gcmmidwest
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would you drop Ellington for Vereen ?
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Andre Ellington - RB - Clemson. (4 Viewers)
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Braktastic
Footballguy
gcmmidwest
Footballguy
how do you not drop him for ivory? health is the only issue & if he makes it a couple more weeks it's payback in the saints game
gcmmidwest
Footballguy
this thread has turned to ......<crickets> dumpen his ### today Az. schedule isn't exactly appealing for the run game anyway.
zamboni
Footballguy
Redraft-wise, I can see the allure to maybe getting rid of him if there is a better waiver wire option out there.
In keeper/dynasty however, have to hold...
I have not wavered much based on a bad game vs Seattle. # of touches is definitely a concern, but it is one game against a top DRedraft-wise, I can see the allure to maybe getting rid of him if there is a better waiver wire option out there.
In keeper/dynasty however, have to hold...
That said, in redraft, I would drop him for Ivory or Vareen
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Realistically, this was a dynasty discussion all along. Arizona is a dumpster fire this year. Bad team + brutal o-line + RBBC = redraft savior?!?! Not so much...
Wasn't he something like RB24 before last week? I guess if you have a short bench, there may be better RB options out there.Redraft-wise, I can see the allure to maybe getting rid of him if there is a better waiver wire option out there.
In keeper/dynasty however, have to hold...
socrates
Footballguy
You may be right, and Ivory may be more valuable ROS than Ellington, especially in standard leagues. I would have to seriously contemplate that. I guess it just depends on whether Ivory pushes Bilal Powell out of the way before Ellington passes Mendenhall in AZ, and based on Arians comments and Ivory's usage this past week, that seems likely. In PPR, I might hold onto Ellington. At best, it just seems like a lateral move from Ellington to Ivory (PPR).gcmmidwest said:
McGarnicle
Footballguy
In PPR it's a no brainer to hold Ellington. I could rush for 100 yards too if you gave me 34 frigging carries. Ivory is a turd.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Amazing how people just don't get it. Ellington not getting more work has nothing to do with Mendenhall, and everything to do with Ellington himself.
arians told you this?
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Yeah, he came right out and said Ellington is a 30-32 snap player. You must have missed it, but googling it will clear things up for you. You're welcome.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
The snap breakdown still favored Ellington with 41 pct. of the snaps compared to 32 pct. for Mendenhall and 28 pct. for Smith. With Mendenhall averaging 1.7 yards per carry in the game and 2.9 on the season, it still feels like it's just a matter of time before Ellington (and maybe Smith) start to really take over the Cardinals backfield.
Warrior
Footballguy
He also said Ellington has "every-down back" talent, Capernicus. Google can tell you that too. What's your point?
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Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
The condescending schtick would work better if you were actually able to spell Copernicus, Einstein.
ryno1980
Footballguy
The child-like crap in this thread got old a long time ago. why does it have to keep going?
It's not Arians holding him back. It's Carson Palmer's inability to get the offense moving down the field on a consistent basis. I'm at work and don't have time to research it right now, but I'd be curious as to where the Cardinals rank in the league in volume of plays.
30 percent of the snaps would generate Sproles-light numbers if the offense was marching up and down the field or at least occasionally running semi-efficiently. Typically, any coach implementing a new offensive system is going to have issues so it's just not a great situation for Ellington to be a fantasy starter.
I'm thinking about him as a bye-week starter. If the Atlanta defense is as sub-par as everyone is saying and palmer plays well, Ellington should be in that 10-15 touch range this week.
It's not Arians holding him back. It's Carson Palmer's inability to get the offense moving down the field on a consistent basis. I'm at work and don't have time to research it right now, but I'd be curious as to where the Cardinals rank in the league in volume of plays.
30 percent of the snaps would generate Sproles-light numbers if the offense was marching up and down the field or at least occasionally running semi-efficiently. Typically, any coach implementing a new offensive system is going to have issues so it's just not a great situation for Ellington to be a fantasy starter.
I'm thinking about him as a bye-week starter. If the Atlanta defense is as sub-par as everyone is saying and palmer plays well, Ellington should be in that 10-15 touch range this week.
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if ellington was certain to get between 10 and 15 touches a game, he would be a great start for many fantasy teams. his size or skills is not keeping him from such a workload, arians is.
IC FBGCav
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Coeur de Lion
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IC FBGCav
Footballguy
IC FBGCav
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Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
I'm not arguing that. Although the Cards' terrible offense (mainly a function of the worst o-line in the league) makes it hard to count on consistent production from a part time player unlikely to get goal-line carries.
IC FBGCav
Footballguy
He is a spot start or decent desperate starter, this week against the Falcons will be a good one for him. Against Seattle and SF not so much.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Disagree. It has everything to do with Arians at this point. Until we see him actually get 20-25 touches and fail, I don't see how anyone can make the blanket statement that he can't do it, including Arians.
X2... In my leagues he is right around RB 24, above many other high profile RB's like TRICH.
Ellingon has had 2 bad weeks. #1 and #7, however has been a good start in PPR more weeks than numerous high profile RB's picked in rounds 1-4
If you don't think Ellington has value, that is fine. Drop him and stay out of this thread.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Yeah, I didn't mention Arians at all there. It has nothing to do with Mendenhall, and everything to do with Ellington, and most importantly, how the AZ coaching staff sees him as a player. If Mendenhall's leg falls off at practice today, I think Ellington is still pretty likely to remain a 10-12 touch, 30 snap player while someone else gets used as a 2 YPC battering ram up the middle to try to keep the opposing defense honest. Actually, it might even be one-legged Mendenhall -- it's not like he's been effective even with both wheels.GroveDiesel said:
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Right, because calling Arians a moron, comparing Ellington to Jamaal Charles, and talking about who you should / shouldn't start Ellington over this week brings much more value to the board. :thumbsup:fCheeze said:
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
That's fair. Maybe it's just parsing words by me. I just think that it's important to make the distinction between blaming the player and blaming the coach's perception of the player. If it's the player to blame then there's not much that will ever change that. If it's the coach's perception, there's a chance the coach could change his mind or get fired.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
IMO we haven't seen enough on Ellington (47 career touches) to really have much of a clue one way or the other what he can or can't do, so it makes sense to go with the opinion of Arians (who I think is a pretty solid offensive coach, as opposed to the pack of Ellington owners who think he's a moron and have been calling for him to get fired). Either way, I wouldn't be counting on a guy whose immediate ceiling appears to be 12ish touches in a crappy offense if I had any other viable options at all.
ryno1980
Footballguy
I'm encouraged that Arians is trusting him with 30 percent of touches. A sign he will trust the rookie with more in the future. But unless the offense picks up, he's a limited upside flex play/desperation rb2
cubbie5150
Footballguy
Whelp. Guess Alphonso Smith will be getting the bulk of RB touches. Ellington is still a decent "what the heck" flex play this week
Assume for a second that Mendy is out against the Falcons. Does Ellington become a RB2 for the week? Not sure if there is another back on that team would eat into his workload....any insight?
who knows what arians will do. First he says he is an every down back then says he is isnt. He would be a high upside flex imo. Smith might fill the mendenhall role. I wouldnt get too excited yet because mendenhall did this a few weeks ago missed wed thursd limited friday played sunday.
zamboni
Footballguy
True, he did wind up playing, but Arians also called Mendenhall out for not practicing enough. So the fact that he's been out the past few days may point to something more chronic. We'll see.
