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Anonymous Outing KKK Members (1 Viewer)

A side note on Anonymous: these guys are a bunch of tools that so far have produced very little compared to the boasting of many of its members. A couple of months ago they were going to uncover a bunch of pedos (Operation Deatheaters) and I actually got excited to see who they would uncover because there is really nothing worse than a child molester. Anyways, long story short, I could not find that they outed even a single person!!! What a joke. This looks like more of the same from this group of toolios.
Oh contraire, my westboro baptist frère.


It's easy to think of the hacking group Anonymous as a group of punk troublemakers, raising hell online.

Some have even debated whether their extra-legal protests should be labeled terrorist acts.

But that would overlook some of the genuinely good deeds the group — whose members identify themselves with the Vendetta mask — has done.
Whether it's retaliating against kiddie porn sites, helping to identify Chinese military cyber-attacks, or targeting the digital properties of various hate groups, Anonymous can sometimes be a force for good.
8. In December 2006, Anonymous took down the website of white supremacist radio show host Hal Turner. The attack ended up with Turner paying some very expensive bandwidth bills and dropping a lawsuit a year later.

7. Beginning in January 2008, Anonymous kicked off "Project Chanology," its attack on the Church of Scientology, a cult-like religion which allegedly imprisons its dissident members. They launched denial of service attacks against the organization's websites, gamed the link-sharing site Digg to more prominently display anti-Scientology pages, and even physically protested — showing up in person — many church events.

6. Anonymous released user information from a major hacking forum in February 2011, and security firm Mandiant was able to use this data to link the Chinese military to cyber-attacks against the U.S. this year.

5. The Westboro Baptist Church is notoriously hateful and intolerant. Anonymous successfully took down the Westboro Baptist Church's website in February 2011 in protest.

4. Operation DarkNet was the group's campaign against child pornography in October 2011. Because pornographers were incredibly effective at using technology to hide themselves, Anonymous used technology to put them out of business.

3. On August 13, 2012, tensions were rising in Uganda as the country's laws were increasingly intolerant on LGBT issues. Anonymous defaced two Ugandan government sites in protest.

2. The Steubenville rape case — in which images of the high school victim were disseminated in social media — obviously got a lot of attention earlier this year. Anonymous released incriminating video, tweets, and emails belonging to accused players on the school's football team.

1. Just this month, Anonymous began "Operation Free Korea." It's the group's effort to get "controversial leader Kim Jong-un to resign," "install free democracy," "abandon nuclear ambition," and grant "uncensored internet access" to its citizens. On April 3, Anonymous released all 15,000 usernames and passwords for the government's web services and threatened to wipe its data.
So let me get this straight....it is a good thing to take down the websites that espouse viewpoints that go against your own? What does that even accomplish?

I will say that their highest impact hit was the Steubenville thing, but lets face it, that is small potatoes....it had the same level of impact as the 'bacon jalepeno mac and cheese' guy.

Everything else on that list is a bunch of B.S. Oh no!!! They took down somebody's website for a couple days!!!!! They are gonna shut down North Korea!!!!

Also, look at the timeframe. All of those 'accomplishments' from 2008 - 2015!!! Pathetic.

I will be impressed when they really out people who are actually doing horrible things, not just talking about them. I can certainly agree that Westboro Baptists are among the worst of the worst, but lets be real...shutting down their website for a couple days is really doing nothing. If they were real rebels or 'hackers', they would find out where some of the members lived and then would hire hit squads to do bodily harm or worse. Better yet, since the members of Anon are so dangerous and edgy, they should skip hiring the hit squad and just do the visits themselves. Once the Baptists realize they are on a hitlist for their deplorable actions, many would quit or go into hiding. That is some change that I feel we all can get behind, simply because it is actual change!

What these guys are doing right now falls somewhere in between auto fellatio and circle jerking with pets.
Meatwad gonna Meatwad.

#1fanofwestborobaptistchurch

 
tommyGunZ said:
Interesting how upset several posters are that some KKK members are being outed.
Several? I think it really is just Meatwad. Others might be voicing concern over the veracity of the unhooding, in that it might be wrongly identifying KKK members. But tomorrow should be interesting. :popcorn:

 
tommyGunZ said:
Interesting how upset several posters are that some KKK members are being outed.
Several? I think it really is just Meatwad. Others might be voicing concern over the veracity of the unhooding, in that it might be wrongly identifying KKK members. But tomorrow should be interesting. :popcorn:
Yup- who the hell cares if an actual KKK member is outed? But it dang well would suck to be outed as a member of the KKK when you are not. That wrong info gets out and it sticks- pretty much doesn't matter how much it is debunked.

 
There is one thing I agree with meatwad on in this thread. Although not sure this was really his or her argument.

I don't think driving hate speech underground is good. I want it out in the light so we know what they are up to. I don't want to shut down sites that profess views I disagree with. I want to make them irrelevant by educating people away from them. And I want them where I can keep an eye on them.

 
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There is one thing I agree with meatwad on in this thread. Although not sure this was really his or her argument.

I don't think driving hate speech underground is good. I want it out in the light so we know what they are up to. I don't want to shut down sites that profess views I disagree with. I want to make them irrelevant by educating people away from them. And I want them where I can keep an eye on them.
Yup. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer...

 
There is one thing I agree with meatwad on in this thread. Although not sure this was really his or her argument.

I don't think driving hate speech underground is good. I want it out in the light so we know what they are up to. I don't want to shut down sites that profess views I disagree with. I want to make them irrelevant by educating people away from them. And I want them where I can keep an eye on them.
Two issues:

1. Ability to recruit people to a violent cause, or at least one that states violent aims

2. At what point does free speech that is violent in its aims become intimidation and harassment of those to whom speech is directed (race-neutral here)

 
There is one thing I agree with meatwad on in this thread. Although not sure this was really his or her argument.

I don't think driving hate speech underground is good. I want it out in the light so we know what they are up to. I don't want to shut down sites that profess views I disagree with. I want to make them irrelevant by educating people away from them. And I want them where I can keep an eye on them.
Two issues:1. Ability to recruit people to a violent cause, or at least one that states violent aims

2. At what point does free speech that is violent in its aims become intimidation and harassment of those to whom speech is directed (race-neutral here)
1 They can recruit underground.

2 Yea some of their stuff is vile but it wouldn't be any less so in the shadows we just won't know they are saying it.

Look in this country people have the right to be hate mongering #######s. We are best served when they do it where everyone can see it.

 
Right, and harassment laws still apply regardless of message. I have seen several street preachers that could easily be sued for harassment.

 
Right, and harassment laws still apply regardless of message. I have seen several street preachers that could easily be sued for harassment.
Harrasment has to happen one on one to be illegal and even then it depends. Political speech is not generally harrasment, even when a hate group is spouting it.

 
You are either for free speech or against. If you want to curtail speech well I can't get on that train. Even when it is some doosh I would prefer to punch in his/her speech hole. We must allow ourselves to be challenged by speech we disagree with and fight it with our own speech. That is the way a truly free society works. Otherwise it's the KKK today and someone you don't hate tomorrow.

 
I don't see how outing them takes away their right or ability to keep on hating.
It doesn't, but it puts some pressure on them to exist in their environment in this day and age.

Even in the far corners of America, in what you would consider the most accepting populations, there are people who despise this kind of mindset. If these people get 10 dirty looks and three ####ty comments, it's worth it.

 
You are either for free speech or against. If you want to curtail speech well I can't get on that train. Even when it is some doosh I would prefer to punch in his/her speech hole. We must allow ourselves to be challenged by speech we disagree with and fight it with our own speech. That is the way a truly free society works. Otherwise it's the KKK today and someone you don't hate tomorrow.
Why mask your free speech? Freedom shouldn't require a hood.

 
The KKK made life uncomfortable for a century plus for many Americans, through intimidation and bullying and fear. I'm more than fine seeing them squirm for a change.

 
You are either for free speech or against. If you want to curtail speech well I can't get on that train. Even when it is some doosh I would prefer to punch in his/her speech hole. We must allow ourselves to be challenged by speech we disagree with and fight it with our own speech. That is the way a truly free society works. Otherwise it's the KKK today and someone you don't hate tomorrow.
So you are against libel and slander laws?

 
You are either for free speech or against. If you want to curtail speech well I can't get on that train. Even when it is some doosh I would prefer to punch in his/her speech hole. We must allow ourselves to be challenged by speech we disagree with and fight it with our own speech. That is the way a truly free society works. Otherwise it's the KKK today and someone you don't hate tomorrow.
Why mask your free speech? Freedom shouldn't require a hood.
It shouldn't require a Guy Fawkes mask, either, but sometimes it does.

Anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority. . . . It thus exemplifies the purpose behind the Bill of Rights and of the First Amendment in particular: to protect unpopular individuals from retaliation . . . at the hand of an intolerant society.
McIntyre v. Ohio Elections Commission, 514 U.S. 334 (1995).
 
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tommyGunZ said:
Interesting how upset several posters are that some KKK members are being outed.
Several? I think it really is just Meatwad. Others might be voicing concern over the veracity of the unhooding, in that it might be wrongly identifying KKK members. But tomorrow should be interesting. :popcorn:
There's also some serious concern about the act of doxing in general, and loss of the right of anonymous free speech in this country. Which is extremely problematic.

 
You are either for free speech or against. If you want to curtail speech well I can't get on that train. Even when it is some doosh I would prefer to punch in his/her speech hole. We must allow ourselves to be challenged by speech we disagree with and fight it with our own speech. That is the way a truly free society works. Otherwise it's the KKK today and someone you don't hate tomorrow.
So you are against libel and slander laws?
free speech <> being able to say whatever you want with no consequences

 
I think it's great to unmask hateful people like this, but I don't really trust internet vigilantes to get it right. Too easy to smear someone's reputation with little to no actual proof.

 
msommer said:
NCCommish said:
You are either for free speech or against. If you want to curtail speech well I can't get on that train. Even when it is some doosh I would prefer to punch in his/her speech hole. We must allow ourselves to be challenged by speech we disagree with and fight it with our own speech. That is the way a truly free society works. Otherwise it's the KKK today and someone you don't hate tomorrow.
So you are against libel and slander laws?
I didn't say consequences free. Obviously there are times when what you say can get you in legal trouble and those cases are pretty well defined. But when we start down the path of banning speech we disagree with we are headed for trouble. So no you can't slander or libel.

 
Henry Ford said:
Interesting how upset several posters are that some KKK members are being outed.
Several? I think it really is just Meatwad. Others might be voicing concern over the veracity of the unhooding, in that it might be wrongly identifying KKK members. But tomorrow should be interesting. :popcorn:
There's also some serious concern about the act of doxing in general, and loss of the right of anonymous free speech in this country. Which is extremely problematic.
Yep

 
Henry Ford said:
Interesting how upset several posters are that some KKK members are being outed.
Several? I think it really is just Meatwad. Others might be voicing concern over the veracity of the unhooding, in that it might be wrongly identifying KKK members. But tomorrow should be interesting. :popcorn:
There's also some serious concern about the act of doxing in general, and loss of the right of anonymous free speech in this country. Which is extremely problematic.
Sure. But this seems like a funny place to draw your line in the sand.

 
Henry Ford said:
Interesting how upset several posters are that some KKK members are being outed.
Several? I think it really is just Meatwad. Others might be voicing concern over the veracity of the unhooding, in that it might be wrongly identifying KKK members. But tomorrow should be interesting. :popcorn:
There's also some serious concern about the act of doxing in general, and loss of the right of anonymous free speech in this country. Which is extremely problematic.
Sure. But this seems like a funny place to draw your line in the sand.
This has the very real possibility of destroying lives. We have seen things like this go sideways and it wasn't pretty. Do we really need to see suicides like we have in the Ashley Madison debacle? I don't support the KKK of course. But doxing carries very real consequences for those exposed guilty or not.
 
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Henry Ford said:
Interesting how upset several posters are that some KKK members are being outed.
Several? I think it really is just Meatwad. Others might be voicing concern over the veracity of the unhooding, in that it might be wrongly identifying KKK members. But tomorrow should be interesting. :popcorn:
There's also some serious concern about the act of doxing in general, and loss of the right of anonymous free speech in this country. Which is extremely problematic.
Sure. But this seems like a funny place to draw your line in the sand.
I didn't draw my line at this case, but it falls firmly within my line.

 
Henry Ford said:
Interesting how upset several posters are that some KKK members are being outed.
Several? I think it really is just Meatwad. Others might be voicing concern over the veracity of the unhooding, in that it might be wrongly identifying KKK members. But tomorrow should be interesting. :popcorn:
There's also some serious concern about the act of doxing in general, and loss of the right of anonymous free speech in this country. Which is extremely problematic.
Sure. But this seems like a funny place to draw your line in the sand.
This has the very real possibility of destroying lives. We have seen things like this go sideways and it wasn't pretty. Do we really need to see suicides like we have in the Ashley Madison debacle? I don't support the KKK of course. But doxing carries very real consequences for those exposed guilty or not.
What about the lives destroyed by the KKK? Seems off to place more value on protecting their well being than the innocent individuals they have/are terrorizing.
 
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If Anonymous wants to take on this task, they better damn well get their facts straight. And I hope the rest of us hold them accountable for any sloppy and inaccurate reporting. I don't think I'm ready to vest them with the kind of power to destroy innocent lives and then just say "oops."

But if they have the clear and unmistakable goods on a KKK clown, then go for it with my blessings. Just exercise reasonable, heck, maybe even above reasonable, caution when you do stuff like this.

 
Henry Ford said:
Interesting how upset several posters are that some KKK members are being outed.
Several? I think it really is just Meatwad. Others might be voicing concern over the veracity of the unhooding, in that it might be wrongly identifying KKK members. But tomorrow should be interesting. :popcorn:
There's also some serious concern about the act of doxing in general, and loss of the right of anonymous free speech in this country. Which is extremely problematic.
Sure. But this seems like a funny place to draw your line in the sand.
This has the very real possibility of destroying lives. We have seen things like this go sideways and it wasn't pretty. Do we really need to see suicides like we have in the Ashley Madison debacle? I don't support the KKK of course. But doxing carries very real consequences for those exposed guilty or not.
What about the lives destroyed by the KKK? Seems off to place more value on protecting their well being than the innocent individuals they have/are terrorizing.
My concern is the very real possibility of destroying innocent individuals. Why is that an acceptable risk to you? Small price to pay so you can get your internet outrage on I guess.

 
If Anonymous wants to take on this task, they better damn well get their facts straight. And I hope the rest of us hold them accountable for any sloppy and inaccurate reporting. I don't think I'm ready to vest them with the kind of power to destroy innocent lives and then just say "oops."

But if they have the clear and unmistakable goods on a KKK clown, then go for it with my blessings. Just exercise reasonable, heck, maybe even above reasonable, caution when you do stuff like this.
I think they should spend more time on Fappening type stuff and less on social justice things.

 
Henry Ford said:
Interesting how upset several posters are that some KKK members are being outed.
Several? I think it really is just Meatwad. Others might be voicing concern over the veracity of the unhooding, in that it might be wrongly identifying KKK members. But tomorrow should be interesting. :popcorn:
There's also some serious concern about the act of doxing in general, and loss of the right of anonymous free speech in this country. Which is extremely problematic.
Sure. But this seems like a funny place to draw your line in the sand.
This has the very real possibility of destroying lives. We have seen things like this go sideways and it wasn't pretty. Do we really need to see suicides like we have in the Ashley Madison debacle? I don't support the KKK of course. But doxing carries very real consequences for those exposed guilty or not.
What about the lives destroyed by the KKK? Seems off to place more value on protecting their well being than the innocent individuals they have/are terrorizing.
My concern is the very real possibility of destroying innocent individuals. Why is that an acceptable risk to you? Small price to pay so you can get your internet outrage on I guess.
Very surprised to see you chalking up the outing of KKK members as a case of getting "internet outrage" on. Have no idea why you'd want to minimize this, especially if some of these folks are in positions of power and influence.
 
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Henry Ford said:
Interesting how upset several posters are that some KKK members are being outed.
Several? I think it really is just Meatwad. Others might be voicing concern over the veracity of the unhooding, in that it might be wrongly identifying KKK members. But tomorrow should be interesting. :popcorn:
There's also some serious concern about the act of doxing in general, and loss of the right of anonymous free speech in this country. Which is extremely problematic.
Sure. But this seems like a funny place to draw your line in the sand.
This has the very real possibility of destroying lives. We have seen things like this go sideways and it wasn't pretty. Do we really need to see suicides like we have in the Ashley Madison debacle? I don't support the KKK of course. But doxing carries very real consequences for those exposed guilty or not.
What about the lives destroyed by the KKK? Seems off to place more value on protecting their well being than the innocent individuals they have/are terrorizing.
Seems odd that Anonymous isn't providing this information to the feds with a list of crimes committed by the people in question, rather than publishing a list.

Man, if my boss is on there I'm going to have a tough work day.

 
Good god TGunz :lol:

His concern isn't about the KKK members...it's about the innocent people. You have to work hard to be this obtuse....real hard.

 
Henry Ford said:
Interesting how upset several posters are that some KKK members are being outed.
Several? I think it really is just Meatwad. Others might be voicing concern over the veracity of the unhooding, in that it might be wrongly identifying KKK members. But tomorrow should be interesting. :popcorn:
There's also some serious concern about the act of doxing in general, and loss of the right of anonymous free speech in this country. Which is extremely problematic.
Sure. But this seems like a funny place to draw your line in the sand.
This has the very real possibility of destroying lives. We have seen things like this go sideways and it wasn't pretty. Do we really need to see suicides like we have in the Ashley Madison debacle? I don't support the KKK of course. But doxing carries very real consequences for those exposed guilty or not.
What about the lives destroyed by the KKK? Seems off to place more value on protecting their well being than the innocent individuals they have/are terrorizing.
Seems odd that Anonymous isn't providing this information to the feds with a list of crimes committed by the people in question, rather than publishing a list.

Man, if my boss is on there I'm going to have a tough work day.
This was my thought as well, initially. Then I wondered if they might have already done this and the gov't (in interest to protect their own) just sat on it :oldunsure:

 
Henry Ford said:
Interesting how upset several posters are that some KKK members are being outed.
Several? I think it really is just Meatwad. Others might be voicing concern over the veracity of the unhooding, in that it might be wrongly identifying KKK members. But tomorrow should be interesting. :popcorn:
There's also some serious concern about the act of doxing in general, and loss of the right of anonymous free speech in this country. Which is extremely problematic.
Sure. But this seems like a funny place to draw your line in the sand.
This has the very real possibility of destroying lives. We have seen things like this go sideways and it wasn't pretty. Do we really need to see suicides like we have in the Ashley Madison debacle? I don't support the KKK of course. But doxing carries very real consequences for those exposed guilty or not.
What about the lives destroyed by the KKK? Seems off to place more value on protecting their well being than the innocent individuals they have/are terrorizing.
My concern is the very real possibility of destroying innocent individuals. Why is that an acceptable risk to you? Small price to pay so you can get your internet outrage on I guess.
Very surprised to see you chalking up the outing of KKK members as a case of getting "internet outrage" on. Have no idea why you'd want to minimize this, especially if some of these folks are in positions of power and influence.
Because people in power are already out there if this matters so much to you. Chris Kobach seems to be the defacto leader of a white power group for example. I don't see anyone doing #### about it. Been reported in several outlets. Has he been asked to resign? No. Has he been taken to task at all? No. Because the people who support him are cool with it. I don't think anybody will be surprised by any politicians name that comes out and I don't think it will really cost them. Because their supporters already kind of know. There is a reason politicians use dog whistles. I do think Joe Blow will have a cost because he's a nobody. And if he is innocent that cost is even higher.

 
Henry Ford said:
Interesting how upset several posters are that some KKK members are being outed.
Several? I think it really is just Meatwad. Others might be voicing concern over the veracity of the unhooding, in that it might be wrongly identifying KKK members. But tomorrow should be interesting. :popcorn:
There's also some serious concern about the act of doxing in general, and loss of the right of anonymous free speech in this country. Which is extremely problematic.
Sure. But this seems like a funny place to draw your line in the sand.
This has the very real possibility of destroying lives. We have seen things like this go sideways and it wasn't pretty. Do we really need to see suicides like we have in the Ashley Madison debacle? I don't support the KKK of course. But doxing carries very real consequences for those exposed guilty or not.
What about the lives destroyed by the KKK? Seems off to place more value on protecting their well being than the innocent individuals they have/are terrorizing.
Seems odd that Anonymous isn't providing this information to the feds with a list of crimes committed by the people in question, rather than publishing a list.

Man, if my boss is on there I'm going to have a tough work day.
This was my thought as well, initially. Then I wondered if they might have already done this and the gov't (in interest to protect their own) just sat on it :oldunsure:
If that happened, you'd figure that they would just go public.

 
Henry Ford said:
Interesting how upset several posters are that some KKK members are being outed.
Several? I think it really is just Meatwad. Others might be voicing concern over the veracity of the unhooding, in that it might be wrongly identifying KKK members. But tomorrow should be interesting. :popcorn:
There's also some serious concern about the act of doxing in general, and loss of the right of anonymous free speech in this country. Which is extremely problematic.
Sure. But this seems like a funny place to draw your line in the sand.
This has the very real possibility of destroying lives. We have seen things like this go sideways and it wasn't pretty. Do we really need to see suicides like we have in the Ashley Madison debacle? I don't support the KKK of course. But doxing carries very real consequences for those exposed guilty or not.
What about the lives destroyed by the KKK? Seems off to place more value on protecting their well being than the innocent individuals they have/are terrorizing.
Seems odd that Anonymous isn't providing this information to the feds with a list of crimes committed by the people in question, rather than publishing a list.

Man, if my boss is on there I'm going to have a tough work day.
This was my thought as well, initially. Then I wondered if they might have already done this and the gov't (in interest to protect their own) just sat on it :oldunsure:
You thought your boss might be, too? Small world.
 
Henry Ford said:
Interesting how upset several posters are that some KKK members are being outed.
Several? I think it really is just Meatwad. Others might be voicing concern over the veracity of the unhooding, in that it might be wrongly identifying KKK members. But tomorrow should be interesting. :popcorn:
There's also some serious concern about the act of doxing in general, and loss of the right of anonymous free speech in this country. Which is extremely problematic.
Sure. But this seems like a funny place to draw your line in the sand.
This has the very real possibility of destroying lives. We have seen things like this go sideways and it wasn't pretty. Do we really need to see suicides like we have in the Ashley Madison debacle? I don't support the KKK of course. But doxing carries very real consequences for those exposed guilty or not.
What about the lives destroyed by the KKK? Seems off to place more value on protecting their well being than the innocent individuals they have/are terrorizing.
Seems odd that Anonymous isn't providing this information to the feds with a list of crimes committed by the people in question, rather than publishing a list.

Man, if my boss is on there I'm going to have a tough work day.
This was my thought as well, initially. Then I wondered if they might have already done this and the gov't (in interest to protect their own) just sat on it :oldunsure:
You thought your boss might be, too? Small world.
:hifive:

 
Good god TGunz :lol:

His concern isn't about the KKK members...it's about the innocent people. You have to work hard to be this obtuse....real hard.
Pretty sure we learned in the Obamacare thread that tGunZ doesn't care when regular people get hurt, as long as he gets what he wants.
 
Good god TGunz :lol:

His concern isn't about the KKK members...it's about the innocent people. You have to work hard to be this obtuse....real hard.
I'm well aware that NCC isn't concerned for KKK members; just as I'm not unconcerned with the falsely accused.

Our disagreement here is on the totality of the event; i.e. is it worth it to out 1000 klansmen if a handful of innocent folks are wrongly labeled? It's an interesting question. I don't think it reaches the level of Blackstone, but apparently others disagree.

 
Good god TGunz :lol:

His concern isn't about the KKK members...it's about the innocent people. You have to work hard to be this obtuse....real hard.
Pretty sure we learned in the Obamacare thread that tGunZ doesn't care when regular people get hurt, as long as he gets what he wants.
The fact that you think the overall net result of the ACA is "regular people getting hurt" speaks volumes about not only how slanted your worldview is, but how biased the news sources are that you follow.

 

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