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Andy D's draft talk thread. Mock drafts, prospect notes, (1 Viewer)

Philadelphia EaglesOL — With Jon Runyan and Tra Thomas set to hit free agency and ORG Shawn Andrews coming off a serious back procedure, the line needs reinforcements.RB — There Eagles weren’t close to the same when Brian Westbrook was injured and they struggled in key short-yardage situations — even with Westbrook — for most of the season. They could use a bigger back to add to the mix.TE — L.J. Smith was franchised last year, but he almost certainly won’t be back, except at perhaps a bargain type of deal. Brent Celek is an emerging pass receiver, but the team needs another option here — preferably one who can block, too.
In agreement here. I wouldn't be surprised to see both their first round picks spent on OL. Eagles usually dont spend on skill positions in the first so I'd expect to see TE in 2nd and a RB in a later round.
They have been looking for a safety to replace BDawk for a couple years. I think that need outweighs RB. Have to assume they will lose Lito which moves CB up in need too.Would love to see them get a big back, but given their 3rd on Tony Hunt is now a waste and their 4th traded for Booker is all but a waste, I think they'll go secondary before RB.Will be interesting if they try for Winslow or Gonzo first, but wouldn't be surprised if they use a 1st on a TE.
 
Pretty good article from Pro Football Weekly. What say you homers? Agree or disagree?

Top 3 draft needs for all 32 teams.

On the clock

Top three draft needs for all 32 NFL teams

Houston Texans

S — The Texans very much need a playmaking safety, whether it’s a box safety who’s a hammer vs. the run or a rangy centerfielder who is strong vs. the pass.

CB — The Texans’ best cornerback, Dunta Robinson, is a free agent. Even if Robinson returns, the Texans need to improve their options at this important position.

DT — The Texans have invested heavily at this position to no avail; don’t be surprised if they’re again searching for an answer early in the ’09 draft.
The Texans don't have great CBs, but even with Bennett and Reeves the team will improve more with a pass rusher from DE opposite Williams than a better CB. Depending on the system that new DC brings OLB maybe a bigger ned, even though (generally) it is an easier fill that CB. You can argue the order but the other two S and DT belong in the top 3 with DE.
 
Philadelphia EaglesOL — With Jon Runyan and Tra Thomas set to hit free agency and ORG Shawn Andrews coming off a serious back procedure, the line needs reinforcements.RB — There Eagles weren’t close to the same when Brian Westbrook was injured and they struggled in key short-yardage situations — even with Westbrook — for most of the season. They could use a bigger back to add to the mix.TE — L.J. Smith was franchised last year, but he almost certainly won’t be back, except at perhaps a bargain type of deal. Brent Celek is an emerging pass receiver, but the team needs another option here — preferably one who can block, too.
In agreement here. I wouldn't be surprised to see both their first round picks spent on OL. Eagles usually dont spend on skill positions in the first so I'd expect to see TE in 2nd and a RB in a later round.
They have been looking for a safety to replace BDawk for a couple years. I think that need outweighs RB. Have to assume they will lose Lito which moves CB up in need too.Would love to see them get a big back, but given their 3rd on Tony Hunt is now a waste and their 4th traded for Booker is all but a waste, I think they'll go secondary before RB.Will be interesting if they try for Winslow or Gonzo first, but wouldn't be surprised if they use a 1st on a TE.
I agree that safety is a bigger concern than RB and wouldnt be surprised to see a safety on the first day. I dont see them spending a first day pick on a CB tho. Jack Ikegwuonu was on IR this year and could certainly step in to fill Lito's shoes (4th on the depth chart). Might see one later for depth however.
 
New Orleans Saints

S — The Saints’ defensive personnel has been particularly suspect at the two safety spots. New Orleans is notorious for giving up big plays and upgrades at safety are in order.

CB — New Orleans gave up 53 pass plays of 20 yards or more last season, which was the third-most in the league. Much of the blame goes to an ineffective group of corners.

OLB — OLBs Scott Fujita and Scott Shanle have done a decent job, but neither has made many big plays. The Saints need to get more athletic at outside ’backer.
Yes, to replacing and upgrading Safety. Harper isn't awful, despite the fact that he is responsible for at least 2 losses late in the season with PI calls against Carolina and Chicago. Bullocks, however, is bad and Kaesviharn is a back-up. They need a ballhawk, tough-minded safety in the worst way.CB overstated a little. Rookie Porter was surprising effective before going on IR after 5 games. McKenzie is a gambler and long in the tooth. Gay was improving as the season wore on. David did just enough to maybe keep him on the roster as #4. Yes, we need a shutdown corner but what team doesn't?

LB is a problem. Vilma was a nice addition and certainly an upgrade. Shanle actually played better than Fujita. Simoneau would have been a backup but was lost to injury before the season started. Dunbar had some moments but he's a special teamer at this point. Do we need a playmaker? Yes. Do we need some youth? Yes. A big hitter? Yes.

I would rank the positions, in terms of priority:

S

LB

CB

 
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New Orleans Saints

Yes, to replacing and upgrading Safety. Harper isn't awful, despite the fact that he is responsible for at least 2 losses late in the season with PI calls against Carolina and Chicago. Bullocks, however, is bad and Kaesviharn is a back-up. They need a ballhawk, tough-minded safety in the worst way.

CB overstated a little. Rookie Porter was surprising effective before going on IR after 5 games. McKenzie is a gambler and long in the tooth. Gay was improving as the season wore on. David did just enough to maybe keep him on the roster as #4. Yes, we need a shutdown corner but what team doesn't?

LB is a problem. Vilma was a nice addition and certainly an upgrade. Shanle actually played better than Fujita. Simoneau would have been a backup but was lost to injury before the season started. Dunbar had some moments but he's a special teamer at this point. Do we need a playmaker? Yes. Do we need some youth? Yes. A big hitter? Yes.

I would rank the positions, in terms of priority:

S

LB

CB
Fortunately for the Saints, the draft has a few impact LBs and some sleeper d-backs that they could target.How did Sedrick Ellis work out this year? Didn't hear much about him, which surprised me.

 
I'd be surprised if the Titans pick a WR in the 1st or the 2nd. DL or CB IMHO. BPA more than likely, and possible that they move depending on the previous runs in the draft

 
I disagree with PFW. While the Niners could certainly use a qb, they need a OT, safety, DT and a couple other pieces imo before they upgrade Hill.

Shaun isn't the next Manning but he's looked quite serviceable over the last two seasons.

 
Top 3 draft needs for all 32 teams.

On the clock

Top three draft needs for all 32 NFL teams

By PFW staff

Jan. 12, 2009

Dallas Cowboys

DL — Tank Johnson won’t be re-signed, DE Chris Canty is a free agent and Marcus Spears is heading into the final year of his deal.

LB — Zach Thomas might not return, and although Kevin Burnett is a good special-teamer, he hasn’t been durable. And who knows if Bobby Carpenter can be a starter?

SS — Roy Williams probably is gone, and FS Ken Hamlin’s play dropped off. The Cowboys could move Anthony Henry to safety, but they need a big-hitting playmaker there.
They got 3 of the 4 positions correct with interior Oline being the 4th. Lets look at the needs in a bit more detail.SS: The article indicates Roy is probably gone, and my guess is thats correct. Keith Davis will likely be re-signed. He's more of a special teamer and is less of a run-stuffer than Roy. Limited is coverage.

There is talk of moving Henry to free safety and Hamlin to SS. I don't think that happens and here's why. 1) Hamlin is a much better FS than SS. Hamlin does a good job QBing the defensive backfield. He gets everyone lined up correctly. 2) Hamlin doesnt have the size/tackling skills to be a SS. Anyone see him get steamrolled in the Baltimore game? Those long TD runs had a lot to do with Hamlin's missed tackling. Now 2 plays is hardly a large sample size. But he missed a lot of tackles this past year. Playing Hamlin and Henry together at safety would compromise the run defense. Yes, better against the pass. And I think you'll see that pairing on passing downs. But not the base defense.

So what this is all saying is that Dallas needs a STARTING strong safety. They haven't had a really versatile safety like that since Darren Woodson retired. Dallas was looking very closely at safeties last draft but went in other directions. I'd be VERY surprised if they got through round 3 without taking one.

ILB: Right now, Dallas' starting ILB next to Brady James is Barbi Carpenter. Its very possible that Dallas re-signs either Kevin Burnett or Zach Thomas. I don't believe both come back. But either becomes the starter next to James. Carpenter would not be terrible in the middle. He's obviously been a huge dissappointment since being a 1st round pick 3 seasons ago. Maybe now is the time to get some production.

Behind Carpenter and James is not much. Maybe special teamer Polk. So depth here is an issue. A cheap FA might also fill the bill here. Or they could try to draft a guy to start here in a year or two.

OLB: Ware and Spencer are the starters for several more seasons (assuming Ware gets extended). As of now, Greg Ellis is the 3rd OLB and designated nickle pass rusher. He's signed for 1 more year. I think he comes back for this role, though he's squabbling about wanting to be a starter. Special teamer Rogers is the next in line.

If Ellis is gone, then they need another OLB for depth. If Ellis stays, no real need here.

DL: Tank and Canty are both free agents. Dallas usually carries 6 or 7 DL on the active roster. Signed for next year are Ratliff, Spears, Bowen, and Hatcher. They need 2 more guys. They did just sign a guy off their practice squad. Don't think its much help though. I think Canty comes back if its at the right price. I have no clue about Tank. Lets assume Tank does not come back.

Dallas could use a big plugger NT. Its been a need since Jason Ferguson was traded to Miami. Ratliff plays an excellent nose, but he's much more of a penetrator, not a fire hydrant. Rat probably is a better DE than NT. So a big wide body would not surprise. There's a need and a likely roster spot for him.

Oline: Dallas has maybe 6 olinemen who can play. Flozell, Kosier, Gurode, Davis, Columbo, and Holland. Dallas' oline was exposed late in the season. Proctor proved to be a stop-gap player at best for the interior. McQuistan was tried and he failed. Doug Free can't make the active roster. Dallas can't expect to have only 1 oline position get hurt next year like this past year or zero the year before.

It is true that no starter positions are open here. But Dallas normally keeps 10 olinemen on the active roster normally. There are at least two open spots available. Expect at least 1 draft pick before the end of round 4 and probably 2 overall.

 
Pretty good article from Pro Football Weekly. What say you homers? Agree or disagree?

Top 3 draft needs for all 32 teams.

Cleveland Browns

OLB — The Browns notched only 17 sacks last season. A pass rusher who can complement Kamerion Wimbley is desperately needed.

S — Free-agent SS Sean Jones could draw plenty of interest from teams looking for more of a cover man at the position. FS Brodney Pool has played unevenly at times in his career.

RB — Jamal Lewis had only three runs of 20 yards more last season, and he will be 30 years of age in August. Drafting a runner to push Lewis and his backups could be in the cards.
Not sure what the new staff is planning on doing at the S position, but it was pretty far down the old regime's priority list...but I think that is because they planned to re-sign Jones.I think ILB and CB are greater priorities than RB, WR may be too. If I had to rank our needs in order they'd be

OLB

CB

ILB

RB

WR

The old regime thought the OL needed upgrading too, I'm not so sure about that. Health certainly could have helped this year, especially with Tucker, we missed him sorely. I'd like to see a couple of cheaper pieces added in free agency, hope our current bodies better dodge the injury bug, and make OL a greater priority in 010.

I expect one big free agent signing and several smaller ones - our big free agent signing being a LB (and our draft pick being an LB at the position we don't pursue in free agency), I'm thinking a Bobby Engram type of stopgap at WR, a Philip Buchannon type at CB, a vet like Charlie Batch as our backup QB, and two OL's but none of the top tier ones. I'm not going to assume Winslow or Braylon go, although either or both leaving is certainly possible. DA's a goner though, unless the latest rumors I heard regarding him being cut would not be as cap friendly as we were led to believe last offseason are true.

 
Pittsburgh SteelersOT — OLT Marvel Smith missed most of this season with a back injury and has finished the last two campaigns on injured reserve. Also, ORT Willie Colon has struggled in pass protection in his two seasons as a starter.OG — Neither OLG Chris Kemoeatu nor ORGs Darnell Stapleton and Kendall Simmons played exceptionally well this season.NT — The Steelers don’t have any pressing concerns about the play of NTs Casey Hampton and Chris Hoke, but finding a young run stuffer to groom behind the veterans might be on their offseason to-do list.
Agree with all 3, but would broaden it to include the entire offensive and defensive lines. Need starters now on offense and eventual starters on defense. Also would add CB where they need depth and future starters as well.
 
Draft order to date. Percentages are opponents W/L. Numbers with a "P" preceding them are changeable depending on playoff results.

1. Detroit 0-16 .551

2. St. Louis 2-14 .529

3. Kansas City 2-14 .537

4. Seattle 4-12 .498

5. Cleveland 4-12 .572

6. Cincinnati 4-11-1 .553

7. Oakland 5-11 .520

8. Jacksonville 5-11 .533

9. Green Bay 6-10 .496

10. San Francisco 7-9 .447

11. Buffalo 7-9 .453

12. Denver 8-8 .457

13. Washington 8-8 .479

14. New Orleans 8-8 .492

15. Houston 8-8 .514

16. San Diego 8-8 .516

17. New York Jets 9-7 .471

18. Chicago 9-7 .475

19. Tampa Bay 9-7 .477

20. Detroit (from Dallas) 9-7 .498

P21. Arizona/Philadelphia 9-7/9-6-1 .486/.510

22. Minnesota 10-6 .496

23. New England 11-5 .480

24. Atlanta 11-5 .455

25. Miami 11-5 .461

P26. Baltimore 11-5 .521

P27. Indianapolis 12-4 .494

P28. Philadelphia (from Carolina) 12-4 .484

P29. New York Giants 12-4 .502

30. Tennessee 13-3 .455

P31. Arizona/Philadelphia TBD TBD

P32. Pittsburgh 12-4 .525

 
Fortunately for the Saints, the draft has a few impact LBs and some sleeper d-backs that they could target.How did Sedrick Ellis work out this year? Didn't hear much about him, which surprised me.
ellis wasn't the hellraiser that we hoped for but he wasn't given much help. he was supposed to be paired with Brian Young (8 games) or even Hollis Thomas (8 games) but injuries pressed him into duty. so he was paired with Kendrick Clancy and with negligible results. 4 sacks made him the #2 sack artist for the team this year, which says a lot about the pass rush for NO. End of year grade? 30 tackles, 4 sacks. C+
 
Pretty good article from Pro Football Weekly. What say you homers? Agree or disagree?

Top 3 draft needs for all 32 teams.

On the clock

Top three draft needs for all 32 NFL teams

Houston Texans

S — The Texans very much need a playmaking safety, whether it’s a box safety who’s a hammer vs. the run or a rangy centerfielder who is strong vs. the pass.

CB — The Texans’ best cornerback, Dunta Robinson, is a free agent. Even if Robinson returns, the Texans need to improve their options at this important position.

DT — The Texans have invested heavily at this position to no avail; don’t be surprised if they’re again searching for an answer early in the ’09 draft.
The Texans don't have great CBs, but even with Bennett and Reeves the team will improve more with a pass rusher from DE opposite Williams than a better CB. Depending on the system that new DC brings OLB maybe a bigger ned, even though (generally) it is an easier fill that CB. You can argue the order but the other two S and DT belong in the top 3 with DE.
Indeed, Houston ranked 27th in the league in sacks with 25. Mario had 12 of those. Just goes to show you how poor the rest of the line is. Reeves gets a lot of flack but played much better than given credit for down the stretch. I would expect Robinson will be franchised if a new contract can't be worked out before the start of FA.
 
Hmm, Bengals, OT, C, DE. Yup. That about sums it up.

Of course if the Cards win it all they should be comfortable, it'll be essentially just like they traded away their 1st rounder :)

-QG

 
Hmm, Bengals, OT, C, DE. Yup. That about sums it up.Of course if the Cards win it all they should be comfortable, it'll be essentially just like they traded away their 1st rounder :sadbanana: -QG
Totally agree on the needs. Not sure what you mean on the 2nd statement.
 
Philadelphia EaglesOL — With Jon Runyan and Tra Thomas set to hit free agency and ORG Shawn Andrews coming off a serious back procedure, the line needs reinforcements.RB — There Eagles weren’t close to the same when Brian Westbrook was injured and they struggled in key short-yardage situations — even with Westbrook — for most of the season. They could use a bigger back to add to the mix.TE — L.J. Smith was franchised last year, but he almost certainly won’t be back, except at perhaps a bargain type of deal. Brent Celek is an emerging pass receiver, but the team needs another option here — preferably one who can block, too.
In agreement here. I wouldn't be surprised to see both their first round picks spent on OL. Eagles usually dont spend on skill positions in the first so I'd expect to see TE in 2nd and a RB in a later round.
I agree with these as well, but I think they might go RB in the 2nd. First 3 or 4 picks I think will be BPA across these 3 needs. I'd really like to see a back come in though. As Westy gets older I think they'll want to reduce his carries to keep him healthy and explosive, would be nice to have somebody else grind out some yards and convert a 3rd and short once in a while.
 
Those would be my priorities for the Raiders.

Thus far, seems like either Crabtree or an OT worth taking will be there.

 
Those would be my priorities for the Raiders.Thus far, seems like either Crabtree or an OT worth taking will be there.
No DE? Trade down a few spots and save 25 million (to use on Namdi) and take Orakpo or Johnson at DE. :eek:Or if you lose Nanmdi, you may be in the hunt for a CB in the 10-13 pick range.
I'd love a DE. DT, DE, WR, OT. I am fine with any of those. Free agency will eliminate at least one of these.DT isn't an option for us at this spot, unfortunately. Too much money invested in crappy players. Don't think we'll save 25 mill, tho. Picking 7 is a long way from picking #1. And Orakpo (for now) seems like he may go right in this area.
 
Pretty good article from Pro Football Weekly. What say you homers? Agree or disagree?

Top 3 draft needs for all 32 teams.

Detroit Lions

QB — Veterans Daunte Culpepper and Jon Kitna might be washed up. Dan Orlovsky is a free agent. Drew Stanton has hardly played in two years. Drew Henson is a reclamation project.

LB — The Lions badly need size and speed — guys who can make plays and make an impact. Lions linebackers combined for only one interception and four sacks. Jordon Dizon, a second-round pick in ’08, could be a bust.

CB — If the Lions decline their $8.6 million option on Leigh Bodden at the beginning of March, they’re really thin, even though Bodden was a disappointment in his first year with the team.
There are so many needs here it's almost like splitting hairs but I'd prefer to see DL on the list in place of QB. Not that QB isn't a glaring need. It is, but this is going to take many years to turn around. I'd prefer to get the defense at least respectable, go with Orlovsky if contract terms are livable or a comparable vet FA (Leftwich?) as a stop-gap and deal with a franchise QB in the 2010 draft.
 
Hmm, Bengals, OT, C, DE. Yup. That about sums it up.Of course if the Cards win it all they should be comfortable, it'll be essentially just like they traded away their 1st rounder :unsure: -QG
Totally agree on the needs. Not sure what you mean on the 2nd statement.
Basically if the Cardinals first pick is #32, that's pretty close to the #33 - #37 that their 2nd round pick would be in previous years. Ergo, it's like they are in roughly the same spot in the draft they are normally used to having, sans the #1 pick. Was lumping together two different points.-QG
 
Pretty good article from Pro Football Weekly. What say you homers? Agree or disagree?

Top 3 draft needs for all 32 teams.

Detroit Lions

QB — Veterans Daunte Culpepper and Jon Kitna might be washed up. Dan Orlovsky is a free agent. Drew Stanton has hardly played in two years. Drew Henson is a reclamation project.

LB — The Lions badly need size and speed — guys who can make plays and make an impact. Lions linebackers combined for only one interception and four sacks. Jordon Dizon, a second-round pick in ’08, could be a bust.

CB — If the Lions decline their $8.6 million option on Leigh Bodden at the beginning of March, they’re really thin, even though Bodden was a disappointment in his first year with the team.
There are so many needs here it's almost like splitting hairs but I'd prefer to see DL on the list in place of QB. Not that QB isn't a glaring need. It is, but this is going to take many years to turn around. I'd prefer to get the defense at least respectable, go with Orlovsky if contract terms are livable or a comparable vet FA (Leftwich?) as a stop-gap and deal with a franchise QB in the 2010 draft.
But then you're one year further behind in developing your QB of the future.
 
Pretty good article from Pro Football Weekly. What say you homers? Agree or disagree?

Top 3 draft needs for all 32 teams.

Detroit Lions

QB — Veterans Daunte Culpepper and Jon Kitna might be washed up. Dan Orlovsky is a free agent. Drew Stanton has hardly played in two years. Drew Henson is a reclamation project.

LB — The Lions badly need size and speed — guys who can make plays and make an impact. Lions linebackers combined for only one interception and four sacks. Jordon Dizon, a second-round pick in ’08, could be a bust.

CB — If the Lions decline their $8.6 million option on Leigh Bodden at the beginning of March, they’re really thin, even though Bodden was a disappointment in his first year with the team.
There are so many needs here it's almost like splitting hairs but I'd prefer to see DL on the list in place of QB. Not that QB isn't a glaring need. It is, but this is going to take many years to turn around. I'd prefer to get the defense at least respectable, go with Orlovsky if contract terms are livable or a comparable vet FA (Leftwich?) as a stop-gap and deal with a franchise QB in the 2010 draft.
But then you're one year further behind in developing your QB of the future.
To me, that's ok. Take an extra year or two if necessary to get it done and done right. The offense was ok (by Lions standards) and Calvin Johnson can allow you to make do with a competent journeyman for the time being. I'm not convinced that either Stafford or Bradford are the next can't-miss superstar NFL QB and I have no faith in the Lions finding and developing a later-round gem. I am certainly no college football expert, but at this point I'd prefer to roll the dice on next year's crop.But really, darn near anyone they draft in any round will likely be an improvement over what they already have, so I can't argue any one point too passionately. I'd just prefer them to (over) emphasize defense for now. That unit needs a personality, an identity and a vast infusion of talent. I'd love to see the 2009 draft be a significant building block toward creating that.

 
Philadelphia EaglesOL — With Jon Runyan and Tra Thomas set to hit free agency and ORG Shawn Andrews coming off a serious back procedure, the line needs reinforcements.RB — There Eagles weren’t close to the same when Brian Westbrook was injured and they struggled in key short-yardage situations — even with Westbrook — for most of the season. They could use a bigger back to add to the mix.TE — L.J. Smith was franchised last year, but he almost certainly won’t be back, except at perhaps a bargain type of deal. Brent Celek is an emerging pass receiver, but the team needs another option here — preferably one who can block, too.
In agreement here. I wouldn't be surprised to see both their first round picks spent on OL. Eagles usually dont spend on skill positions in the first so I'd expect to see TE in 2nd and a RB in a later round.
They have been looking for a safety to replace BDawk for a couple years. I think that need outweighs RB. Have to assume they will lose Lito which moves CB up in need too.Would love to see them get a big back, but given their 3rd on Tony Hunt is now a waste and their 4th traded for Booker is all but a waste, I think they'll go secondary before RB.Will be interesting if they try for Winslow or Gonzo first, but wouldn't be surprised if they use a 1st on a TE.
The depth at OL is interesting. Thomas and Runyan are both free agents, and I think as long as these guys want to play they'll be in Eagles green. They're both extremely durable and their level of play has not dropped off at all. Currently at guard we have a logjam with Herremans, Jean-Gilles, Andrews, and now Nick Cole with rookie Mike McGlynn in waiting. If one of the tackles goes out, Herremans most likely slides to the outside, and we still have King Dunlap and Winston Justice. It's hard to determine how the backups are considering the OL has for the most part been very consistent and healthy for a long time.Similarly, the team has stayed very healthy on the defensive side of the ball. Quintin Demps could be Dawkins' successor but there's no way to know at this point how that would pan out. Lito may be gone, but I think that having Asante, Sheldon, Joselio, and Ikegwuonu doesn't make that a pressing need.As has been with this team for the past couple years, there just simply aren't spots available for a lot of playing time. I would LOVE to see Moreno or Maclin added... a playmaker that can actually get on the field and contribute. I've seen a couple mocks with the Eagles taking the TE Pettigrew from OK State. I'd be fine with that also.Some of this may change if the Eagles win the Super Bowl
 
I'm just learning about a lot of these guys and I know the order will change considerably, so be gentle.

The order is based on "if the season ended today" and the picks are based on what I see are the most obvious needs for each team:

8. San Diego Chargers - Brian Cushing, OLB - USC

How much do the Chargers miss Shawne Merriman? Cushing would be a very good option as a pass rushing/run defending OLB in their 3-4.

Alternates: Wells, Cody
They really need RB help..Moreno is a perfect fit for their offense, great hands for a RB, athletic,versatile player..

might be able to trade down and STILL get Moreno.

:thumbdown:

Giants need a WR , yes, but they also need LB help, Pierce sucks, he's got to go, he's slow and has been exposed too many times recently as a guy who's constantly out of position and has lost that recovery speed to track people down.....I'd love for the G-men to trade up to take one of the LB's you've listed!!

throw out Plax and Derrick Ward as trade bait, and see who bites... :stalker:

 
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Some senior bowl notes from the last couple of days:

Russ Lande Sporting News (Wednesday).

Lande (Tuesday)

Lande (Monday)

SI's day 2 risers & sliders.

Sounds like Michael Oher really is struggling. :goodposting:

Alphonso Smith Impressing.

B.J. Raji dominating.
Based on what sporting news is saying?
I think that's what "sounds like" means. :lmao:
Just saying they haven't liked him from the beginning. They have him as the 8th rated T and not even going in the first round. In fact after just looking at it Sporting News by far has the worst mock draft I've seen.
 
Just saying they haven't liked him from the beginning. They have him as the 8th rated T and not even going in the first round. In fact after just looking at it Sporting News by far has the worst mock draft I've seen.
It is strange. I'd like to see another opinion too. I'd read an article earlier in the year that the Ole Miss staff was impressed with his decision to come back to school and had really improved his technique this year. Anyone who's read his story should want this kid to make it. I know I do.
 
Just saying they haven't liked him from the beginning. They have him as the 8th rated T and not even going in the first round. In fact after just looking at it Sporting News by far has the worst mock draft I've seen.
It is strange. I'd like to see another opinion too. I'd read an article earlier in the year that the Ole Miss staff was impressed with his decision to come back to school and had really improved his technique this year. Anyone who's read his story should want this kid to make it. I know I do.
Yeah I do too but one of their reasons is the story made him look to dumb to be able to learn the playbook.
 
is cushing - USC's OLB - a R1 pick?
Potentially, yes. Absolutely. The rough draft I did last night had him going to Atlanta (I'm assuming they're done with Brooking).
He is a superior prospect to Ray Maualuga and I think he goes in the 1st. He is going to be a solid 3-4 outside linebacker.
not a good fit in a 4-3 system?
I think he can be a solid OLB in the 4-3, but a superior player in a 3-4. Guy started his career as a d end and made a very smooth transition to linebacker. Was much more impressed with him in the USC film I watched than Maualuga. I think Maualuga is a reputation player. He is out of position consistently and is easily blocked for someone who has a reputation for being so aggressive.
 
I disagree with PFW. While the Niners could certainly use a qb, they need a OT, safety, DT and a couple other pieces imo before they upgrade Hill. Shaun isn't the next Manning but he's looked quite serviceable over the last two seasons.
I agree with this. Niners biggest need IMO is a 3-4 NT. I wish they'd drafted Ngata a couple of years ago. Other big areas of need are RT (other line positions are pretty solid for now) and they badly need to upgrade Mark Roman at FS. Michael Lewis has been pretty good at SS the past couple of years, but he's getting up there in age and they will need to groom a replacement for him.I'd like them to take a later round QB and try to develop him slowly.
 
Thanks Andy.

Raji is moving toward the top 10 in the draft this week it seems. He's all the rage at practices.

I'm not sure I understand why Kirwan is stating Raji is perfect for the 4-3 but not the 3-4. Is it just because of his height?

 
Thanks for the info, Andy...

Looks like this guy sees Barden a bit differently than our FBG guys.
For what it's worth I've watched all the practices on NFL network and I agree with the FBG guys, not sure about what Kirwin is seeing from Barden but I have seen a guy who can't separate at the line and is slow.
I only caught Barden once on the broadcast, but yeah looked just as you described.
 
Some senior bowl notes from the last couple of days:

Russ Lande Sporting News (Wednesday).

Lande (Tuesday)

Lande (Monday)

SI's day 2 risers & sliders.

Sounds like Michael Oher really is struggling. :sadbanana:

Alphonso Smith Impressing.

B.J. Raji dominating.
Based on what sporting news is saying?
I think that's what "sounds like" means. :shrug: ;) Have you read/heard differently?
nfldraftscout.com on Oher Michael Oher, OT, Mississippi: If anyone still doubted Oher's potential as a dominant NFL left tackle, Wednesday's practice quieted that nonsense. His athleticism is unmistakable and he plays with enough aggression to sustain his block through the whistle. He's the best player on the field.

 
Some senior bowl notes from the last couple of days:

Russ Lande Sporting News (Wednesday).

Lande (Tuesday)

Lande (Monday)

SI's day 2 risers & sliders.

Sounds like Michael Oher really is struggling. :goodposting:

Alphonso Smith Impressing.

B.J. Raji dominating.
Based on what sporting news is saying?
I think that's what "sounds like" means. :goodposting: :goodposting:Have you read/heard differently?
nfldraftscout.com on Oher Michael Oher, OT, Mississippi: If anyone still doubted Oher's potential as a dominant NFL left tackle, Wednesday's practice quieted that nonsense. His athleticism is unmistakable and he plays with enough aggression to sustain his block through the whistle. He's the best player on the field.
Excellent! Thanks for the find. :goodposting: I think NFLDraftscout and Rob Rang are my favorite evaluators. I take this evaluation with more credibility than most others.

 
Raji is moving toward the top 10 in the draft this week it seems. He's all the rage at practices.I'm not sure I understand why Kirwan is stating Raji is perfect for the 4-3 but not the 3-4. Is it just because of his height?
He's talking out of his a@#$ in my opinion. Raji is built almost exactly like the current Steelers' noseguard, who happens to be a former Pro Bowler. He's one inch shorter, and about 25 pounds heavier, than the Steelers' long-time noseguard prior to Hampton. That guy was also a Pro Bowler. Vince Wilfork has also made the Pro Bowl, IIRC, and has played nosetackle a good deal. He's about the same weight and and only an inch taller.If he thinks Raji can't man the nose because he's not 6'4" he hasn't been paying attention to many successful 3-4 teams for the past, oh, 15 years. Playing on the nose is about strength and leverage. Raji has both, plus he's showing he can beat doubles. That's about as textbook as you can get for a noseguard. There are other things to be concerned about for a team that takes Raji, maybe, but being able to play on the nose because he's only 6'1" shouldn't be one of them.
 
Raji is moving toward the top 10 in the draft this week it seems. He's all the rage at practices.I'm not sure I understand why Kirwan is stating Raji is perfect for the 4-3 but not the 3-4. Is it just because of his height?
He's talking out of his a@#$ in my opinion. Raji is built almost exactly like the current Steelers' noseguard, who happens to be a former Pro Bowler. He's one inch shorter, and about 25 pounds heavier, than the Steelers' long-time noseguard prior to Hampton. That guy was also a Pro Bowler. Vince Wilfork has also made the Pro Bowl, IIRC, and has played nosetackle a good deal. He's about the same weight and and only an inch taller.If he thinks Raji can't man the nose because he's not 6'4" he hasn't been paying attention to many successful 3-4 teams for the past, oh, 15 years. Playing on the nose is about strength and leverage. Raji has both, plus he's showing he can beat doubles. That's about as textbook as you can get for a noseguard. There are other things to be concerned about for a team that takes Raji, maybe, but being able to play on the nose because he's only 6'1" shouldn't be one of them.
Agree 100%.3-4 teams at the top of the draft absolutely have this guy on their radar.
 
A bit late, but....

JETS

CB — The Jets employed a CB-by-committee approach to filling the spot opposite young star Darrelle Revis in 2008. It didn’t work.

DE — Defensive end is the one front-seven position the Jets haven’t appropriately addressed in their transition from the 4-3 to the 3-4. Shaun Ellis enjoyed a rebound season in 2008, but Kenyon Coleman doesn’t offer much.

QB — With Brett Favre unlikely to return, Kellen Clemens assumes starting honors. They obviously aren’t sold on him considering their acquisition of Favre in the first place.

CB/DB- The Jets DO need a DB, but a good cover safety might fit just as well as an upgrade at CB. A cover safety brings Rhodes back into the playmaker's role, ala Ed Reed's role in a Ryan defense. Elam/Smith at SS OR the CB spot opposite Revis has to be addressed, but not necessarilly both, at least this year.

DE- Ellis and Coleman are OK IF Pace rotates in on passing downs, which leads to needing either Gholston or another OLB that can pass rush to be added to the mix. Ellis and Colemn played the rush pretty well, but the pass rush has to be augmented with another OLB that can get to the QB better than Bryan Thomas can. If Hobson leaves, then an ILB becomes much more of a need than DE. Pace simply cannot play coverage as an OLB on passing downs. That is a mismatch that was exploited by opposing offenses all year, and a big part of why the Jets' pass D was so bad.

QB- They will let the dice role... it's Favre or Clemens/Ratliff with Ainge on the bubble. The latter 3 have yet to be given an opportunity to play in the NFL behind an offensive line that can pass block. Favre did... and he was awful. QB will be at the bottom of the FA/draft strategy this year.

The 3-4 is all about the NT and the LB's. Jenkins is great, but this defense needs a reliable backup/rotational NT behind Jenkins. When he broke down in 2008, so did the defense. Now... go find a good 3-4 NT... good luck with that. They are few and far between.

The Jets need another RB behind Jones and Leon. Chatman looked good early before going on IR, and is now an UFA.

WR- This is the top need IMO, but not likely to be addressed by a R Ryan philosophy. AZ may have a need at OLB/DE after this season... I dream of a deal of the first round pick and Bryan Thomas for Boldin, but it won't happen. The Jets have 3 possession WR's, and 3 smallish fast deep WR's. What is missing is the big end zone guy that can get YAC. Boldin, even with his baggage would be perfect.

Top needs:

LB, either ILB or OLB.

DB, a cover safety or a CB.

RB/WR- Depth at RB, a game breaker at WR.

 

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