i can switch out Alvin Robertson for the guy i actually wanted??????

@Yo Mama @Jayrod

he is still on the board, so i can switch him in and thrown Alvin back?
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Since this is all in good fun, I'm OK with it, but I'd prefer the commish (Yo Mama) make the call.

 
Jayrod said:
Since this is all in good fun, I'm OK with it, but I'd prefer the commish (Yo Mama) make the call.
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ok. i;m heading into a meeting. If ok, I'll take Grandmama Larry Johnson for my 90s roster. If i can have him great, if not i am sure he won't make it back to me

 
Frostillicus said:
PF Shawn Kemp. Write up tamirrow
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This is the really fun part of the draft, where there are fewer "no brainer" types and you can really have fun with guys who you loved. That's Kemp for me. Without question the hardest dunker I ever saw in person (except Shaq of course), I was lucky enough to attend a Wolves/Sonics game with seats in the 2nd row under the basket. Holy crap was he something in person.  Can't help but wonder what the rest of his career arc would have looked like without the strike, where he fell in love with food and drugs. Based on his previous mating habits, you know the man had no self control. 

Accomplishments:

  • Carrer averages of 14.6ppg and 8.4 rpg, but with a 8-year peak of 18.3ppg and 10.4rpg
  • Failed to score the minimum 700 on the SAT and was ineligible to play at Kentucky
  • Kicked out at Kentucky after stealing and pawning a teammates gold chains
  • Enrolled at Trinity Valley Community College. One semester.
  • Drafted 17th overall by Seattle
  • 6x All-Star, 3x All-NBA
  • Led the league in fouls committed 3 times
  • Showed up after the lockout at 315 lbs. Still averaged 20.5ppg and 9.2rpg with Cleveland.
  • Cut by the Blazers in 2002 and entered rehab for cocaine
  • in 2006 attempted a comeback with Dallas and had a workout scheduled. Failed to show up.
  • Offered a workout by Chicago later in 2006. Failed to show up.
  • Signed with a team in Italy in 2008, played in 3 preseason games, then quit.
  • Opened a cannabis dispensary in Seattle
LEGEND

 
modogg said:
need to start taking guys i actually want on my team  

9.1 'Sheed Wallace - i could of swore he played more in the 90's, but looks like he is my guy for the 00's. Simon Gratz High, born and raised in Philly. Enough said. Can give me 3s, and has some nice stats when look more into it with the advanced one's now out. 
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modogg's squad will definitely lead the drafted teams in one statistical category... technicals. 

Oh, and, "BALL DON'T LIE!!!!"  Love that.

 
modogg said:
ok. i;m heading into a meeting. If ok, I'll take Grandmama Larry Johnson for my 90s roster. If i can have him great, if not i am sure he won't make it back to me
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Yeah that’s fine. 
 

Alvin Robertson is now free to be taken, everyone. 

 
trader jake said:
modogg's squad will definitely lead the drafted teams in one statistical category... technicals. 

Oh, and, "BALL DON'T LIE!!!!"  Love that.
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yeah my team may be changing up their game strategy. Get me some XXXXXX and maybe YYYYYYYY and we will be ready to be the Broad Street Bullies of the NBA Greatest of All Time teams

 
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Frostillicus said:
This is the really fun part of the draft, where there are fewer "no brainer" types and you can really have fun with guys who you loved. That's Kemp for me. Without question the hardest dunker I ever saw in person (except Shaq of course), I was lucky enough to attend a Wolves/Sonics game with seats in the 2nd row under the basket. Holy crap was he something in person.  Can't help but wonder what the rest of his career arc would have looked like without the strike, where he fell in love with food and drugs. Based on his previous mating habits, you know the man had no self control. 

Accomplishments:

  • Carrer averages of 14.6ppg and 8.4 rpg, but with a 8-year peak of 18.3ppg and 10.4rpg
  • Failed to score the minimum 700 on the SAT and was ineligible to play at Kentucky
  • Kicked out at Kentucky after stealing and pawning a teammates gold chains
  • Enrolled at Trinity Valley Community College. One semester.
  • Drafted 17th overall by Seattle
  • 6x All-Star, 3x All-NBA
  • Led the league in fouls committed 3 times
  • Showed up after the lockout at 315 lbs. Still averaged 20.5ppg and 9.2rpg with Cleveland.
  • Cut by the Blazers in 2002 and entered rehab for cocaine
  • in 2006 attempted a comeback with Dallas and had a workout scheduled. Failed to show up.
  • Offered a workout by Chicago later in 2006. Failed to show up.
  • Signed with a team in Italy in 2008, played in 3 preseason games, then quit.
  • Opened a cannabis dispensary in Seattle
LEGEND
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This is by far my favorite write up so far.

 
Frostillicus said:
This is the really fun part of the draft, where there are fewer "no brainer" types and you can really have fun with guys who you loved. That's Kemp for me. Without question the hardest dunker I ever saw in person (except Shaq of course), I was lucky enough to attend a Wolves/Sonics game with seats in the 2nd row under the basket. Holy crap was he something in person.  Can't help but wonder what the rest of his career arc would have looked like without the strike, where he fell in love with food and drugs. Based on his previous mating habits, you know the man had no self control. 

Accomplishments:

  • Carrer averages of 14.6ppg and 8.4 rpg, but with a 8-year peak of 18.3ppg and 10.4rpg
  • Failed to score the minimum 700 on the SAT and was ineligible to play at Kentucky
  • Kicked out at Kentucky after stealing and pawning a teammates gold chains
  • Enrolled at Trinity Valley Community College. One semester.
  • Drafted 17th overall by Seattle
  • 6x All-Star, 3x All-NBA
  • Led the league in fouls committed 3 times
  • Showed up after the lockout at 315 lbs. Still averaged 20.5ppg and 9.2rpg with Cleveland.
  • Cut by the Blazers in 2002 and entered rehab for cocaine
  • in 2006 attempted a comeback with Dallas and had a workout scheduled. Failed to show up.
  • Offered a workout by Chicago later in 2006. Failed to show up.
  • Signed with a team in Italy in 2008, played in 3 preseason games, then quit.
  • Opened a cannabis dispensary in Seattle
LEGEND
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i was going through my NBA Jams day and thinking of who i wanted. Kemp was certainly up there, thankfully LJ fell to me. Love the bolded above

 
Frostillicus said:
This is the really fun part of the draft, where there are fewer "no brainer" types and you can really have fun with guys who you loved. That's Kemp for me. Without question the hardest dunker I ever saw in person (except Shaq of course), I was lucky enough to attend a Wolves/Sonics game with seats in the 2nd row under the basket. Holy crap was he something in person.  Can't help but wonder what the rest of his career arc would have looked like without the strike, where he fell in love with food and drugs. Based on his previous mating habits, you know the man had no self control. 
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top 50 in choosies, gah-ron-tee

 
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