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American held hostage by al Qaeda appeals to Obama... (1 Viewer)

timschochet said:
If these soldiers are telling their stories to World Net Daily, that makes me EXTREMELY suspicious. Swift Boat Vets, anyone?
Seems like the same stories they are telling every other website and news outlet.

 
This is going exactly as planned.

Qatar allowing freed Taliban men to move freely in country: Gulf official

"All five men received medical checks and they now live with their families in an accommodation facility in Doha," the Gulf source, who declined to be identified, told Reuters. "They can move around freely within the country."

"Under the deal they have to stay in Qatar for a year and then they will be allowed to travel outside the country... They can go back to Afghanistan if they want to," the official said.
Is their like a work release stipulation in this release? Do they need to go find jobs at their local supermarkets? I assume part of the deal includes no associating with known terrorists... I'm sure after years at Gitmo, these guys are just looking to get their lives back in order, be with their families, and raise children. Nothing to worry about.

 
This is going exactly as planned.

Qatar allowing freed Taliban men to move freely in country: Gulf official

"All five men received medical checks and they now live with their families in an accommodation facility in Doha," the Gulf source, who declined to be identified, told Reuters. "They can move around freely within the country."

"Under the deal they have to stay in Qatar for a year and then they will be allowed to travel outside the country... They can go back to Afghanistan if they want to," the official said.
Is their like a work release stipulation in this release? Do they need to go find jobs at their local supermarkets? I assume part of the deal includes no associating with known terrorists... I'm sure after years at Gitmo, these guys are just looking to get their lives back in order, be with their families, and raise children. Nothing to worry about.
They're just going to go quietly into retirement, per Tim and Todd (the Wonder Twins duo).

 
Another failed attempt by Obama and his failed administration. To this day I can't understand why anyone would have voted for this fail of a President.

 
This is going exactly as planned.

Qatar allowing freed Taliban men to move freely in country: Gulf official

"All five men received medical checks and they now live with their families in an accommodation facility in Doha," the Gulf source, who declined to be identified, told Reuters. "They can move around freely within the country."

"Under the deal they have to stay in Qatar for a year and then they will be allowed to travel outside the country... They can go back to Afghanistan if they want to," the official said.
Good to know that a World Cup will be held here.

 
Another failed attempt by Obama and his failed administration. To this day I can't understand why anyone would have voted for this fail of a President.
Seems some people were upset about a war under a prior administration that went on several years without a specific goal in sight.

Oh, wait.

 
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It sounds like the kid might have renounced his citizenship. Perhaps we need to change the title of this thread?

 
It sounds like the kid might have renounced his citizenship. Perhaps we need to change the title of this thread?
Reported by FOX from an anonymous source but the note he allegedly left behind has not been made public, nor has it been provided to Fox.

 
This is going exactly as planned.

Qatar allowing freed Taliban men to move freely in country: Gulf official

"All five men received medical checks and they now live with their families in an accommodation facility in Doha," the Gulf source, who declined to be identified, told Reuters. "They can move around freely within the country."

"Under the deal they have to stay in Qatar for a year and then they will be allowed to travel outside the country... They can go back to Afghanistan if they want to," the official said.
Is their like a work release stipulation in this release? Do they need to go find jobs at their local supermarkets? I assume part of the deal includes no associating with known terrorists... I'm sure after years at Gitmo, these guys are just looking to get their lives back in order, be with their families, and raise children. Nothing to worry about.
They're just going to go quietly into retirement, per Tim and Todd (the Wonder Twins duo).
I guess I don't understand. If we had a prisoner exchange with, say, North Korea during that conflict, would we require some sort of agreement that the prisoners freed could never be a part of the military again?

 
It sounds like the kid might have renounced his citizenship. Perhaps we need to change the title of this thread?
Reported by FOX from an anonymous source but the note he allegedly left behind has not been made public, nor has it been provided to Fox.
Sometime after midnight on June 30, 2009, Pfc. Bowe Bergdahl left behind a note in his tent saying he had become disillusioned with the Army, did not support the American mission in Afghanistan and was leaving to start a new life. He slipped off the remote military outpost in Paktika Province on the border with Pakistan and took with him a soft backpack, water, knives, a notebook and writing materials, but left behind his body armor and weapons — startling, given the hostile environment around his outpost.That account, provided by a former senior military officer briefed on the investigation into the private’s disappearance ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/03/us/us-soldier-srgt-bowe-bergdahl-of-idaho-pow-vanished-angered-his-unit.html?hp&_r=2

Well it seems all we have to do is see the note,right?

 
This is going exactly as planned.

Qatar allowing freed Taliban men to move freely in country: Gulf official

"All five men received medical checks and they now live with their families in an accommodation facility in Doha," the Gulf source, who declined to be identified, told Reuters. "They can move around freely within the country."

"Under the deal they have to stay in Qatar for a year and then they will be allowed to travel outside the country... They can go back to Afghanistan if they want to," the official said.
What's the problem here?

 
It sounds like the kid might have renounced his citizenship. Perhaps we need to change the title of this thread?
Reported by FOX from an anonymous source but the note he allegedly left behind has not been made public, nor has it been provided to Fox.
Sometime after midnight on June 30, 2009, Pfc. Bowe Bergdahl left behind a note in his tent saying he had become disillusioned with the Army, did not support the American mission in Afghanistan and was leaving to start a new life. He slipped off the remote military outpost in Paktika Province on the border with Pakistan and took with him a soft backpack, water, knives, a notebook and writing materials, but left behind his body armor and weapons — startling, given the hostile environment around his outpost.That account, provided by a former senior military officer briefed on the investigation into the private’s disappearance ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/03/us/us-soldier-srgt-bowe-bergdahl-of-idaho-pow-vanished-angered-his-unit.html?hp&_r=2

Well it seems all we have to do is see the note,right?
:help:

 
This is going exactly as planned.

Qatar allowing freed Taliban men to move freely in country: Gulf official

"All five men received medical checks and they now live with their families in an accommodation facility in Doha," the Gulf source, who declined to be identified, told Reuters. "They can move around freely within the country."

"Under the deal they have to stay in Qatar for a year and then they will be allowed to travel outside the country... They can go back to Afghanistan if they want to," the official said.
What's the problem here?
Would you please look over these guys' resumes?

You see no concerns, not one, here at all?

Not for anyone? Afghan civilians, Americans, no one?

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2014/05/sgt_bowe_bergdahl_ex.php#

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/02/how-obama-convinced-his-spies-to-support-the-taliban-prisoner-release.html

 
It sounds like the kid might have renounced his citizenship. Perhaps we need to change the title of this thread?
Reported by FOX from an anonymous source but the note he allegedly left behind has not been made public, nor has it been provided to Fox.
Sometime after midnight on June 30, 2009, Pfc. Bowe Bergdahl left behind a note in his tent saying he had become disillusioned with the Army, did not support the American mission in Afghanistan and was leaving to start a new life. He slipped off the remote military outpost in Paktika Province on the border with Pakistan and took with him a soft backpack, water, knives, a notebook and writing materials, but left behind his body armor and weapons — startling, given the hostile environment around his outpost.That account, provided by a former senior military officer briefed on the investigation into the private’s disappearance ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/03/us/us-soldier-srgt-bowe-bergdahl-of-idaho-pow-vanished-angered-his-unit.html?hp&_r=2

Well it seems all we have to do is see the note,right?
The note may not exist and even if it does I am pretty sure that is not how one legally renounces their U.S. citizenship.

 
It sounds like the kid might have renounced his citizenship. Perhaps we need to change the title of this thread?
Reported by FOX from an anonymous source but the note he allegedly left behind has not been made public, nor has it been provided to Fox.
Sometime after midnight on June 30, 2009, Pfc. Bowe Bergdahl left behind a note in his tent saying he had become disillusioned with the Army, did not support the American mission in Afghanistan and was leaving to start a new life. He slipped off the remote military outpost in Paktika Province on the border with Pakistan and took with him a soft backpack, water, knives, a notebook and writing materials, but left behind his body armor and weapons — startling, given the hostile environment around his outpost.That account, provided by a former senior military officer briefed on the investigation into the private’s disappearance ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/03/us/us-soldier-srgt-bowe-bergdahl-of-idaho-pow-vanished-angered-his-unit.html?hp&_r=2

Well it seems all we have to do is see the note,right?
The note may not exist and even if it does I am pretty sure that is not how one legally renounces their U.S. citizenship.
Yeah, that's not how one renouces US citizenship. The full process has one getting right with the IRS and surrendering one's passport. Hopefully one has established citizenship (or at least permanent residence) elsewhere first. :2cents:

 
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It sounds like the kid might have renounced his citizenship. Perhaps we need to change the title of this thread?
Reported by FOX from an anonymous source but the note he allegedly left behind has not been made public, nor has it been provided to Fox.
Sometime after midnight on June 30, 2009, Pfc. Bowe Bergdahl left behind a note in his tent saying he had become disillusioned with the Army, did not support the American mission in Afghanistan and was leaving to start a new life. He slipped off the remote military outpost in Paktika Province on the border with Pakistan and took with him a soft backpack, water, knives, a notebook and writing materials, but left behind his body armor and weapons — startling, given the hostile environment around his outpost.That account, provided by a former senior military officer briefed on the investigation into the private’s disappearance ...
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/03/us/us-soldier-srgt-bowe-bergdahl-of-idaho-pow-vanished-angered-his-unit.html?hp&_r=2

Well it seems all we have to do is see the note,right?
The note may not exist and even if it does I am pretty sure that is not how one legally renounces their U.S. citizenship.
The note is in the same file folder with Obama's birth certificate and college transcripts.

 
This is going exactly as planned.

Qatar allowing freed Taliban men to move freely in country: Gulf official

"All five men received medical checks and they now live with their families in an accommodation facility in Doha," the Gulf source, who declined to be identified, told Reuters. "They can move around freely within the country."

"Under the deal they have to stay in Qatar for a year and then they will be allowed to travel outside the country... They can go back to Afghanistan if they want to," the official said.
What's the problem here?
Would you please look over these guys' resumes?

You see no concerns, not one, here at all?

Not for anyone? Afghan civilians, Americans, no one?

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2014/05/sgt_bowe_bergdahl_ex.php#

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/02/how-obama-convinced-his-spies-to-support-the-taliban-prisoner-release.html
The deal was they were to stay in Qatar for a year and then they can go back to Afghanistan. Sounds like that's what is happening. :shrug:

 
This is going exactly as planned.

Qatar allowing freed Taliban men to move freely in country: Gulf official

"All five men received medical checks and they now live with their families in an accommodation facility in Doha," the Gulf source, who declined to be identified, told Reuters. "They can move around freely within the country."

"Under the deal they have to stay in Qatar for a year and then they will be allowed to travel outside the country... They can go back to Afghanistan if they want to," the official said.
What's the problem here?
Would you please look over these guys' resumes?

You see no concerns, not one, here at all?

Not for anyone? Afghan civilians, Americans, no one?

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2014/05/sgt_bowe_bergdahl_ex.php#

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/02/how-obama-convinced-his-spies-to-support-the-taliban-prisoner-release.html
The deal was they were to stay in Qatar for a year and then they can go back to Afghanistan. Sounds like that's what is happening. :shrug:
That is, IF they last the year. :2cents:

 
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fantasycurse42 said:
http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/brothers-arms-bash-bowe-bergdahl-traitor-article-1.1814106

looking at the pictures of the men who lost their lives looking for this guy makes me really sad... Six brave souls who are no longer with us bc this man went missing. The men in his platoon don't seem all that excited he is back either and his team leader does accuse him of desertion in this article.
Lives to consider besides Bergdahl's:

  • US men who died looking for him, 2-6 depending on the reports
  • US men who died capturing these 5 Taliban
  • US men who will die when these Taliban get back into action
  • US citizens who could die because of Taliban support for AQ and other terror groups - there is a war ongoing after and outside Afghanistan, see 9/11/01 attacks
  • Afghan citizens including allies and innocents who died at the hands of these Taliban murderers - these are senior level people who have executed thousands at a time, including the soccer stadium killings
  • Afghan citizens including allies and innocents who will die at the hands of these Taliban murderers
The tally is a long one.I will add this is one big stab in the back to the Afghan men, women and children who have fought with us and who seek to make the country a better place.
Future kidnap victims that the Taliban take in an effort to free more Guantanamo prisoners.
He wasn't kidnapped.
5-for-1 special this week and every week; come get your high value targets.
Our enemies haven't been trying to take US soldiers prior to this past week?

 
jon_mx said:
It was a bad deal regardless. If he turns out to have been a defector it just magnifies how bad it was. This is such a terrible deal I almost have to think Holder was pushing it. Behind the worst things this administration does, Holder seems to be the common thread.
But how does it being a deal that you and possibly I disagree with turn this into a scandal?

And I guess this is as good of a place as any to make this point, but I think that we owe it to those American soldiers that died trying to recover him that we bring him back to try to determine what happened. Once we lost a soldier looking for him we should already be "all in" as far as pursuing his return.

 
Sounds like the "6 dead soldiers" claim is potentially bull#### too.

The furious search for Sergeant Bergdahl, his critics say, led to the deaths of at least two soldiers and possibly six others in the area. Pentagon officials say those charges are unsubstantiated and are not supported by a review of a database of casualties in the Afghan war.

...

A review of the database of casualties in the Afghan war suggests that Sergeant Bergdahl’s critics appear to be blaming him for every American soldier killed in Paktika Province in the four-month period that followed his disappearance.
They can't even say for sure if the first two that died were actually searching for him.

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Sounds like the "6 dead soldiers" claim is potentially bull#### too.

The furious search for Sergeant Bergdahl, his critics say, led to the deaths of at least two soldiers and possibly six others in the area. Pentagon officials say those charges are unsubstantiated and are not supported by a review of a database of casualties in the Afghan war.

...

A review of the database of casualties in the Afghan war suggests that Sergeant Bergdahl’s critics appear to be blaming him for every American soldier killed in Paktika Province in the four-month period that followed his disappearance.
They can't even say for sure if the first two that died were actually searching for him.
Jesus. It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

 
Sounds like the "6 dead soldiers" claim is potentially bull#### too.

The furious search for Sergeant Bergdahl, his critics say, led to the deaths of at least two soldiers and possibly six others in the area. Pentagon officials say those charges are unsubstantiated and are not supported by a review of a database of casualties in the Afghan war.

...

A review of the database of casualties in the Afghan war suggests that Sergeant Bergdahl’s critics appear to be blaming him for every American soldier killed in Paktika Province in the four-month period that followed his disappearance.
They can't even say for sure if the first two that died were actually searching for him.
Jesus. It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.
Forgot the link.

 
Sounds like the "6 dead soldiers" claim is potentially bull#### too.

The furious search for Sergeant Bergdahl, his critics say, led to the deaths of at least two soldiers and possibly six others in the area. Pentagon officials say those charges are unsubstantiated and are not supported by a review of a database of casualties in the Afghan war.

...

A review of the database of casualties in the Afghan war suggests that Sergeant Bergdahl’s critics appear to be blaming him for every American soldier killed in Paktika Province in the four-month period that followed his disappearance.
They can't even say for sure if the first two that died were actually searching for him.

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Are we surprised??

 
Sounds like the "6 dead soldiers" claim is potentially bull#### too.

The furious search for Sergeant Bergdahl, his critics say, led to the deaths of at least two soldiers and possibly six others in the area. Pentagon officials say those charges are unsubstantiated and are not supported by a review of a database of casualties in the Afghan war.

...

A review of the database of casualties in the Afghan war suggests that Sergeant Bergdahl’s critics appear to be blaming him for every American soldier killed in Paktika Province in the four-month period that followed his disappearance.
They can't even say for sure if the first two that died were actually searching for him.

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So you are going to believe the government instead of the guys in his platoon who were actually looking for him (and the govt made them sign non-disclosures to cover this up)?

 
Sounds like the "6 dead soldiers" claim is potentially bull#### too.

The furious search for Sergeant Bergdahl, his critics say, led to the deaths of at least two soldiers and possibly six others in the area. Pentagon officials say those charges are unsubstantiated and are not supported by a review of a database of casualties in the Afghan war.

...

A review of the database of casualties in the Afghan war suggests that Sergeant Bergdahl’s critics appear to be blaming him for every American soldier killed in Paktika Province in the four-month period that followed his disappearance.
They can't even say for sure if the first two that died were actually searching for him.

Edit to add link
So you are going to believe the government instead of the guys in his platoon who were actually looking for him (and the govt made them sign non-disclosures to cover this up)?
Yes.

 
Sounds like the "6 dead soldiers" claim is potentially bull#### too.

The furious search for Sergeant Bergdahl, his critics say, led to the deaths of at least two soldiers and possibly six others in the area. Pentagon officials say those charges are unsubstantiated and are not supported by a review of a database of casualties in the Afghan war.

...

A review of the database of casualties in the Afghan war suggests that Sergeant Bergdahl’s critics appear to be blaming him for every American soldier killed in Paktika Province in the four-month period that followed his disappearance.
They can't even say for sure if the first two that died were actually searching for him.

Edit to add link
So you are going to believe the government instead of the guys in his platoon who were actually looking for him (and the govt made them sign non-disclosures to cover this up)?
I believe that guys were looking for him. I believe that guys died. I don't know if those two things happened at the same time.

 
Sounds like the "6 dead soldiers" claim is potentially bull#### too.

The furious search for Sergeant Bergdahl, his critics say, led to the deaths of at least two soldiers and possibly six others in the area. Pentagon officials say those charges are unsubstantiated and are not supported by a review of a database of casualties in the Afghan war.

...

A review of the database of casualties in the Afghan war suggests that Sergeant Bergdahl’s critics appear to be blaming him for every American soldier killed in Paktika Province in the four-month period that followed his disappearance.
They can't even say for sure if the first two that died were actually searching for him.

Edit to add link
So you are going to believe the government instead of the guys in his platoon who were actually looking for him (and the govt made them sign non-disclosures to cover this up)?
Fennis is a BIG GUBMENT guy. Of course he's going to go with "government".

 
The parents of one soldier who died in Afghanistan in 2009 – allegedly during the search for Bergdahl -- told Fox News on Tuesday that their son, 2nd Lt. Darryn Andrews, regarded Bergdahl as a deserter.

“I think he should be tried as a deserter,” said his father, Andy Andrews. He and wife Sondra Andrews said they learned from posts on Facebook that their son was apparently involved in the hunt for Bergdahl when he was killed in an ambush.

 
The guy was an American soldier who should have been rescued. Got it? That said...

If everyone in his unit is saying the guy was a deserter and should be shot... that should be investigated further.

 
The guy was an American soldier who should have been rescued. Got it? That said...

If everyone in his unit is saying the guy was a deserter and should be shot... that should be investigated further.
Sorry, but I don't believe he needed to be rescued at all. He walked off on his own volition into enemy territory. What did he think was going to happen? The taliban was going to throw him a party?

 
about the only way this works out to benefit the Admin is if they drone the Taliban commanders as they get off the plane

 
The guy was an American soldier who should have been rescued. Got it? That said...

If everyone in his unit is saying the guy was a deserter and should be shot... that should be investigated further.
Sorry, but I don't believe he needed to be rescued at all. He walked off on his own volition into enemy territory. What did he think was going to happen? The taliban was going to throw him a party?
What he thought was going to happen is irrelevant to whether we rescue him. Also irrelevant to the rescue operation is whether he caused additional American casualties by giving up valuable intelligence. Soldiers need to know that the US will do whatever it takes to bring them home, no matter what. But once home... they need to own up to what they did. And if that means we rescue them just so they can be shot by us after court martial, then so be it.

 
about the only way this works out to benefit the Admin is if they drone the Taliban commanders as they get off the plane
I don't see where the win for Obama is, outside of a terrible excuse to get rid of some of the worst guys in gitmo. If any of these guys is involved in future terrorist attacks, Obama will have blood on his hands.

 
The guy was an American soldier who should have been rescued. Got it? That said...

If everyone in his unit is saying the guy was a deserter and should be shot... that should be investigated further.
Sorry, but I don't believe he needed to be rescued at all. He walked off on his own volition into enemy territory. What did he think was going to happen? The taliban was going to throw him a party?
What he thought was going to happen is irrelevant to whether we rescue him. Also irrelevant to the rescue operation is whether he caused additional American casualties by giving up valuable intelligence. Soldiers need to know that the US will do whatever it takes to bring them home, no matter what. But once home... they need to own up to what they did. And if that means we rescue them just so they can be shot by us after court martial, then so be it.
Fair enough. I can buy into this, I guess, if we were going to do something about it. I highly doubt the Obama administration is going to allow any charges come against the "hero" they just gave up 5 Taliban commanders for.

 
The parents of one soldier who died in Afghanistan in 2009 – allegedly during the search for Bergdahl -- told Fox News on Tuesday that their son, 2nd Lt. Darryn Andrews, regarded Bergdahl as a deserter.

“I think he should be tried as a deserter,” said his father, Andy Andrews. He and wife Sondra Andrews said they learned from posts on Facebook that their son was apparently involved in the hunt for Bergdahl when he was killed in an ambush.
What a mess. I hope we get the truth. I have about the same faith in hearsay from second hand facebook accounts as I do our gov't. Kind of reminds me of the Tillman situation.

 
Sounds like the "6 dead soldiers" claim is potentially bull#### too.

The furious search for Sergeant Bergdahl, his critics say, led to the deaths of at least two soldiers and possibly six others in the area. Pentagon officials say those charges are unsubstantiated and are not supported by a review of a database of casualties in the Afghan war.

...

A review of the database of casualties in the Afghan war suggests that Sergeant Bergdahl’s critics appear to be blaming him for every American soldier killed in Paktika Province in the four-month period that followed his disappearance.
They can't even say for sure if the first two that died were actually searching for him.

Edit to add link
So you are going to believe the government instead of the guys in his platoon who were actually looking for him (and the govt made them sign non-disclosures to cover this up)?
Fennis is a BIG GUBMENT guy. Of course he's going to go with "government".
If I had to bet, I would bet you believe in a larger government than I do.

 
Sounds like the "6 dead soldiers" claim is potentially bull#### too.

The furious search for Sergeant Bergdahl, his critics say, led to the deaths of at least two soldiers and possibly six others in the area. Pentagon officials say those charges are unsubstantiated and are not supported by a review of a database of casualties in the Afghan war.

...

A review of the database of casualties in the Afghan war suggests that Sergeant Bergdahl’s critics appear to be blaming him for every American soldier killed in Paktika Province in the four-month period that followed his disappearance.
They can't even say for sure if the first two that died were actually searching for him.

Edit to add link
So you are going to believe the government instead of the guys in his platoon who were actually looking for him (and the govt made them sign non-disclosures to cover this up)?
Fennis is a BIG GUBMENT guy. Of course he's going to go with "government".
If I had to bet, I would bet you believe in a larger government than I do.
Good thing you don't have to bet.

 
It's a VOLUNTEER army; don't join if you don't want to follow lawful orders. Imagine how well the army would do if everyone just "did their own thing".

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2647397/Revealed-Bowe-Bergdahl-left-note-comrades-telling-leaving-start-new-life-Army-general-says-faces-desertion-charges.html

The New York Times reported Bergdahl also left behind a note in which he said he did not want to fight for America any more, did not believe in the war - and was leaving to start a new life.

The letter to his comrades was separate from the email he sent to his parents before he sent his goods home to them, wherein he wrote: 'life is way too short to care for the damnation of others, as well as to spend it helping fools with their ideas that are wrong.... I am ashamed to even be (A)merican.'

 

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