American held hostage by al Qaeda appeals to Obama... (1 Viewer)

[Jim11]

Does anyone think that the entire truth to this deal is what's been reported? That the administration would do this deal for this soldier? There was something else in this deal that isn't going to be reported that Obama wanted bad enough to have all of this happen (and make himself look even weak in the process). We don't know what it is, and we likely will never know, but this doesn't happen on face value. Something else was involved.

You're giving them too much credit. See track record. Obamacare, botched. Benghazi, botched. Notice a trend?

 

[Jim11]

As for releasing 5 members of the Taliban, it's meaningless in terms of security. We could release 500 members of the Taliban and it would make no difference, because their infrastructure has been destroyed.

You're delusional

Tim, the expert on the Taliban.

 

[tri-man 47]

The truth is I think I've been pushed into giving an opinion on this issue which is stronger than I intended, based on my almost instinctual resistance to what has been argued on the other side. Can we at least all agree on this point: we haven't been given all the facts yet. Like the Snowden NSA story, this is one of those instances in which what we don't know, yet, may exceed that which we do. This is NOT an argument for conspiracy; just an acknowledgment that the situation is still unfolding. It's probably better in these situations to withhold judgment, but somehow I've never had the wisdom to do so. Though the same can be said for most of my detractors in this thread.

What don't we know? We may not be 100 percent certain he was a deserter, but the facts seem to strongly suggested it. What we do know is the most transparent Administration in the history of the world knows the facts, but are intentionally avoiding that discussion.

Exactly. So are you in favor of the deal or not?

Not given the facts we have at hand. This guy is potentially a trader.

What kind of trader? Spice? Rugs? Widgets?

Traded duty for dishonor.

 

[MaxThreshold]

The truth is I think I've been pushed into giving an opinion on this issue which is stronger than I intended, based on my almost instinctual resistance to what has been argued on the other side. Can we at least all agree on this point: we haven't been given all the facts yet. Like the Snowden NSA story, this is one of those instances in which what we don't know, yet, may exceed that which we do. This is NOT an argument for conspiracy; just an acknowledgment that the situation is still unfolding. It's probably better in these situations to withhold judgment, but somehow I've never had the wisdom to do so. Though the same can be said for most of my detractors in this thread.

What don't we know? We may not be 100 percent certain he was a deserter, but the facts seem to strongly suggested it. What we do know is the most transparent Administration in the history of the world knows the facts, but are intentionally avoiding that discussion.

Exactly. So are you in favor of the deal or not?

Not given the facts we have at hand. This guy is potentially a trader.

What kind of trader? Spice? Rugs? Widgets?

Traded duty for dishonor.

For the Obama apologists in here, that gets you "hero" status and a WH visit.

 

[Soonerman]

The truth is I think I've been pushed into giving an opinion on this issue which is stronger than I intended, based on my almost instinctual resistance to what has been argued on the other side. Can we at least all agree on this point: we haven't been given all the facts yet. Like the Snowden NSA story, this is one of those instances in which what we don't know, yet, may exceed that which we do. This is NOT an argument for conspiracy; just an acknowledgment that the situation is still unfolding. It's probably better in these situations to withhold judgment, but somehow I've never had the wisdom to do so. Though the same can be said for most of my detractors in this thread.

What don't we know? We may not be 100 percent certain he was a deserter, but the facts seem to strongly suggested it. What we do know is the most transparent Administration in the history of the world knows the facts, but are intentionally avoiding that discussion.

Exactly. So are you in favor of the deal or not?

Not given the facts we have at hand. This guy is potentially a trader.

What kind of trader? Spice? Rugs? Widgets?

Traded duty for dishonor.

For the Obama apologists in here, that gets you "hero" status.

And a Rose Garden ceremony.

 

[Todd Andrews]

This pretty much sums up my position. If the US government prosecutes his ### for desertion or treason, or whatever the facts support, I wont care one bit. But that hasnt happened, and US soldiers belong here and not in the hands of our enemies. A lot of so-called troop supporters in here arguing vehemently about how we should leave US soldiers in captivity. Pretty remarkable.

 

[tri-man 47]

This pretty much sums up my position. If the US government prosecutes his ### for desertion or treason, or whatever the facts support, I wont care one bit. But that hasnt happened, and US soldiers belong here and not in the hands of our enemies. A lot of so-called troop supporters in here arguing vehemently about how we should leave US soldiers in captivity. Pretty remarkable.

Todd, the question you raised a page ago was whether anyone here would make the trade or not. If the question was whether we should make serious attempts to bring him home, I believe most/all would say "yes."

 

[shader]

I made the point earlier that a lot more was involved, but it's no conspiracy. There are delicate negotiations that have to be achieved to insure our withdrawal from Afghanistan.

Now this soldier sounds like a loser, a deserter, and/or an idealistic fool. But he was a POW and as such it was an important point of honor to free him.

As for releasing 5 members of the Taliban, it's meaningless in terms of security. We could release 500 members of the Taliban and it would make no difference, because their infrastructure has been destroyed.

Infrastructure? These guys worked out of tents and held firing range classes in the desert. I imagine that isn't gonna be hard to "rebuild"

 

[Billy Bats]

We found Bin Laden hiding in Pakistan and Hussein cowering in a rat hole. I have faith that we would've found him without having to turn over 5 terrorists.

 

[Todd Andrews]

This pretty much sums up my position. If the US government prosecutes his ### for desertion or treason, or whatever the facts support, I wont care one bit. But that hasnt happened, and US soldiers belong here and not in the hands of our enemies. A lot of so-called troop supporters in here arguing vehemently about how we should leave US soldiers in captivity. Pretty remarkable.

Todd, the question you raised a page ago was whether anyone here would make the trade or not. If the question was whether we should make serious attempts to bring him home, I believe most/all would say "yes."

That is the trade.

 

[John Bender]

You're all nuts

 

[Jim11]

So which of you think we shouldnt have done the deal and should leave US POWs with the Taliban?

Leaving deserters in the hands of the Taliban is okay by me. POWs are a different story.

 

[Jim11]

This pretty much sums up my position. If the US government prosecutes his ### for desertion or treason, or whatever the facts support, I wont care one bit. But that hasnt happened, and US soldiers belong here and not in the hands of our enemies. A lot of so-called troop supporters in here arguing vehemently about how we should leave US soldiers in captivity. Pretty remarkable.

Todd, the question you raised a page ago was whether anyone here would make the trade or not. If the question was whether we should make serious attempts to bring him home, I believe most/all would say "yes."

That is the trade.

There are other ways to rescue people.

 

[Gawain]

I haven't seen tim handled so roughly since the infamous Jimschoschet incident of the Great NBA draft.

 

[MaxThreshold]

I haven't seen tim handled so roughly since the infamous Jimschoschet incident of the Great NBA draft.

Yeah, It's been a pretty rough thread for him. Not quite as bad as TGunz getting owned on an hourly basis in the Obamacare thread, though, but still bad.

 

[Fennis]

Max, are you suggesting that if a soldier deserts his post, he is no longer to be considered an American and anything that happens to him thereafter is to be ignored?

According to Susan Rice, he served with honor and distinction. I look forward to him getting a medal or something.

the military promoted him twice. Not Susan Rice

 

[MaxThreshold]

Max, are you suggesting that if a soldier deserts his post, he is no longer to be considered an American and anything that happens to him thereafter is to be ignored?

According to Susan Rice, he served with honor and distinction. I look forward to him getting a medal or something.

the military promoted him twice. Not Susan Rice

So does "Sgt" look better on a court-martial than "Private"?

 

[Zegras11]

Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl has completed the first phase of his reintroduction to American society - a return to U.S. control. He is now at Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in Germany undergoing the second phase, decompression and debriefing.

Decompression - normalizing emotional and behavioral response after hostile captivity, isolation and degradation - is a crucial step. Captives learn to survive an extremely traumatic ordeal; in doing so, they may engage in mental and physical coping strategies that they need to be eased back from and into their normal coping routines, according to information provided by U.S. Army South, which is overseeing Bergdahl’s reintegration.

“This is a slow and deliberate process to ensure that the individual isn’t overwhelmed by his reintegration back into society,” Col. Steve Warren, director of the Defense Press Office, said during a Monday press briefing in Washington, D.C. A copy of the transcript was provided to the Statesman.

Debriefing occurs in all three phases. “The initial debriefing during phase one is to establish his current condition, to determine if there’s any immediate and critical information that friendly forces can use for follow-on operations,” Warren said. “Of course, there’s an intelligence component to all of this. It would be naive to think there isn’t.”

As of Monday, Bergdahl had not yet spoken to his family. Warren said that would happen when Bergdahl and his psychologists “are certain that the time is right.”

Phase three, the final phase of reintegration, is slated to take place in San Antonio at Brooke Army Medical Center under U.S. Army South’s direction. Army South provides post-captivity reintegration for all service members worldwide. A Q&A document from the center cited other recent cases it has handled: treatment in 2007 of an Army contractor held hostage in Ethiopia for almost three months, in 2008 of three Department of Defense contractors held for more than 5 1/2 years in Colombia, in 2010 for an Army civilian who spent more than two months held in Iraq and in 2013 of a former U.S. service member held in Colombia for more than four months.

Phase three “begins with the homecoming,” Warren said. “It’s reuniting with family and society … and engaging with the media, giving him his opportunity to tell his story.”

There are no specifics on how long it will take Bergdahl to complete phases two and three. “It is all dependent on the individual returning,” Warren said. Warren would not release details of Bergdahl’s condition. He said Bergdahl is suffering from diet and nutrition issues, but he would not call it malnutrition.

“He hasn’t eaten well over the last five years. So we’re focusing on that. There are other matters, but for obvious reasons, I’m not going to get into the details,” said Warren.

No photos of Bergdahl are being released at this time.

While in captivity, Bergdahl continued to receive promotions. “It’s the department’s policy that when personnel are captured, they are promoted along a standard timeline,” Warren said.

Bergdahl was promoted twice while in captivity - first to specialist, then sergeant. He is scheduled for another promotion this month, but now that he’s no longer in captivity, Warren did not know if that promotion is still planned.

Read more here: http://www.idahostatesman.com/2014/06/02/3215803/long-road-back-for-idahos-bowe.html#storylink=cpy
http://www.idahostatesman.com/2014/06/02/3215803/long-road-back-for-idahos-bowe.html

 

[Fennis]

Max, are you suggesting that if a soldier deserts his post, he is no longer to be considered an American and anything that happens to him thereafter is to be ignored?

According to Susan Rice, he served with honor and distinction. I look forward to him getting a medal or something.

the military promoted him twice. Not Susan Rice

So does "Sgt" look better on a court-martial than "Private"?

I would be very surprised if he is court-martialed.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Max, are you suggesting that if a soldier deserts his post, he is no longer to be considered an American and anything that happens to him thereafter is to be ignored?

According to Susan Rice, he served with honor and distinction. I look forward to him getting a medal or something.

the military promoted him twice. Not Susan Rice

So does "Sgt" look better on a court-martial than "Private"?

I would be very surprised if he is court-martialed.

I certainly hope so, anyways. But you're probably right since this Administration wants to treat him as some kind of hero.

 

[Fennis]

Max, are you suggesting that if a soldier deserts his post, he is no longer to be considered an American and anything that happens to him thereafter is to be ignored?

According to Susan Rice, he served with honor and distinction. I look forward to him getting a medal or something.

the military promoted him twice. Not Susan Rice

So does "Sgt" look better on a court-martial than "Private"?

I would be very surprised if he is court-martialed.

I certainly hope so, anyways. But you're probably right since this Administration is promoting him as some kind of hero.

The simplest way to promote someone as a hero is to call them a hero. Can you link to someone in the Obama Administration calling him a "hero"?

 

[MaxThreshold]

Max, are you suggesting that if a soldier deserts his post, he is no longer to be considered an American and anything that happens to him thereafter is to be ignored?

According to Susan Rice, he served with honor and distinction. I look forward to him getting a medal or something.

the military promoted him twice. Not Susan Rice

So does "Sgt" look better on a court-martial than "Private"?

I would be very surprised if he is court-martialed.

I certainly hope so, anyways. But you're probably right since this Administration is promoting him as some kind of hero.

The simplest way to promote someone as a hero is to call them a hero. Can you link to someone in the Obama Administration calling him a "hero"?

Ask and ye shall receive:

Following President Obama’s Rose Garden ceremony Saturday with Bergdahl’s parents, senior administration officials have repeatedly praised Bergdahl as a hero and applauded his conduct, pushing back against reports he intentionally deserted his post in Afghanistan. National Security Adviser Susan Rice said Sunday that Bergdahl served with “honor and distinction.”

 

[timschochet]

I haven't seen tim handled so roughly since the infamous Jimschoschet incident of the Great NBA draft.

I'm proud of my effort in this thread. (And I was proud of that draft, too.)

 

[Gawain]

I haven't seen tim handled so roughly since the infamous Jimschoschet incident of the Great NBA draft.

I'm proud of my effort in this thread. (And I was proud of that draft, too.)

Those 1970s rankings were rough, the uproar was easily equal to Benghazi, Whitewater, Iran-Contra and no-bid Haliburton contracts all rolled into one.

Kinda like the thoughts below:

Pentagon spokesman Adm. John Kirby told The Daily Beast on Monday.

“I was in the Navy, and the ethos was, if a man goes overboard, it doesn’t matter if he jumped, fell, or got pushed. We were going in to get him,” said Adm. Kirby. “He was a prisoner of war, and prisoner exchanges in a time of war have a deep historical context, and we’re comfortable that using diplomatic means to make the exchange was the right approach.”

 

[Jim11]

I haven't seen tim handled so roughly since the infamous Jimschoschet incident of the Great NBA draft.

I'm proud of my effort in this thread. (And I was proud of that draft, too.)

Is this why you're proud, Tim?

http://www.wnd.com/2014/06/squad-leader-bergdahl-unstable-abandoned-his-post/

A man who served as U.S. Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl’s squad leader before he went missing in southeastern Afghanistan five years ago tells WND the soldier “was a little unstable” and “abandoned his post, [leaving] four guys sleeping with no one covering them” because he was “fed up with the establishment, with poor leadership.”

 

[Fennis]

Max, are you suggesting that if a soldier deserts his post, he is no longer to be considered an American and anything that happens to him thereafter is to be ignored?

According to Susan Rice, he served with honor and distinction. I look forward to him getting a medal or something.

the military promoted him twice. Not Susan Rice

So does "Sgt" look better on a court-martial than "Private"?

I would be very surprised if he is court-martialed.

I certainly hope so, anyways. But you're probably right since this Administration is promoting him as some kind of hero.

The simplest way to promote someone as a hero is to call them a hero. Can you link to someone in the Obama Administration calling him a "hero"?

Ask and ye shall receive:

Following President Obama’s Rose Garden ceremony Saturday with Bergdahl’s parents, senior administration officials have repeatedly praised Bergdahl as a hero and applauded his conduct, pushing back against reports he intentionally deserted his post in Afghanistan. National Security Adviser Susan Rice said Sunday that Bergdahl served with “honor and distinction.”

so they didnt call him a hero. Got it.

 

[timschochet]

I haven't seen tim handled so roughly since the infamous Jimschoschet incident of the Great NBA draft.

I'm proud of my effort in this thread. (And I was proud of that draft, too.)

Is this why you're proud, Tim?

http://www.wnd.com/2014/06/squad-leader-bergdahl-unstable-abandoned-his-post/

A man who served as U.S. Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl’s squad leader before he went missing in southeastern Afghanistan five years ago tells WND the soldier “was a little unstable” and “abandoned his post, [leaving] four guys sleeping with no one covering them” because he was “fed up with the establishment, with poor leadership.”

I'm betting World Net Daily is your home website. Am I correct?

 

[timschochet]

If these soldiers are telling their stories to World Net Daily, that makes me EXTREMELY suspicious. Swift Boat Vets, anyone?

 

[MaxThreshold]

Max, are you suggesting that if a soldier deserts his post, he is no longer to be considered an American and anything that happens to him thereafter is to be ignored?

According to Susan Rice, he served with honor and distinction. I look forward to him getting a medal or something.

the military promoted him twice. Not Susan Rice

So does "Sgt" look better on a court-martial than "Private"?

I would be very surprised if he is court-martialed.

I certainly hope so, anyways. But you're probably right since this Administration is promoting him as some kind of hero.

The simplest way to promote someone as a hero is to call them a hero. Can you link to someone in the Obama Administration calling him a "hero"?

Ask and ye shall receive:

Following President Obama’s Rose Garden ceremony Saturday with Bergdahl’s parents, senior administration officials have repeatedly praised Bergdahl as a hero and applauded his conduct, pushing back against reports he intentionally deserted his post in Afghanistan. National Security Adviser Susan Rice said Sunday that Bergdahl served with “honor and distinction.”

so they didnt call him a hero. Got it.

Did you miss something?

 

[Homer J Simpson]

I haven't seen tim handled so roughly since the infamous Jimschoschet incident of the Great NBA draft.

I'm proud of my effort in this thread. (And I was proud of that draft, too.)

Is this why you're proud, Tim?

http://www.wnd.com/2014/06/squad-leader-bergdahl-unstable-abandoned-his-post/

A man who served as U.S. Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl’s squad leader before he went missing in southeastern Afghanistan five years ago tells WND the soldier “was a little unstable” and “abandoned his post, [leaving] four guys sleeping with no one covering them” because he was “fed up with the establishment, with poor leadership.”

Oh, then by all means ignore hundreds of years of military tradition.

 

[flapgreen]

This pretty much sums up my position. If the US government prosecutes his ### for desertion or treason, or whatever the facts support, I wont care one bit. But that hasnt happened, and US soldiers belong here and not in the hands of our enemies. A lot of so-called troop supporters in here arguing vehemently about how we should leave US soldiers in captivity. Pretty remarkable.

Todd, the question you raised a page ago was whether anyone here would make the trade or not. If the question was whether we should make serious attempts to bring him home, I believe most/all would say "yes."

That is the trade.

There are other ways to rescue people.

America hater

 

[flapgreen]

Whoa. The whole crew is in here now. Bombs away!

 

[sublimeone]

How many American POWs are there? Couldn't we have traded for someone else?

 

[timschochet]

How many American POWs are there? Couldn't we have traded for someone else?

This was the only one.

 

[fantasycurse42]

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/brothers-arms-bash-bowe-bergdahl-traitor-article-1.1814106

looking at the pictures of the men who lost their lives looking for this guy makes me really sad... Six brave souls who are no longer with us bc this man went missing. The men in his platoon don't seem all that excited he is back either and his team leader does accuse him of desertion in this article.

 

[Mario Kart]

I figured it out. Obama is going to nuke the place now. All will be forgiven if a couple nuke land on these suckers. Had to get the American out for good measure but these guys are going up in smoke. Right?

 

[greenroom]

What I find funny is the same people that are complaining that we got this POW back are the same ones upset that President Obama did not provide the American who was killed in the drone attack because he was fighting with the Taliban with out due process.

That said if President Obama had let this POW die over there, he would be destroyed for letting an American Soldier die without due process?

 

[quickhands]

I made the point earlier that a lot more was involved, but it's no conspiracy. There are delicate negotiations that have to be achieved to insure our withdrawal from Afghanistan.

Now this soldier sounds like a loser, a deserter, and/or an idealistic fool. But he was a POW and as such it was an important point of honor to free him.

As for releasing 5 members of the Taliban, it's meaningless in terms of security. We could release 500 members of the Taliban and it would make no difference, because their infrastructure has been destroyed.

How can you tell? You mean the highway system? Cuz I dont think they had one.

 

[quickhands]

The truth is I think I've been pushed into giving an opinion on this issue which is stronger than I intended, based on my almost instinctual resistance to what has been argued on the other side. Can we at least all agree on this point: we haven't been given all the facts yet. Like the Snowden NSA story, this is one of those instances in which what we don't know, yet, may exceed that which we do. This is NOT an argument for conspiracy; just an acknowledgment that the situation is still unfolding. It's probably better in these situations to withhold judgment, but somehow I've never had the wisdom to do so. Though the same can be said for most of my detractors in this thread.

No, one of my rules in life is, if you find yourself with todd andrews as the only two people agreeing. You're on the wrong side of the argument.

 

[quickhands]

If these soldiers are telling their stories to World Net Daily, that makes me EXTREMELY suspicious. Swift Boat Vets, anyone?

Ah, tim has the scent? More anti Obama racism.

 

[MaxThreshold]

The truth is I think I've been pushed into giving an opinion on this issue which is stronger than I intended, based on my almost instinctual resistance to what has been argued on the other side. Can we at least all agree on this point: we haven't been given all the facts yet. Like the Snowden NSA story, this is one of those instances in which what we don't know, yet, may exceed that which we do. This is NOT an argument for conspiracy; just an acknowledgment that the situation is still unfolding. It's probably better in these situations to withhold judgment, but somehow I've never had the wisdom to do so. Though the same can be said for most of my detractors in this thread.

No, one of my rules in life is, if you find yourself with todd andrews as the only two people agreeing. You're on the wrong side of the argument.

This is sound advice. Anytime you find Todd agreeing with you should force you into some deep soul-searching and re-thinking of your stance.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/brothers-arms-bash-bowe-bergdahl-traitor-article-1.1814106

looking at the pictures of the men who lost their lives looking for this guy makes me really sad... Six brave souls who are no longer with us bc this man went missing. The men in his platoon don't seem all that excited he is back either and his team leader does accuse him of desertion in this article.

Lives to consider besides Bergdahl's:

• US men who died looking for him, 2-6 depending on the reports
• US men who died capturing these 5 Taliban
• US men who will die when these Taliban get back into action
• US citizens who could die because of Taliban support for AQ and other terror groups - there is a war ongoing after and outside Afghanistan, see 9/11/01 attacks
• Afghan citizens including allies and innocents who died at the hands of these Taliban murderers - these are senior level people who have executed thousands at a time, including the soccer stadium killings
• Afghan citizens including allies and innocents who will die at the hands of these Taliban murderers

The tally is a long one.

I will add this is one big stab in the back to the Afghan men, women and children who have fought with us and who seek to make the country a better place.

 

[juanjuan]

The truth is I think I've been pushed into giving an opinion on this issue which is stronger than I intended, based on my almost instinctual resistance to what has been argued on the other side. Can we at least all agree on this point: we haven't been given all the facts yet. Like the Snowden NSA story, this is one of those instances in which what we don't know, yet, may exceed that which we do. This is NOT an argument for conspiracy; just an acknowledgment that the situation is still unfolding. It's probably better in these situations to withhold judgment, but somehow I've never had the wisdom to do so. Though the same can be said for most of my detractors in this thread.

At least you're man enough to admit that you generally don't know facts, but you take very strong positions anyway based almost entirely on who you don't like and who you feel should be opposed. It's not exactly the most intellectual approach, but I guess your honesty should be applauded.

By the way, nobody pushed you. You took your position on your own accord.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I made the point earlier that a lot more was involved, but it's no conspiracy. There are delicate negotiations that have to be achieved to insure our withdrawal from Afghanistan.

Now this soldier sounds like a loser, a deserter, and/or an idealistic fool. But he was a POW and as such it was an important point of honor to free him.

As for releasing 5 members of the Taliban, it's meaningless in terms of security. We could release 500 members of the Taliban and it would make no difference, because their infrastructure has been destroyed.

Which is why they were so eager to get them back and so joyous upon their return.

You seem to put a lot of stock in what terrorists think and feel.

That was the Obama administration's assessment I was referring to. They're the ones who put them down as "high risk."

So you were using the administration assessment to bolster your terrorist fanboyism?

Who cares what the Taliban thinks about these old (they are all at around the end of the life expectancy for Afghan men) loser Taliban goofs? They are dead whenever we want. It is stunning you guys are all about trying to figure out how to leave an American soldier in Taliban captivity--hes not a real American!--and looking for political points to score from our government freeing him.

Vile.

Hm.

I was just addressing Tim's comment that the Taliban 5 are meaningless in terms of efficacy.

The rest is all you.

I'm glad the guy is back, but the reality is it's some (not all) Obama supporters who are rushing to gloss all sorts of narrative onto this thing and seek to obscure the facts.

The facts are Bergdahl deserted his post and these are 5 mass murdering, torturing, fascist, women-hating, leaders of thousands who mean to wreak harm on tens of thousands to millions of fellow Afghans, including our allies who have stood with us and relied upon us, and Americans.

And the administration broke the law in doing it.

If you think all that sounds like an appropriate move, then fine say so.

The deal should stand on its own without having to resort to this stuff. Apparently it can't.

No, the rest is not all me. Tim was obviously right that five Taliban idiots dont mean anything in the greater scheme of things and pose no threat whatsover to our country. Only a paranoid deluded loon or someone with ulterior partisan political motives would think so, or pretend to think so.

You have a strange definition of "facts". Show me the proof that Bergdahl "deserted his post"--I am not claiming he did or didnt, but you seem privy to some evidence the rest of the world hasnt seen. That is a very serious charge.

You also dont know what the word "fascist" means, but we can let that go in the face of your other strange claims, such as that the administration broke the law in doing this deal. Which law(s) and how? Please explain in detail and make sure to include the penalties they will surely incur. Were they felonies? Because if so, we must start impeachment proceedings.

Of course I think giving five Taliban goofs back for an American soldier is a good idea. You are the one who thinks Americans should remain in captivity with terrorists, not me. The deal more than stands on its own. I would give 10 or 20 Taliban nimrods for one American soldier POW, whether or not he has questionable ideas or not, or was a good soldier or not, or was against the war in Afghanistan or not.

That's all fine, as always total respect for your viewpoint.

But it makes a mockery of Pres. Obama's handling of the war over there.

If the Taliban were going to come back, and we weren't even going to have a status of forces agreement at this point, there has really been no point to our being there since Obama took over.

There were 352 casualties under Bush from 2001-2008.

There have been 1082 casualties under Obama 2009 until now.

http://www.icasualties.org/oef/

If the whole point all along under Obama was to hand the country back to the Taliban, then Bergdahl never should have been there. And there was no point to Obama having Bergdahl languish for 5 years because Obama could have made this deal or some other deal a long, long time ago.

Obama sent in the surge - how many US men died and were wounded there? How many? Petraeus has said that Obama did not even believe in it, and yet Obama did it anyway. The war under Obama has been pointless. And all our Afghan allies, all the folks we had fighting for us, fighting for free education, girls and women's rights, human rights, some semblance of actual government, they are skrewed, and people who would support us elsewhere have been taught an abject lesson in why not to. Not to mention the fact that when the Taliban come back, AQ will have their safe haven back. Just like old times. There has been absolutely no point, reason or strategy to anything Obama has done over there (except kill OBL, but by the looks of it we did not need a full blown war to do that).

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

No, one of my rules in life is, if you find yourself with todd andrews as the only two people agreeing. You're on the wrong side of the argument.

This is sound advice. Anytime you find Todd agreeing with you should force you into some deep soul-searching and re-thinking of your stance.

You guys (not just you two) are making it very hard to take a wait and see approach. So much stupid crammed into eight pages!

So far you guys have clearly established that you have no clue what established means.

In addition the same is true that you have proven that proven is a word over your heads.

You ganged up and attacked Tim personally, keep telling us about the knee jerk defense of Obama fans (which I'm still waiting to see), and on and on.

And even if it turns out that this guy "defected" or the guys release create all kinds of havoc demonstrating that the administration was wrong in doing this deal, how does that make this into some kind of a scandal?

 

[Godsbrother]

Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl has completed the first phase of his reintroduction to American society - a return to U.S. control. He is now at Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in Germany undergoing the second phase, decompression and debriefing.

Decompression - normalizing emotional and behavioral response after hostile captivity, isolation and degradation - is a crucial step. Captives learn to survive an extremely traumatic ordeal; in doing so, they may engage in mental and physical coping strategies that they need to be eased back from and into their normal coping routines, according to information provided by U.S. Army South, which is overseeing Bergdahl’s reintegration.

“This is a slow and deliberate process to ensure that the individual isn’t overwhelmed by his reintegration back into society,” Col. Steve Warren, director of the Defense Press Office, said during a Monday press briefing in Washington, D.C. A copy of the transcript was provided to the Statesman.

Debriefing occurs in all three phases. “The initial debriefing during phase one is to establish his current condition, to determine if there’s any immediate and critical information that friendly forces can use for follow-on operations,” Warren said. “Of course, there’s an intelligence component to all of this. It would be naive to think there isn’t.”

As of Monday, Bergdahl had not yet spoken to his family. Warren said that would happen when Bergdahl and his psychologists “are certain that the time is right.”

I wonder if they'll be able to get any meaningful info at least...

 

[avoiding injuries]

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/brothers-arms-bash-bowe-bergdahl-traitor-article-1.1814106

looking at the pictures of the men who lost their lives looking for this guy makes me really sad... Six brave souls who are no longer with us bc this man went missing. The men in his platoon don't seem all that excited he is back either and his team leader does accuse him of desertion in this article.

Lives to consider besides Bergdahl's:

• US men who died looking for him, 2-6 depending on the reports
• US men who died capturing these 5 Taliban
• US men who will die when these Taliban get back into action
• US citizens who could die because of Taliban support for AQ and other terror groups - there is a war ongoing after and outside Afghanistan, see 9/11/01 attacks
• Afghan citizens including allies and innocents who died at the hands of these Taliban murderers - these are senior level people who have executed thousands at a time, including the soccer stadium killings
• Afghan citizens including allies and innocents who will die at the hands of these Taliban murderers

The tally is a long one.I will add this is one big stab in the back to the Afghan men, women and children who have fought with us and who seek to make the country a better place.

Future kidnap victims that the Taliban take in an effort to free more Guantanamo prisoners.

 

[jon_mx]

No, one of my rules in life is, if you find yourself with todd andrews as the only two people agreeing. You're on the wrong side of the argument.

This is sound advice. Anytime you find Todd agreeing with you should force you into some deep soul-searching and re-thinking of your stance.

You guys (not just you two) are making it very hard to take a wait and see approach. So much stupid crammed into eight pages!

So far you guys have clearly established that you have no clue what established means.

In addition the same is true that you have proven that proven is a word over your heads.

You ganged up and attacked Tim personally, keep telling us about the knee jerk defense of Obama fans (which I'm still waiting to see), and on and on.

And even if it turns out that this guy "defected" or the guys release create all kinds of havoc demonstrating that the administration was wrong in doing this deal, how does that make this into some kind of a scandal?

It was a bad deal regardless. If he turns out to have been a defector it just magnifies how bad it was. This is such a terrible deal I almost have to think Holder was pushing it. Behind the worst things this administration does, Holder seems to be the common thread.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/brothers-arms-bash-bowe-bergdahl-traitor-article-1.1814106

looking at the pictures of the men who lost their lives looking for this guy makes me really sad... Six brave souls who are no longer with us bc this man went missing. The men in his platoon don't seem all that excited he is back either and his team leader does accuse him of desertion in this article.

Lives to consider besides Bergdahl's:

• US men who died looking for him, 2-6 depending on the reports
• US men who died capturing these 5 Taliban
• US men who will die when these Taliban get back into action
• US citizens who could die because of Taliban support for AQ and other terror groups - there is a war ongoing after and outside Afghanistan, see 9/11/01 attacks
• Afghan citizens including allies and innocents who died at the hands of these Taliban murderers - these are senior level people who have executed thousands at a time, including the soccer stadium killings
• Afghan citizens including allies and innocents who will die at the hands of these Taliban murderers

The tally is a long one.I will add this is one big stab in the back to the Afghan men, women and children who have fought with us and who seek to make the country a better place.

Future kidnap victims that the Taliban take in an effort to free more Guantanamo prisoners.

He wasn't kidnapped.

 

[jon_mx]

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/brothers-arms-bash-bowe-bergdahl-traitor-article-1.1814106

looking at the pictures of the men who lost their lives looking for this guy makes me really sad... Six brave souls who are no longer with us bc this man went missing. The men in his platoon don't seem all that excited he is back either and his team leader does accuse him of desertion in this article.

Lives to consider besides Bergdahl's:

• US men who died looking for him, 2-6 depending on the reports
• US men who died capturing these 5 Taliban
• US men who will die when these Taliban get back into action
• US citizens who could die because of Taliban support for AQ and other terror groups - there is a war ongoing after and outside Afghanistan, see 9/11/01 attacks
• Afghan citizens including allies and innocents who died at the hands of these Taliban murderers - these are senior level people who have executed thousands at a time, including the soccer stadium killings
• Afghan citizens including allies and innocents who will die at the hands of these Taliban murderers

The tally is a long one.I will add this is one big stab in the back to the Afghan men, women and children who have fought with us and who seek to make the country a better place.

Future kidnap victims that the Taliban take in an effort to free more Guantanamo prisoners.

He wasn't kidnapped.

But it gives motivation to kidnap Americans.