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Andy D's draft talk thread. Mock drafts, prospect notes, (1 Viewer)

If Sam Bradford comes out, he is easily the first QB off the board.

Bradford to the Lions and Stafford to the Chiefs would do wonders for my dynasty league team with Calvin Johnson and Dwayne Bowe.

Thanks for the hard work and thought Andy. This type of posts makes the Shark Pool great.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
2. Detroit Lions - Matthew Stafford, QB - Georgia

Who knows how much turnover there will be in the Lions front office? Will the bums in place now continue to run the show? Will they hire a new coach? All I know is that Dan Orlovsky and Drew Stanton are not the answer. Stafford is as close as you're going to get to a franchise QB in this year's draft.

Alternates: Orakpo, Monroe
It's nice to see my mild pimping of Stafford this off-season has paid off. ;) I'm not so sure I follow the logic behind Det taking him (or a QB for that matter) however. How does Det or any of us know that Orlovsky and Stanton are not the answer? These guys have played less than 4 games between the 2 of them.
I read this this morning as part of an article on the Lions following the loss to the Redskins, and I have to say that this is one of the most astonishing facts I've ever seen about a team:
Minnesota Vikings quarterback Gus Frerotte is the only quarterback to face the Lions this season who did not set a career high in passer efficiency rating.

Washington's Jason Campbell set his person best with a 127.4 -- topping his career-best against Detroit last year.
The Lions organization should be dissolved if they draft anything other than defense. Their offense actually isn't awful though it certainly could use improvement, but that defense is embarrassingly bad. They need to go BPA on defense and give Orlovsky and Stanton next year to sort things out.
I agree that the D needs a lot of help and work. I think that the BPA however will be one of the OT's, another position of significant need for the Lions. I think they should grab the best OT in the draft with their 1st #1 pick and then go BPA on D with the Cowboys pick later on.
 
I appreciate the mock Andy. Good job as always. I've got a question for you. If Mark Sanchez declares, where do you think he goes?

 
I appreciate the mock Andy. Good job as always. I've got a question for you. If Mark Sanchez declares, where do you think he goes?
3rd QB taken.
Maybe, but he won't declare IMHO. There's no better training ground you can get for NFL success than running the USC offense as long as possible. And before people go and throw Leinart in my face, what I'm referring to is both the fact that it's a pro style offense with great athletes and coaches, and also the stats which show that QB's who have more than 30 college starts and >60% completions tend to have better success in the NFL than those who don't. Sanchez waited for three years, so I'd figure he'd want to play his full two years before leaving.
 
I appreciate the mock Andy. Good job as always. I've got a question for you. If Mark Sanchez declares, where do you think he goes?
3rd QB taken.
1. Bradford (Top 5)2. Stafford (Top 10)...3. Tebow (way overdrafted even late in the first)4. Sanchez/McCoy (2nd rounders)
I agree that Bradford and Stafford are both top 10 QB. I have them reversed however. Stafford grades out as the best QB prospect IMO. I wouldn't say he is way above Bradford, but I'd say comfortably ahead. I also disagree with the Sanchez ranking. I think he'll vault up to a 1st round (mid) selection. I'll go one further:KC, StaffordSF, BradfordMinn, Sanchez
 
I appreciate the mock Andy. Good job as always. I've got a question for you. If Mark Sanchez declares, where do you think he goes?
3rd QB taken.
Maybe, but he won't declare IMHO. There's no better training ground you can get for NFL success than running the USC offense as long as possible. And before people go and throw Leinart in my face, what I'm referring to is both the fact that it's a pro style offense with great athletes and coaches, and also the stats which show that QB's who have more than 30 college starts and >60% completions tend to have better success in the NFL than those who don't. Sanchez waited for three years, so I'd figure he'd want to play his full two years before leaving.
If he hears that he will carry a 1st round grade then I think he is gone. Correct me if I'm wrong, but after this year the NFL implements the rookie salary cap. He can make a ton more money if he grades out as a 1st rounder and declares for 2009 IMO.
 
I appreciate the mock Andy. Good job as always. I've got a question for you. If Mark Sanchez declares, where do you think he goes?
3rd QB taken.
Maybe, but he won't declare IMHO. There's no better training ground you can get for NFL success than running the USC offense as long as possible. And before people go and throw Leinart in my face, what I'm referring to is both the fact that it's a pro style offense with great athletes and coaches, and also the stats which show that QB's who have more than 30 college starts and >60% completions tend to have better success in the NFL than those who don't. Sanchez waited for three years, so I'd figure he'd want to play his full two years before leaving.
If he hears that he will carry a 1st round grade then I think he is gone. Correct me if I'm wrong, but after this year the NFL implements the rookie salary cap. He can make a ton more money if he grades out as a 1st rounder and declares for 2009 IMO.
I don't think the rookie salary cap has been agreed upon, has it? If so, maybe you're right, but I've heard nothing from Sanchez indicating one way or the other.
 
If he hears that he will carry a 1st round grade then I think he is gone. Correct me if I'm wrong, but after this year the NFL implements the rookie salary cap. He can make a ton more money if he grades out as a 1st rounder and declares for 2009 IMO.
Agreed. Every legit prospect will declare. It's not official, but the writing is on the wall for the rookie cap.McCoy is earning himself a higher grade with the mobility/accuracy he's showing.I think he'll compete with Tebow and Sanchez to be the #3 QB off the board.
 
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If he hears that he will carry a 1st round grade then I think he is gone. Correct me if I'm wrong, but after this year the NFL implements the rookie salary cap. He can make a ton more money if he grades out as a 1st rounder and declares for 2009 IMO.
Agreed. Every legit prospect will declare. It's not official, but the writing is on the wall for the rookie cap.McCoy is earning himself a higher grade with the mobility/accuracy he's showing.I think he'll compete with Tebow and Sanchez to be the #3 QB off the board.
Tebow could realistically be pushed down the to 6th QB taken in this draft....
 
21. Green Bay Packers - Greg Hardy, DE - Ole Miss

Thompson likes to go BPA and at this point in this draft Hardy is it. The Pack has depth and age issues along the d-line.

Alternates: Ringer, Robinson

Andy great job at getting some draft mojo going.

Is there any OTs out there for the Packers to take in the 1st or 2nd rnd this year. Sooner than later Thompon has to be ready to replace Clifton and Tauscher. Colledge maybe one answer but they sure need to get ready for the end of those two guys.

Hardy looks like a fine pick and they will need help on the d-line as tehy are getting older and need to add depth to the group after moving Williams (good move), Muir failing and Harrell still not producing.

 
Tebow could realistically be pushed down the to 6th QB taken in this draft....
It would be where he should go. #6 that is.Someone will overdraft him. Always happens.
I got reamed a new one when I said Stafford was a better pro prospect this off-season.
Totally agree. FWIW, I meant #6 QB, not #6 overall. Just to be clear.Tebow is not in Staffords or Bradfords class at all.
 
If Sam Bradford comes out, he is easily the first QB off the board.

Bradford to the Lions and Stafford to the Chiefs would do wonders for my dynasty league team with Calvin Johnson and Dwayne Bowe.

Thanks for the hard work and thought Andy. This type of posts makes the Shark Pool great.
Totally agree. I think Bradford should come out because he's the #1 QB, IMO.
Nice work. DET better take a LB, DL, OL. Please lord, let them see the light and build this ####### team from the inside out. A new QB will do nothing except get killed.
:lmao: OL, OL/DL, OL/DL, LB

Please.
People said the same thing about the Falcons last draft. Granted their o-line mess was due more to injury than bad play, but they showed that you can take a QB early and a lineman a bit later and still succeed. Further I'm not sure that Stafford is as good as Matt Ryan, but the point is that there are going to likely be many good lineman in the first round, with one of them being available at their second first round pick.
I appreciate the mock Andy. Good job as always. I've got a question for you. If Mark Sanchez declares, where do you think he goes?
3rd QB taken.
1. Bradford (Top 5)2. Stafford (Top 10)

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3. Tebow (way overdrafted even late in the first)

4. Sanchez/McCoy (2nd rounders)
I would even put Tebow below Sanchez and McCoy. I don't like Tebow as an NFL QB at all and am tempted to rank him even below Rhett Bomar and Hunter Cantwell.
21. Green Bay Packers - Greg Hardy, DE - Ole Miss

Thompson likes to go BPA and at this point in this draft Hardy is it. The Pack has depth and age issues along the d-line.

Alternates: Ringer, Robinson

Andy great job at getting some draft mojo going.

Is there any OTs out there for the Packers to take in the 1st or 2nd rnd this year. Sooner than later Thompon has to be ready to replace Clifton and Tauscher. Colledge maybe one answer but they sure need to get ready for the end of those two guys.
I think we'll have to wait and see. There were a couple of guys that emerged late last year (Albert, Duane Brown) and I expect the same will happen this year. The guy that really intrigues me is Duke Robinson since he seems like a guy that can play anywhere along the line.The one guy that I've been disappointed in is Phil Loadholt. I expected him to have a great senior year, but he played a terrible bowl game last year, and got beaten like a rented mule by Orakpo a couple weeks ago.

 
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*sound of falling bomb*

Beanie Wells is plummeting, i like your draft except I just can't see CLE picking him and he may be 2nd round material

 
*sound of falling bomb*

Beanie Wells is plummeting, i like your draft except I just can't see CLE picking him and he may be 2nd round material
What makes you say that? He looks like this years Jonathan Stewart to me.And I've got to think the Browns are getting tired of getting stuffed at the goalline.

 
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Jamon Meredith was moved to OG.
Showing your versatility is a good thing. Branden Albert can play both OG/OT too.But I didn't know that. Thanks for the update. :thumbup:
Since we both do the same thing, and for good measure... here is a link:
Spurrier seems to be challenging Meredith by moving him inside.
Source: http://jperson.thestateonline.com/?p=98With the enormous flow of information that is out there, we always miss one or two small details. Comparisons to Albert are warranted. You hit that nail right on the head.

Good mocking. :topcat:

 
As a Baltimore homer, it's almost a given that the Ravens will go Cornerback with their #1 pick. Rolle is 75 years old and so injured he hasn't been able to get on the field for 2 years now. McAlister is only 49 years old, but has become the #1 enemy of the new coach to the point he's been injured/benched the last two weeks.
True, and I do have the CB Butler as an alternate. But Newsome goes BPA and I think that Maclin is a better pick at that point.
I, too, agree that the Ravens should go DB (or OL) but if they do go WR I think it'll DHB instead of Maclin.
 
Love the pick for the Bills. Fowler is not very good at C and Duke Preston clearly isn't the answer there either. They need a bigger guy that can really mash.
:lmao: The Bills need to draft o-linemen and pass rushers next year, same as always. Hopefully they'll actually do it.
 
Tony Pauline (SI.com) list his top 45 NFL prospects.

1. Rey Maualuga/LB/USC: The Trojans top prospect has struggled with injuries this season yet is a dominant defender who plays hard every snap.

2. Andre Smith*/OT/Alabama: Smith is an outstanding blind side pass protector whom scouts think can also flourish at the right tackle position.

3. Malcolm Jenkins/CB/Ohio State: The Buckeyes have a long history of placing quality cornerbacks into the NFL. Jenkins could be the best one to come out of Columbus in two decades.

4. Taylor Mays*/S/USC: Mays is a forceful run defender with great ball skills. He's also a terrific athlete and will strengthen the middle of any defense in the NFL.

5. Michael Crabtree*/WR/Texas Tech: Crabtree, a former quarterback in high school, has proven himself to be a game controlling receiver who is impossible to defend.

6. Chris Wells*/RB/Ohio State: Wells is a big, powerful interior runner who should quickly produce as a feature runner in the NFL. He is a well-rounded ball carrier who takes over games.

7. Brian Orakpo/DE-OLB/Texas: Orakpo is watching his draft stock skyrocket after a number of brilliant performances against top competition. He's a game-impacting pass rusher that can line up at defensive end or outside linebacker.

8. William Moore/S/Missouri: One of the Big Twelve's most consistent players, Moore intimidates opponents who dare cross his path in centerfield. He's a great athlete with tremendous size.

9. Knowshon Moreno*/RB/Georgia: Moreno could be the most complete running back in April's draft if he opts for the NFL. He's an aggressive North/South runner with a lot of upside.

10. James Laurinaitis/LB/Ohio State: "Little Animal" lives up to his name, as the Ohio State linebacker craves contact. Laurinaitis is a solid prospect yet not the top five draft pick many contend.

11. Jeremy Maclin*/WR/Missouri: Maclin is a game changing skill player with home run hitting speed. He is a threat to score from anywhere on the field as a receiver or kick returner.

12. Aaron Curry/OLB/Wake Forest: Curry has been on a tear this season and scouts love his all around game. He's developing into a complete linebacker as a senior and playing a more disciplined brand of football.

13. Terrence Cody*/NT/Alabama: Cody is not yet the finished product but a large, dominant defensive linemen who controls the line of scrimmage.

14. Jermaine Gresham*/TE/Oklahoma: The Sooners play making junior is already drawing comparisons to many of the pass catching greats at the tight end position to come from the college ranks.

15. Eugene Monroe/OT/Virginia: Monroe has been a slight disappointment this season. NFL scouts originally considered him a top ten pick but Monroe's erratic play could push him into the middle of the round.

16. Brandon Pettigrew/TE/Oklahoma State: Pettigrew is a complete tight end and offers immediate starting potential in the NFL.

17. Sen'Derrick Marks*/DT/Auburn: One of the best defensive linemen in the SEC, Marks is an explosive tackle with the athleticism necessary to be used as a 3.4 defensive end.

18. Darrius Heyward-Bey*/WR/Maryland: Heyward-Bey possesses home run hitting speed and is a threat to take it the distance any time he's on the field.

19. Jason Smith/OT/Baylor: The Bears left tackle is one of the best kept secrets heading towards the draft. He's an athletic pass protector with the ability to flourish in a variety of blocking schemes.

20. Michael Johnson/DE/Georgia Tech: NFL scouting services rated Johnson as the nation's number one senior prospect in August. He's a great pass rusher but can be a liability against the run.

21. Alex Mack/C/California: Mack is the best center to enter the draft since former first round pick Nick Mangold. He combines Mangold's intelligence with brute strength to overwhelm opponents.

22. Percy Harvin*/WR/Florida: The Gators all purpose skill player beats opponents as a pass catcher, ball carrier and offers potential as a return specialist.

23. Brian Cushing/DE-OLB/USC: Cushing is a disruptive force when healthy and a defender constantly making plays in the opponents back field. His ability to line-up in a three point stance or be placed at linebacker enhances his value.

24. Matt Stafford*/QB/Georgia: The Bulldogs gunslinger constantly challenges the vertical game and is an accurate passer with a strong arm. Scouts were expecting a little more from Stafford this season and do not consider him an early first round pick at this point.

25. Darius Butler/CB/Connecticut: Butler is a big, fast athlete who stands out at cornerback while also producing on special teams and receiver. He's not the finished product but NFL decision makers love his upside potential.

26. Michael Oher/OT/Mississippi: The athletic tackle has proven himself to be a terrific pass blocker the past three seasons but Oher's game has limitations.

27. D.J. Moore*/CB/Vanderbilt: Moore is a nice sized cover corner with an improving game a prospect who excites scouts.

28. Javon Ringer/RB/Michigan State: The Spartans Heisman Trophy candidate is in the midst of a wonderful senior campaign. He's a skilled ball carrier but lacks the true size and speed to be a feature runner at the next level.

29. Alphonso Smith/CB/Wake Forest: Smith is a solid cover corner who will likely start his NFL career as a nickel back.

30. Greg Hardy*/DE/Mississippi: Hardy, a tremendous athlete who previously played for the Rebels basketball team, flashes skill as a game changing defensive lineman.

31. Herman Johnson/OG/LSU: Johnson is large enough to play tackle, strong enough to annihilate opponents and has the versatility to be used in a variety of blocking schemes.

32. Geno Atkins*/DT/Georgia: Atkins is a smallish yet explosive interior lineman and has a number of NFL teams that employ a one-gap defense looking at him.

33. George Selvie/DE-OLB/South Florida: The Bulls defensive end has been one of the nation's best pass rushers the past two years. His tall, thin frame makes a move to outside linebacker likely.

34. Louis Murphy/WR/Florida: Murphy is another big play receiver on the Gators roster. He's got the size and speed to produce on the next level yet must polish his game.

35. Marcus Freeman/OLB/Ohio State: The Buckeyes "other" linebacker is a solid NFL prospect in his own right and considered a more complete player than Laurinaitis by some in the scouting community.

36. Mark Sanchez/QB/USC: Sanchez improves almost weekly and has shown scouts terrific command and control of the Trojan offense. He possesses the arm strength and brains to play at the next level.

37. Donald Brown*/RB/Connecticut: The Huskies record setting running back has been a one man show this season. Scouts like Brown's ball carrying skills and feel he's a complete back who creates much of his own yardage.

38. Russell Okung*/OT/Oklahoma State: Okung is another terrific tackle prospect from the Big 12. He's a skilled pass protector who also shows dominance run blocking.

39. Keenan Lewis/CB/Oregon State: Lewis has been a steadying force in Oregon State's talented secondary. He offers the size and skill to start in the NFL.

40. DeMarcus Granger*/DT/Oklahoma: Drawing comparisons to former Sooner and Chicago Bears first round choice Tommie Harris, Granger is a penetrating tackle who has opponents playing on their heals.

41. Tyson Jackson/DE/LSU: The Tigers defender has his game back on track this year and is being considered for number of positions on the line.

42. Brandon Spikes*/ILB/Florida: Spikes is in the mold of other dominant Florida linebackers now producing in the NFL like Channing Crowder, though Spikes is a complete, three down defender.

43. Antoine Caldwell/C/Alabama: Alabama's leader on the offensive line, Caldwell is a zone blocking center and has increased his playing strength the past two years.

44. Trevard Lindley*/CB/Kentucky: Lindley is developing into a complete cornerback and has shut down many of the best receivers in the SEC this year.

45. Auston English*/DE/Oklahoma: The Sooners fierce pass rush is an intelligent defender that will fit a number of defensive schemes.

Notes

• Based on the talent available, cornerback will be a position of strength if the top underclassmen enter next April's draft. Besides the prospects listed above another half dozen underclassmen cornerbacks presently carry at least a second round grade.

• Hawaii defensive end David Veikune is building a buzz around himself. The athletic pass rusher is considered a stronger version of Travis LaBoy, another prominent defensive end to come from the Hawaii program.

• Wisconsin tight end Travis Beckum fractured his left leg against Illinois on Saturday and is lost for the remainder of the season. The pass catching specialist missed the Badgers first two games this season with a hamstring injury only to return then immediately re-injure himself. Considered a potential top 75 selection in April's draft, the recent rash of leg ailments could push Beckum into the middle rounds.

 
I LOVE IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At a glance, to me Crabtree seems way too high and Orakpo too low, but we'll see how it all shakes out.
I can't shake the feeling that Crabtree is another Mike Williams/Dwayne Jarrett type player. But he's certainly playing at an extremely high level right now.I expect Orakpo to move into the top 5 if he continues to play like he has been.

Stay tuned to this thread as I edit it with my alternate choices (which I intended to do originally, but prematurely posted).
You're going to anger EBF in a major way with this sort of talk. :unsure:
 
I hope Crabtree falls to the Dolphins - a nice complement to Ted Ginn. I also think Maclin will be a great pro and wouldnt mind to see him either even if hes a bit fraile.

 
Any team that takes Wells over Moreno (assuming that Knowshon comes out) deserves the years of ridicule that are sure to follow....

 
Jenkins is a stud. Would have been the 1st CB drafted last year had he come out.
I know he might not have made it that far, but I really was hoping Jenkins was going to come out so the Bills could take him. Jenkins as the 1st CB taken sounds so much better than McKelvin.
 
Fun as always, Andy. Please go just one more pick - I want to see who the Bungles get in round two.

They've been crying for a center for two years now. Anybody good enough to get picked that high?

 
Nice work. DET better take a LB, DL, OL. Please lord, let them see the light and build this ####### team from the inside out. A new QB will do nothing except get killed.
:mellow: OL, OL/DL, OL/DL, LBPlease.
People said the same thing about the Falcons last draft. Granted their o-line mess was due more to injury than bad play, but they showed that you can take a QB early and a lineman a bit later and still succeed. Further I'm not sure that Stafford is as good as Matt Ryan, but the point is that there are going to likely be many good lineman in the first round, with one of them being available at their second first round pick.
OK, I don't have the numbers in front of me, but DET must be approaching some records for worst DEF ever. Taking a QB in the first round, and spending 50mil on another OFF skill position, would be a major mistake for this franchise. I know all rookies are question marks, but I like my chances of positive immediate impact w/ a DL/LB/OL. With all due respect to what ATL has accomplished this year, it's the exception, not the norm for a rookie QB to come in and play that well. DET needs an entire draft of OL & DEF. Probably 2 years of it if they fail to acquire any free agents who don't suck. A proven formula in the NFL is DEF & running the ball. That's the direction this team needs to go. I don't want a "quick fix", we've been trying that for 10 years now. I want a competetive team that can play D and run the ball. A player like Calvin would be even more explosive if there was a legitimate threat of a running game. Right now, this OL is a joke and every team in the league knows it. Add one of the most talentless D's ever assembled and guess what? 0-16.QB is not the answer.
 
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I LOVE IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At a glance, to me Crabtree seems way too high and Orakpo too low, but we'll see how it all shakes out.
I can't shake the feeling that Crabtree is another Mike Williams/Dwayne Jarrett type player. But he's certainly playing at an extremely high level right now.I expect Orakpo to move into the top 5 if he continues to play like he has been.

Stay tuned to this thread as I edit it with my alternate choices (which I intended to do originally, but prematurely posted).
You're going to anger EBF in a major way with this sort of talk. :unsure:
It doesn't make me angry. It's just wrong. Crabtree doesn't have great speed, but he's faster and quicker than both of those guys.

I'm not in the camp that thinks he's an automatic superstar at the next level, but I think he'll be a solid 1,000 yard guy.

 
5. Oakland Raiders - Eugene Monroe, OT - VirginiaAl Davis takes his pills and drafts a guy that can actually help his team. Monroe charters a hearse to drive him to Oakland.Alternates: Orakpo, Michael Johnson
I like the possibilities here on both sides of the ball......I think Monroe is elite and would not be upset at all with the pick, but my eyes tell me the biggest need for the Raiders is a difference-making pass rusher. I don't know a whole lot about this Orakpo kid, but I'm pretty familiar with Johnson. If either or both grades out as elite, I'd place a better chance on the DE getting the call over the OT in this case......Good job on the very early mock...... :own3d:
 
You can stop reading at #2. Millen is gone they will not take a QB at 1 or 2
So just because you disagree with the #2 pick it makes the rest of it invalid. Mmmmmkay.Having said that, I was less than impressed with Stafford this weekend and more than impressed with Crabtree.
 
You can stop reading at #2. Millen is gone they will not take a QB at 1 or 2
So just because you disagree with the #2 pick it makes the rest of it invalid. Mmmmmkay.Having said that, I was less than impressed with Stafford this weekend and more than impressed with Crabtree.
:goodposting:I don't understand how Stafford is rated so highly. His completion % is mediocre at best, he doesn't throw for much yardage, and his TD/INT ratio is pretty bad. He has a very strong arm, but Jamarcus Russell has shown thats not enough.
 
Can someone please explain Bradford> Stafford to me? Stafford has one of the biggest arms coming out and is accurate to boot. Please don't say it's a numbers thing because if so you must not watch college football. I'm pretty sure I could sit back and pick apart a defense with the pocket that Bradford gets. I just don't understand?

 
You can stop reading at #2. Millen is gone they will not take a QB at 1 or 2
So just because you disagree with the #2 pick it makes the rest of it invalid. Mmmmmkay.Having said that, I was less than impressed with Stafford this weekend and more than impressed with Crabtree.
:popcorn:I don't understand how Stafford is rated so highly. His completion % is mediocre at best, he doesn't throw for much yardage, and his TD/INT ratio is pretty bad. He has a very strong arm, but Jamarcus Russell has shown thats not enough.
As I saying below you draft skills not numbers. I guess you would take David Klingler over Stafford? Too hard to compare as he plays in a tough defensive conference and has people in his face at all time. Someone like Bradford is rarely touched.Ty DetmerAndre WareDavid KlinglerAny TT qbJust saying
 

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