Amy Klobuchar for President 2020 (1 Viewer)

[TobiasFunke]

She's on my shortlist for support in 2020.  Fatguy makes a great point though - is she a dynamic and captivating speaker?  I hate that we've trended this way as a country, but star power > wonkiness at this point at the ballot box.  

For me one of the many lessons of 2016 is that we have no idea what works and what doesn't.   To cite just one of many examples- we have no idea what likability does next to Trump.  Clinton had many assets and I didn't have much problem with her personally, but it's hard to argue that she was likable.  It's possible that Trump's true awfulness was masked somewhat because he was sharing the stage with another person people didn't care for, and that holding him up against a genuinely decent human being that virtually everyone admires and respects will highlight his awfulness for people who currently give him the benefit of the doubt because they think all politicians suck or something.  Klobuchar might be the most likable Senator on the Hill.  The fact that it comes packaged with two decades of experience in the Senate, the toughness of a prosecutor (and presumably the debate skills to match), geographic appeal and gender appeal ... it's a lot of variables in her favor. 

Also I think the Dems could run an inanimate carbon rod against Trump in 2020 and it would make the rod the second-biggest star in America.  Whoever is tasked with the massive responsibility of taking down the worst President since slavery is gonna be an immediate superhero.

 

[tommyGunZ]

For me one of the many lessons of 2016 is that we have no idea what works and what doesn't.   To cite just one of many examples- we have no idea what likability does next to Trump.  Clinton had many assets and I didn't have much problem with her personally, but it's hard to argue that she was likable.  It's possible that Trump's true awfulness was masked somewhat because he was sharing the stage with another person people didn't care for, and that holding him up against a genuinely decent human being that virtually everyone admires and respects will highlight his awfulness for people who currently give him the benefit of the doubt because they think all politicians suck or something.  Klobuchar might be the most likable Senator on the Hill.  The fact that it comes packaged with two decades of experience in the Senate, the toughness of a prosecutor (and presumably the debate skills to match), geographic appeal and gender appeal ... it's a lot of variables in her favor. 

Also I think the Dems could run an inanimate carbon rod against Trump in 2020 and it would make the rod the second-biggest star in America.  Whoever is tasked with the massive responsibility of taking down the worst President since slavery is gonna be an immediate superhero.

Excellent points.  I look forward to getting to know her better in the coming months.  I struggle with the squeaky clean thing - I'm of the opinion that whomever the nominee is FoxNews will turn them into Hannibal Lector.  But I'll grant you that the decades old HRC-is-a-corrupt-liar narrative provided a much easier target.

Looking forward to seeing who emerges.  I was encouraged by what I saw from Beto and Gillum - they are future superstars.  

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

When functional literacy is an improvement, then sign me up for Amy or whomever checks that box.

 

[caustic]

For me one of the many lessons of 2016 is that we have no idea what works and what doesn't.   To cite just one of many examples- we have no idea what likability does next to Trump.  Clinton had many assets and I didn't have much problem with her personally, but it's hard to argue that she was likable.  It's possible that Trump's true awfulness was masked somewhat because he was sharing the stage with another person people didn't care for, and that holding him up against a genuinely decent human being that virtually everyone admires and respects will highlight his awfulness for people who currently give him the benefit of the doubt because they think all politicians suck or something.  Klobuchar might be the most likable Senator on the Hill.  The fact that it comes packaged with two decades of experience in the Senate, the toughness of a prosecutor (and presumably the debate skills to match), geographic appeal and gender appeal ... it's a lot of variables in her favor. 

Also I think the Dems could run an inanimate carbon rod against Trump in 2020 and it would make the rod the second-biggest star in America.  Whoever is tasked with the massive responsibility of taking down the worst President since slavery is gonna be an immediate superhero.

I'm inclined to agree with this, I think Klobuchar would be a very strong general election candidate for a number of reasons. My main concern is her viability in the primary - will she succeed against more dynamic personalities such as Harris/Booker/Sanders? Could she gain any traction in the south? I don't love her odds, but it's hard to make a guess either way without knowing what the field looks like. 

 

[Snotbubbles]

For me one of the many lessons of 2016 is that we have no idea what works and what doesn't.   To cite just one of many examples- we have no idea what likability does next to Trump.  Clinton had many assets and I didn't have much problem with her personally, but it's hard to argue that she was likable.  It's possible that Trump's true awfulness was masked somewhat because he was sharing the stage with another person people didn't care for, and that holding him up against a genuinely decent human being that virtually everyone admires and respects will highlight his awfulness for people who currently give him the benefit of the doubt because they think all politicians suck or something.  Klobuchar might be the most likable Senator on the Hill.  The fact that it comes packaged with two decades of experience in the Senate, the toughness of a prosecutor (and presumably the debate skills to match), geographic appeal and gender appeal ... it's a lot of variables in her favor. 

Also I think the Dems could run an inanimate carbon rod against Trump in 2020 and it would make the rod the second-biggest star in America.  Whoever is tasked with the massive responsibility of taking down the worst President since slavery is gonna be an immediate superhero.

You want to beat Trump, just have Michelle Obama run against him.  I don't think the current crop of Democrats in Washington are going to be able to do it.  

 

[Mister CIA]

I'm ready to jump on this bandwagon.  The speechin' needs polish, but it's not a show-stopper.

 

[lazyike]

I could see supporting her as much as any Democrat. I really think she is smart and is very personable. Progressives may prefer a Booker our Harris though. Even though I have never voted for a Democrat for President picking her vs. Trump would be like choosing a T-bone steak (Klobuchar)over lutefisk(Trump)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bExZ1agUK0M

 

[Sheriff Bart]

I don't think the best plan to flip a bunch of votes for a racist, bigoted, misogynistic, liar is to run a woman. In this environment the Virgin Mary wouldn't get those votes. 

 

[Mister CIA]

I don't think the best plan to flip a bunch of votes for a racist, bigoted, misogynistic, liar is to run a woman. In this environment the Virgin Mary wouldn't get those votes. 

 

[joffer]

+1

 

[Sheriff Bart]

What's so confusing?  Mind you, I would vote for Klobuchar on K4's recommendation alone but unless there is a HUGE shift in sentiment in the next two years, I think running a woman or minority is extremely risky. Believe me, it hurts more than you know that's where this country is at.  I honestly can't believe this is reality. 

 

[Mister CIA]

What's so confusing?  Mind you, I would vote for Klobuchar on K4's recommendation alone but unless there is a HUGE shift in sentiment in the next two years, I think running a woman or minority is extremely risky. Believe me, it hurts more than you know that's where this country is at.  I honestly can't believe this is reality. 

I get where your heart is at, but #### that!

Stand Tall.

 

[Sheriff Bart]

I get where your heart is at, but #### that!

Stand Tall.

This country has been derailed and if even you hook up the newest, most powerful, state of the art, locomotive, nothing happens until all of the cars are back on track. 

 

[Mister CIA]

For the record,  I was experiencing strong Klobuchar inclinations B4 the K4 bump, but once I saw it, it was all #### yeah on my end.  I even sent an email to Sen. Klobuchar's official site tonight, expressing my desire to volunteer - way down here in MS.

 

[krista4]

What's so confusing?  Mind you, I would vote for Klobuchar on K4's recommendation alone but unless there is a HUGE shift in sentiment in the next two years, I think running a woman or minority is extremely risky. Believe me, it hurts more than you know that's where this country is at.  I honestly can't believe this is reality. 

For the record,  I was experiencing strong Klobuchar inclinations B4 the K4 bump, but once I saw it, it was all #### yeah on my end.  I even sent an email to Sen. Klobuchar's official site tonight, expressing my desire to volunteer - way down here in MS.

  You guys...

 

[Mister CIA]

This country has been derailed and if even you hook up the newest, most powerful, state of the art, locomotive, nothing happens until all of the cars are back on track. 

I predict that within a week your heart will change.

 

[Mister CIA]

  You guys...

Are you mocking me?  I don't mind, but I sure wish I got it.

mmmBeer

 

[krista4]

Are you mocking me?  I don't mind, but I sure wish I got it.

mmmBeer

No, it was more like  to two of my favorites.

Now I"m going to bed instead of derailing more!

 

[Mister CIA]

Random Shots: Ignore me.

 

[Mister CIA]

No, it was more like  to two of my favorites.

Now I"m going to bed instead of derailing more!

Super blush!

Sherriff Bart is elite, but I think he's feeling a little down tonight.

Or, I could be drunk.

And, I could be drunk.

 

[Mister CIA]

Amy right?

 

[Sheriff Bart]

Super blush!

Sherriff Bart is elite, but I think he's feeling a little down tonight.

Or, I could be drunk.

And, I could be drunk.

Been on heavy pain killers for 7 days.

 

[Mister CIA]

Sharing all my Nicolette Larson Lotta Love.

 

[Mister CIA]

I could see supporting her as much as any Democrat. I really think she is smart and is very personable. Progressives may prefer a Booker our Harris though. Even though I have never voted for a Democrat for President picking her vs. Trump would be like choosing a T-bone steak (Klobuchar)over lutefisk(Trump)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bExZ1agUK0M

I have Kamala Harris penciled in as the next AG.

 

[skol asylum]

[No message]

 

[lazyike]

I have Kamala Harris penciled in as the next AG.

At the very least if Klobuchar is not the candidate she would be at the top of the AG list if a Democrat should win in 2020.

 

[mr roboto]

Fox will get the country all riled up that Minnesota is made up of no good Scandinavian socialists. 

Truth. 

 

[Sinn Fein]

What's so confusing?  Mind you, I would vote for Klobuchar on K4's recommendation alone but unless there is a HUGE shift in sentiment in the next two years, I think running a woman or minority is extremely risky. Believe me, it hurts more than you know that's where this country is at.  I honestly can't believe this is reality. 

I think the right woman can win - fairly easily.  But its tougher for female candidates - I think people will expect them to have the best of male traits, and female traits.

Realistically, I think the best candidate, is one who demonstrates the ability to lead and unite.  It won't matter if they are man or woman - if they can stand out as a leader, they will beat Trump.

 

[JohnnyU]

As a Republican and one who lives in Minnesota, I told my wife a month ago that I thought Amy Klobuchar would be President some day.  She is very likable. 

 

[squistion]

As a Republican and one who lives in Minnesota, I told my wife a month ago that I thought Amy Klobuchar would be President some day.  She is very likable. 

She seems like a very nice person, but lacks the charisma or the It factor compared to other potential candidates like Kamala Harris or Beto O'Rourke.

 

[toshiba]

As a Republican and one who lives in Minnesota, I told my wife a month ago that I thought Amy Klobuchar would be President some day.  She is very likable. 

She seems like a very nice person, but lacks the charisma or the It factor compared to other potential candidates like Kamala Harris or Beto O'Rourke.

I disagree with Harris, I don't see the "it" factor with her. 

I see it in Beto, but he needs experience.

I don't know if Klobuchar has it, but as of now I would support her from what I know of the other 2.

 

[The Z Machine]

Klobuchar - Beto

Love it.

 

[krista4]

New Yorker interview with Klobuchar.  She sounds like a candidate.  

 

[Henry Ford]

New Yorker interview with Klobuchar.  She sounds like a candidate.  

Klobuchar/Beto FTW

 

[JohnnyU]

I'm a Republican and I've been touting her in other threads.  If the Republicans have to lose I hope it is to someone like her instead of those too far left candidates. 

 

[Mister CIA]

Klobuchar/Beto FTW

I'm down with this.  Klobuchar reels in women voters and mid-westerners, while Beto appeals to the Bernie base.  It's a neat, tidy package with a bow on top.

What are your thoughts on Klobuchar/Landrieu, should it come to pass? I'm wondering if there will be enough cracks in the Republican facade to strip away a southern state or two. Were it so, Landrieu might help in this regard more than Beto, although Beto's fund-raising skills probably trump all.

 

[JohnnyU]

I'm down with this.  Klobuchar reels in women voters and mid-westerners, while Beto appeals to the Bernie base.  It's a neat, tidy package with a bow on top.

What are your thoughts on Klobuchar/Landrieu, should it come to pass? I'm wondering if there will be enough cracks in the Republican facade to strip away a southern state or two. Were it so, Landrieu might help in this regard more than Beto, although Beto's fund-raising skills probably trump all.

I don't like Beto, but the Dems would be smart to have a moderate Democrat like Klobuchar as its choice for President and if a more progressive / leftist Vice President running mate like Beto is the choice then that would probably satisfy a lot of Democrats also.  It's probably a smart duo.  However, if they do something stupid as to have someone like K Harris, Sanders, Booker, Warren, or any other far left choice for President, or those choices to pair with Klobuchar, then that would be a bad thing for the Democrats.

 

[Mister CIA]

I don't like Beto, but the Dems would be smart to have a moderate Democrat like Klobuchar as its choice for President and if a more progressive / leftist Vice President running mate like Beto is the choice then that would probably satisfy a lot of Democrats also.  It's probably a smart duo.  However, if they do something stupid as to have someone like K Harris, Sanders, Booker, Warren, or any other far left choice for President, or those choices to pair with Klobuchar, then that would be a bad thing for the Democrats.

I'm no expert here, but what am I missing that I should regard Kamala Harris and Corey Booker as far left choices?  I have both listed in my notebook as centrists, or more derisively, as corporate Democrats.

 

[JohnnyU]

I'm no expert here, but what am I missing that I should regard Kamala Harris and Corey Booker as far left choices?  I have both listed in my notebook as centrists, or more derisively, as corporate Democrats.

Well, sorry if we see them so differently.  K Harris is about as far left as they come.  Booker gives that impression as well, but I'll do more research on him.

 

[squistion]

Well, sorry if we see them so differently.  K Harris is about as far left as they come.  Booker gives that impression as well, but I'll do more research on him.

Um, no. Although maybe to you she is.

 

[The Commish]

I don't like Beto, but the Dems would be smart to have a moderate Democrat like Klobuchar as its choice for President and if a more progressive / leftist Vice President running mate like Beto is the choice then that would probably satisfy a lot of Democrats also.  It's probably a smart duo.  However, if they do something stupid as to have someone like K Harris, Sanders, Booker, Warren, or any other far left choice for President, or those choices to pair with Klobuchar, then that would be a bad thing for the Democrats.

It's quite interesting how these labels come to be.  I don't see a ton different between her and several of the other candidates policy wise that you and others have labeled "socialist" and basically the end of all mankind should they get put in the driver's seat.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Amy_Klobuchar.htm

 

[JohnnyU]

It's quite interesting how these labels come to be.  I don't see a ton different between her and several of the other candidates policy wise that you and others have labeled "socialist" and basically the end of all mankind should they get put in the driver's seat.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Amy_Klobuchar.htm

I didn't say she was perfect, but as a Republican if I had to choose a Democrat candidate she would be my choice.

 

[The Commish]

I didn't say she was perfect, but as a Republican if I had to choose a Democrat candidate she would be my choice.

That's great.  Whatever the real reasons are, glad you got there.  Let's not pretend she's all that different policy wise from the others though....just doesn't make sense.

 

[Mister CIA]

It's quite interesting how these labels come to be.  I don't see a ton different between her and several of the other candidates policy wise that you and others have labeled "socialist" and basically the end of all mankind should they get put in the driver's seat.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Amy_Klobuchar.htm

She's from California.

Bingo?

 

[JohnnyU]

That's great.  Whatever the real reasons are, glad you got there.  Let's not pretend she's all that different policy wise from the others though....just doesn't make sense.

Lesser of many evils.

 

[mr roboto]

Lesser of many evils.

You lack helpful specifics on why she’s so much more centrist than the others. 

 

[toshiba]

I don't like Beto, but the Dems would be smart to have a moderate Democrat like Klobuchar as its choice for President and if a more progressive / leftist Vice President running mate like Beto is the choice then that would probably satisfy a lot of Democrats also.  It's probably a smart duo.  However, if they do something stupid as to have someone like K Harris, Sanders, Booker, Warren, or any other far left choice for President, or those choices to pair with Klobuchar, then that would be a bad thing for the Democrats.

I'm no expert here, but what am I missing that I should regard Kamala Harris and Corey Booker as far left choices?  I have both listed in my notebook as centrists, or more derisively, as corporate Democrats.

They are brown, duh!

 

[the moops]

This is an interesting link to compare Klobuchar vs Harris. They agree 82% of the time, and from the link it appears their differing votes do not fall along the progressive/centrist lines.

and Klobuchar vs Booker

Appears that the difference in votes is generally Klobuchar voting yes on cabinet members vs no for Booker and Harris

 

[mr roboto]

@JohnnyU so where’s the massive difference in policy between Klobuchar and Harris/Booker/Warren?

Or could it be that Amy is from your state and comes across to you as less demanding?

 

[The Z Machine]

@JohnnyU so where’s the massive difference in policy between Klobuchar and Harris/Booker/Warren?

Or could it be that Amy is from your state and comes across to you as less demanding?

What about just less black?