American held hostage by al Qaeda appeals to Obama... (1 Viewer)

[SaintsInDome2006]

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/brothers-arms-bash-bowe-bergdahl-traitor-article-1.1814106

looking at the pictures of the men who lost their lives looking for this guy makes me really sad... Six brave souls who are no longer with us bc this man went missing. The men in his platoon don't seem all that excited he is back either and his team leader does accuse him of desertion in this article.

Lives to consider besides Bergdahl's:

• US men who died looking for him, 2-6 depending on the reports
• US men who died capturing these 5 Taliban
• US men who will die when these Taliban get back into action
• US citizens who could die because of Taliban support for AQ and other terror groups - there is a war ongoing after and outside Afghanistan, see 9/11/01 attacks
• Afghan citizens including allies and innocents who died at the hands of these Taliban murderers - these are senior level people who have executed thousands at a time, including the soccer stadium killings
• Afghan citizens including allies and innocents who will die at the hands of these Taliban murderers

The tally is a long one.I will add this is one big stab in the back to the Afghan men, women and children who have fought with us and who seek to make the country a better place.

Future kidnap victims that the Taliban take in an effort to free more Guantanamo prisoners.

He wasn't kidnapped.

5-for-1 special this week and every week; come get your high value targets.

 

[Bogeys]

I heard a conservative talking head on XM on the way home yesterday (not sure if it was CNN or Fox as I was flipping back and forth during commercials) say that their theory was that this was Obamas way of closing Gitmo. He couldn't do it through Congress so he is doing an end run by emptying it of prisoners.

Don't really buy it, but it makes as much sense as any other justification I have heard.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I heard a conservative talking head on XM on the way home yesterday (not sure if it was CNN or Fox as I was flipping back and forth during commercials) say that their theory was that this was Obamas way of closing Gitmo. He couldn't do it through Congress so he is doing an end run by emptying it of prisoners.

Don't really buy it, but it makes as much sense as any other justification I have heard.

Funny. Actually I heard that theory on Maddow on msnbc last night.

Btw Chris Mathews was none too pleased with the deal. Maddow, who opened with the new EPA regs (Congress? Laws? Who needs `em?), was all about what does this do for Gitmo and the president fulfilling his 08 promises on that score.

 

[jon_mx]

I heard a conservative talking head on XM on the way home yesterday (not sure if it was CNN or Fox as I was flipping back and forth during commercials) say that their theory was that this was Obamas way of closing Gitmo. He couldn't do it through Congress so he is doing an end run by emptying it of prisoners.

Don't really buy it, but it makes as much sense as any other justification I have heard.

I think Obama is trying to wrap up the war so it is finished by the end of his administration regardless of the consequences. So he want to get rid of all Taliban detainees and the 'captured' American.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/brothers-arms-bash-bowe-bergdahl-traitor-article-1.1814106

looking at the pictures of the men who lost their lives looking for this guy makes me really sad... Six brave souls who are no longer with us bc this man went missing. The men in his platoon don't seem all that excited he is back either and his team leader does accuse him of desertion in this article.

Lives to consider besides Bergdahl's:

• US men who died looking for him, 2-6 depending on the reports
• US men who died capturing these 5 Taliban
• US men who will die when these Taliban get back into action
• US citizens who could die because of Taliban support for AQ and other terror groups - there is a war ongoing after and outside Afghanistan, see 9/11/01 attacks
• Afghan citizens including allies and innocents who died at the hands of these Taliban murderers - these are senior level people who have executed thousands at a time, including the soccer stadium killings
• Afghan citizens including allies and innocents who will die at the hands of these Taliban murderers

The tally is a long one.I will add this is one big stab in the back to the Afghan men, women and children who have fought with us and who seek to make the country a better place.

Future kidnap victims that the Taliban take in an effort to free more Guantanamo prisoners.

He wasn't kidnapped.

But it gives motivation to kidnap Americans.

Talk to me when we trade prisoners for civilians.

 

[jon_mx]

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/brothers-arms-bash-bowe-bergdahl-traitor-article-1.1814106

looking at the pictures of the men who lost their lives looking for this guy makes me really sad... Six brave souls who are no longer with us bc this man went missing. The men in his platoon don't seem all that excited he is back either and his team leader does accuse him of desertion in this article.

Lives to consider besides Bergdahl's:

• US men who died looking for him, 2-6 depending on the reports
• US men who died capturing these 5 Taliban
• US men who will die when these Taliban get back into action
• US citizens who could die because of Taliban support for AQ and other terror groups - there is a war ongoing after and outside Afghanistan, see 9/11/01 attacks
• Afghan citizens including allies and innocents who died at the hands of these Taliban murderers - these are senior level people who have executed thousands at a time, including the soccer stadium killings
• Afghan citizens including allies and innocents who will die at the hands of these Taliban murderers

The tally is a long one.I will add this is one big stab in the back to the Afghan men, women and children who have fought with us and who seek to make the country a better place.

Future kidnap victims that the Taliban take in an effort to free more Guantanamo prisoners.

He wasn't kidnapped.

But it gives motivation to kidnap Americans.

Talk to me when we trade prisoners for civilians.

Do I have to?

 

[Homer J Simpson]

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/brothers-arms-bash-bowe-bergdahl-traitor-article-1.1814106

looking at the pictures of the men who lost their lives looking for this guy makes me really sad... Six brave souls who are no longer with us bc this man went missing. The men in his platoon don't seem all that excited he is back either and his team leader does accuse him of desertion in this article.

Lives to consider besides Bergdahl's:

• US men who died looking for him, 2-6 depending on the reports
• US men who died capturing these 5 Taliban
• US men who will die when these Taliban get back into action
• US citizens who could die because of Taliban support for AQ and other terror groups - there is a war ongoing after and outside Afghanistan, see 9/11/01 attacks
• Afghan citizens including allies and innocents who died at the hands of these Taliban murderers - these are senior level people who have executed thousands at a time, including the soccer stadium killings
• Afghan citizens including allies and innocents who will die at the hands of these Taliban murderers

The tally is a long one.I will add this is one big stab in the back to the Afghan men, women and children who have fought with us and who seek to make the country a better place.

Future kidnap victims that the Taliban take in an effort to free more Guantanamo prisoners.

He wasn't kidnapped.

But it gives motivation to kidnap Americans.

Talk to me when we trade prisoners for civilians.

Do I have to?

Not directly. You can use the back channels in Qatar.

 

[jon_mx]

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/brothers-arms-bash-bowe-bergdahl-traitor-article-1.1814106

looking at the pictures of the men who lost their lives looking for this guy makes me really sad... Six brave souls who are no longer with us bc this man went missing. The men in his platoon don't seem all that excited he is back either and his team leader does accuse him of desertion in this article.

Lives to consider besides Bergdahl's:

• US men who died looking for him, 2-6 depending on the reports
• US men who died capturing these 5 Taliban
• US men who will die when these Taliban get back into action
• US citizens who could die because of Taliban support for AQ and other terror groups - there is a war ongoing after and outside Afghanistan, see 9/11/01 attacks
• Afghan citizens including allies and innocents who died at the hands of these Taliban murderers - these are senior level people who have executed thousands at a time, including the soccer stadium killings
• Afghan citizens including allies and innocents who will die at the hands of these Taliban murderers

The tally is a long one.I will add this is one big stab in the back to the Afghan men, women and children who have fought with us and who seek to make the country a better place.

Future kidnap victims that the Taliban take in an effort to free more Guantanamo prisoners.

He wasn't kidnapped.

But it gives motivation to kidnap Americans.

Talk to me when we trade prisoners for civilians.

Do I have to?

Not directly. You can use the back channels in Qatar.

Awesome. I flew through Qatar once at night. It looked like Las Vegas at night all lit up with neon. This will give me a chance to explore a bit.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/brothers-arms-bash-bowe-bergdahl-traitor-article-1.1814106

looking at the pictures of the men who lost their lives looking for this guy makes me really sad... Six brave souls who are no longer with us bc this man went missing. The men in his platoon don't seem all that excited he is back either and his team leader does accuse him of desertion in this article.

Lives to consider besides Bergdahl's:

• US men who died looking for him, 2-6 depending on the reports
• US men who died capturing these 5 Taliban
• US men who will die when these Taliban get back into action
• US citizens who could die because of Taliban support for AQ and other terror groups - there is a war ongoing after and outside Afghanistan, see 9/11/01 attacks
• Afghan citizens including allies and innocents who died at the hands of these Taliban murderers - these are senior level people who have executed thousands at a time, including the soccer stadium killings
• Afghan citizens including allies and innocents who will die at the hands of these Taliban murderers

The tally is a long one.I will add this is one big stab in the back to the Afghan men, women and children who have fought with us and who seek to make the country a better place.

Future kidnap victims that the Taliban take in an effort to free more Guantanamo prisoners.

He wasn't kidnapped.

But it gives motivation to kidnap Americans.

Talk to me when we trade prisoners for civilians.

Well Homer, so far so good, they are still just killing foreign civilians it seems.

Deadly Attack at Kabul Restaurant Hints at Changing Climate for ForeignersKABUL, Afghanistan — As country director for the International Monetary Fund, Wabel Abdallah spent years navigating the shoals of scandal in Afghanistan’s financial sector. Vadim Nazarov, a top political officer at the United Nations, dedicated himself over the past nine years to looking for a peaceful solution to the Afghan war. Dhamender Singh Phangurha, a British candidate in the coming elections for the European Parliament, was here on a consulting contract.

All three happened to be dining Friday at a popular Lebanese restaurant in downtown Kabul, where they were among 21 people killed in an attack for which the Taliban has claimed responsibility. Among the foreigners here, now roughly a few thousand, the attack underscored a shifting reality as the war winds down: life for international workers may be becoming more dangerous and circumscribed.

For years, foreigners have enjoyed relatively unrestricted activity in the capital, including access to a handful of Western-style restaurants and weekly parties brimming with music and alcohol. Though attacks were common enough, they rarely targeted Western civilians, and the danger could be ignored as the presence of the Western military coalition persevered and even expanded.

Kabul during the Afghan war never grew as violent as Baghdad during the Iraq war. But as the coalition’s gradual withdrawal becomes more apparent with each passing month, it has grown harder to dismiss the obvious vulnerabilities of life here. While the insurgents have largely focused their anger on military installations and government institutions, the attack on the restaurant, Taverna du Liban, a mainstay of the Kabul social scene that catered mainly to foreigners but also to well-to-do Afghans, showed a frightening willingness by the insurgents to strike noncombatants and civilian targets.

The attack, which the Taliban said was in retaliation for a coalition airstrike on Wednesday in which a number of Afghan civilians had died in a village north of Kabul, took the lives of 13 foreigners from at least a half-dozen countries, including the United States, Canada, Britain, Russia and Lebanon. It constituted one of the largest losses of life for Western civilians since the war began more than a decade ago.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/19/world/asia/afghanistan-restaurant-attack.html?_r=0

So, yeah, on the same day we're supposed to be entering a new phase of peace talks with the Taliban (according to Tim), which haven't happened yet btw, why that's the same day they choose to ramp up their attacks on foreigners.

Message sent, right?

 

[Homer J Simpson]

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/brothers-arms-bash-bowe-bergdahl-traitor-article-1.1814106

looking at the pictures of the men who lost their lives looking for this guy makes me really sad... Six brave souls who are no longer with us bc this man went missing. The men in his platoon don't seem all that excited he is back either and his team leader does accuse him of desertion in this article.

Lives to consider besides Bergdahl's:

• US men who died looking for him, 2-6 depending on the reports
• US men who died capturing these 5 Taliban
• US men who will die when these Taliban get back into action
• US citizens who could die because of Taliban support for AQ and other terror groups - there is a war ongoing after and outside Afghanistan, see 9/11/01 attacks
• Afghan citizens including allies and innocents who died at the hands of these Taliban murderers - these are senior level people who have executed thousands at a time, including the soccer stadium killings
• Afghan citizens including allies and innocents who will die at the hands of these Taliban murderers

The tally is a long one.I will add this is one big stab in the back to the Afghan men, women and children who have fought with us and who seek to make the country a better place.

Future kidnap victims that the Taliban take in an effort to free more Guantanamo prisoners.

He wasn't kidnapped.

But it gives motivation to kidnap Americans.

Talk to me when we trade prisoners for civilians.

Well Homer, so far so good, they are still just killing foreign civilians it seems.

Deadly Attack at Kabul Restaurant Hints at Changing Climate for Foreigners

KABUL, Afghanistan As country director for the International Monetary Fund, Wabel Abdallah spent years navigating the shoals of scandal in Afghanistans financial sector. Vadim Nazarov, a top political officer at the United Nations, dedicated himself over the past nine years to looking for a peaceful solution to the Afghan war. Dhamender Singh Phangurha, a British candidate in the coming elections for the European Parliament, was here on a consulting contract.

All three happened to be dining Friday at a popular Lebanese restaurant in downtown Kabul, where they were among 21 people killed in an attack for which the Taliban has claimed responsibility. Among the foreigners here, now roughly a few thousand, the attack underscored a shifting reality as the war winds down: life for international workers may be becoming more dangerous and circumscribed.

For years, foreigners have enjoyed relatively unrestricted activity in the capital, including access to a handful of Western-style restaurants and weekly parties brimming with music and alcohol. Though attacks were common enough, they rarely targeted Western civilians, and the danger could be ignored as the presence of the Western military coalition persevered and even expanded.

Kabul during the Afghan war never grew as violent as Baghdad during the Iraq war. But as the coalitions gradual withdrawal becomes more apparent with each passing month, it has grown harder to dismiss the obvious vulnerabilities of life here. While the insurgents have largely focused their anger on military installations and government institutions, the attack on the restaurant, Taverna du Liban, a mainstay of the Kabul social scene that catered mainly to foreigners but also to well-to-do Afghans, showed a frightening willingness by the insurgents to strike noncombatants and civilian targets.

The attack, which the Taliban said was in retaliation for a coalition airstrike on Wednesday in which a number of Afghan civilians had died in a village north of Kabul, took the lives of 13 foreigners from at least a half-dozen countries, including the United States, Canada, Britain, Russia and Lebanon. It constituted one of the largest losses of life for Western civilians since the war began more than a decade ago.

...

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/19/world/asia/afghanistan-restaurant-attack.html?_r=0

So, yeah, on the same day we're supposed to be entering a new phase of peace talks with the Taliban (according to Tim), which haven't happened yet btw, why that's the same day they choose to ramp up their attacks on foreigners.

Message sent, right?

So you're saying this attack is a result of the POW exchange?

 

[Mister Martie]

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/brothers-arms-bash-bowe-bergdahl-traitor-article-1.1814106

looking at the pictures of the men who lost their lives looking for this guy makes me really sad... Six brave souls who are no longer with us bc this man went missing. The men in his platoon don't seem all that excited he is back either and his team leader does accuse him of desertion in this article.

Lives to consider besides Bergdahl's:

• US men who died looking for him, 2-6 depending on the reports
• US men who died capturing these 5 Taliban
• US men who will die when these Taliban get back into action
• US citizens who could die because of Taliban support for AQ and other terror groups - there is a war ongoing after and outside Afghanistan, see 9/11/01 attacks
• Afghan citizens including allies and innocents who died at the hands of these Taliban murderers - these are senior level people who have executed thousands at a time, including the soccer stadium killings
• Afghan citizens including allies and innocents who will die at the hands of these Taliban murderers

The tally is a long one.I will add this is one big stab in the back to the Afghan men, women and children who have fought with us and who seek to make the country a better place.

Future kidnap victims that the Taliban take in an effort to free more Guantanamo prisoners.

He wasn't kidnapped.

But it gives motivation to kidnap Americans.

Talk to me when we trade prisoners for civilians.

Well Homer, so far so good, they are still just killing foreign civilians it seems.

Deadly Attack at Kabul Restaurant Hints at Changing Climate for Foreigners

KABUL, Afghanistan As country director for the International Monetary Fund, Wabel Abdallah spent years navigating the shoals of scandal in Afghanistans financial sector. Vadim Nazarov, a top political officer at the United Nations, dedicated himself over the past nine years to looking for a peaceful solution to the Afghan war. Dhamender Singh Phangurha, a British candidate in the coming elections for the European Parliament, was here on a consulting contract.

All three happened to be dining Friday at a popular Lebanese restaurant in downtown Kabul, where they were among 21 people killed in an attack for which the Taliban has claimed responsibility. Among the foreigners here, now roughly a few thousand, the attack underscored a shifting reality as the war winds down: life for international workers may be becoming more dangerous and circumscribed.

For years, foreigners have enjoyed relatively unrestricted activity in the capital, including access to a handful of Western-style restaurants and weekly parties brimming with music and alcohol. Though attacks were common enough, they rarely targeted Western civilians, and the danger could be ignored as the presence of the Western military coalition persevered and even expanded.

Kabul during the Afghan war never grew as violent as Baghdad during the Iraq war. But as the coalitions gradual withdrawal becomes more apparent with each passing month, it has grown harder to dismiss the obvious vulnerabilities of life here. While the insurgents have largely focused their anger on military installations and government institutions, the attack on the restaurant, Taverna du Liban, a mainstay of the Kabul social scene that catered mainly to foreigners but also to well-to-do Afghans, showed a frightening willingness by the insurgents to strike noncombatants and civilian targets.

The attack, which the Taliban said was in retaliation for a coalition airstrike on Wednesday in which a number of Afghan civilians had died in a village north of Kabul, took the lives of 13 foreigners from at least a half-dozen countries, including the United States, Canada, Britain, Russia and Lebanon. It constituted one of the largest losses of life for Western civilians since the war began more than a decade ago.

...

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/19/world/asia/afghanistan-restaurant-attack.html?_r=0

So, yeah, on the same day we're supposed to be entering a new phase of peace talks with the Taliban (according to Tim), which haven't happened yet btw, why that's the same day they choose to ramp up their attacks on foreigners.

Message sent, right?

So you're saying this attack is a result of the POW exchange?

I've never heard of violence in Kabul before today, have you? That's what I thought.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

 

[msommer]

Seems like a no win situation.

Leave him: "Why doesn't Obama bring back our soldiers"

Trade for him: "Why negotiate with terrorists"

Drone strike him: "Our military is killing our old soldiers"

How many guys are left in Gitmo and how far from functioning are they by now?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

But it gives motivation to kidnap Americans.

Talk to me when we trade prisoners for civilians.

Well Homer, so far so good, they are still just killing foreign civilians it seems.

Deadly Attack at Kabul Restaurant Hints at Changing Climate for Foreigners

KABUL, Afghanistan As country director for the International Monetary Fund, Wabel Abdallah spent years navigating the shoals of scandal in Afghanistans financial sector. Vadim Nazarov, a top political officer at the United Nations, dedicated himself over the past nine years to looking for a peaceful solution to the Afghan war. Dhamender Singh Phangurha, a British candidate in the coming elections for the European Parliament, was here on a consulting contract.

All three happened to be dining Friday at a popular Lebanese restaurant in downtown Kabul, where they were among 21 people killed in an attack for which the Taliban has claimed responsibility. Among the foreigners here, now roughly a few thousand, the attack underscored a shifting reality as the war winds down: life for international workers may be becoming more dangerous and circumscribed.

For years, foreigners have enjoyed relatively unrestricted activity in the capital, including access to a handful of Western-style restaurants and weekly parties brimming with music and alcohol. Though attacks were common enough, they rarely targeted Western civilians, and the danger could be ignored as the presence of the Western military coalition persevered and even expanded.

Kabul during the Afghan war never grew as violent as Baghdad during the Iraq war. But as the coalitions gradual withdrawal becomes more apparent with each passing month, it has grown harder to dismiss the obvious vulnerabilities of life here. While the insurgents have largely focused their anger on military installations and government institutions, the attack on the restaurant, Taverna du Liban, a mainstay of the Kabul social scene that catered mainly to foreigners but also to well-to-do Afghans, showed a frightening willingness by the insurgents to strike noncombatants and civilian targets.

The attack, which the Taliban said was in retaliation for a coalition airstrike on Wednesday in which a number of Afghan civilians had died in a village north of Kabul, took the lives of 13 foreigners from at least a half-dozen countries, including the United States, Canada, Britain, Russia and Lebanon. It constituted one of the largest losses of life for Western civilians since the war began more than a decade ago.

...

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/19/world/asia/afghanistan-restaurant-attack.html?_r=0

So, yeah, on the same day we're supposed to be entering a new phase of peace talks with the Taliban (according to Tim), which haven't happened yet btw, why that's the same day they choose to ramp up their attacks on foreigners.

Message sent, right?

So you're saying this attack is a result of the POW exchange?

I've never heard of violence in Kabul before today, have you? That's what I thought.

Well if you read the actual article, yes there is a marked difference:

But apart from an attack in early 2011 on a Kabul supermarket that catered to Westerners, there were few other obvious attempts to attack foreigners in the capital in recent history.

My point is that Tim's point that this deal is part some of some peace negotiation with the Taliban is boulderdash.

Quite the opposite, attacks, and attacks on foreigners in Kabul, are up.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Yes, we're certainly bringing the Taliban to the table:

We shall thank almighty for this great victory. The sacrifice of our Mujahedin have resulted in the release of our senior leaders from the hand of the enemy.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/bowe-bergdahl-released/taliban-leader-mullah-omar-calls-bowe-bergdahl-swap-victory-n119816

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Well if you read the actual article, yes there is a marked difference:

But apart from an attack in early 2011 on a Kabul supermarket that catered to Westerners, there were few other obvious attempts to attack foreigners in the capital in recent history.

My point is that Tim's point that this deal is part some of some peace negotiation with the Taliban is boulderdash.

Quite the opposite, attacks, and attacks on foreigners in Kabul, are up.

If you want to have that argument with Tim, knock yourself out. But saying the Kabul attack is a result of this exchange is silly.

 

[mr roboto]

Well if you read the actual article, yes there is a marked difference:

But apart from an attack in early 2011 on a Kabul supermarket that catered to Westerners, there were few other obvious attempts to attack foreigners in the capital in recent history.

My point is that Tim's point that this deal is part some of some peace negotiation with the Taliban is boulderdash.

Quite the opposite, attacks, and attacks on foreigners in Kabul, are up.

If you want to have that argument with Tim, knock yourself out. But saying the Kabul attack is a result of this exchange is silly.

Agreed. There's plenty to criticize about this mess without making #### up.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Well if you read the actual article, yes there is a marked difference:

But apart from an attack in early 2011 on a Kabul supermarket that catered to Westerners, there were few other obvious attempts to attack foreigners in the capital in recent history.

My point is that Tim's point that this deal is part some of some peace negotiation with the Taliban is boulderdash.

Quite the opposite, attacks, and attacks on foreigners in Kabul, are up.

If you want to have that argument with Tim, knock yourself out. But saying the Kabul attack is a result of this exchange is silly.

Ok, I'm not saying that.

I was being sarcastic in a longhanded way in response to you of saying that there are no new kidnappings of foreigners but killings are up.

The attack in Kabul and the NYT is worth noting in and of itself.

 

[juanjuan]

Yes, we're certainly bringing the Taliban to the table.

Bad idea. A table is a sign of Western supremacy. We should show respect to the Taliban's culture by bringing them to the flattest boulder.

 

[Billy Bats]

I heard a conservative talking head on XM on the way home yesterday (not sure if it was CNN or Fox as I was flipping back and forth during commercials) say that their theory was that this was Obamas way of closing Gitmo. He couldn't do it through Congress so he is doing an end run by emptying it of prisoners.

Don't really buy it, but it makes as much sense as any other justification I have heard.

Funny. Actually I heard that theory on Maddow on msnbc last night.

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Dr D suggested that theory 4 pages ago, and he's the go to for military opinion.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I heard a conservative talking head on XM on the way home yesterday (not sure if it was CNN or Fox as I was flipping back and forth during commercials) say that their theory was that this was Obamas way of closing Gitmo. He couldn't do it through Congress so he is doing an end run by emptying it of prisoners.

Don't really buy it, but it makes as much sense as any other justification I have heard.

Funny. Actually I heard that theory on Maddow on msnbc last night.

.

Dr D suggested that theory 4 pages ago, and he's the go to for military opinion.

Yeah I saw that, typically great insight.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Saints you realize that Rush and Glenn and Rove get paid to be full-time partisan critics of the Obama administration under all circumstances, right?

You're doing it wrong.

 

[Bogeys]

I heard a conservative talking head on XM on the way home yesterday (not sure if it was CNN or Fox as I was flipping back and forth during commercials) say that their theory was that this was Obamas way of closing Gitmo. He couldn't do it through Congress so he is doing an end run by emptying it of prisoners.

Don't really buy it, but it makes as much sense as any other justification I have heard.

Funny. Actually I heard that theory on Maddow on msnbc last night.

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Dr D suggested that theory 4 pages ago, and he's the go to for military opinion.

Didn't catch that. And I agree on DrD's opinions with regard to military matters.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Saints you realize that Rush and Glenn and Rove get paid to be full-time partisan critics of the Obama administration under all circumstances, right?

You're doing it wrong.

Oddly enough Afghanistan was probably one of the few places I did support him 100%. Anyway I can type less and read more, I do get into these discussions, care and am interested. Don't mean to be heavy handed, respect to all.

 

[msommer]

Other possibility is that this was part of the negotiation to get the negotiations with Taliban going

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Well if you read the actual article, yes there is a marked difference:

But apart from an attack in early 2011 on a Kabul supermarket that catered to Westerners, there were few other obvious attempts to attack foreigners in the capital in recent history.

My point is that Tim's point that this deal is part some of some peace negotiation with the Taliban is boulderdash.

Quite the opposite, attacks, and attacks on foreigners in Kabul, are up.

If you want to have that argument with Tim, knock yourself out. But saying the Kabul attack is a result of this exchange is silly.

Ok, I'm not saying that.

I was being sarcastic in a longhanded way in response to you of saying that there are no new kidnappings of foreigners but killings are up.

The attack in Kabul and the NYT is worth noting in and of itself.

Gotcha.

IMO, Afghanistan will be a cluster#### regardless, so I think this deal is completely meaningless in regards to events on the ground there.

 

[Kal El]

Well if you read the actual article, yes there is a marked difference:

But apart from an attack in early 2011 on a Kabul supermarket that catered to Westerners, there were few other obvious attempts to attack foreigners in the capital in recent history.

My point is that Tim's point that this deal is part some of some peace negotiation with the Taliban is boulderdash.

Quite the opposite, attacks, and attacks on foreigners in Kabul, are up.

If you want to have that argument with Tim, knock yourself out. But saying the Kabul attack is a result of this exchange is silly.

Ok, I'm not saying that.

I was being sarcastic in a longhanded way in response to you of saying that there are no new kidnappings of foreigners but killings are up.

The attack in Kabul and the NYT is worth noting in and of itself.

Gotcha.

IMO, Afghanistan will be a cluster#### regardless, so I think this deal is completely meaningless in regards to events on the ground there.

I have to agree, Afghanistan isn't going to be a very nice place to live once the US leaves.

 

[avoiding injuries]

Well if you read the actual article, yes there is a marked difference:

But apart from an attack in early 2011 on a Kabul supermarket that catered to Westerners, there were few other obvious attempts to attack foreigners in the capital in recent history.

My point is that Tim's point that this deal is part some of some peace negotiation with the Taliban is boulderdash.

Quite the opposite, attacks, and attacks on foreigners in Kabul, are up.

If you want to have that argument with Tim, knock yourself out. But saying the Kabul attack is a result of this exchange is silly.

Ok, I'm not saying that.

I was being sarcastic in a longhanded way in response to you of saying that there are no new kidnappings of foreigners but killings are up.

The attack in Kabul and the NYT is worth noting in and of itself.

Gotcha.

IMO, Afghanistan will be a cluster#### regardless, so I think this deal is completely meaningless in regards to events on the ground there.

I have to agree, Afghanistan isn't going to be a very nice place to live once the US leaves.

Oh well. We tried.

 

[BassNBrew]

I made the point earlier that a lot more was involved, but it's no conspiracy. There are delicate negotiations that have to be achieved to insure our withdrawal from Afghanistan.

Now this soldier sounds like a loser, a deserter, and/or an idealistic fool. But he was a POW and as such it was an important point of honor to free him.

As for releasing 5 members of the Taliban, it's meaningless in terms of security. We could release 500 members of the Taliban and it would make no difference, because their infrastructure has been destroyed.

You end up being wrong more often than not when you make statements like this. I hope for once you are correct.

 

[Hang 10]

Saints you realize that Rush and Glenn and Rove get paid to be full-time partisan critics of the Obama administration under all circumstances, right?

You're doing it wrong.

 

[VA703]

Cuban spy calls for prisoner swap, like with Taliban

http://news.yahoo.com/cuban-spy-calls-prisoner-swap-taliban-190107995.html;_ylt=AwrBJSARy4xTM2MA4c_QtDMD

aaand it has begun

 

[glock]

Rear Adm. John F. Kirby, the Pentagon spokesman, said that there was a larger matter at play: The American military does not leave soldiers behind. “When you’re in the Navy, and you go overboard, it doesn’t matter if you were pushed, fell or jumped,” he said. “We’re going to turn the ship around and pick you up."

Now imagine if Obama weren't black...or a Democrat.

Carry on.

 

[squistion]

Culture of Truth @Bobblespeak

Background checks for gun purchases: No

Background checks of soldiers to see if they "worthy" of being rescued: Yes

 

[avoiding injuries]

Rear Adm. John F. Kirby, the Pentagon spokesman, said that there was a larger matter at play: The American military does not leave soldiers behind. When youre in the Navy, and you go overboard, it doesnt matter if you were pushed, fell or jumped, he said. Were going to turn the ship around and pick you up."

Now imagine if Obama weren't black...or a Democrat.

Carry on.

Come on. This is being criticized by dems and reps, probably more reps so your democrat claim isn't entirely absurd. It's embarrassing that you're trying to bring race into this.

 

[HellToupee]

Rear Adm. John F. Kirby, the Pentagon spokesman, said that there was a larger matter at play: The American military does not leave soldiers behind. When youre in the Navy, and you go overboard, it doesnt matter if you were pushed, fell or jumped, he said. Were going to turn the ship around and pick you up."

Now imagine if Obama weren't black...or a Democrat.

Carry on.

Come on. This is being criticized by dems and reps, probably more reps so your democrat claim isn't entirely absurd. It's embarrassing that you're trying to bring race into this.

 

[dickey moe]

All things considered, did it absolutely have to be a 5 for 1 deal? Negotiation skills down?

 

[glock]

Rear Adm. John F. Kirby, the Pentagon spokesman, said that there was a larger matter at play: The American military does not leave soldiers behind. When youre in the Navy, and you go overboard, it doesnt matter if you were pushed, fell or jumped, he said. Were going to turn the ship around and pick you up."

Now imagine if Obama weren't black...or a Democrat.

Carry on.

Come on. This is being criticized by dems and reps, probably more reps so your democrat claim isn't entirely absurd. It's embarrassing that you're trying to bring race into this.

Oh, come on. I was riffing on the whole, "Imagine if he were black." thing.

Do you agree with Rear Admiral Kirby or not? Because it does seem like a lot of our more right leaning supporters of our military sure do seem to have forgotten that policy. If he needs to face court marshal now, so be it. Getting him back was still important.

 

[glock]

All things considered, did it absolutely have to be a 5 for 1 deal? Negotiation skills down?

I'm guessing it remains to be seen if we got anything else out of the deal...

 

[Jim11]

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/dempsey-army-may-still-pursue-desertion-charges

The Army may still pursue an investigation that could lead to desertion or other charges against Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, who was freed from five years of Taliban captivity in a prisoner exchange last weekend, Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said Tuesday.

There are a variety of offenses related to an absence without proper approval, and a number of potential actions could be taken by the military. He could be tried by court martial under the Uniform Code of Military Justice for desertion; he could be given a non-judicial punishment for a lesser charge, such as being away without leave. And he could be given credit for time already served while he was a prisoner.

 

[JuniorNB]

All things considered, did it absolutely have to be a 5 for 1 deal? Negotiation skills down?

I heard we also get a soldier to be named later.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Culture of Truth @Bobblespeak

Background checks for gun purchases: No

Background checks of soldiers to see if they "worthy" of being rescued: Yes

you really thought that was clever enough to share?

 

[Reaper]

If this were in my league, I'd reject the trade on the spot and ban the owner for collusion.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Cuban spy calls for prisoner swap, like with Taliban

http://news.yahoo.com/cuban-spy-calls-prisoner-swap-taliban-190107995.html;_ylt=AwrBJSARy4xTM2MA4c_QtDMD

aaand it has begun

What, people making idiotic requests? My word, whatever will we do?

 

[Jackstraw]

Member when Bibi Netanyahoo traded over 1,000 palestinian prisoners for one Israeli solider?

Also too can someone break down to me which US servicemen are worthy of recovery and which aren't?

 

[glock]

Member when Bibi Netanyahoo traded over 1,000 palestinian prisoners for one Israeli solider?

Also too can someone break down to me which US servicemen are worthy of recovery and which aren't?

 

[timschochet]

Member when Bibi Netanyahoo traded over 1,000 palestinian prisoners for one Israeli solider?

I raised this issue yesterday. First I was told that Israel was unique. Then Da Guru made an anti-Semitic remark. Then several other people here told me that I ruined the thread.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Member when Bibi Netanyahoo traded over 1,000 palestinian prisoners for one Israeli solider?

I raised this issue yesterday. First I was told that Israel was unique. Then Da Guru made an anti-Semitic remark. Then several other people here told me that I ruined the thread.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Member when Bibi Netanyahoo traded over 1,000 palestinian prisoners for one Israeli solider?

I raised this issue yesterday. First I was told that Israel was unique. Then Da Guru made an anti-Semitic remark. Then several other people here told me that I ruined the thread.

Way to ruin the thread.

 

[Bogeys]

Member when Bibi Netanyahoo traded over 1,000 palestinian prisoners for one Israeli solider?

I raised this issue yesterday. First I was told that Israel was unique. Then Da Guru made an anti-Semitic remark. Then several other people here told me that I ruined the thread.

No, you say Israel is unique when it suits whatever point you are trying to make (IE: immigration, not giving voting right to non jews, etc) I asked you to back up why it wouldn't be unique in this situation when you tried to use it as an example to further your argument.

Here, I will help by pasting the exchange below:

Israel traded hundreds of terrorists to get one soldier back.

If Obama had refused this deal, he would have been heavily criticized by many of the same people ripping him now.

You tell us all the time how Israel and its position is unique so now you are using it for justification?

And if Obama had refused the deal we never would have known about it so how could it be criticized?

I swear you are just as bad as the guys that on reflex defended GWB on everything because of the attacks from the left.

There's plenty to criticize Obama about. I've done my share. But this is crap.Wlll Oliver North show up on Fox and rip Obama for this?

Read your posts in the last few years and compare it to the GWB fanboys...same coin.

I also noticed you didn't actually respond to either point I brought up. And why bring up Fox and Ollie except to deflect?

Israel's unique position has nothing to do with this issue. I brought Israel up because of the trade, no other reason. I think their trading hundreds of terrorists for one guy puts this trade in some context.If Obama had vetoed this trade, it might have been leaked. If It had been leaked it would have been criticized.

 

[MaxThreshold]

This is going exactly as planned.

Qatar allowing freed Taliban men to move freely in country: Gulf official

"All five men received medical checks and they now live with their families in an accommodation facility in Doha," the Gulf source, who declined to be identified, told Reuters. "They can move around freely within the country."

"Under the deal they have to stay in Qatar for a year and then they will be allowed to travel outside the country... They can go back to Afghanistan if they want to," the official said.