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Andre Ellington - RB - Clemson. (1 Viewer)

Can't believe I started the season with the "great on paper" combo of t-rich / cj spiller / david wilson, and have been reduced to starting andre ellington this week. :ptts:
Forte, TRich, Wilson, Tate here :hey: scrambling to start Ellington and...? :bag:

 
Unfortunately, even if Mendenhall is out, I think Arians uses Alphonso Smith to take on some of Mendenhall's touches. I don't think he's going to give Ellington 20-25 touches either way.
The voice of reason.
That's kind of obvious that it would be a 15-touch ceiling with smith getting in the ballpark of half the carries. But if that's 5 catches, he's a great ppr bye week play. I don't trust that will happen. But with 6 teams on bye, I can see calling him a top 20 play. Like I and others have said, he's a better discussion for dynasty than redraft. To get into Arians head, I'm guessing he sees ellington as a sproles. That would make me modestly project AE to getting 100 carries and 50 catches by 2014 (he's already on pace for 65 rushes and 45 catches this year).

 
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Cardinals OC Harold Goodwin "reiterated" Thursday that the team will "remain careful" with Andre Ellington.

 
After his garbage game last week... if Wheels of Stone Mendenhall doesn't play...maybe the coach is down playing Ellington's workload so the other team cant prepare for him...

I want to this guy touch the rock over and over

 
If Mendenhall didn't go it'd definitely make a lot of sense to limit Ellington's snaps and have Palmer hold onto the ball as much as possible.

 
If Mendenhall doesn't go this week.. and the coaching staff for some reason doesn't utilize Ellington, they deserved to be fired!!

 
AzCardinals.com is unsure if Rashard Mendenhall (toe) will be active for Week 8.


Mendenhall's status is up in the air after he missed Wednesday and Thursday's practices, and the fact that the Cardinals' in-house website has doubts about his Week 8 availability speaks volumes. Mendy's absence would leave starting duties to Andre Ellington, but the Cards have been adamant that he will remain on a snap count, so he still wouldn't be more than a FLEX option for fantasy purposes. Alfonso Smith would also be in for an increased workload, while even Ryan Williams could get on the field.
 
AzCardinals.com is unsure if Rashard Mendenhall (toe) will be active for Week 8.


Mendenhall's status is up in the air after he missed Wednesday and Thursday's practices, and the fact that the Cardinals' in-house website has doubts about his Week 8 availability speaks volumes. Mendy's absence would leave starting duties to Andre Ellington, but the Cards have been adamant that he will remain on a snap count, so he still wouldn't be more than a FLEX option for fantasy purposes. Alfonso Smith would also be in for an increased workload, while even Ryan Williams could get on the field.
AzCardinals.com is unsure if Rashard Mendenhall (toe) will be active for Week 8.


Mendenhall's status is up in the air after he missed Wednesday and Thursday's practices, and the fact that the Cardinals' in-house website has doubts about his Week 8 availability speaks volumes. Mendy's absence would leave starting duties to Andre Ellington, but the Cards have been adamant that he will remain on a snap count, so he still wouldn't be more than a FLEX option for fantasy purposes. Alfonso Smith would also be in for an increased workload, while even Ryan Williams could get on the field.
That would be funny. Have s stud like Ellington in the wings, give him more snaps? Nope, lets get Williams the rock, you know, cuz that gives us the best chance to win.

I wouldnt be surprised, NFL coaches always try for the slick move and over think it.

 
for all you guys slobknobbering him, you do realize he's almost entirely a passing down back?

what makes you think he'd do #### on obvious running plays?

 
for all you guys slobknobbering him, you do realize he's almost entirely a passing down back?

what makes you think he'd do #### on obvious running plays?
As opposed to what Mendenhall has done on obvious running plays? I don't think anybody is arguing the Cards O-line sucks and nobody's gonna have much success on early downs Sherlock.

 
Mendenhall Doubtful.

Rashard Mendenhall (toe) is listed as doubtful for Week 8 against the Falcons after missing practice again Friday.
Per beat writer Mike Jurecki, Andre Ellington "could" start against Atlanta, and Stepfan Taylor is expected to be his backup. It's interesting that Jurecki named Taylor instead of Ryan Williams or Alfonso Smith, which goes to show just how muddled and uncertain the pecking order has become behind Mendenhall and Ellington. Ellington is a slightly more attractive flex play in Week 8, but there are strong indications he'll remain a 30-32 snap-per-game player, instead of assuming every-down back duties. Oct 25 - 3:36 PM
Source: Mike Jurecki on Twitter

 
Mendenhall Doubtful.

Rashard Mendenhall (toe) is listed as doubtful for Week 8 against the Falcons after missing practice again Friday.

Per beat writer Mike Jurecki, Andre Ellington "could" start against Atlanta, and Stepfan Taylor is expected to be his backup. It's interesting that Jurecki named Taylor instead of Ryan Williams or Alfonso Smith, which goes to show just how muddled and uncertain the pecking order has become behind Mendenhall and Ellington. Ellington is a slightly more attractive flex play in Week 8, but there are strong indications he'll remain a 30-32 snap-per-game player, instead of assuming every-down back duties. Oct 25 - 3:36 PM

Source: Mike Jurecki on Twitter
what we all have been waiting for...popcorn is ready
 
I think his workload can increase depending on his success. With no Mendy and if Ellington's getting it done I could see his role increase.

 
Now I have a decision to make, Gio vs. the tough Jets D or Ellington vs. a bad Falcons D. Leaning Ellington, going to assume the last game was another Thursday night anomaly and it was vs. Seattle after all. With Mendenhall out of the way, this would the week for him to show what he can do with more snaps.

Not 100% sold yet though. Neither situation is exactly ideal.

 
Hopefully this means more of a workload but I doubt it
I can certainly understand the lack of optimism here. Arians has given us no reason to believe he will use Ellington as a workhorse-type back. However, this is as good an opportunity as you could have asked for as an Ellington owner. I Expect Stepfan Taylor to get some short yardage use, and he could be worth keeping an eye on.

 
Skip down to the part where the cards GM says "the fans are going to see a lot more of Ellington in the coming weeks".

Locked and loaded, baby!

Like the Mepkin Abbey monastery in Andre Ellingtons small South Carolina hometown, the Cardinals running back prefers reflection over verbosity.

Painfully shy, subdued, low key were answers to inquiries on Thursday about Ellingtons personality. Dynamic, flashy, electric were responses to questions about his running style.

The rookie is one of the more-intriguing story lines of the Cardinals pedestrian season. His 6.4 yards per carry are the most in the NFL among running backs with at least 25 carries. His speed and ability to make defenders miss are head-turning.

And as the team prepares for Sundays clash with the Atlanta Falcons, it finds itself facing one of the more-important personnel decisions of the season: how best to utilize Ellingtons skills.

He has carried the ball just 28 times to Rashard Mendenhalls 92. He is the Cardinals third most productive receiver with 20 catches for 190 yards. Does the team use him more as an every-down back a decision that could be forced by the health of Mendenhall, who missed Thursdays practice with a toe injury or stick with its instincts that Ellington, who is 5 foot 9, 199 pounds, is not built for that kind of wear and tear?

Throw into the mix the saga of Ryan Williams, who has been healthy but inactive all season, and the Cardinals face some decisions that are among the bigger of the Steve Keim-Bruce Arians era.

We have to be smart in what we do with him, offensive coordinator Harold Goodwin said.

General Manager Keim agrees.

You looking at a rookie with a slight build to him, he said. You dont want to get into a situation where you pound a guy, he has an injury and thats a setback.

But at the same time, its a double-edged sword. Every time he touches the ball something good happens. I think in the next couple weeks our fans will be excited because at the end of the day youre going to see a lot more of Andre Ellington.

This isnt the first time Ellington has befuddled the Cardinals.

Like other teams in the NFL, they werent sure what to make of him. He was a standout at Clemson, finishing fourth on its list of all-time rushers and averaging 5.1 yards a carry his senior year.

Cardinals officials were giddy watching video of him.

I tell our scouts all the time, we spend four months a year falling in love with a player, Keim said, and then in the spring we spend four months tearing him apart.

The issue with Ellington was a hamstring tweak at the combine that resulted in a 4.61 time that contradicted everything teams officials saw on tape.

So you have a running back who is a thin-hipped, slight built guy who didnt run well, Keim said. You end up overthinking the process.

Keim never forgot what he saw on video of Ellington, however, and when he proved still available in the sixth round, he jumped at the opportunity to take him.

Well, sort of.

Just before he selected him, Keim first placed a call to Robbie Caldwell, the offensive-line coach at Clemson who also was Keims offensive-line coach at North Carolina State.

Im just trying to confirm why this guy is still available, Keim told him.

Just take him, Caldwell said. Just take him.

He did, and the Cardinals ended up with one of the bigger steals of the draft.

They also ended up with a player who had a healthy chip on his shoulder.

Ellington is not one who stands up and shouts You messed up! He is quiet until he gets to know you. But he admits he knows teams made a mistake by passing on him and it motivated me more than anything and I was determined to work my way back to the player I was.

And he did. In five of the six games he has carried the ball, he has busted out for a run of at least 15 yards. He also had a rushing touchdown against San Francisco and a receiving one against Detroit.

And although he is clearly not a guy who will question the coaches decision about the amount of touches he gets a game he had three in the Cardinals loss to Seattle he clearly believes he can handle a bigger load like he did at Clemson.

My goal is just to work as hard as I can and get the coaches to trust in me, he said.

Thats as bold as Ellington gets. Goodwin confirms he is quiet around most everyone.

He is, he said. He just has that funny-looking smirk on his face. Its tough (for him) to talk this week after what happened to Clemson last week.

Yes, that blowout to Florida State had to be a tough one for Ellington to swallow.

Not that the running back had said much about it.

In Moncks Corner, S.C., they are taught not to brag.

They let their actions speak.

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I think his workload can increase depending on his success. With no Mendy and if Ellington's getting it done I could see his role increase.
Yep, good post. Ellington's involvement will probably be directly proportional to his performance (and to a lesser degree, Taylor's performance on his initial touches). Hot hand will get fed if Mendenhall's out.

 
I think his workload can increase depending on his success. With no Mendy and if Ellington's getting it done I could see his role increase.
Yep, good post. Ellington's involvement will probably be directly proportional to his performance (and to a lesser degree, Taylor's performance on his initial touches). Hot hand will get fed if Mendenhall's out.
Looks like a committee between Ellington, Taylor and Williams this weekend is a possibility.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/20131024time-for-arizona-cardinals-to-use-depth-at-running-back.html

 
Is this news enough to put him in your lineup? I'm still finding it hard to do so. Play him or not, if he doesn't produce this week, regardless of reason, I think that will be enough for me to drop him come Monday.

 
From Roto

With Rashard Mendenhall (toe) not expected to play in Week 8 against the Falcons, the Cardinals will use Stepfan Taylor as Andre Ellington's primary backup and Alfonso Smith as their passing-down back.

Smith will be the main passing-down back because he's Arizona's best pass protector. And the Cardinals need pass protectors in the backfield because their front five is a sieve. Ryan Williams is uncertain whether he'll be active. So expect Ellington in the lead back role -- not quite feature back role -- with Taylor mixing in on early downs and Smith picking up oncoming blitzers.

My question is who is giving them this info? Coach, reporter or insider info? Smith is available in a lot of league I would think and could be in line for a some what decent PPR day.
 
Eminence said:
I'm not going to start him. This screams committee.
Sure, but it also indicates that they're going to take a look at him in the feature role. It's hard to imagine Arians sticking to his touch-count strategy if he performs well.

 
If he had a 5 catch floor like Sproles he would be startable in PPR.

I think a lot of us still feel burnt from last week's game though.

 
Is this news enough to put him in your lineup? I'm still finding it hard to do so. Play him or not, if he doesn't produce this week, regardless of reason, I think that will be enough for me to drop him come Monday.
with bye weeks im sure some could do worse
 
I dont see his situation this week all that different from other commitee guys like Ridley, Ivory...even SF`s backfeild this year.

Im playing him over Ridley for sure...Maybe even LaVeon, havent quite decided yet.

 
You have to think this would be the week they'd utilize him, especially if he gets on a roll early.

The Cardinals are 3-4. While the rational world might not think of them as a playoff team this puts them still in the mix right now. Win and you get to 4-4 and you're staring at a winning 2nd-half possibly getting you in the dance. Lose and drop to 3-5, though, and suddenly you need to go 6-2 to get there. That's a big climb. A pivotal game against a team similarly situated - this is do or die stuff.

I'm starting him...with zero confidence :)

-QG

 
Isn't this the week to play him? If not this week you might as well drop him.
Your bench must be awful.
It has nothing to do with bench players. If you aren't going to use him in a week where he is the starter against a week D then when? If not might as well drop him and move on.
If you drop decent, potentially break-out, players simply because you have more reliable options to start, that's your business, but it sounds ridiculous to me. But this is the Ellington thread, not the how to manage fantasy rosters threads, so let's drop it.

 
http://www.kffl.com/player/27827/nfl

Fri, 25 Oct 2013 20:32:14 -0700

Updating a previous report, Arizona Cardinals RB Andre Ellington is expected to draw the start in Week 8 against the Atlanta Falcons with RB Rashard Mendenhall (toe) doubtful. Still, head coach Bruce Arians, offensive coordinator Harold Goodwin and general manager Steve Keim each want to be careful not to overuse the rookie because of his slight build. "I look at him the same way," Arians said Friday, Oct. 25. "It's still a situational...I don't use the word 'committee', but we'll monitor how many times he carries."

Arians is a total tool.

 
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Fri, 25 Oct 2013 20:32:14 -0700

Updating a previous report, Arizona Cardinals RB Andre Ellington is expected to draw the start in Week 8 against the Atlanta Falcons with RB Rashard Mendenhall (toe) doubtful. Still, head coach Bruce Arians, offensive coordinator Harold Goodwin and general manager Steve Keim each want to be careful not to overuse the rookie because of his slight build. "I look at him the same way," Arians said Friday, Oct. 25. "It's still a situational...I don't use the word 'committee', but we'll monitor how many times he carries."

Arians is a total tool.
Yes guys that small should just not play in the league. Players like Barry Sanders, Brian Westbrook, Warrick Dunn, and Ray Rice had no business being in the league. They could never make an impact at their respective sizes.

 
Eminence said:
Lot of Bruce Arians hate, please tone it down. He drafts a gem in the 6th round yet is an idiot?

That doesn't make any sense. Considering the majority of you probably didn't know who Ellington was until a few weeks into this season.

Let's leave the Arians hate out of this, it doesn't add much to the conversation and serves to make you look foolish.

Arizona's o-line is trash and I'm willing to bet we won't see Ellington on the field on traditional running formations.
Agree but the gm Steve Keim is responsible for the pick.

 
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