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Seems like the same stories they are telling every other website and news outlet.timschochet said:If these soldiers are telling their stories to World Net Daily, that makes me EXTREMELY suspicious. Swift Boat Vets, anyone?
Seems like the same stories they are telling every other website and news outlet.timschochet said:If these soldiers are telling their stories to World Net Daily, that makes me EXTREMELY suspicious. Swift Boat Vets, anyone?
Is their like a work release stipulation in this release? Do they need to go find jobs at their local supermarkets? I assume part of the deal includes no associating with known terrorists... I'm sure after years at Gitmo, these guys are just looking to get their lives back in order, be with their families, and raise children. Nothing to worry about.This is going exactly as planned.
Qatar allowing freed Taliban men to move freely in country: Gulf official
"All five men received medical checks and they now live with their families in an accommodation facility in Doha," the Gulf source, who declined to be identified, told Reuters. "They can move around freely within the country."
"Under the deal they have to stay in Qatar for a year and then they will be allowed to travel outside the country... They can go back to Afghanistan if they want to," the official said.
They're just going to go quietly into retirement, per Tim and Todd (the Wonder Twins duo).Is their like a work release stipulation in this release? Do they need to go find jobs at their local supermarkets? I assume part of the deal includes no associating with known terrorists... I'm sure after years at Gitmo, these guys are just looking to get their lives back in order, be with their families, and raise children. Nothing to worry about.This is going exactly as planned.
Qatar allowing freed Taliban men to move freely in country: Gulf official
"All five men received medical checks and they now live with their families in an accommodation facility in Doha," the Gulf source, who declined to be identified, told Reuters. "They can move around freely within the country."
"Under the deal they have to stay in Qatar for a year and then they will be allowed to travel outside the country... They can go back to Afghanistan if they want to," the official said.
C'mon. Put on your thinking cap. You'll get it.Another failed attempt by Obama and his failed administration. To this day I can't understand why anyone would have voted for this fail of a President.
Good to know that a World Cup will be held here.This is going exactly as planned.
Qatar allowing freed Taliban men to move freely in country: Gulf official
"All five men received medical checks and they now live with their families in an accommodation facility in Doha," the Gulf source, who declined to be identified, told Reuters. "They can move around freely within the country."
"Under the deal they have to stay in Qatar for a year and then they will be allowed to travel outside the country... They can go back to Afghanistan if they want to," the official said.
Plus he wasn't even born here.Another failed attempt by Obama and his failed administration. To this day I can't understand why anyone would have voted for this fail of a President.
We were all warned about this in Revelations.Plus he wasn't even born here.Another failed attempt by Obama and his failed administration. To this day I can't understand why anyone would have voted for this fail of a President.
Seems some people were upset about a war under a prior administration that went on several years without a specific goal in sight.Another failed attempt by Obama and his failed administration. To this day I can't understand why anyone would have voted for this fail of a President.
Are you serious? Source?It sounds like the kid might have renounced his citizenship. Perhaps we need to change the title of this thread?
Reported by FOX from an anonymous source but the note he allegedly left behind has not been made public, nor has it been provided to Fox.It sounds like the kid might have renounced his citizenship. Perhaps we need to change the title of this thread?
I guess I don't understand. If we had a prisoner exchange with, say, North Korea during that conflict, would we require some sort of agreement that the prisoners freed could never be a part of the military again?They're just going to go quietly into retirement, per Tim and Todd (the Wonder Twins duo).Is their like a work release stipulation in this release? Do they need to go find jobs at their local supermarkets? I assume part of the deal includes no associating with known terrorists... I'm sure after years at Gitmo, these guys are just looking to get their lives back in order, be with their families, and raise children. Nothing to worry about.This is going exactly as planned.
Qatar allowing freed Taliban men to move freely in country: Gulf official
"All five men received medical checks and they now live with their families in an accommodation facility in Doha," the Gulf source, who declined to be identified, told Reuters. "They can move around freely within the country."
"Under the deal they have to stay in Qatar for a year and then they will be allowed to travel outside the country... They can go back to Afghanistan if they want to," the official said.
Reported by FOX from an anonymous source but the note he allegedly left behind has not been made public, nor has it been provided to Fox.It sounds like the kid might have renounced his citizenship. Perhaps we need to change the title of this thread?
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/03/us/us-soldier-srgt-bowe-bergdahl-of-idaho-pow-vanished-angered-his-unit.html?hp&_r=2Sometime after midnight on June 30, 2009, Pfc. Bowe Bergdahl left behind a note in his tent saying he had become disillusioned with the Army, did not support the American mission in Afghanistan and was leaving to start a new life. He slipped off the remote military outpost in Paktika Province on the border with Pakistan and took with him a soft backpack, water, knives, a notebook and writing materials, but left behind his body armor and weapons — startling, given the hostile environment around his outpost.That account, provided by a former senior military officer briefed on the investigation into the private’s disappearance ...
What's the problem here?This is going exactly as planned.
Qatar allowing freed Taliban men to move freely in country: Gulf official
"All five men received medical checks and they now live with their families in an accommodation facility in Doha," the Gulf source, who declined to be identified, told Reuters. "They can move around freely within the country."
"Under the deal they have to stay in Qatar for a year and then they will be allowed to travel outside the country... They can go back to Afghanistan if they want to," the official said.
Reported by FOX from an anonymous source but the note he allegedly left behind has not been made public, nor has it been provided to Fox.It sounds like the kid might have renounced his citizenship. Perhaps we need to change the title of this thread?http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/03/us/us-soldier-srgt-bowe-bergdahl-of-idaho-pow-vanished-angered-his-unit.html?hp&_r=2Sometime after midnight on June 30, 2009, Pfc. Bowe Bergdahl left behind a note in his tent saying he had become disillusioned with the Army, did not support the American mission in Afghanistan and was leaving to start a new life. He slipped off the remote military outpost in Paktika Province on the border with Pakistan and took with him a soft backpack, water, knives, a notebook and writing materials, but left behind his body armor and weapons — startling, given the hostile environment around his outpost.That account, provided by a former senior military officer briefed on the investigation into the private’s disappearance ...
Well it seems all we have to do is see the note,right?
Would you please look over these guys' resumes?What's the problem here?This is going exactly as planned.
Qatar allowing freed Taliban men to move freely in country: Gulf official
"All five men received medical checks and they now live with their families in an accommodation facility in Doha," the Gulf source, who declined to be identified, told Reuters. "They can move around freely within the country."
"Under the deal they have to stay in Qatar for a year and then they will be allowed to travel outside the country... They can go back to Afghanistan if they want to," the official said.
The note may not exist and even if it does I am pretty sure that is not how one legally renounces their U.S. citizenship.Reported by FOX from an anonymous source but the note he allegedly left behind has not been made public, nor has it been provided to Fox.It sounds like the kid might have renounced his citizenship. Perhaps we need to change the title of this thread?http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/03/us/us-soldier-srgt-bowe-bergdahl-of-idaho-pow-vanished-angered-his-unit.html?hp&_r=2Sometime after midnight on June 30, 2009, Pfc. Bowe Bergdahl left behind a note in his tent saying he had become disillusioned with the Army, did not support the American mission in Afghanistan and was leaving to start a new life. He slipped off the remote military outpost in Paktika Province on the border with Pakistan and took with him a soft backpack, water, knives, a notebook and writing materials, but left behind his body armor and weapons — startling, given the hostile environment around his outpost.That account, provided by a former senior military officer briefed on the investigation into the private’s disappearance ...
Well it seems all we have to do is see the note,right?
Yeah, that's not how one renouces US citizenship. The full process has one getting right with the IRS and surrendering one's passport. Hopefully one has established citizenship (or at least permanent residence) elsewhere first.The note may not exist and even if it does I am pretty sure that is not how one legally renounces their U.S. citizenship.Reported by FOX from an anonymous source but the note he allegedly left behind has not been made public, nor has it been provided to Fox.It sounds like the kid might have renounced his citizenship. Perhaps we need to change the title of this thread?http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/03/us/us-soldier-srgt-bowe-bergdahl-of-idaho-pow-vanished-angered-his-unit.html?hp&_r=2Sometime after midnight on June 30, 2009, Pfc. Bowe Bergdahl left behind a note in his tent saying he had become disillusioned with the Army, did not support the American mission in Afghanistan and was leaving to start a new life. He slipped off the remote military outpost in Paktika Province on the border with Pakistan and took with him a soft backpack, water, knives, a notebook and writing materials, but left behind his body armor and weapons — startling, given the hostile environment around his outpost.That account, provided by a former senior military officer briefed on the investigation into the private’s disappearance ...
Well it seems all we have to do is see the note,right?
Are you serious? Source?It sounds like the kid might have renounced his citizenship. Perhaps we need to change the title of this thread?
ETA: Fox. This will be interesting.
The note is in the same file folder with Obama's birth certificate and college transcripts.The note may not exist and even if it does I am pretty sure that is not how one legally renounces their U.S. citizenship.Reported by FOX from an anonymous source but the note he allegedly left behind has not been made public, nor has it been provided to Fox.It sounds like the kid might have renounced his citizenship. Perhaps we need to change the title of this thread?http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/03/us/us-soldier-srgt-bowe-bergdahl-of-idaho-pow-vanished-angered-his-unit.html?hp&_r=2Sometime after midnight on June 30, 2009, Pfc. Bowe Bergdahl left behind a note in his tent saying he had become disillusioned with the Army, did not support the American mission in Afghanistan and was leaving to start a new life. He slipped off the remote military outpost in Paktika Province on the border with Pakistan and took with him a soft backpack, water, knives, a notebook and writing materials, but left behind his body armor and weapons — startling, given the hostile environment around his outpost.That account, provided by a former senior military officer briefed on the investigation into the private’s disappearance ...
Well it seems all we have to do is see the note,right?
The deal was they were to stay in Qatar for a year and then they can go back to Afghanistan. Sounds like that's what is happening.Would you please look over these guys' resumes?What's the problem here?This is going exactly as planned.
Qatar allowing freed Taliban men to move freely in country: Gulf official
"All five men received medical checks and they now live with their families in an accommodation facility in Doha," the Gulf source, who declined to be identified, told Reuters. "They can move around freely within the country."
"Under the deal they have to stay in Qatar for a year and then they will be allowed to travel outside the country... They can go back to Afghanistan if they want to," the official said.
You see no concerns, not one, here at all?
Not for anyone? Afghan civilians, Americans, no one?
http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2014/05/sgt_bowe_bergdahl_ex.php#
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/02/how-obama-convinced-his-spies-to-support-the-taliban-prisoner-release.html
That is, IF they last the year.The deal was they were to stay in Qatar for a year and then they can go back to Afghanistan. Sounds like that's what is happening.Would you please look over these guys' resumes?What's the problem here?This is going exactly as planned.
Qatar allowing freed Taliban men to move freely in country: Gulf official
"All five men received medical checks and they now live with their families in an accommodation facility in Doha," the Gulf source, who declined to be identified, told Reuters. "They can move around freely within the country."
"Under the deal they have to stay in Qatar for a year and then they will be allowed to travel outside the country... They can go back to Afghanistan if they want to," the official said.
You see no concerns, not one, here at all?
Not for anyone? Afghan civilians, Americans, no one?
http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2014/05/sgt_bowe_bergdahl_ex.php#
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/02/how-obama-convinced-his-spies-to-support-the-taliban-prisoner-release.html![]()
Our enemies haven't been trying to take US soldiers prior to this past week?SaintsInDome2006 said:5-for-1 special this week and every week; come get your high value targets.Homer J Simpson said:He wasn't kidnapped.avoiding injuries said:Future kidnap victims that the Taliban take in an effort to free more Guantanamo prisoners.SaintsInDome2006 said:Lives to consider besides Bergdahl's:fantasycurse42 said:http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/brothers-arms-bash-bowe-bergdahl-traitor-article-1.1814106
looking at the pictures of the men who lost their lives looking for this guy makes me really sad... Six brave souls who are no longer with us bc this man went missing. The men in his platoon don't seem all that excited he is back either and his team leader does accuse him of desertion in this article.
The tally is a long one.I will add this is one big stab in the back to the Afghan men, women and children who have fought with us and who seek to make the country a better place.
- US men who died looking for him, 2-6 depending on the reports
- US men who died capturing these 5 Taliban
- US men who will die when these Taliban get back into action
- US citizens who could die because of Taliban support for AQ and other terror groups - there is a war ongoing after and outside Afghanistan, see 9/11/01 attacks
- Afghan citizens including allies and innocents who died at the hands of these Taliban murderers - these are senior level people who have executed thousands at a time, including the soccer stadium killings
- Afghan citizens including allies and innocents who will die at the hands of these Taliban murderers
I love how those incapable of understanding constantly claim superiority over those that are capable of understanding.Another failed attempt by Obama and his failed administration. To this day I can't understand why anyone would have voted for this fail of a President.
Much easier to dominate a league when the owners have to think like you do.Reaper said:If this were in my league, I'd reject the trade on the spot and ban the owner for collusion.
I don't know, but I assume Qatar wasn't ready for more than five at this time.dickey moe said:All things considered, did it absolutely have to be a 5 for 1 deal? Negotiation skills down?
But how does it being a deal that you and possibly I disagree with turn this into a scandal?jon_mx said:It was a bad deal regardless. If he turns out to have been a defector it just magnifies how bad it was. This is such a terrible deal I almost have to think Holder was pushing it. Behind the worst things this administration does, Holder seems to be the common thread.
They can't even say for sure if the first two that died were actually searching for him.The furious search for Sergeant Bergdahl, his critics say, led to the deaths of at least two soldiers and possibly six others in the area. Pentagon officials say those charges are unsubstantiated and are not supported by a review of a database of casualties in the Afghan war.
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A review of the database of casualties in the Afghan war suggests that Sergeant Bergdahl’s critics appear to be blaming him for every American soldier killed in Paktika Province in the four-month period that followed his disappearance.
Jesus. It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.Sounds like the "6 dead soldiers" claim is potentially bull#### too.
They can't even say for sure if the first two that died were actually searching for him.The furious search for Sergeant Bergdahl, his critics say, led to the deaths of at least two soldiers and possibly six others in the area. Pentagon officials say those charges are unsubstantiated and are not supported by a review of a database of casualties in the Afghan war.
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A review of the database of casualties in the Afghan war suggests that Sergeant Bergdahl’s critics appear to be blaming him for every American soldier killed in Paktika Province in the four-month period that followed his disappearance.
Forgot the link.Jesus. It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.Sounds like the "6 dead soldiers" claim is potentially bull#### too.
They can't even say for sure if the first two that died were actually searching for him.The furious search for Sergeant Bergdahl, his critics say, led to the deaths of at least two soldiers and possibly six others in the area. Pentagon officials say those charges are unsubstantiated and are not supported by a review of a database of casualties in the Afghan war.
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A review of the database of casualties in the Afghan war suggests that Sergeant Bergdahl’s critics appear to be blaming him for every American soldier killed in Paktika Province in the four-month period that followed his disappearance.
Are we surprised??Sounds like the "6 dead soldiers" claim is potentially bull#### too.
They can't even say for sure if the first two that died were actually searching for him.The furious search for Sergeant Bergdahl, his critics say, led to the deaths of at least two soldiers and possibly six others in the area. Pentagon officials say those charges are unsubstantiated and are not supported by a review of a database of casualties in the Afghan war.
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A review of the database of casualties in the Afghan war suggests that Sergeant Bergdahl’s critics appear to be blaming him for every American soldier killed in Paktika Province in the four-month period that followed his disappearance.
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So you are going to believe the government instead of the guys in his platoon who were actually looking for him (and the govt made them sign non-disclosures to cover this up)?Sounds like the "6 dead soldiers" claim is potentially bull#### too.
They can't even say for sure if the first two that died were actually searching for him.The furious search for Sergeant Bergdahl, his critics say, led to the deaths of at least two soldiers and possibly six others in the area. Pentagon officials say those charges are unsubstantiated and are not supported by a review of a database of casualties in the Afghan war.
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A review of the database of casualties in the Afghan war suggests that Sergeant Bergdahl’s critics appear to be blaming him for every American soldier killed in Paktika Province in the four-month period that followed his disappearance.
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Yes.So you are going to believe the government instead of the guys in his platoon who were actually looking for him (and the govt made them sign non-disclosures to cover this up)?Sounds like the "6 dead soldiers" claim is potentially bull#### too.
They can't even say for sure if the first two that died were actually searching for him.The furious search for Sergeant Bergdahl, his critics say, led to the deaths of at least two soldiers and possibly six others in the area. Pentagon officials say those charges are unsubstantiated and are not supported by a review of a database of casualties in the Afghan war.
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A review of the database of casualties in the Afghan war suggests that Sergeant Bergdahl’s critics appear to be blaming him for every American soldier killed in Paktika Province in the four-month period that followed his disappearance.
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I believe that guys were looking for him. I believe that guys died. I don't know if those two things happened at the same time.So you are going to believe the government instead of the guys in his platoon who were actually looking for him (and the govt made them sign non-disclosures to cover this up)?Sounds like the "6 dead soldiers" claim is potentially bull#### too.
They can't even say for sure if the first two that died were actually searching for him.The furious search for Sergeant Bergdahl, his critics say, led to the deaths of at least two soldiers and possibly six others in the area. Pentagon officials say those charges are unsubstantiated and are not supported by a review of a database of casualties in the Afghan war.
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A review of the database of casualties in the Afghan war suggests that Sergeant Bergdahl’s critics appear to be blaming him for every American soldier killed in Paktika Province in the four-month period that followed his disappearance.
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Fennis is a BIG GUBMENT guy. Of course he's going to go with "government".So you are going to believe the government instead of the guys in his platoon who were actually looking for him (and the govt made them sign non-disclosures to cover this up)?Sounds like the "6 dead soldiers" claim is potentially bull#### too.
They can't even say for sure if the first two that died were actually searching for him.The furious search for Sergeant Bergdahl, his critics say, led to the deaths of at least two soldiers and possibly six others in the area. Pentagon officials say those charges are unsubstantiated and are not supported by a review of a database of casualties in the Afghan war.
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A review of the database of casualties in the Afghan war suggests that Sergeant Bergdahl’s critics appear to be blaming him for every American soldier killed in Paktika Province in the four-month period that followed his disappearance.
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Sorry, but I don't believe he needed to be rescued at all. He walked off on his own volition into enemy territory. What did he think was going to happen? The taliban was going to throw him a party?The guy was an American soldier who should have been rescued. Got it? That said...
If everyone in his unit is saying the guy was a deserter and should be shot... that should be investigated further.
What he thought was going to happen is irrelevant to whether we rescue him. Also irrelevant to the rescue operation is whether he caused additional American casualties by giving up valuable intelligence. Soldiers need to know that the US will do whatever it takes to bring them home, no matter what. But once home... they need to own up to what they did. And if that means we rescue them just so they can be shot by us after court martial, then so be it.Sorry, but I don't believe he needed to be rescued at all. He walked off on his own volition into enemy territory. What did he think was going to happen? The taliban was going to throw him a party?The guy was an American soldier who should have been rescued. Got it? That said...
If everyone in his unit is saying the guy was a deserter and should be shot... that should be investigated further.
I don't see where the win for Obama is, outside of a terrible excuse to get rid of some of the worst guys in gitmo. If any of these guys is involved in future terrorist attacks, Obama will have blood on his hands.about the only way this works out to benefit the Admin is if they drone the Taliban commanders as they get off the plane
Fair enough. I can buy into this, I guess, if we were going to do something about it. I highly doubt the Obama administration is going to allow any charges come against the "hero" they just gave up 5 Taliban commanders for.What he thought was going to happen is irrelevant to whether we rescue him. Also irrelevant to the rescue operation is whether he caused additional American casualties by giving up valuable intelligence. Soldiers need to know that the US will do whatever it takes to bring them home, no matter what. But once home... they need to own up to what they did. And if that means we rescue them just so they can be shot by us after court martial, then so be it.Sorry, but I don't believe he needed to be rescued at all. He walked off on his own volition into enemy territory. What did he think was going to happen? The taliban was going to throw him a party?The guy was an American soldier who should have been rescued. Got it? That said...
If everyone in his unit is saying the guy was a deserter and should be shot... that should be investigated further.
What a mess. I hope we get the truth. I have about the same faith in hearsay from second hand facebook accounts as I do our gov't. Kind of reminds me of the Tillman situation.The parents of one soldier who died in Afghanistan in 2009 – allegedly during the search for Bergdahl -- told Fox News on Tuesday that their son, 2nd Lt. Darryn Andrews, regarded Bergdahl as a deserter.
“I think he should be tried as a deserter,” said his father, Andy Andrews. He and wife Sondra Andrews said they learned from posts on Facebook that their son was apparently involved in the hunt for Bergdahl when he was killed in an ambush.
If I had to bet, I would bet you believe in a larger government than I do.Fennis is a BIG GUBMENT guy. Of course he's going to go with "government".So you are going to believe the government instead of the guys in his platoon who were actually looking for him (and the govt made them sign non-disclosures to cover this up)?Sounds like the "6 dead soldiers" claim is potentially bull#### too.
They can't even say for sure if the first two that died were actually searching for him.The furious search for Sergeant Bergdahl, his critics say, led to the deaths of at least two soldiers and possibly six others in the area. Pentagon officials say those charges are unsubstantiated and are not supported by a review of a database of casualties in the Afghan war.
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A review of the database of casualties in the Afghan war suggests that Sergeant Bergdahl’s critics appear to be blaming him for every American soldier killed in Paktika Province in the four-month period that followed his disappearance.
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Good thing you don't have to bet.If I had to bet, I would bet you believe in a larger government than I do.Fennis is a BIG GUBMENT guy. Of course he's going to go with "government".So you are going to believe the government instead of the guys in his platoon who were actually looking for him (and the govt made them sign non-disclosures to cover this up)?Sounds like the "6 dead soldiers" claim is potentially bull#### too.
They can't even say for sure if the first two that died were actually searching for him.The furious search for Sergeant Bergdahl, his critics say, led to the deaths of at least two soldiers and possibly six others in the area. Pentagon officials say those charges are unsubstantiated and are not supported by a review of a database of casualties in the Afghan war.
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A review of the database of casualties in the Afghan war suggests that Sergeant Bergdahl’s critics appear to be blaming him for every American soldier killed in Paktika Province in the four-month period that followed his disappearance.
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