American Sniper - Clint Eastwood's latest movie (1 Viewer)

[cstu]

And then CSTU did the Michael Moore thing and implied American soldiers are like Nazi's.

I implied Chris Kyle had the mentality of someone who could have been a Nazi.

 

[cstu]

Wtf is going on in here? Are we really at the point where we can't all at least agree to honor vets?

I honor all vets who don't open their mouths and sound like a Nazi or a racist.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

And then CSTU did the Michael Moore thing and implied American soldiers are like Nazi's.

I implied Chris Kyle had the mentality of someone who could have been a Nazi.

 

[jon_mx]

And then CSTU did the Michael Moore thing and implied American soldiers are like Nazi's.

I implied Chris Kyle had the mentality of someone who could have been a Nazi.

What Chris Kyle articulated was something the vast majority of soldiers who have ever fought any war would agree with. To equate that to Nazi mentality is beyond stupid. That is darn nearly like saying Chris Kyle had two feet......just like the Nazis.

 

[Shawnky]

What Shawnky listens to when posting in this thread https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWHOF_0-6Hg

What lil Em jerks it to in his mom's basement https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryDOy3AosBw

 

[sublimeone]

Really enjoyed this film. Glad Eastwood was able to share Chris Kyle's story.

 

[RBM]

And then CSTU did the Michael Moore thing and implied American soldiers are like Nazi's.

I implied Chris Kyle had the mentality of someone who could have been a Nazi.

Oh man, jeez. So you feel that way about most who serve or you think Kyle was that much different than the other men and women?

 

[popsecret]

And then CSTU did the Michael Moore thing and implied American soldiers are like Nazi's.

I implied Chris Kyle had the mentality of someone who could have been a Nazi.

Basic human understanding tells us most people could have been a nazi if they were born in Germany during that time period.

 

[jon_mx]

And then CSTU did the Michael Moore thing and implied American soldiers are like Nazi's.

I implied Chris Kyle had the mentality of someone who could have been a Nazi.

Basic human understanding tells us most people could have been a nazi if they were born in Germany during that time period.

Would being born in San Francisco make you gay?

 

[popsecret]

And then CSTU did the Michael Moore thing and implied American soldiers are like Nazi's.

I implied Chris Kyle had the mentality of someone who could have been a Nazi.

Basic human understanding tells us most people could have been a nazi if they were born in Germany during that time period.

Would being born in San Francisco make you gay?

It would probably increase your chances of being gay since no one is born gay and it is a learned behavior either through a traumatic experience OR constant brainwashing

I know your question is trolling what I said but I am right

Here is another example to prove that

Look at how white people born around the time of slavery had no problem using black people as slaves, those same people born today would be morally outraged at the thought.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Wtf is going on in here? Are we really at the point where we can't all at least agree to honor vets?

I think there are some who really view the U.S. as similar to Nazis. Kind of disturbing but very telling at the same time.

Very disturbing. It's shocking how radicalized the Left has become the last few years. 1/20/17 can't come soon enough.

Oy. No. Exactly the opposite of all of that.

I've heard the canard repeated over and over that Obama is the most liberal president the country has ever seen. You know how I know this is a lie? Liberals hate Obama. Obama is a centrist. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are practically the only important liberals left in politics.

 

[popsecret]

Wtf is going on in here? Are we really at the point where we can't all at least agree to honor vets?

I think there are some who really view the U.S. as similar to Nazis. Kind of disturbing but very telling at the same time.

Very disturbing. It's shocking how radicalized the Left has become the last few years. 1/20/17 can't come soon enough.

Oy. No. Exactly the opposite of all of that.

I've heard the canard repeated over and over that Obama is the most liberal president the country has ever seen. You know how I know this is a lie? Liberals hate Obama. Obama is a centrist. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are practically the only important liberals left in politics.

Liberals hate Obama so much that they voted twice for him, seems legit

 

[jdoggydogg]

Look, I'm the biggest Liberal pinko commie in this forum. But any Liberal with a brain doesn't hate our soldiers.

The most fascinating aspect of the American Sniper discussion are the claims that the movie doesn't ask tough questions like, "Why were we even in Iraq and Afghanistan?" The argument that our soldiers are fighting for our freedoms seems irrelevant. Soldiers do not get to choose which wars they fight. They are told to follow orders. Since soldiers are pressed into service fighting very controversial wars, all they can do is fight for each other and protect the men and women along side them in battle.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Wtf is going on in here? Are we really at the point where we can't all at least agree to honor vets?

I think there are some who really view the U.S. as similar to Nazis. Kind of disturbing but very telling at the same time.

Very disturbing. It's shocking how radicalized the Left has become the last few years. 1/20/17 can't come soon enough.

Oy. No. Exactly the opposite of all of that.

I've heard the canard repeated over and over that Obama is the most liberal president the country has ever seen. You know how I know this is a lie? Liberals hate Obama. Obama is a centrist. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are practically the only important liberals left in politics.

Liberals hate Obama so much that they voted twice for him, seems legit

Some liberals voted for him reluctantly, others voted for the green party candidate. Obama didn't win because he dominated the Liberal vote. He won because he netted the vote of millions of middle-of-the-road centrists.

 

[squistion]

Wtf is going on in here? Are we really at the point where we can't all at least agree to honor vets?

I think there are some who really view the U.S. as similar to Nazis. Kind of disturbing but very telling at the same time.

Very disturbing. It's shocking how radicalized the Left has become the last few years. 1/20/17 can't come soon enough.

Oy. No. Exactly the opposite of all of that.

I've heard the canard repeated over and over that Obama is the most liberal president the country has ever seen. You know how I know this is a lie? Liberals hate Obama. Obama is a centrist. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are practically the only important liberals left in politics.

Liberals hate Obama so much that they voted twice for him, seems legit

Um, that's because the alternatives were McCain or Romney. And for the record, most of us progressives/liberals don't hate or dislike Obama, just disappointed that he hasn't lived up to our expectations.

 

[RBM]

Wtf is going on in here? Are we really at the point where we can't all at least agree to honor vets?

I think there are some who really view the U.S. as similar to Nazis. Kind of disturbing but very telling at the same time.

Very disturbing. It's shocking how radicalized the Left has become the last few years. 1/20/17 can't come soon enough.

Oy. No. Exactly the opposite of all of that. I've heard the canard repeated over and over that Obama is the most liberal president the country has ever seen. You know how I know this is a lie? Liberals hate Obama. Obama is a centrist. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are practically the only important liberals left in politics.

Liberals hate Obama so much that they voted twice for him, seems legit

Um, that's because the alternatives were Bush or Romney. And for the record, most of us progressives/liberals don't hate or dislike Obama, just disappointed that he hasn't lived up to our expectations.

Wooooo...he never ran against Bush chumpstain.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Um, that's because the alternatives were Bush or Romney. And for the record, most of us progressives/liberals don't hate or dislike Obama, just disappointed that he hasn't lived up to our expectations.

...and this is the most interesting point: Obama became the hopes and dreams of ever liberal personified. People were disappointed that Obama wasn't another Jimmy Carter when he never claimed he was the next Jimmy Carter.

 

[flapgreen]

Wtf is going on in here? Are we really at the point where we can't all at least agree to honor vets?

I think there are some who really view the U.S. as similar to Nazis. Kind of disturbing but very telling at the same time.

Yeah, we should agree with everything our gov't and military does. How's that anything similar to Nazi Germany?While my statement is laced with sarcasm, it's getting kind of ridiculous how so many are so consumed with "patriotism" that they take the "either you're for us or against us" stance.

I don't see that stance being taken at all. I think jon_mx and other "conservatives" have been pretty fair and measured in here. Most of the outrageous statements have come from the Left with some fairly shocking anti-soldier rhetoric. The analogies to Nazis didn't originate with jon_mx. He was responding to a few different posts where those parallels were drawn by Liberals.

The longer you deny the apt comparison the longer the comparison remains true.

Exactly. You don't see that stance because jon, rbm, and yourself are the three stooges. I guess flap would be shemp.

I'll take that as a compliment.

 

[urbanhack]

Wtf is going on in here? Are we really at the point where we can't all at least agree to honor vets?

I think there are some who really view the U.S. as similar to Nazis. Kind of disturbing but very telling at the same time.

Yeah, we should agree with everything our gov't and military does. How's that anything similar to Nazi Germany?While my statement is laced with sarcasm, it's getting kind of ridiculous how so many are so consumed with "patriotism" that they take the "either you're for us or against us" stance.

I don't see that stance being taken at all. I think jon_mx and other "conservatives" have been pretty fair and measured in here. Most of the outrageous statements have come from the Left with some fairly shocking anti-soldier rhetoric. The analogies to Nazis didn't originate with jon_mx. He was responding to a few different posts where those parallels were drawn by Liberals.

The longer you deny the apt comparison the longer the comparison remains true.

Exactly. You don't see that stance because jon, rbm, and yourself are the three stooges. I guess flap would be shemp.

I'll take that as a compliment.

Legalize Shemp

 

[MaxThreshold]

Wtf is going on in here? Are we really at the point where we can't all at least agree to honor vets?

I think there are some who really view the U.S. as similar to Nazis. Kind of disturbing but very telling at the same time.

Very disturbing. It's shocking how radicalized the Left has become the last few years. 1/20/17 can't come soon enough.

Oy. No. Exactly the opposite of all of that.

I've heard the canard repeated over and over that Obama is the most liberal president the country has ever seen. You know how I know this is a lie? Liberals hate Obama. Obama is a centrist. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are practically the only important liberals left in politics.

Pretty sure that "centrist" to the modern day progressive means Socialist. So being a Socialist isn't enough for you? That's scary.

 

[jon_mx]

Ironically, the stooges were very anti-fascist even to the point their comedy had Hitler put them on his Death List. Their comedy was leading edge stuff and extremely brave in mocking Hitler way before we even got into war. Was the first movie that really exposed Hitler for what he was. The major studios were all afraid to. It is far from an insult to be called one.

 

[Leviathan]

I finally went and saw it. It was good, in my opinion. The downside has already been discussed eg. Mustafa, etc.

The book was better...always is.

I was surprised by how quickly the jury deliberated his killer's trial. Apparently they don't mess around in Texas.

 

[squistion]

Wooooo...he never ran against Bush chumpstain.

I know that. Was in a hurry to get out the door when I posted that.

The name calling was unnecessary, but not surprising.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Wtf is going on in here? Are we really at the point where we can't all at least agree to honor vets?

I think there are some who really view the U.S. as similar to Nazis. Kind of disturbing but very telling at the same time.

Very disturbing. It's shocking how radicalized the Left has become the last few years. 1/20/17 can't come soon enough.

Oy. No. Exactly the opposite of all of that.

I've heard the canard repeated over and over that Obama is the most liberal president the country has ever seen. You know how I know this is a lie? Liberals hate Obama. Obama is a centrist. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are practically the only important liberals left in politics.

Pretty sure that "centrist" to the modern day progressive means Socialist. So being a Socialist isn't enough for you? That's scary.

Yeah, none of that is accurate.

Obama's given far too much power and money to corporations to be considered a socialist.

 

[jonessed]

And then CSTU did the Michael Moore thing and implied American soldiers are like Nazi's.

I implied Chris Kyle had the mentality of someone who could have been a Nazi.

 

[jon_mx]

Wtf is going on in here? Are we really at the point where we can't all at least agree to honor vets?

I think there are some who really view the U.S. as similar to Nazis. Kind of disturbing but very telling at the same time.

Very disturbing. It's shocking how radicalized the Left has become the last few years. 1/20/17 can't come soon enough.

Oy. No. Exactly the opposite of all of that.

I've heard the canard repeated over and over that Obama is the most liberal president the country has ever seen. You know how I know this is a lie? Liberals hate Obama. Obama is a centrist. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are practically the only important liberals left in politics.

Pretty sure that "centrist" to the modern day progressive means Socialist. So being a Socialist isn't enough for you? That's scary.

Yeah, none of that is accurate.

Obama's given far too much power and money to corporations to be considered a socialist.

Hitler gave much power and money to corporations too. Obama has the mentality of someone who could be a NAZI.

 

[Raider Nation]

Good movie overall, but I thought the sniper vs sniper angle was a little to convenient of a plot device for a biopic. Was it portrayed that way in the book?

No, that part was pretty much made up.

That part?

I liked the final scene at their house.

Of course she finally told him how proud she was of him right before he went off and got killed.

Of course he asked his son to look after the women - telling him it was a lot of responsibility - right before he went off and got killed.

Of course his wife gave the schizophrenic vet a lingering, concerned stare right before he went off and got killed.

Other than that, fantastic flick.

 

[Raider Nation]

BTW, it was painful reading this thread. GJ.

 

[MaxThreshold]

It's now the top grossing domestic movie of 2014.

 

[flapgreen]

And then CSTU did the Michael Moore thing and implied American soldiers are like Nazi's.

I implied Chris Kyle had the mentality of someone who could have been a Nazi.

Oh man, jeez. So you feel that way about most who serve or you think Kyle was that much different than the other men and women?

Looks like a no comment.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Just heard a comedian describe this movie as a live-action Team America: World Police.

 

[rockaction]

So a screening of American Sniper scheduled at the University of Michigan was cancelled, and Paddington was to be shown in its place. Yes, Paddington the bear.

Then the administration, after being roundly mocked, relented and will now show both.

University of Michigan Relents, Will Show American Sniper as Originally Planned. And Paddington Too!

To those that thought this thread was stupid because it detailed the arguments in the culture writ large about the movie? Well, it was almost too cool for school, I guess. Would you guys like some marmalade?

 

[Ned]

I watched it last night for the first time - big old fat meh. Maybe I'm numb to all of these movies, but it didn't give me any ZOMG moments. Hurt Locker was much better than this, IMO.

I liked the fake babies, though. How much money did they drop on making this moving and they used dolls? The scene where you could see Cooper moving the baby's arm with his finger was awesome.

 

[jdoggydogg]

I watched it last night for the first time - big old fat meh. Maybe I'm numb to all of these movies, but it didn't give me any ZOMG moments. Hurt Locker was much better than this, IMO.

I liked the fake babies, though. How much money did they drop on making this moving and they used dolls? The scene where you could see Cooper moving the baby's arm with his finger was awesome.

The fake baby could be the worst "effect" I've ever seen in a big budget movie. Ever.

 

[jon_mx]

I watched it last night for the first time - big old fat meh. Maybe I'm numb to all of these movies, but it didn't give me any ZOMG moments. Hurt Locker was much better than this, IMO.

I liked the fake babies, though. How much money did they drop on making this moving and they used dolls? The scene where you could see Cooper moving the baby's arm with his finger was awesome.

The fake baby could be the worst "effect" I've ever seen in a big budget movie. Ever.

Perhaps. But at least they can say no babies were harmed in the making of this movie.

 

[jdoggydogg]

I watched it last night for the first time - big old fat meh. Maybe I'm numb to all of these movies, but it didn't give me any ZOMG moments. Hurt Locker was much better than this, IMO.

I liked the fake babies, though. How much money did they drop on making this moving and they used dolls? The scene where you could see Cooper moving the baby's arm with his finger was awesome.

The fake baby could be the worst "effect" I've ever seen in a big budget movie. Ever.

Perhaps. But at least they can say no babies were harmed in the making of this movie.

The only thing harmed making this movie was good screenwriting.

 

[jon_mx]

I watched it last night for the first time - big old fat meh. Maybe I'm numb to all of these movies, but it didn't give me any ZOMG moments. Hurt Locker was much better than this, IMO.

I liked the fake babies, though. How much money did they drop on making this moving and they used dolls? The scene where you could see Cooper moving the baby's arm with his finger was awesome.

The fake baby could be the worst "effect" I've ever seen in a big budget movie. Ever.

Perhaps. But at least they can say no babies were harmed in the making of this movie.

The only thing harmed making this movie was good screenwriting.

 

[Zow]

Watching this now. My wife just commented that this is basically a video game made into a movie. I think I agree.

 

[RaiderBones]

Just watched this Saturday night. This was an excellent movie. Two thumbs up.

 

[FUBAR]

Look, I'm the biggest Liberal pinko commie in this forum. But any Liberal with a brain doesn't hate our soldiers.

The most fascinating aspect of the American Sniper discussion are the claims that the movie doesn't ask tough questions like, "Why were we even in Iraq and Afghanistan?" The argument that our soldiers are fighting for our freedoms seems irrelevant. Soldiers do not get to choose which wars they fight. They are told to follow orders. Since soldiers are pressed into service fighting very controversial wars, all they can do is fight for each other and protect the men and women along side them in battle.

the ones who did question (and there were at least a few) often didn't make it overseas for movies to be made.

or walked off base while deployed...

 

[jdoggydogg]

Look, I'm the biggest Liberal pinko commie in this forum. But any Liberal with a brain doesn't hate our soldiers.

The most fascinating aspect of the American Sniper discussion are the claims that the movie doesn't ask tough questions like, "Why were we even in Iraq and Afghanistan?" The argument that our soldiers are fighting for our freedoms seems irrelevant. Soldiers do not get to choose which wars they fight. They are told to follow orders. Since soldiers are pressed into service fighting very controversial wars, all they can do is fight for each other and protect the men and women along side them in battle.

the ones who did question (and there were at least a few) often didn't make it overseas for movies to be made.

or walked off base while deployed...

I'm not surprised.

 

[jon_mx]

It was okay I guess. Seemed cheaply made if that makes any sense.

I don't know about cheaply made so much, just very unrealistic. I think Eastwood stretched reality too far for most people to buy into it. The story was compelling enough without the nonsense.

 

[The Man With No Name]

You can get the book for only $450 http://www.ebay.com/itm/American-Sniper-Chris-Kyle-1st-/251897108168?hash=item3aa63cd6c8:g:CoMAAOSw34FVGBFT

 

[CGRdrJoe]

It was okay I guess. Seemed cheaply made if that makes any sense.

I don't know about cheaply made so much, just very unrealistic. I think Eastwood stretched reality too far for most people to buy into it. The story was compelling enough without the nonsense.

you mean the sat phone parts? Cause other than that I'm wondering what parts were unrealistic

 

[The General]

It was okay I guess. Seemed cheaply made if that makes any sense.

I don't know about cheaply made so much, just very unrealistic. I think Eastwood stretched reality too far for most people to buy into it. The story was compelling enough without the nonsense.

Exactly. I get the cheaply made comment too. Most of the scenes filmed out of battle looked like they were filmed on bad soap opera sets.

 

[The General]

It was okay I guess. Seemed cheaply made if that makes any sense.

I don't know about cheaply made so much, just very unrealistic. I think Eastwood stretched reality too far for most people to buy into it. The story was compelling enough without the nonsense.

you mean the sat phone parts? Cause other than that I'm wondering what parts were unrealistic

Th exaggerated stuff with the Mustafa guy, the dude with the drill both come to mind. They made it into almost an action movie.The trailer which was the opening scene with him being forced to make decisions that are impossible was by far the best part of the movie and what it should have been about IMO.

 

[Apple Jack]

clint likes to shoot fast and move on. that can end up looking like crap at the end of the day. this has happened a few times with his late career output.

 

[whoknew]

I think there were two movies here - a war movie and a post-war movie. Clint tried to tell both and as result, failed to tell either.

He just passed quickly over the most compelling parts. For example, how the main character felt when coming home. It's interesting that he didn't have remorse except for the men he left there. But that was given one line 1:30 into the movie.

It was a very superficial movie. But I didn't read the book - maybe that is also.

 

[flapgreen]

Loved it

 

[jon_mx]

Loved it

.Why don't you hate America?