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Amy Klobuchar for President 2020 (2 Viewers)
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IC FBGCav
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They do google kamala Harris and mnuchin.To be fair, that's likely because those reasons don't exist
The Commish
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The Commish
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Please help me connect the dots. The conversation you responded to was about Klobuchar's political positions as a "moderate" and the political positions of those labeled "extreme" or "socialist" etc. The positions are very similar yet the labels are very different. I'm really not sure what Harris, the individual has to do with it.
IC FBGCav
Footballguy
Was it specifically about Klobuchar? I thought you wanted difference. Klobuchar funding was a million from corporate law firms and lawyer's.
I dunno, what do you want? Someone here not corrupt? Can't help you.
The Commish
Footballguy
Yes....JohnnyU has labeled Kobuchar a "moderate" yet her political positions are virtually identical to all those who he has labeled "extreme", "left", "socialist" etc. The question was how he justifies the labels given that reality. Where funding comes from or who supports them wasn't part of the discussion.
rustycolts
Footballguy
Is there in your opinion a moderate Democrat that may run? Genuine question here I respect your opinion.
The Commish
Footballguy
Policy wise they are all very similar IMO. I think where people get caught up is in the presentation. Bernie's rough and gruff. Warren is similar. I can't say that any of their positions are "far left". Off hand, I can't think of many of their positions that don't get majority support by the general populace.....education perhaps? A majority of America is on board with healthcare for all at this point. And I think most are fed up with corporations and the super rich running the show from a monetary perspective. So, to answer your question, I think most of them are moderate as defined by the desires of the country's electorate. Where I disagree with JohnnyU in that conversation is labeling all those others as he has....not the other way around.
joffer
Footballguy
You don’t think Bernie is far left? Is there anyone in U.S. politics you’d consider to be far left?
The Commish
Footballguy
I think the way he approaches things lends to being "far left". He's over the top with his rhetoric towards big banks etc. I think he has SO many areas he wants to change, the sheer volume of issues he attempts to focus on can give the appearance of "far left".
Are medicare for all, living wages, providing education to the people to compete in the global economy etc "far left"? I don't think so...not anymore. Perhaps by definitions of yesteryear, but not today. They seem logical and common sense at this point. By today's standards and needs/wants of the people I'm not sure "far left" exists to someone who's relatively moderate...especially one who is fiscally conservative and relatively socially liberal. I can see how a trump supporter would see everyone not GOP as "far left", but that's not because of reality....that's because of their perspective.
Yes, socialized medicine, a $20/hr minimum wage, and free college tuition are all far left in the United States.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
I think you’re vastly overestimating Americans positions on several of these issues. Medicare for all hasn’t received the scrutiny that it will during the upcoming election. Just wait until it’s demonized by FoxNews and costs are scored by the top think tanks.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
Ok....I don't see it that way. These concepts are entrenched in our society. We've had medicare for a good while now. The argument is over where to draw the line. Public education is an even more glaring example of that. Few have a problem with the concept of public education, rather where it should stop....same with minimum wage.
timschochet
Footballguy
But the distinctions are there and they are important. Medicare is good; Medicare for all is socialism. Public education is good; free college tuition is socialism. Minimum wage is good: $20 minimum wage is socialism. And socialism is bad.
Of course none of this makes any logical sense. But it’s the prevailing attitude nonetheless and I don’t think you can win national elections by pretending it doesn’t exist.
The Commish
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sho nuff
Footballguy
It may have been unintentional...but the umbrella line was brilliant with Trumps inability to use one.
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timschochet
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SaintsInDome2006
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- I'm not sure where I'm at politically these days, but I view it as different tiers for me. On Tier 1 is ethics, decency, experience, intelligence, trust, fortitude, leadership, defense of institutions. I really don't know if Klobuchar is Presidential material yet but she's in the hopper for me.
TobiasFunke
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A thought on Klobuchar's sometimes centrist past that I'm also personally gonna apply more broadly for the upcoming election: I think it would be great if we judged all the candidates based on what they say and do now and going forward just as much as what they've done in the past, or perhaps more so. The past is still relevant, but I'm more concerned with what they've done as the party has pushed to the left after 2016. This is in line with welcoming back 2016 Trump voters who have seen the light as well, and also encourages other politicians to bend to the will of the people instead of over-valuing consistency.
As the great Shea Serrano once said in response to a regretful Trump supporter: it's always okay to #### up -- it ain't okay to stay ####ing up
As the great Shea Serrano once said in response to a regretful Trump supporter: it's always okay to #### up -- it ain't okay to stay ####ing up
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joffer
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Mister CIA
Footballguy
George Will presents a case for Amy Klobuchar
I feel like I need to learn more about Klobuchar - any good sources?
Thanks!
For all you aspiring writers - that first paragraph is how you write a good hook:
Surely the silliest aspirant for the Democrats’ 2020 presidential nomination is already known: “ Beto ,” a. k.a.Robert Francis, O’Rourke is a skateboarding man-child whose fascination with himself caused him to live-stream a recent dental appointment for — open wide, please — teeth cleaning. His journal about his post-election recuperation-through-road-trip-to-nowhere-in-particular is so without wit or interesting observations that it merits Truman Capote’s description of “On the Road” author Jack Kerouac’s work: That’s not writing, that’s typing.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
This line made me chuckle: "Klobuchar, who will be 59 in May, is the daughter of a newspaper columnist. Surmounting this handicap, she went to Yale, then to the University of Chicago Law School, then to a law firm. "Sinn Fein said:Thanks!
For all you aspiring writers - that first paragraph is how you write a good hook:
Surely the silliest aspirant for the Democrats’ 2020 presidential nomination is already known: “ Beto ,” a. k.a.Robert Francis, O’Rourke is a skateboarding man-child whose fascination with himself caused him to live-stream a recent dental appointment for — open wide, please — teeth cleaning. His journal about his post-election recuperation-through-road-trip-to-nowhere-in-particular is so without wit or interesting observations that it merits Truman Capote’s description of “On the Road” author Jack Kerouac’s work: That’s not writing, that’s typing.
And that picture of Gillibrand is rofl. Looks like Cruella DeVille moved on to black labs.
Sheriff Bart
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Mister CIA
Footballguy
Attorney General would be a nice consolation prize for either her or Kamala.ZOMG
While I agree the likes of Sen K. Harris has personable appeal someone more moderate like Sen Klobuchar will not only garner all the Democrats votes vs Trump but she will also get moderate independents as well as a few moderate conservatives. Simply put any of the Democrats progressive candidates will not.
joffer
Footballguy
while I mostly agree, Harris will most likely energize a portion of the D base that Klobuchar will not. It’s incredibly complex, at the end of the day I think likability is the biggest factor. I hope she runs, but I’m starting to think she won’t.
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I don't see how it is possible to energize the Democrats vote any more than it will be, other than to see the most hated (by Democrats)Presidents ever, defeated.What Democrat stays away from the polls if Klobuchar runs possibly allowing Trump another 4 years?
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Phil Elliott
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Klobuchar just announced on Maddow that she will be announcing this weekend her decision on 2020. “Big event on Boom Island, as in drop the mike, with hot chocolate.” She probably doesn't have hot chocolate just to say she’s not running.
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The General
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The General
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Ahe obviously pissed off someone here.
As far as scandals go this is pretty boring stuff. From what I have watched, it’s not been that much, her lack of charisma is a huge hurdle.
IC FBGCav
Footballguy
Ahe, instead of assuming she pissed me off just name her policy positions. Before you are done typing it out, it might hit you.
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joffer
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Beto, Sherrod Brown, Biden lots of the favor Dems running are pretty down the middle, no?
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