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Andre Williams - RB (1 Viewer)
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Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
He is a classic 2 down bruiser that has no wiggle and will always be a nice compliment piece to a better RB. Giants missing Jennings tonight.
steveski
Footballguy
He's not the kind of guy that is going to make something out of nothing. If he has a hole he has the speed and power to bust through it and go the distance. If the line can't open up a hole, he's not going to do anything.
I thought the line was starting to look good the last couple weeks. Awful tonight though. Can't open up a hole and Eli has been sacked at least 4 times already.
I like Andre and think he'll be good when the real problem is fixed.
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
I don't mind Andre, but prior to tonight he was averaging 3.1 ypc (tonight he is at 2.1 ypc) and people were claiming big things going forward even though his game is limited. I just don't see a huge future for him. He is not a good blocker and has stone hands. I don't know think he has feature back material ever.
steveski
Footballguy
You may be right but it's not looking like this is the best game to judge him on. The line is having a horrible game. Pugh has been awful.
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
True the O line has been down right pitiful. Pugh should be benched to send a message there is no way the replacement could play worse.
Football Jones
Footballguy
I like Williams a lot in dynasty leagues. Big-time potential. They don't have it together tonight, but this offense is a work in progress.
I think he takes Jennings' job next season if not sooner.
I think he takes Jennings' job next season if not sooner.
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
steveski
Footballguy
I agree. I think they can complement each other well in a 60/40 type split though. Not that different than how Jacobs/Bradshaw were.
freeannyong
Footballguy
Until Williams gains an ability to play on passing downs he isn't taking over for anyone.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Williams isn't taking Jennings job this year. The Eagles had no worries of a screen or any big plays coming out of the backfield tonight. Jennings isn't a burner, but he keeps defenses honest with his pass catching and ability to break off big runs.
Rick James
Footballguy
any RB looks like Faulk against ATL defense.
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
What on earth do you think Jennings would have done in this lopsided matchup tonight? The difference between Jennings and Williams is nowhere near 20+ points.
Aside from the Hou game, Jennings ypc isn't impressive either. He had one great game running the ball, which required two games worth of normal touches.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
The difference between Jennings and Williams from a pure running perspective isn't much different, or rather, there isn't some huge talent gap. Jennings is just better at other facets of the position and it shows. I think we should probably give him a pass on a night where his team was trailing for the entire game and his OL turned a ####tier performance (admittedly more so in pass than run blocking) than I've seen in a long time. The script couldn't have gone much worse for NYG as a whole and I think we can at least expect a regression to the mean from this offense next week vs. DAL.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Needed 8 pts from this turd. LOSS
harryhood
Footballguy
Ive yet to see a run from him that has impressed me or given me confidence to think that the Giants have the RB position addressed for the next few seasons. Whether it be in his complementary role, or his starting rb role (small sample size), I just don't see alot to get excited about. Certainly willing to give him a rookie pass if he can improve on the pass blocking and continue to hold onto the football all year. Just cant help but think the Giants will be back in the market for a RB within the next 3 years
theothervcruz
Footballguy
Nothing against Andre but as a Jennings owner, I was kind of glad to not see him explode and to see the deficiencies in his game that keep him from being a real threat to Jennings' role when he comes back. Not that Jennings is anything special but, as noted, he is simply a more complete player right now. With Cruz injured, Jennings' pass catching ability - and Williams' lack of trust in passing downs - will be that much more of a factor in deciding playing time between these two.
Jerry Curl
Footballguy
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
DAL is mostly a fantasy killer for one reason, TOP. They're top three in time of possession, doing a good job of limiting opportunity for the opposing team from a fantasy perspective. Their defense is very exploitable but it's mostly being masked by TOP. I think Foster is a good example of what a RB can do with some volume vs. this defense. SF, STL, TEN, NO and SEA RBs were super efficient with their touches vs. DAL but just weren't given many to work with. The only team with less rushing attempts per game vs. them are SF and SD. The good news is that this is a division rivalry. NYG was just beat up by PHI but I feel like just about anything can happen in the NFC East. Hell, DAL are only 6 points favorites right now, pretty low considering NYG arguably put in their worst performance of the year vs. PHI and DAL just beat SEA at home. Anyway, I'm not sure what to expect here but it's quite feasible that Williams has a nice day come Sunday.
just_want_2_win
Footballguy
Jennings doesn't look to play week 9, in a mild surprise.
Andre didn't shine in his last couple starts -- do we have any hope for a rebound or will the downward spiral continue (or if not downward, not upward either)?
Andre didn't shine in his last couple starts -- do we have any hope for a rebound or will the downward spiral continue (or if not downward, not upward either)?
I had Williams and cut bait (Jennings owner) due to the bye week and with RB issues.
I'm contemplating picking him back up for week 9.
Picked up Cadet last week and with Andre available along with Deangelo, Taliefiero and Sims I am completely unsure who I might target with waivers running tomorrow night. I know the AC forum is where to go, but how would anybody here rank them?
I'm contemplating picking him back up for week 9.
Picked up Cadet last week and with Andre available along with Deangelo, Taliefiero and Sims I am completely unsure who I might target with waivers running tomorrow night. I know the AC forum is where to go, but how would anybody here rank them?
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
The O line is struggling to block in this game against Indy, but Williams is 2 yards and a cloud of dust. I get he is a downhill runner and needs to get started to be useful, but his vision does not appear to be very good and unless there is a huge hole he just can't make anything happen.
Jennings need to get back asap, and I am really not sure about Williams long term.
Jennings need to get back asap, and I am really not sure about Williams long term.
Bamac
Footballguy
My two year old catches the ball more naturally.
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
EBF
Footballguy
I was optimistic after the preseason because he was looking good and busting lots of long runs. So far it hasn't carried over to the regular season.
People stereotype Williams as a bruising inside runner because of his size, but that's not really his game. He's basically a feast-or-famine home run hitter. This article written by Greg Peshek after last CFB season compares him with several other backs from his draft class. There are a few things that stand out about Williams. He had the lowest YPC of any of the backs in the study on inside runs (and the highest on outside runs). He had the highest percentage of runs <4 yards, but also the highest percentage of runs of 20+ yards. In other words, he was very hit-or-miss on his carries without much in between.
This type of back relies on those 20+ yard runs to balance out all the times when he gets stuffed behind the LOS. The problem with Williams this year is that he's not getting those long runs. He only has two 20+ yard runs on 100+ carries, which just isn't good enough for somebody who struggles with the consistent 4-5 yard gains. With his long strides and lack of short area quickness, I'm thinking he's going to end up being similar to Darren McFadden in the sense that he needs big lanes blocked for him in order to utilize his best traits. When asked to run through trash and create yards on his own, it seems he just can't do it.
People stereotype Williams as a bruising inside runner because of his size, but that's not really his game. He's basically a feast-or-famine home run hitter. This article written by Greg Peshek after last CFB season compares him with several other backs from his draft class. There are a few things that stand out about Williams. He had the lowest YPC of any of the backs in the study on inside runs (and the highest on outside runs). He had the highest percentage of runs <4 yards, but also the highest percentage of runs of 20+ yards. In other words, he was very hit-or-miss on his carries without much in between.
This type of back relies on those 20+ yard runs to balance out all the times when he gets stuffed behind the LOS. The problem with Williams this year is that he's not getting those long runs. He only has two 20+ yard runs on 100+ carries, which just isn't good enough for somebody who struggles with the consistent 4-5 yard gains. With his long strides and lack of short area quickness, I'm thinking he's going to end up being similar to Darren McFadden in the sense that he needs big lanes blocked for him in order to utilize his best traits. When asked to run through trash and create yards on his own, it seems he just can't do it.
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
Jack White
Footballguy
Rimez
Footballguy
He is quite the conundrum, looks bad running up the middle into the backs of his blockers then looks amazing on the outside running over DBs, but how do they get him out in space when he cant catch? I dont think he is a bad player, he just doesnt seem to fit into the giants offense.
Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub
Footballguy
Don't think he has a long future in the league. Wasted pick by Giants IMO. He isn't a 230 lb pounder in the tackles (ala a Shonn Greene). He's not a guy with enough speed to get the corner. He's a space guy with hands of stone.
A guy that can make DBs look foolish with a fool head of steam. But that's difficult when you can't get to the 2nd level & can't catch a cold.
A guy that can make DBs look foolish with a fool head of steam. But that's difficult when you can't get to the 2nd level & can't catch a cold.
mphtrilogy
Footballguy
he "helped" me get a tie tis week, i could complain, but i'm pretty happy with the tie, it was looking bleak in the first half
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
This. He could sometimes get 4 to 5 yards, but he reacts so slowly and gets a 2 yard carry or no gainer.
Rick James
Footballguy
this guy blows. lmao at myself for not trading him when I had the chance. oh well.
do we have an update on Jennings? think he will come back this week?
do we have an update on Jennings? think he will come back this week?
RealReactions
Footballguy
Giants need Jennings more than ever
Wow, I was pumping up Jennings and the pro-Williams crowd just kept coming down on me. Williams looks pathetic. He's so stiff running the rock, has zero burst and is as elusive running the ball as my 2 yr old daughter.
This guy is your prototypical GL/4th and inches runner, and do nothing else. He is just.......bad.
This guy is your prototypical GL/4th and inches runner, and do nothing else. He is just.......bad.
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The problem is getting enough space to have that steam develop. His vision seems poor. If there isn't a gaping hole for him to plow through, he just runs into pile. Shonn Green-esque.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Late career Jacobs? I agree perhaps. Probably still has more burst present day than this kid. I really don't think I've ever seen a 22 year old have so little burst. Early career Jacobs played much faster & physical in the tackles.
With how big he is, his rushing style, lack of ability in the tackles, and complete lack of burst reminds me of another soft NFL big guy Keiland Williams.
JMO Only way this kid stays in the league is coverting to FB. If you ever wonder how he lead the nation in rushing, go watch that BC O-line in some clips. Yeah him trucking over a 180-190 pound DB with a full head of steam is nice to watch. Now only if he could get to the 2nd level consistently....
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I think it's a discredit to Shonn Greene to compare the two. Other than size, the two really aren't similar at all in running style IMO. One has proven he can run in the tackles at a career 4+ ypc with a couple 1k seasons. If Williams ran for 1k in 2 seasons I'd consider it a success for him.in the NFL
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Avery
Footballguy
Agree on many counts.
I think he is an NFL back who can succeed with a good offensive line that gives him the room to get up that head of steam going. He doesn't seem like the kind of back that can create his own space. That means he is a JAG who will/can be replaced by a player with a more complete skillset.
Giants' Andre Williams working with Rashad Jennings off the field on improving as a rusher:
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2014/11/giants_andre_williams_working_with_rashad_jennings_off_the_field_on_improving_as_a_rusher.html
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2014/11/giants_andre_williams_working_with_rashad_jennings_off_the_field_on_improving_as_a_rusher.html
