Andre Ellington - RB - Clemson. (2 Viewers)

[Khy]

And some comments from beat writer Darren Urban:

Andre Ellington was fantastic. Don’t know how many plays he got, but he still only had 17 touches, and, sorry folks, I don’t expect that to grow tremendously. But that 80-yard run was a thing of beauty. Stepfan Taylor looked good too. Take away his clock-grinding-while-the-Falcons-had-10-in-the-box runs late, and even Taylor had 33 yards on eight yards. Now, the Falcons are not the Seahawks or Niners on defense, but 201 yards rushing is 201 yards rushing.

– Arians would not commit to Ellington as stud starter. He just said he’d wait for Rashard Mendenhall to get 100 percent healthy – which who knows, may be a while, especially now – and evaluate it then. I’m pretty sure he knows what kind of weapon he has in Ellington.

http://blog.azcardinals.com/2013/10/27/falcons-aftermath-3/

According to this guy, Taylor is paying off the stat makers? He only ran for 8 yards and was credited with 33? Amazing!

 

[Da Gildz]

I'm curious about Ellington's keeper value. Its clear he'll be a big part of their future at RB, just how big. Will he be Mccoy/Charles/CJ type that can carry it 20 times/game? All small backs btw. Or more of a Sproles/Gio type playing the complimentary RBBC role. If he's the former, obviously that warrants a 1st/2nd rd selection but the latter, more in the 3rd/4th rd range...Guess we have time to see which back he compares to..

 

[Apple Jack]

Way too soon to be considering keeper value.

 

[T with T]

I'm curious about Ellington's keeper value. Its clear he'll be a big part of their future at RB, just how big. Will he be Mccoy/Charles/CJ type that can carry it 20 times/game? All small backs btw. Or more of a Sproles/Gio type playing the complimentary RBBC role. Either way, he's looking like a top 3-4 round selection in 2014. Maybe higher depending on his finish..

bad comparison putting GIO in with Sproles as he is a rookie and 208 lbs.. sproles is what a 185 soaking wet... You couldn't have been more off with your comparisons gildz, start watching the games not just ESPN.

 

[Da Gildz]

Way too soon to be considering keeper value.

Why? He's clearly got the skillz to be a legit fantasy back. Its a fair question right about now..

 

[Da Gildz]

I'm curious about Ellington's keeper value. Its clear he'll be a big part of their future at RB, just how big. Will he be Mccoy/Charles/CJ type that can carry it 20 times/game? All small backs btw. Or more of a Sproles/Gio type playing the complimentary RBBC role. Either way, he's looking like a top 3-4 round selection in 2014. Maybe higher depending on his finish..

bad comparison putting GIO in with Sproles as he is a rookie and 208 lbs.. sproles is what a 185 soaking wet... You couldn't have been more off with your comparisons gildz, start watching the games not just ESPN.

Umm hello, i was comparing their ROLES! lol, not their physiques. learn to read before u respond.

 

[LittlePhatty]

Reminds me of Jahvid Best.

I can understand why Arians would want to use him carefully, in open space. But just do that with the play-calling and get on with it. I disagree with his choice to keep mentioning to the press how worried he is about Ellington getting hit. That's almost like putting a target on the kid's back.

Keeper value - at this point, I'd hold on to him unless you can find someone who will trade you a first-round pick based on a couple of good games.

 

[T with T]

I love this run... his speed is insane.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-fantasy/0ap2000000271080/RB-Ellington-80-yd-run-TD

 

[T with T]

you give him a crease and he is out the door. Well said my friends. Get him now you may want to wait til he has another 4- 24 and 1-8 type of games and go get this guy in dynasty. I know I will be. I own him in 1 dynasty and 1 redraft. By 2014 I hope to make that 10-10 leagues I own him in.

 

[Da Gildz]

you give him a crease and he is out the door. Well said my friends. Get him now you may want to wait til he has another 4- 24 and 1-8 type of games and go get this guy in dynasty. I know I will be. I own him in 1 dynasty and 1 redraft. By 2014 I hope to make that 10-10 leagues I own him in.

Thanks, we were all wondering if you'd get him in all your leagues next yr.

 

[Insein]

you give him a crease and he is out the door. Well said my friends. Get him now you may want to wait til he has another 4- 24 and 1-8 type of games and go get this guy in dynasty. I know I will be. I own him in 1 dynasty and 1 redraft. By 2014 I hope to make that 10-10 leagues I own him in.

Thanks, we were all wondering if you'd get him in all your leagues next yr.

Thank you for being that guy.

 

[zamboni]

I love this run... his speed is insane.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-fantasy/0ap2000000271080/RB-Ellington-80-yd-run-TD

Great vision there, too.

Arians clearly has a penchant for the big bruising body type of RB, since if you look at him after the run, he doesn't seem any smaller than Charles, Spiller, Chris Johnson, etc.

 

[Eminence]

I'll take my position on staff anytime you guys are ready Football Guys.

Otherwise I'm going to start my own site and hand out gems like this.

 

[bushdocda]

I'll take my position on staff anytime you guys are ready Football Guys.

Otherwise I'm going to start my own site and hand out gems like this.

You should get MOP to provide the content for your site.

 

[Franknbeans]

I actually had a dream that he ran for a long TD today. Of course, now I am wondering if I should start him.

 

[glock]

Reminds me of Jahvid Best.

I can understand why Arians would want to use him carefully, in open space. But just do that with the play-calling and get on with it. I disagree with his choice to keep mentioning to the press how worried he is about Ellington getting hit. That's almost like putting a target on the kid's back.

Keeper value - at this point, I'd hold on to him unless you can find someone who will trade you a first-round pick based on a couple of good games.

I'm not sure why utilizing guys like this "carefully, in open space" protects runners. Collisions in the open field are most often more violent then those in the trenches, no??

 

[fCheeze]

I'll take my position on staff anytime you guys are ready Football Guys.

Otherwise I'm going to start my own site and hand out gems like this.

I for One... will just say thank you..

I have Ellington in both my leagues and he could easily be a key piece to championship squads. Let's see if Arians gives him the job first. I think he will

 

[Ray]

Where's that Ceure de Clown guy?

 

[Routilla]

Where's that Ceure de Clown guy?

He's busy

 

[GroveDiesel]

Where's that Ceure de Clown guy?

He's busy

Over on a fantasy baseball site arguing that Yasiel Puig isn't very good.

 

[T with T]

I actually had a dream that he ran for a long TD today. Of course, now I am wondering if I should start him.

nice dream, good call, did you start him Frank?

 

[T with T]

Where's that Ceure de Clown guy?

haha ya he is a disappearing act after spewing bs and ranting, raving and calling other posters names, on top of saying Ellington was to small.. Typical Troll. Troll on Cuere de lion...........

 

[cvnpoka]

I'm curious about Ellington's keeper value. Its clear he'll be a big part of their future at RB, just how big. Will he be Mccoy/Charles/CJ type that can carry it 20 times/game? All small backs btw. Or more of a Sproles/Gio type playing the complimentary RBBC role. If he's the former, obviously that warrants a 1st/2nd rd selection but the latter, more in the 3rd/4th rd range...Guess we have time to see which back he compares to..

given the recent comments from arians, you will be lucky if ellington can force his way into just a rbbc role. it seems far more likely that he will remain 5 touch change of pace guy.

 

[SameSongNDance]

I'll take my position on staff anytime you guys are ready Football Guys.

Otherwise I'm going to start my own site and hand out gems like this.

What's that saying.."Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while.". No offense man, but you start a lot of "player" threads and I'm assuming you miss more often than you hit. I'm also assuming it takes more than merely starting these types of threads to become apart of the staff. If you are looking to start your own site however, good luck.

Ellington clearly earned an expanded role but it's interesting to note that he only touched the ball 3 more times than Taylor last week (17:14). Moving forward, I have a feeling we're still going to see a healthy dose of Mendenhall sadly as he and Taylor share the same role. Ultimately however, I'm hoping Ellington can average around 15 touches per game moving forward which would cement his high upside flex status.

 

[rickyg]

Way too soon to be considering keeper value.

Why? He's clearly got the skillz to be a legit fantasy back. Its a fair question right about now..

I traded for him on Friday in my dynasty league in anticipation of this breakout. Have up spiller. At $20 and locked in for 3 more yearswoth salary going up $5 per year, Spiller had a bad contract.

Ellington is not yet user contract and his salary was $1. Money.

Dynasty salary keep leagues are very different though. There are more factors than just talent and situation that make a player a good keeper or not like length of contract and salary.

 

[Slapdash]

Way too soon to be considering keeper value.

Not at all. He is RB 17 in non-PPR right now and I can't see Mendenhall coming back next year. Yesterday was a glimpse into the future and it is very bright. Even if he is capped at 20 touches.

 

[Khy]

I'll take my position on staff anytime you guys are ready Football Guys.

Otherwise I'm going to start my own site and hand out gems like this.

Wow, you guys are really over this Ellington guy's nuts.

I love how you started this thread. And were up Ellingtons ###. Until he posted a 3 carry, 3 yard line. And now everyone else is on "this Ellington guys nuts".

You're a friggin riot my friend.

When was I up Ellington's ###? I haven't posted in this thread in weeks. The love has gotten WAY out of control.

EDIT: Everyone needs to add Khy to their block list. He spouts horse####.

It must be nice always being right Eminence. I'm going to start doing this as well, open about 10-20 rookie threads per year. And jump on and off the bandwagon so much that I start to loosen the handle to the wagon. And when that wagon finally makes it past the finish line? I'm going to paint that Radio Flyer in Gold and call it The God Wagon. And request that everyone thank me and throw rose petals at me as I cross the finish line holding onto the handle that's secured by it's last loose screw.

 

[Isotopes]

I'll take my position on staff anytime you guys are ready Football Guys.

Otherwise I'm going to start my own site and hand out gems like this.

Wow, you guys are really over this Ellington guy's nuts.

I love how you started this thread. And were up Ellingtons ###. Until he posted a 3 carry, 3 yard line. And now everyone else is on "this Ellington guys nuts".You're a friggin riot my friend.

When was I up Ellington's ###? I haven't posted in this thread in weeks. The love has gotten WAY out of control.EDIT: Everyone needs to add Khy to their block list. He spouts horse####.

It must be nice always being right Eminence. I'm going to start doing this as well, open about 10-20 rookie threads per year. And jump on and off the bandwagon so much that I start to loosen the handle to the wagon. And when that wagon finally makes it past the finish line? I'm going to paint that Radio Flyer in Gold and call it The God Wagon. And request that everyone thank me and throw rose petals at me as I cross the finish line holding onto the handle that's secured by it's last loose screw.

I think you guys are taking this stuff a little too seriously.

 

[Koya]

Guys, enough self congratulating. It's pathetic. If you are so great in your wisdom, let your wisdom speak for you.

You look just sad with the self promoting on a freakin' message board.

Now, back to your regularly scheduled hype.

 

[Routilla]

Elly is Gold Jerry, Gold!!!

 

[yellowdog]

link

Speaking Monday, Cardinals coach Bruce Arians said he was "sure" Rashard Mendenhall (toe) would resume his early-down role when healthy.
It's, of course, an indication Andre Ellington didn't earn a bigger role with his Sunday masterpiece, but we wouldn't be surprised to see Arians back off his statement a bit following Arizona's Week 9 bye. Mendenhall has been spectacularly ineffective this season, but rookie fill-in Stepfan Taylor wasn't a whole lot better on Sunday. Either way, the Cards simply aren't ready to commit to bigger snap counts for the 5-foot-10, 199-pound Ellington. Oct 28 - 3:36 PM
Source: Darren Urban on Twitter

 

[cvnpoka]

I'll take my position on staff anytime you guys are ready Football Guys.

Otherwise I'm going to start my own site and hand out gems like this.

What's that saying.."Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while.". No offense man, but you start a lot of "player" threads and I'm assuming you miss more often than you hit. I'm also assuming it takes more than merely starting these types of threads to become apart of the staff. If you are looking to start your own site however, good luck.

Ellington clearly earned an expanded role but it's interesting to note that he only touched the ball 3 more times than Taylor last week (17:14). Moving forward, I have a feeling we're still going to see a healthy dose of Mendenhall sadly as he and Taylor share the same role. Ultimately however, I'm hoping Ellington can average around 15 touches per game moving forward which would cement his high upside flex status.

there is just no way this happens. i would be hopeful for 10 and ecstatic for 12.

 

[T with T]

link

Speaking Monday, Cardinals coach Bruce Arians said he was "sure" Rashard Mendenhall (toe) would resume his early-down role when healthy.
It's, of course, an indication Andre Ellington didn't earn a bigger role with his Sunday masterpiece, but we wouldn't be surprised to see Arians back off his statement a bit following Arizona's Week 9 bye. Mendenhall has been spectacularly ineffective this season, but rookie fill-in Stepfan Taylor wasn't a whole lot better on Sunday. Either way, the Cards simply aren't ready to commit to bigger snap counts for the 5-foot-10, 199-pound Ellington. Oct 28 - 3:36 PM
Source: Darren Urban on Twitter

Im telling you bro, This Arians has an especially thick skull..... I don't know if we can break the barriers........ It may be lost cause for this year and hope for inj.... 2014 and beyond is looking like best case...Arians is seriously a moron and has blind loyalty on a player 6 years ago....... He's in denial.......

 

[yellowdog]

link

Speaking Monday, Cardinals coach Bruce Arians said he was "sure" Rashard Mendenhall (toe) would resume his early-down role when healthy.
It's, of course, an indication Andre Ellington didn't earn a bigger role with his Sunday masterpiece, but we wouldn't be surprised to see Arians back off his statement a bit following Arizona's Week 9 bye. Mendenhall has been spectacularly ineffective this season, but rookie fill-in Stepfan Taylor wasn't a whole lot better on Sunday. Either way, the Cards simply aren't ready to commit to bigger snap counts for the 5-foot-10, 199-pound Ellington. Oct 28 - 3:36 PM
Source: Darren Urban on Twitter

Im telling you bro, This Arians has an especially thick skull..... I don't know if we can break the barriers........ It may be lost cause for this year and hope for inj.... 2014 and beyond is looking like best case...Arians is seriously a moron and has blind loyalty on a player 6 years ago....... He's in denial.......

Not cool.

 

[T with T]

I'll take my position on staff anytime you guys are ready Football Guys.

Otherwise I'm going to start my own site and hand out gems like this.

What's that saying.."Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while.". No offense man, but you start a lot of "player" threads and I'm assuming you miss more often than you hit. I'm also assuming it takes more than merely starting these types of threads to become apart of the staff. If you are looking to start your own site however, good luck.

Ellington clearly earned an expanded role but it's interesting to note that he only touched the ball 3 more times than Taylor last week (17:14). Moving forward, I have a feeling we're still going to see a healthy dose of Mendenhall sadly as he and Taylor share the same role. Ultimately however, I'm hoping Ellington can average around 15 touches per game moving forward which would cement his high upside flex status.

Ellington would be legit top 12 ppr back with 15 touches a game.... anything over and we are looking like top 10 in ppr, that is IF he had 15-19 touches per/game. At the current 5-7 rate he is at while mendy is healthy he is flex or bye filler. It all depends on how it stacks up in the future.

 

[blake]

Way too soon to be considering keeper value.

Not at all. He is RB 17 in non-PPR right now and I can't see Mendenhall coming back next year. Yesterday was a glimpse into the future and it is very bright. Even if he is capped at 20 touches.

Couldn't agree more with Slapdash. It is never too early to be considering keeper value...that is, as long as you are in a keeper league. I'm not sure how that could even be written. This is the time of the season when some teams realize they aren't going to make the playoffs and want to start preparing for next year. Ellington could be a part of that for some teams in 2014. In fact, four weeks ago, it wasn't too soon to start considering keeper value.

 

[SameSongNDance]

I'll take my position on staff anytime you guys are ready Football Guys.

Otherwise I'm going to start my own site and hand out gems like this.

What's that saying.."Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while.". No offense man, but you start a lot of "player" threads and I'm assuming you miss more often than you hit. I'm also assuming it takes more than merely starting these types of threads to become apart of the staff. If you are looking to start your own site however, good luck.

Ellington clearly earned an expanded role but it's interesting to note that he only touched the ball 3 more times than Taylor last week (17:14). Moving forward, I have a feeling we're still going to see a healthy dose of Mendenhall sadly as he and Taylor share the same role. Ultimately however, I'm hoping Ellington can average around 15 touches per game moving forward which would cement his high upside flex status.

there is just no way this happens. i would be hopeful for 10 and ecstatic for 12.

Yeah, it also has a lot to do with game state(s). How many times has ARI commanded a lead this year; how about a multi-score lead? Usually we see ARI's defense do just enough to keep it close and Palmer fall flat on his face (he is just awful).

I just can't believe a coach would willfully choose to squander talent regardless. I mean, whether or not Mendy is a middling talent he never really stood a chance behind that OLine. At least a dude like Ellington, who doesn't depend so much on good interior run blocking would be able to mask some of that lines weaknesses. Meh, the whole offensive situation in ARI is just putrid.

Yeah, sell high in redraft.

 

[zamboni]

link

Speaking Monday, Cardinals coach Bruce Arians said he was "sure" Rashard Mendenhall (toe) would resume his early-down role when healthy.
It's, of course, an indication Andre Ellington didn't earn a bigger role with his Sunday masterpiece, but we wouldn't be surprised to see Arians back off his statement a bit following Arizona's Week 9 bye. Mendenhall has been spectacularly ineffective this season, but rookie fill-in Stepfan Taylor wasn't a whole lot better on Sunday. Either way, the Cards simply aren't ready to commit to bigger snap counts for the 5-foot-10, 199-pound Ellington. Oct 28 - 3:36 PM
Source: Darren Urban on Twitter

Mendenhall clearly has some embarrassing pictures of Arians.

 

[Khy]

link

Speaking Monday, Cardinals coach Bruce Arians said he was "sure" Rashard Mendenhall (toe) would resume his early-down role when healthy.
It's, of course, an indication Andre Ellington didn't earn a bigger role with his Sunday masterpiece, but we wouldn't be surprised to see Arians back off his statement a bit following Arizona's Week 9 bye. Mendenhall has been spectacularly ineffective this season, but rookie fill-in Stepfan Taylor wasn't a whole lot better on Sunday. Either way, the Cards simply aren't ready to commit to bigger snap counts for the 5-foot-10, 199-pound Ellington. Oct 28 - 3:36 PM
Source: Darren Urban on Twitter

Mendenhall clearly has some embarrassing pictures of Arians.

Seriously, I just don't understand.

Mendenhall: 92 carries, 281 yards, 3.1 ypc :: 10 Receptions, 66 yards, 6.6 ypr

Ellington: 43 carries, 333 yards, 7.7 ypc :: 22 Receptions, 198 yards, 9.0 ypr

How is there even still a debate here? Mendenhall's averaging 40.1 yards per GAME on 13 carries. Meanwhile Ellington is doing that in 5 carries and somehow Arians is still sitting here going "Nahhhhh bro, Mendy's a beast. He's our man!".

I can't wait till this week 10 statline.

Rashad Mendenhall: 15 carries, 28 yards, 0 TDs

Andre Ellington: 3 carries, 46 yards, 1 TD

Then the headline "Cards owner Bidwill seen chasing Bruce Arians from the stadium with hunting rifle after the game. Arians return is questionable. More details to follow".

 

[T with T]

link

Speaking Monday, Cardinals coach Bruce Arians said he was "sure" Rashard Mendenhall (toe) would resume his early-down role when healthy.
It's, of course, an indication Andre Ellington didn't earn a bigger role with his Sunday masterpiece, but we wouldn't be surprised to see Arians back off his statement a bit following Arizona's Week 9 bye. Mendenhall has been spectacularly ineffective this season, but rookie fill-in Stepfan Taylor wasn't a whole lot better on Sunday. Either way, the Cards simply aren't ready to commit to bigger snap counts for the 5-foot-10, 199-pound Ellington. Oct 28 - 3:36 PM
Source: Darren Urban on Twitter

Mendenhall clearly has some embarrassing pictures of Arians.

Seriously, I just don't understand.

Mendenhall: 92 carries, 281 yards, 3.1 ypc :: 10 Receptions, 66 yards, 6.6 ypr

Ellington: 43 carries, 333 yards, 7.7 ypc :: 22 Receptions, 198 yards, 9.0 ypr

How is there even still a debate here? Mendenhall's averaging 40.1 yards per GAME on 13 carries. Meanwhile Ellington is doing that in 5 carries and somehow Arians is still sitting here going "Nahhhhh bro, Mendy's a beast. He's our man!".

I can't wait till this week 10 statline.

Rashad Mendenhall: 15 carries, 28 yards, 0 TDs

Andre Ellington: 3 carries, 46 yards, 1 TD

Then the headline "Cards owner Bidwill seen chasing Bruce Arians from the stadium with hunting rifle after the game. Arians return is questionable. More details to follow".

 

[SameSongNDance]

Cardinals coach Bruce Arians wants rookie RB Andre Ellington to improve his pass protection.

Arians also said he wants Ellington to improve his "patience" as a runner. They're just nitpicks from a coach who's obviously happy with his rookie back's production, but not happy enough to guarantee Ellington a larger role once Rashard Medenhall (toe) returns. "We’ll see how that plays out when (Rashard) comes back," Arians said. "I’ll evaluate it when he comes back but I’m sure he will resume his role, as long as he’s full-speed." It's clearly a fluid situation, but an every-down role remains unlikely for the 5-foot-9, 199-pound Ellington.

Arians also went on to say that he didn't like Ellington's posture on his 80 yard TD run.

 

[jsharlan]

Arians is ridiculously stubborn.

 

[LawFitz]

Same thing played out with Jamaal Charles. Cream risen. Congrats to those of you that have him as your RB2 or Flex.

 

[Slapdash]

link

Speaking Monday, Cardinals coach Bruce Arians said he was "sure" Rashard Mendenhall (toe) would resume his early-down role when healthy.
It's, of course, an indication Andre Ellington didn't earn a bigger role with his Sunday masterpiece, but we wouldn't be surprised to see Arians back off his statement a bit following Arizona's Week 9 bye. Mendenhall has been spectacularly ineffective this season, but rookie fill-in Stepfan Taylor wasn't a whole lot better on Sunday. Either way, the Cards simply aren't ready to commit to bigger snap counts for the 5-foot-10, 199-pound Ellington. Oct 28 - 3:36 PM
Source: Darren Urban on Twitter

Mendenhall clearly has some embarrassing pictures of Arians.

Seriously, I just don't understand.

Mendenhall: 92 carries, 281 yards, 3.1 ypc :: 10 Receptions, 66 yards, 6.6 ypr

Ellington: 43 carries, 333 yards, 7.7 ypc :: 22 Receptions, 198 yards, 9.0 ypr

Just night and day here.

 

[DreamTheater]

and a certain Ceure de Clown laughed and said I got ripped off for trading Trent for Ellington and a 2014 2nd..

I would do it again tomm.

 

[RushHour]

Where's that guy who was amazed that he saw the great Hakeem Nicks traded straight up for Ellington in a dynasty league? LOL. I still don't understand why that trade was so shocking, even a week ago.

 

[Franknbeans]

I actually had a dream that he ran for a long TD today. Of course, now I am wondering if I should start him.

nice dream, good call, did you start him Frank?

Last second I did before my hard drive crashed. Left him on the bench in another league but luckily still pulled out the W

 

[rjv]

Arians is ridiculously stubborn.

Borderline moronic.

 

[need2know]

Arians is ridiculously stubborn.

Borderline moronic.

He must be lying. No way they don't at least split going forward. Mendenhall will probably just hurt himself again anyway so its really irrelevant

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Where's that Ceure de Clown guy?

He's busy

I'm still here. Ellington had a great game. If you guys think that this week was representative of what we're likely to see moving forward, then we still disagree. I'm personally pretty happy to have moved the guy in one league today for a 2014 1st, but YMMV. Arians isn't going anywhere, and I have zero confidence that they'll be able to sustain a consistent ground game moving forward.