If Miami beats the Chiefs and the Jets beat Seattle this week, They play for the AFC east tilte next week. Thus Jake Long or D'Brick will make the playoffs.More talent is available in this draft at the tackle position than at QB.That may be true but if Detroit does not get some oline help God could not survive at QB. I think Orlovsky can be a good enough QB if he gets coached correctly.Much rater see Oher or A Smith.They're just saying that because of their dislike for the spread offense. They think by default that he can't make it because of that.The Oklahoma offense and Bradford's running of it is not your typical spread offense. Typically spread offenses are more like a "one and run" offense where if the first read isn't there the QB either runs or eats the ball. Bradford, OTOH, goes through his progressions nicely, can throw on the run and is accurate while doing so. Also, most spread qb's have terrible footwork. Bradford almost always sets his feet quickly before delivering his passes. His style is more reminiscent of Manning in the Colts offense. It may take Bradford a while to get used to dropping back from center more, but his footwork and agility that he shows now leads me to believe that won't be a problem.Ouch kick a man while he is down why don't you. But in all seriousness not many annalist think that Bradford's game will translate good to the NFL.
Not from the playoffs he doesn't.Jake Long says hiLook at the teams most likely to make the playoffs and I'd bet that the vast majority of fans don't know who their starting LT is and if you look closely, only a couple of them (Carolina & Minnesota) have starting LT's taken in the top 10.![]()
Point taken. But if they hadn't picked up Chad Pennington I think that would have been extremely unlikely.I guess the arguement then becomes whether or not the Lions could replicate that with a Smith/Oher and Culpepper combo. I don't know.If Miami beats the Chiefs and the Jets beat Seattle this week, They play for the AFC east tilte next week. Thus Jake Long or D'Brick will make the playoffs.
I agree they need o-linemen. But you have to take the player at the right time. Teams get in trouble when they draft according to need only and not take a better player just because of that need.If the Steelers dont take an OL I'll crap my pants and throw-up at the same time.I agree Townsend is getting old, but Bryant McFadden is their other corner, Townsend is a nickle guy who is very good at covering the slot WR. McFadden broke his arm and recently came back. I would agree with the pick if the Steelers were to sign a proven OL free agent.Great stuff!!!!
Well, Chad Pennington wasn't exactly viewed as a messiah by the league coming into the season. More of an also-ran on his way out.Besides, the original point you made was that there were only two teams that drafted tackles in the top 10 in the playoffs, not that there were only two teams that drafted tackles in the top 10 and had ex-retired kneeless quarterbacks in the playoffs.Point taken. But if they hadn't picked up Chad Pennington I think that would have been extremely unlikely.I guess the arguement then becomes whether or not the Lions could replicate that with a Smith/Oher and Culpepper combo. I don't know.If Miami beats the Chiefs and the Jets beat Seattle this week, They play for the AFC east tilte next week. Thus Jake Long or D'Brick will make the playoffs.
This talk frustrates me to no end. What are Mendenhall and Sweed doing for the Steelers right now? Could they have packaged 1 & 2 last year to get Jeff Otah. Potentially. The Steelers can't continue to ignore this position as it is such a great need. Elite quality OL aren't going to fall to the second half of the first round...so does this mean the Steelers should never address this spot? They have a bottom 10 OL (which appears to be their only REAL weak point outside of punter, who they have on IR). They're potentially losing 3 players in FA off of a bad OL. They don't typically bring in big name Free Agents. Who is going to block for the Steelers next year? I'm typically a best player available guy, but when you are seemingly set at all other positions and have such a glaring need at 1, you'd better look at that 1. If they ignore their offensive line much longer, they'll have to draft a franchise QB soon...Ben can't survive the beatings he gets.SUCK IT UP AND REACH FOR A LINEMAN OR TWO.I agree they need o-linemen. But you have to take the player at the right time. Teams get in trouble when they draft according to need only and not take a better player just because of that need.If the Steelers dont take an OL I'll crap my pants and throw-up at the same time.I agree Townsend is getting old, but Bryant McFadden is their other corner, Townsend is a nickle guy who is very good at covering the slot WR. McFadden broke his arm and recently came back. I would agree with the pick if the Steelers were to sign a proven OL free agent.Great stuff!!!!
Yeah, sorry. Didn't see that until now. I thought you kept updating your original post.Well, you're looking at the older mock I did. The one we're currently talking about is in post 112. And this time around, I do have him taking Crabtree.As far as 2nd round tackles, a lot depends on who declares and how they show at the combine. The guys that are most likely to be there in the 2nd are Phil Loadholt from Oklahoma, Jamon Meridith from South Carolina, Troy Kropog from Tulane, and Russell Okung from Oklahoma St. (although he's a possible 1st rounder).Getting a top notch tackle would certainly go a long ways in better protecting the team's long term investment with Russell at QB. AD is known to go against the grain and instead of doing what arguable should be done, go with something that's far less of a need. It wouldn't be surprising IMO, if he went with Crabtree or Johnson or even Jenkins, especially if they lose Asomugha. My question is, what are some tackle prospects that could be there when the team picks in the 2nd round (or would warrant being picked there)? Thanks a lot.5. Oakland Raiders - Eugene Monroe, OT - Virginia
Al Davis takes his pills and drafts a guy that can actually help his team. Monroe charters a hearse to drive him to Oakland.
Alternates: Orakpo, Michael Johnson
The point was really that there's little correlation with taking a LT high in the draft and having success. I think there's more correlation in poor QB = increased likelihood of poor/average record and good QB = increased likelihood of a good record.In other words, in my mind, QB > LT.Well, Chad Pennington wasn't exactly viewed as a messiah by the league coming into the season. More of an also-ran on his way out.Besides, the original point you made was that there were only two teams that drafted tackles in the top 10 in the playoffs, not that there were only two teams that drafted tackles in the top 10 and had ex-retired kneeless quarterbacks in the playoffs.Point taken. But if they hadn't picked up Chad Pennington I think that would have been extremely unlikely.I guess the arguement then becomes whether or not the Lions could replicate that with a Smith/Oher and Culpepper combo. I don't know.If Miami beats the Chiefs and the Jets beat Seattle this week, They play for the AFC east tilte next week. Thus Jake Long or D'Brick will make the playoffs.![]()
A couple guys that are interesting as a 3-4 OLB are Clint Sintim (who I have going to the Pats) and Brian Cushing. I'm not sure how crazy the Jets would be to try to convert another smaller DE to an OLB so that, in my mind excludes a guy like Selvie, for example.although i like moreno, I'd be surprised if the Jets went there. TJ, while old, has looked outstanding this year. Plus, Leon Washington is a major playmaker. The Jets are a win now team, and adding a 3rd RB to the stable for what could be Favre's last year (assuming he stays for 2009) doesn't really help that agenda. I'd love to see us grab a big fast safety to play next to Kerry Rhodes. Eric Smith is too slow and Abram Elam is too inconsistent to let Rhodes roam free and make plays. He's been stuck playing center field all year, and it has killed his production. I could see the jets going with a 3-4 DE (Ellis is getting older and less productive as a pass rusher) or an ILB as well (Barton is ok, but not great. I also believe he's a FA this year and will be asking for a decent raise)Finally, if Gholston is indeed a bust (and thats a VERY legitimate concern right now) the OLB position opposite Calvin Pace is a hole that would have to be filled.
Problem is that McFadden is a FA after this season and is represented by Rosenhaus. If the injury didn't deplete his value, his asking price may be too much for Pittsburgh. If he leaves and Townsend is fading, they potentially have a serious depth issue at CB, even if Gay and Taylor are capable starters (jury still out on Gay as well.)If the Steelers dont take an OL I'll crap my pants and throw-up at the same time.I agree Townsend is getting old, but Bryant McFadden is their other corner, Townsend is a nickle guy who is very good at covering the slot WR. McFadden broke his arm and recently came back. I would agree with the pick if the Steelers were to sign a proven OL free agent.Great stuff!!!!
They may be in luck this year as the two guys from Oklahoma may be there in the late 20s/early 30s. Loadholt if they want a RT and move Colon inside to RG or Duke Robinson if they insist on leaving Colon at RT. I think Starks gets signed long term at LT and Marvel is finished in Pittsburgh.This talk frustrates me to no end. What are Mendenhall and Sweed doing for the Steelers right now? Could they have packaged 1 & 2 last year to get Jeff Otah. Potentially. The Steelers can't continue to ignore this position as it is such a great need. Elite quality OL aren't going to fall to the second half of the first round...so does this mean the Steelers should never address this spot? They have a bottom 10 OL (which appears to be their only REAL weak point outside of punter, who they have on IR). They're potentially losing 3 players in FA off of a bad OL. They don't typically bring in big name Free Agents. Who is going to block for the Steelers next year? I'm typically a best player available guy, but when you are seemingly set at all other positions and have such a glaring need at 1, you'd better look at that 1. If they ignore their offensive line much longer, they'll have to draft a franchise QB soon...Ben can't survive the beatings he gets.SUCK IT UP AND REACH FOR A LINEMAN OR TWO.
I agree that we'll probably lock one of our FA OL up, and that it probably is Starks. I'd love to see one of the OU guys drop, but even if they don't, they must seriously consider who's next in line. Trying to pick up a diamond in the rough OL in the 4th-6th just doesn't happen as much in the modern NFL. I'm pretty sure Hills isn't going to help us out any time soon.Problem is that McFadden is a FA after this season and is represented by Rosenhaus. If the injury didn't deplete his value, his asking price may be too much for Pittsburgh. If he leaves and Townsend is fading, they potentially have a serious depth issue at CB, even if Gay and Taylor are capable starters (jury still out on Gay as well.)If the Steelers dont take an OL I'll crap my pants and throw-up at the same time.I agree Townsend is getting old, but Bryant McFadden is their other corner, Townsend is a nickle guy who is very good at covering the slot WR. McFadden broke his arm and recently came back. I would agree with the pick if the Steelers were to sign a proven OL free agent.Great stuff!!!!They may be in luck this year as the two guys from Oklahoma may be there in the late 20s/early 30s. Loadholt if they want a RT and move Colon inside to RG or Duke Robinson if they insist on leaving Colon at RT. I think Starks gets signed long term at LT and Marvel is finished in Pittsburgh.This talk frustrates me to no end. What are Mendenhall and Sweed doing for the Steelers right now? Could they have packaged 1 & 2 last year to get Jeff Otah. Potentially. The Steelers can't continue to ignore this position as it is such a great need. Elite quality OL aren't going to fall to the second half of the first round...so does this mean the Steelers should never address this spot? They have a bottom 10 OL (which appears to be their only REAL weak point outside of punter, who they have on IR). They're potentially losing 3 players in FA off of a bad OL. They don't typically bring in big name Free Agents. Who is going to block for the Steelers next year? I'm typically a best player available guy, but when you are seemingly set at all other positions and have such a glaring need at 1, you'd better look at that 1. If they ignore their offensive line much longer, they'll have to draft a franchise QB soon...Ben can't survive the beatings he gets.SUCK IT UP AND REACH FOR A LINEMAN OR TWO.
I get what you were saying, but the example you used to demonstrate it was that supposedly only two of the likely playoff teams have a LT drafted in the top 10, which isn't right because it's very likely that either the Fins or the Jets win the East, both of whom have a LT they drafted in the top 10.In other news, only two of the likely playoff teams (Indy and NYG) drafted a QB in the top 10 (Eli was basically "drafted" by the Giants), so that example doesn't really prove the point you were trying to make in the slightest.Anyway, I don't know why I'm arguing this as I don't necessarily disagree with you, just that the argument used for it was heavily flawed in two distinct ways. So basically I'm being a nitpicky jerkoff about it for no reason, and I'm sorry. I'll let it go nowAndy Dufresne said:The point was really that there's little correlation with taking a LT high in the draft and having success. I think there's more correlation in poor QB = increased likelihood of poor/average record and good QB = increased likelihood of a good record.In other words, in my mind, QB > LT.FreeBaGeL said:Well, Chad Pennington wasn't exactly viewed as a messiah by the league coming into the season. More of an also-ran on his way out.Besides, the original point you made was that there were only two teams that drafted tackles in the top 10 in the playoffs, not that there were only two teams that drafted tackles in the top 10 and had ex-retired kneeless quarterbacks in the playoffs.Andy Dufresne said:Point taken. But if they hadn't picked up Chad Pennington I think that would have been extremely unlikely.I guess the arguement then becomes whether or not the Lions could replicate that with a Smith/Oher and Culpepper combo. I don't know.fatkid said:If Miami beats the Chiefs and the Jets beat Seattle this week, They play for the AFC east tilte next week. Thus Jake Long or D'Brick will make the playoffs.![]()
Loadholt isn't a day 1 prospect, IMO. Guy has concrete shoes when he blocks. Robinson is going to have trouble as a pro as well. Solid one on one blocker, but not very athletic. NFL D Tackles are going to give him problems.Problem is that McFadden is a FA after this season and is represented by Rosenhaus. If the injury didn't deplete his value, his asking price may be too much for Pittsburgh. If he leaves and Townsend is fading, they potentially have a serious depth issue at CB, even if Gay and Taylor are capable starters (jury still out on Gay as well.)If the Steelers dont take an OL I'll crap my pants and throw-up at the same time.I agree Townsend is getting old, but Bryant McFadden is their other corner, Townsend is a nickle guy who is very good at covering the slot WR. McFadden broke his arm and recently came back. I would agree with the pick if the Steelers were to sign a proven OL free agent.Great stuff!!!!They may be in luck this year as the two guys from Oklahoma may be there in the late 20s/early 30s. Loadholt if they want a RT and move Colon inside to RG or Duke Robinson if they insist on leaving Colon at RT. I think Starks gets signed long term at LT and Marvel is finished in Pittsburgh.This talk frustrates me to no end. What are Mendenhall and Sweed doing for the Steelers right now? Could they have packaged 1 & 2 last year to get Jeff Otah. Potentially. The Steelers can't continue to ignore this position as it is such a great need. Elite quality OL aren't going to fall to the second half of the first round...so does this mean the Steelers should never address this spot? They have a bottom 10 OL (which appears to be their only REAL weak point outside of punter, who they have on IR). They're potentially losing 3 players in FA off of a bad OL. They don't typically bring in big name Free Agents. Who is going to block for the Steelers next year? I'm typically a best player available guy, but when you are seemingly set at all other positions and have such a glaring need at 1, you'd better look at that 1. If they ignore their offensive line much longer, they'll have to draft a franchise QB soon...Ben can't survive the beatings he gets.SUCK IT UP AND REACH FOR A LINEMAN OR TWO.
Only 2 RB's in the first round? has that ever happened before? Shonn Greene wouldn't be selected in the first round?If Pat and Kevin Williams get suspended, I might be getting into the mode hot and heavy sooner than ever.I love when Andy gets into mock draft mode.... thanks for the read.![]()
Link to Rolle declaring? Haven't seen that one yet.Andy Dufresne said:SS Myron Rolle ~ Florida State Jr.
Recently as 2007, and several times before thathttp://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft...p;type=positionOnly 2 RB's in the first round? has that ever happened before? Shonn Greene wouldn't be selected in the first round?If Pat and Kevin Williams get suspended, I might be getting into the mode hot and heavy sooner than ever.I love when Andy gets into mock draft mode.... thanks for the read.![]()
Greene might be seen as a bit (just a bit) of a plodder that doesn't have quite the wiggle of an elite back. Most people didn't think Kevin Smith would last until round three last year either.And when I did this mock, Greene hadn't yet declared and I wasn't too sure he would. I'd be tempted to put him in the 1st.Only 2 RB's in the first round? has that ever happened before? Shonn Greene wouldn't be selected in the first round?If Pat and Kevin Williams get suspended, I might be getting into the mode hot and heavy sooner than ever.I love when Andy gets into mock draft mode.... thanks for the read.![]()
I'll have to look for it. That one surprised me as well. The latest I'd heard was that he was going to accept his Rhodes Scholarship.Link to Rolle declaring? Haven't seen that one yet.Andy Dufresne said:SS Myron Rolle ~ Florida State Jr.
Nice post, Alex Mack at 75 and Tyson Jackson -DE at 79 are two others that were lower than most other sites.Top 100 by the The National Football Post.
Different than some other rankings out there. Monroe at 24 certainly jumps out, IMO.
This is a little over a month old but according to this he will not be back at FSU. That doesn't necessarily mean he'll enter the draft though. Any newer news on this?LinkLink to Rolle declaring? Haven't seen that one yet.Andy Dufresne said:SS Myron Rolle ~ Florida State Jr.
I'm just hoping Mack's there at 38 for my Who Deys. I doubt he'd go later than that (at least I hope not).-QGNice post, Alex Mack at 75 and Tyson Jackson -DE at 79 are two others that were lower than most other sites.Top 100 by the The National Football Post.
Different than some other rankings out there. Monroe at 24 certainly jumps out, IMO.
All the more reason to take one. Just because one guy busted out doesn't mean that you don't try to fix the problem. And IMO the d-line was definitely the problem this year for the Pack.Im unimpressed by alot of the DE talent right now and would rather see GB get Cody or McCoy as a DT.Love both of them but not sure how much TT wants to use a top 10 pick on a DT after using a 16 on a DT who has yet to do anything besides rehab injuries.
I think he could have the same impact as a guy like DeSean Jackson has had this year for the Eagles. I'm not sure he's a true #1 WR by any means, but like you said he could be a multi-dimensional threat that a lot of teams are getting mileage from these days.Probably no lower than a 2nd rounder.And where does anyone see Percy Harvin.IMO, he could be used in a Reggie Bush type role...but more in the slot at WR and some in the backfield.Explosive athlete...though, an injury history that will not help his cause.
LB is certainly an area of need, but it's a distant third to OL and DL for this team. Moreover, Maualuga is more of an attacking LB in the Trotter or Seau mold, and Blache's scheme uses more of a read-and-react style for its LB's. I think they're choosing best available OL or DL here, that is if they don't trade down out of this spot for more picks.13. Washington - Rey Maualuga, LB - USC
Another player drawing mixed reviews, but he would be just the "thumper" that the Skins could use in the physical NFC East.
Maybe you already have that player in Felix Jones.i love Percy Harvin. I think he's going to be a great pro. Slot WR run after the catch type. As a Dallas fan I'd love to see him end up with the Cowboys, although they have much bigger issues at the moment.
Norwood is stayingAndy Dufresne said:Updated List of Declared Juniors:
QB Josh Freeman ~ Kansas State Jr.
RB Shonn Greene ~ Iowa Jr.
RB Donald Brown ~ Connecticut Jr.
WR Kenny Britt ~ Rutgers Jr.
TE Andrew Davie ~ Arkansas Jr.
OT Andre Smith ~ Alabama Jr.
OT Eben Britton ~ Arizona Jr.
DT Sen'Derrick Marks ~ Auburn Jr.
DT Chris Baker ~ Hampton Jr.
LB Eric Norwood ~ South Carolina Jr.
CB Vontae Davis ~ Illinois Jr.
CB Captain Munnerlyn ~ South Carolina Jr.
CB D.J. Moore ~ Vanderbilt Jr.
SS Myron Rolle ~ Florida State Jr.
Noted.Good effort as always, AD.
LB is certainly an area of need, but it's a distant third to OL and DL for this team. Moreover, Maualuga is more of an attacking LB in the Trotter or Seau mold, and Blache's scheme uses more of a read-and-react style for its LB's. I think they're choosing best available OL or DL here, that is if they don't trade down out of this spot for more picks.13. Washington - Rey Maualuga, LB - USC
Another player drawing mixed reviews, but he would be just the "thumper" that the Skins could use in the physical NFC East.
Someone was watching Sportscenter tonight.i love Percy Harvin. I think he's going to be a great pro. Slot WR run after the catch type. As a Dallas fan I'd love to see him end up with the Cowboys, although they have much bigger issues at the moment.
I think any team that does not have two bona fide better than average starters at the three interior line positions would be crazy not to pull the trigger on Mack anywhere from SF at 10 and on downwards. Tennessee would gobble him up at the end of R1 and KC would totally snatch him at the top of R2 also. If I was the Bengals, and thank heavens I'm not, I would not hesitate to take him at 6 because Mike Brown will save money signing a G/C there as opposed to an OT. OT can wait for R2 because it is super deep this year. They totally effed Palmer by letting Steinbach go a couple years back and if they want to see Palmer finish a season they gotta sign and/or draft at least two guys to shore up that blockin' hot mess. Personally, I want him to fall to the Chiefs in R2 but that will not happen.I'm just hoping Mack's there at 38 for my Who Deys. I doubt he'd go later than that (at least I hope not).-QGNice post, Alex Mack at 75 and Tyson Jackson -DE at 79 are two others that were lower than most other sites.Top 100 by the The National Football Post.
Different than some other rankings out there. Monroe at 24 certainly jumps out, IMO.
There are only 64 Day 1 picks now. He's not a lock for that at all but could be if he runs well at the combine. Regardless he should go in the top 100.Hakim Nicks WR - NC has declared. Thoughts? day one pick for sure?
ah right, first three rounds thenThere are only 64 Day 1 picks now. He's not a lock for that at all but could be if he runs well at the combine. Regardless he should go in the top 100.Hakim Nicks WR - NC has declared. Thoughts? day one pick for sure?
I have no problem trading up and getting a top o-lineman but I don't like spending a #1 on a late 2nd or 3rd round pick. If they can trade up to get a good o-lineman then great. If not then take another position (CB or DT) or trade out of the 1st.This talk frustrates me to no end. What are Mendenhall and Sweed doing for the Steelers right now? Could they have packaged 1 & 2 last year to get Jeff Otah. Potentially. The Steelers can't continue to ignore this position as it is such a great need. Elite quality OL aren't going to fall to the second half of the first round...so does this mean the Steelers should never address this spot? They have a bottom 10 OL (which appears to be their only REAL weak point outside of punter, who they have on IR). They're potentially losing 3 players in FA off of a bad OL. They don't typically bring in big name Free Agents. Who is going to block for the Steelers next year? I'm typically a best player available guy, but when you are seemingly set at all other positions and have such a glaring need at 1, you'd better look at that 1. If they ignore their offensive line much longer, they'll have to draft a franchise QB soon...Ben can't survive the beatings he gets.SUCK IT UP AND REACH FOR A LINEMAN OR TWO.I agree they need o-linemen. But you have to take the player at the right time. Teams get in trouble when they draft according to need only and not take a better player just because of that need.If the Steelers dont take an OL I'll crap my pants and throw-up at the same time.I agree Townsend is getting old, but Bryant McFadden is their other corner, Townsend is a nickle guy who is very good at covering the slot WR. McFadden broke his arm and recently came back. I would agree with the pick if the Steelers were to sign a proven OL free agent.Great stuff!!!!
I am really impressed with this kid. If he goes to a decent system with some opportunity, he could do extremely well right out of the gate.ah right, first three rounds thenThere are only 64 Day 1 picks now. He's not a lock for that at all but could be if he runs well at the combine. Regardless he should go in the top 100.Hakim Nicks WR - NC has declared. Thoughts? day one pick for sure?
It depends on the new D coordinator, but rumblings are a change to 3-4 defense in Green Bay.It's subject to change of course, but as a Pack fan I'd be fine with hearing any of the following 4 names.Brian OrakpoTerrence CodyMalcolm JenkinsEugene MonroeAll the more reason to take one. Just because one guy busted out doesn't mean that you don't try to fix the problem. And IMO the d-line was definitely the problem this year for the Pack.Im unimpressed by alot of the DE talent right now and would rather see GB get Cody or McCoy as a DT.Love both of them but not sure how much TT wants to use a top 10 pick on a DT after using a 16 on a DT who has yet to do anything besides rehab injuries.
Trading down to the middle of the round would fly with me if they got him or conversely try to move up from their second round pick. Very tired of watching us get blown up at that spot. Can't imagine we won't have taken one of the top 4 C's by the time our 3rd round pick is passed.-QGthe UFFRM said:I think any team that does not have two bona fide better than average starters at the three interior line positions would be crazy not to pull the trigger on Mack anywhere from SF at 10 and on downwards. Tennessee would gobble him up at the end of R1 and KC would totally snatch him at the top of R2 also. If I was the Bengals, and thank heavens I'm not, I would not hesitate to take him at 6 because Mike Brown will save money signing a G/C there as opposed to an OT. OT can wait for R2 because it is super deep this year. They totally effed Palmer by letting Steinbach go a couple years back and if they want to see Palmer finish a season they gotta sign and/or draft at least two guys to shore up that blockin' hot mess. Personally, I want him to fall to the Chiefs in R2 but that will not happen.I'm just hoping Mack's there at 38 for my Who Deys. I doubt he'd go later than that (at least I hope not).-QGNice post, Alex Mack at 75 and Tyson Jackson -DE at 79 are two others that were lower than most other sites.Top 100 by the The National Football Post.
Different than some other rankings out there. Monroe at 24 certainly jumps out, IMO.
How bout for Philly's firsts?Trading down to the middle of the round would fly with me if they got him or conversely try to move up from their second round pick. Very tired of watching us get blown up at that spot. Can't imagine we won't have taken one of the top 4 C's by the time our 3rd round pick is passed.-QGthe UFFRM said:I think any team that does not have two bona fide better than average starters at the three interior line positions would be crazy not to pull the trigger on Mack anywhere from SF at 10 and on downwards. Tennessee would gobble him up at the end of R1 and KC would totally snatch him at the top of R2 also. If I was the Bengals, and thank heavens I'm not, I would not hesitate to take him at 6 because Mike Brown will save money signing a G/C there as opposed to an OT. OT can wait for R2 because it is super deep this year. They totally effed Palmer by letting Steinbach go a couple years back and if they want to see Palmer finish a season they gotta sign and/or draft at least two guys to shore up that blockin' hot mess. Personally, I want him to fall to the Chiefs in R2 but that will not happen.I'm just hoping Mack's there at 38 for my Who Deys. I doubt he'd go later than that (at least I hope not).-QGNice post, Alex Mack at 75 and Tyson Jackson -DE at 79 are two others that were lower than most other sites.Top 100 by the The National Football Post.
Different than some other rankings out there. Monroe at 24 certainly jumps out, IMO.
On the clock
Top three draft needs for all 32 NFL teams
By PFW staff
Jan. 12, 2009
With the season complete for 28 of the 32 NFL teams, most teams are fully preparing to address needs in the offseason, particularly in April's draft. What follows is a list of the top three areas of need for all 32 teams, along with a comment or two about why each position is a priority for that respective team to address. Teams are listed in alphabetical order.
To read more about the likely draft plans of the teams with the first four selections — Detroit, St. Louis, Kansas City and Seattle — check out our new print edition (cover date: Jan. 18, 2009), available at newsstands and bookstores or online at PFWstore.com.
Arizona Cardinals
LB — Another playmaking linebacker off the edge who can rush the passer would come in handy. Travis LaBoy had trouble staying healthy all season, and Bertrand Berry, Chike Okeafor and Clark Haggans are all over the age of 30. If free agent Karlos Dansby signs elsewhere, an inside ’backer to replace him would become a top priority.
Cardinals ILB Karlos Dansby
RB — Ken Whisenhunt would love a starting-caliber every-down back with consistent playmaking ability who could add more balance to the offense. Edgerrin James isn’t expected back, and although he showed a nose for the goal line, Tim Hightower appears better-suited to be a short-yardage specialist.
CB — After allowing an NFL-high 36 TD passes, the Cardinals could use another quality cornerback to pair with ascending 2008 first-rounder Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie. Starting LCB Rod Hood was picked on often down the stretch.
Atlanta Falcons
SS — The Falcons are expected to replace veteran Lawyer Milloy, who will be an unrestricted free agent this winter. Milloy was a liability in pass coverage and Atlanta will look to get younger, faster at the position.
DT — GM Thomas Dimitroff will be shopping for a bulky nose tackle to plug into the D-line to help Atlanta improve its mediocre run defense.
DE — DLE Jamaal Anderson hasn’t gotten the job done as a pass rusher. The Falcons need to find a more capable complement for DRE John Abraham.
Baltimore Ravens
ILB — Starting ILBs Ray Lewis and Bart Scott are unrestricted free agents at season’s end, and it’s unlikely both will be back with the club.
CB — Cornerback also looms as a potentially big need. Chris McAlister will be coming off a knee injury and could be cut, and Samari Rolle is near the end of his career.
OLB — It would not be a surprise if the Ravens looked to bolster their OLB ranks, especially if Terrell Suggs departs in free agency.
Buffalo Bills
OLB — With free agent Angelo Crowell coming off knee surgery and no certainty to be retained, adding size and athleticism to the defensive second level is critical for a club that reluctantly started undersized Keith Ellison in 2008.
DE — Chris Kelsay and Aaron Schobel need help in the positional rotation to maximize their effectiveness. The Bills have had trouble pressuring the quarterback the past two seasons.
TE — A multi-dimensional seam stretcher would give Turk Schonert’s offense more viability in the vertical passing game and deflect coverage away from Lee Evans. Robert Royal’s not the answer.
Carolina Panthers
DT — Carolina needs to add depth on the D-line’s interior. The Panthers’ run defense collapsed when DT Maake Kemoeatu missed time with an ankle injury late in the season.
DE — The Panthers could use a pass-rushing end to pair with Julius Peppers, assuming Peppers, who will be a free agent this offseason, is re-signed or franchised.
WR — Carolina should be in the market for a No. 2 or No. 3 wide receiver to play behind Pro Bowler Steve Smith. Muhsin Muhammad will turn 36 years old in May, Dwayne Jarrett hasn’t proven he’s a reliable pro pass catcher and D.J. Hackett can’t seem to stay healthy.
Chicago Bears
WR — While Devin Hester made steady progress, he is still far from being a legitimate No. 1 wideout. The rest of the Bears’ WR corps is mediocre at best.
DE — The Bears ranked a lowly 29th last season in QB sack percentage and are in dire need of another consistent pass rusher off the edge who can be groomed by new D-line coach Rod Marinelli.
OL — A tackle in the first three rounds who can be groomed to replace aging ORT John Tait would be a sound move. Starting C Olin Kruetz also is starting to show his age, and versatile John St. Clair is an unrestricted free agent who might get some interest from other teams after the decent job he did at left tackle in ’08.
Cincinnati Bengals
OT — ORT Stacy Andrews had regressed even before he suffered a knee injury in December. Also, OLT Levi Jones has begun to break down after years of injuries.
C — Eric Ghiaciuc is likely best as a backup, not a starter. Good center play is very important in the AFC North, which boasts some of the best nose tackles in the game.
DE — The Bengals have not found a winning combination at this position. More is expected from Robert Geathers and Antwan Odom in ’09.
Cleveland Browns
OLB — The Browns notched only 17 sacks last season. A pass rusher who can complement Kamerion Wimbley is desperately needed.
S — Free-agent SS Sean Jones could draw plenty of interest from teams looking for more of a cover man at the position. FS Brodney Pool has played unevenly at times in his career.
RB — Jamal Lewis had only three runs of 20 yards more last season, and he will be 30 years of age in August. Drafting a runner to push Lewis and his backups could be in the cards.
Dallas Cowboys
DL — Tank Johnson won’t be re-signed, DE Chris Canty is a free agent and Marcus Spears is heading into the final year of his deal.
LB — Zach Thomas might not return, and although Kevin Burnett is a good special-teamer, he hasn’t been durable. And who knows if Bobby Carpenter can be a starter?
SS — Roy Williams probably is gone, and FS Ken Hamlin’s play dropped off. The Cowboys could move Anthony Henry to safety, but they need a big-hitting playmaker there.
Denver Broncos
DE — Just six teams had fewer sacks than Denver last season and the team’s secondary was shredded as quarterbacks sat back with plenty of time in the pocket.
DT — The Broncos’ run defense has been woeful the past two seasons, ranking 30th in 2007 and 27th in ’08 and the interior D-line has been a main culprit in its demise.
S — Denver had only six interceptions last season, which was the second-fewest in the league. The team needs a ballhawk or two in the safety corps.
Detroit Lions
QB — Veterans Daunte Culpepper and Jon Kitna might be washed up. Dan Orlovsky is a free agent. Drew Stanton has hardly played in two years. Drew Henson is a reclamation project.
LB — The Lions badly need size and speed — guys who can make plays and make an impact. Lions linebackers combined for only one interception and four sacks. Jordon Dizon, a second-round pick in ’08, could be a bust.
CB — If the Lions decline their $8.6 million option on Leigh Bodden at the beginning of March, they’re really thin, even though Bodden was a disappointment in his first year with the team.
Green Bay Packers
DL — The Packers desperately need to find more pass rushers up front both outside and inside. DE Michael Montgomery and reserve DT Colin Cole are free agents, and starting DRT Johnny Jolly could be facing legal problems stemming from an arrest last July for possession of codeine.
OT — Starting OLT Chad Clifton had his share of breakdowns in 2008, and starting ORT Mark Tauscher is a free agent who is probably out of the mix after tearing an ACL in early December.
DB — Veteran starting CBs Charles Woodson and Al Harris are a year older, and Woodson possibly could move to strong safety after starting there late in the season in place of Atari Bigby, who had injury concerns all season.
Houston Texans
S — The Texans very much need a playmaking safety, whether it’s a box safety who’s a hammer vs. the run or a rangy centerfielder who is strong vs. the pass.
CB — The Texans’ best cornerback, Dunta Robinson, is a free agent. Even if Robinson returns, the Texans need to improve their options at this important position.
DT — The Texans have invested heavily at this position to no avail; don’t be surprised if they’re again searching for an answer early in the ’09 draft.
Indianapolis Colts
WR — This is assuming Marvin Harrison isn’t retained. Providing Peyton Manning with receiving weapons is always agenda No. 1, and without Harrison they’re in need of a third wideout to ensure the viability of the three-WR spreads.
DT — The Tampa-2 defense is predicated upon getting a strong pass rush from the defensive tackles, and the Colts don’t have the DT personnel to do that. They also need help for the run defense.
OT — After drafting three interior offensive linemen in 2008, the Colts now should concentrate on the outside, where there’s no legitimate depth.
Jacksonville Jaguars
OLT — The Jags passed on the position in the 2008 draft, and they can’t afford to ignore it again. Khalif Barnes isn’t the player they need to protect David Garrard from the AFC South’s tremendous pass rushers.
WR — Reggie Williams and Matt Jones haven’t panned out as first-round picks and Jerry Porter flopped as a free-agent find. They need a speed option to stretch the field.
RB — Even if Fred Taylor returns, he’s nearing the end of his career. The Jags are in need of a power complement to the explosive Maurice Jones-Drew.
Kansas City Chiefs
DE — After losing Jared Allen and his 151⁄2 sacks from 2007, the Chiefs set an NFL record for futility with only 10 sacks as a team in ’08. The previous NFL low was 11 sacks by the Baltimore Colts in the strike-shortened, nine-game 1982 season.
QB — Although Tyler Thigpen showed signs of moving the offense, especially after the “Pistol’’ spread offense was installed to utilize his scrambling abilities and comfort in the shotgun, he didn’t show the consistency in 11 starts needed to win over a new GM.
LB — Kansas City needs two, maybe three if a new GM decides 2005 top pick Derrick Johnson isn’t a keeper.
Miami Dolphins
ORT — The Dolphins are unlikely to retain free-agent ORT Vernon Carey, and providing Chad Pennington and future starter Chad Henne with a stout bookend to 2008 No. 1 pick Jake Long would go a long in ensuring offensive potency for years to come.
ILB — With Channing Crowder likely gone via free agency, a rugged presence at inside linebacker would help fill the void in their 3-4 defense that they lost when Zach Thomas was released.
FS — Miami gave a number of players the opportunity to man the safety spot next to SS Yeremiah Bell in ’08, and none of them panned out.
Minnesota Vikings
QB — Tarvaris Jackson’s struggles at the beginning and end of the season suggest the Vikings need alternative plans here in case he never develops into anything more. Gus Frerotte was OK at times, but he turns 38 in July and has a short shelf life.
ORT — Ryan Cook never panned out here and he could be moved to center if Matt Birk is not brought back. Artis Hicks is a possibility to take over at right tackle, but he might be best in a utility role.
CB — More depth is needed. Cedric Griffin is inconsistent, but he improved. Antoine Winfield is a terrific player but is entering his 11th pro season. Marcus McCauley has been a bust. Charles Gordon is coming off a serious midseason ankle injury.
New England Patriots
OLB — Mike Vrabel and Adalius Thomas are both on the wrong side of age 30, and both struggled in 2008 to provide the type of pass rush the Patriots need from their outside linebackers in their 3-4 scheme.
OT — Because protecting their quarterback is of paramount importance, an upgrade of the Pats’ OL bookends would be welcomed. ORT Nick Kaczur has been particularly inconsistent.
CB — The Pats learned the hard way in 2008 how important Asante Samuel, who left for the big bucks in Philadelphia last offseason, was to their defense.
New Orleans Saints
S — The Saints’ defensive personnel has been particularly suspect at the two safety spots. New Orleans is notorious for giving up big plays and upgrades at safety are in order.
CB — New Orleans gave up 53 pass plays of 20 yards or more last season, which was the third-most in the league. Much of the blame goes to an ineffective group of corners.
OLB — OLBs Scott Fujita and Scott Shanle have done a decent job, but neither has made many big plays. The Saints need to get more athletic at outside ’backer.
New York Giants
WR — Plaxico Burress probably won’t be back, and Amani Toomer is set to hit free agency. There is depth and promise with Domenik Hixon, Steve Smith and Mario Manningham, but the team lacks a game-breaker.
OT — The Giants’ offensive line has been a rock the past two seasons, but ORT Kareem McKenzie is slowing down and OLT David Diehl might be better at another position in a year or two. The Giants would love to groom a young tackle.
DT — There are three good tackles in Fred Robbins, Barry Cofield and Jay Alford, but more depth is needed. Robbins was outstanding in 2008, but he turns 32 in March and is entering his 10th season.
New York Jets
CB — The Jets employed a CB-by-committee approach to filling the spot opposite young star Darrelle Revis in 2008. It didn’t work.
DE — Defensive end is the one front-seven position the Jets haven’t appropriately addressed in their transition from the 4-3 to the 3-4. Shaun Ellis enjoyed a rebound season in 2008, but Kenyon Coleman doesn’t offer much.
QB — With Brett Favre unlikely to return, Kellen Clemens assumes starting honors. They obviously aren’t sold on him considering their acquisition of Favre in the first place.
Oakland Raiders
OT — QB JaMarcus Russell’s development would be aided by making upgrades at both tackle positions, but particularly on the right side.
WR — In order to establish a better balance on offense, the Raiders must address their need at receiver. The team has been too reliant on its ground game in recent years.
DT — Oakland is likely to make some changes to its interior D-line after finishing the season ranked 31st vs. the run. The DT tandem of Tommy Kelly and Gerard Warren did not deliver.
Philadelphia Eagles
OL — With Jon Runyan and Tra Thomas set to hit free agency and ORG Shawn Andrews coming off a serious back procedure, the line needs reinforcements.
RB — There Eagles weren’t close to the same when Brian Westbrook was injured and they struggled in key short-yardage situations — even with Westbrook — for most of the season. They could use a bigger back to add to the mix.
TE — L.J. Smith was franchised last year, but he almost certainly won’t be back, except at perhaps a bargain type of deal. Brent Celek is an emerging pass receiver, but the team needs another option here — preferably one who can block, too.
Pittsburgh Steelers
OT — OLT Marvel Smith missed most of this season with a back injury and has finished the last two campaigns on injured reserve. Also, ORT Willie Colon has struggled in pass protection in his two seasons as a starter.
OG — Neither OLG Chris Kemoeatu nor ORGs Darnell Stapleton and Kendall Simmons played exceptionally well this season.
NT — The Steelers don’t have any pressing concerns about the play of NTs Casey Hampton and Chris Hoke, but finding a young run stuffer to groom behind the veterans might be on their offseason to-do list.
St. Louis Rams
OT — OLT Orlando Pace isn’t getting any younger and has been plagued by injuries in recent years. It looks like the team has exhausted its patience with underachieving ORT Alex Barron, who might not be back in ’09.
MLB — Undersized Will Witherspoon will be switched back to his natural position on the weak side. A big, nasty run stuffer in the middle is a must, and if he’s also good enough to play in coverage, that’s a big bonus.
RB — As good as Steven Jackson is, he has missed all or parts of 10 games the past two seasons due to injuries. The drop-off with Jackson out of the lineup has been dramatic. A big back who can also catch passes would be ideal.
San Diego Chargers
OL — The right side of the O-line — Mike Goff and Jeromey Clary — was basically a sieve last season and desperately needs to be shored up.
SS — Clinton Hart struggled in ’08 and was mainly responsible for tight ends torching the Bolts in ’08. They could use a younger, faster alternative here.
ILB — Stephen Cooper is solid, but he needs help inside in the 3-4 defense. A sure tackler who can stuff the run would be ideal.
San Francisco 49ers
OT — The Niners surrendered a league-high 55 sacks in 2008 and had particular problems at right tackle, where Adam Snyder, Barry Sims and injury-prone Jonas Jennings all had their share of problems.
QB — Even though Shaun Hill did a stellar job in replacing the struggling J.T. O’Sullivan under center, head coach Mike Singletary quickly announced once the season ended that quarterback was one of the team’s top needs. O’Sullivan and former first-round pick Alex Smith are long shots to be in the mix in ’09.
S — Starting FS Mark Roman hasn’t intercepted a pass or forced a fumble since 2006 and will be turning 32 at the end of March. Staring SS Michael Lewis is a much better run defender than he is a pass defender.
Seattle Seahawks
DT — The Seahawks are wasting Lofa Tatupu’s talents because they do not have a tackle big enough — or good enough — to keep blockers off their middle linebacker.
WR — It’s hard to watch Michael Crabtree without fantasizing about what he could do to help the Seahawks as the No. 4 overall pick. But selecting WRs that high has been a high-risk adventure in the past.
OT — When you have a chance to acquire a franchise-caliber left tackle, you don’t hesitate. The time is now because of the quality of this year’s OT class and the fact Walter Jones will be 35 and coming off microfracture surgery.
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
DLE — The Buccaneers need more of a pass rush from the left side for the Tampa-2 to be an effective defensive scheme. Twenty-nine sacks (ranking 20th in the league) did not get it done last season.
QB — Jeff Garcia will be a free agent and it’s not yet clear whether he’ll be back with the team. Head coach Jon Gruden needs to figure out who will lead his offense.
DT — Tampa’s run defense was gashed, allowing 175 or more rushing yards in three of its last four games. The Bucs must improve the interior of their D-line to stuff the run.
Tennessee Titans
WR — The Titans were widely expected to take a wide receiver at the top of the ’08 draft, but they took RB Chris Johnson instead. It’s hard to argue with that pick. However, it would be no surprise if this were the year the Titans looked hard at drafting a wideout in Round One.
DT — If Albert Haynesworth is re-signed, this is no longer a pressing need, considering the way rookie Jason Jones emerged at the end of the season.
QB — Whether the Titans add a passer probably comes down to whether they can re-sign Kerry Collins. If he departs, the Titans have to think about who will back up Vince Young.
Washington Redskins
DL — This team needs a major infusion of talent here, likely with multiple bodies. The Redskins haven’t drafted a defensive lineman higher than the fifth round since 1997. DEs Jason Taylor and Phillip Daniels and DT Cornelius Griffin are on the back ends of their careers and possible salary-cap casualties.
OLB — All three LB spots could use some help, but there’s more of a priority outside. Marcus Washington is hurt too often and might not be brought back; Rocky McIntosh has worn down and hasn’t made a lot of plays.
OL — Stephon Heyer might never turn into a quality starter, and Chad Rinehart probably projects to left guard, so the focus could be at tackle. Aging OTs Chris Samuels and Jon Jansen need to be replaced at some point, and so do OGs Randy Thomas and Pete Kendall.
This is a good breakdown, but the OLB position is a distant third to the two lines. They can sign a vet and get decent production for a year to two at SLB and be OK, but there's no way that they can take that approach any more with their lines, particularly the DL.Pretty good article from Pro Football Weekly. What say you homers? Agree or disagree?
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Washington Redskins
DL — This team needs a major infusion of talent here, likely with multiple bodies. The Redskins haven’t drafted a defensive lineman higher than the fifth round since 1997. DEs Jason Taylor and Phillip Daniels and DT Cornelius Griffin are on the back ends of their careers and possible salary-cap casualties.
OLB — All three LB spots could use some help, but there’s more of a priority outside. Marcus Washington is hurt too often and might not be brought back; Rocky McIntosh has worn down and hasn’t made a lot of plays.
OL — Stephon Heyer might never turn into a quality starter, and Chad Rinehart probably projects to left guard, so the focus could be at tackle. Aging OTs Chris Samuels and Jon Jansen need to be replaced at some point, and so do OGs Randy Thomas and Pete Kendall.
In agreement here. I wouldn't be surprised to see both their first round picks spent on OL. Eagles usually dont spend on skill positions in the first so I'd expect to see TE in 2nd and a RB in a later round.Philadelphia EaglesOL — With Jon Runyan and Tra Thomas set to hit free agency and ORG Shawn Andrews coming off a serious back procedure, the line needs reinforcements.RB — There Eagles weren’t close to the same when Brian Westbrook was injured and they struggled in key short-yardage situations — even with Westbrook — for most of the season. They could use a bigger back to add to the mix.TE — L.J. Smith was franchised last year, but he almost certainly won’t be back, except at perhaps a bargain type of deal. Brent Celek is an emerging pass receiver, but the team needs another option here — preferably one who can block, too.