Another PacMan strip club shooting (1 Viewer)

[Padraig]

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/13519179/detail.html

Troubled NFL star Adam "Pacman" Jones may be involved in a shooting early Monday at a DeKalb County strip club, WSB-TV reported.

Dekalb police said two groups of men got into an argument around 2:30 a.m. at Club Blaze, a Moreland Avenue strip club, WSB said.

AP

Adam 'Pacman' Jones

Three men say they left the club in an SUV and were approached by Jones and his entourage in another SUV. When Jones' vehicle pulled alongside the other vehicle near I-285, someone opened fire.

No one was hit by bullets, but one person was scratched by flying plastic, WSB reported.

Investigators want to question Jones, a College Park native, about the incident. No charges have been filed.

Edit for new link. AJC link didnt work.

Last week, Jones, a star defensive back with the Tennessee Titans, accepted a one-year suspension from the NFL after a meeting with NFL commissioner Roger Goodell.

"I understand my responsibilities to my teammates, the Titans and my fans and I am committed to turning my life around and being a positive member of the NFL," Jones said in a statement at the time.

Jones was suspended after 10 encounters with police and five arrests since he was drafted in 2005.

Still pending is a case in Las Vegas involving a fight and shooting at a strip club during the NBA All-Star weekend that left one person paralyzed.

 

[lions327]

Assuming this story is true...if he is in a night club at 230am after everything that has happened...he will never get it.

 

[PsychoMan]

wow

 

[Pittsburgh United]

Unbelievable if true.

Link is broken, btw.

 

[Padraig]

Unbelievable if true.Link is broken, btw.

Just fixed it. Linked to other source.Thanks.

 

[Afro Samurai]

Good God is this guy stupid.

They should ban him for life, just on principle for being such a waste.

 

[BigTex]

No one is this damn stupid!

 

[GroveDiesel]

Assuming this story is true...if he is in a night club at 230am after everything that has happened...he will never get it.

IMO, that's big even if he wasn't involved in any shooting. Like Chris Henry, he's now in a dangerous situation where people can start making things up about him and take advantage of him. If he puts himself in bad situations again and again, he doesn't deserve to play in the NFL.

 

[BigTex]

Assuming this story is true...if he is in a night club at 230am after everything that has happened...he will never get it.

IMO, that's big even if he wasn't involved in any shooting. Like Chris Henry, he's now in a dangerous situation where people can start making things up about him and take advantage of him. If he puts himself in bad situations again and again, he doesn't deserve to play in the NFL.

Did Chris Henry and Pacman go to West Virgina and were there at the same time? Memory is foggy at this moment.

 

[coolnerd]

Assuming this story is true...if he is in a night club at 230am after everything that has happened...he will never get it.

IMO, that's big even if he wasn't involved in any shooting. Like Chris Henry, he's now in a dangerous situation where people can start making things up about him and take advantage of him. If he puts himself in bad situations again and again, he doesn't deserve to play in the NFL.

Did Chris Henry and Pacman go to West Virgina and were there at the same time? Memory is foggy at this moment.

Yes, they were, but the story as I understand it was that they did not have much to do with each other that did not involve football.

 

[pizzatyme]

Let's hope for his sake, that this isn't true. Don't rush to judgement.

 

[redman]

As with the latest Chris Henry incident, I'm wondering whether these guys have made themselves so notorious that they're attracting false allegations now. I note that in neither of these cases is there apparently anything other than eyewitness testimony.

That said, if Jones was anywhere near a strip club with his entourage at 3 a.m. he's a complete and total moron.

 

[msommer]

Let's hope for his sake, that this isn't true. Don't rush to judgement.

If it is true then Pacman should take the wunderlic again - whatever he scored the first time is obviously too high

 

[BigTex]

As with the latest Chris Henry incident, I'm wondering whether these guys have made themselves so notorious that they're attracting false allegations now. I note that in neither of these cases is there apparently anything other than eyewitness testimony. That said, if Jones was anywhere near a strip club with his entourage at 3 a.m. he's a complete and total moron.

Agreed, yet considering his situation, he shouldn't be anywhere after 12:00a.m. (nothing good/positive happens after midnight) and he should have ditched his "entourage" a long time ago.

 

[Big Score]

If the dude is going to insist on hanging out at titty bars, considering the he's got, he could at least go to some decent ones like Tattletales or the Cheetah where the girls are goodlooking.

But no, he's got to go slumming at Club Blaze on Moreland Ave. I mean the chicks there are skanky Lot Lizards.

 

[fatness]

Nashville City Paper

According to DeKalb County public information officer Ariel Toledo, Jones is not currently believed to be involved in the shooting, but is someone police want to talk to for information about it. No charges have been filed against anyone in the alleged matter.

“At this time, we don’t believe Pacman Jones was involved in the shooting, but we are looking for him to talk to him about it,” Toledo said.

 

[Yenrub]

Doesn’t this guy have enough money to have a contractor build a stripper pole in his house and have the “talent” come and do private shows?

 

[doughboydeluxe]

Doesn’t this guy have enough money to have a contractor build a stripper pole in his house and have the “talent” come and do private shows?

With Pacman, I don't think it's just about seeing naked women. It's about the scene. If it was about naked women, as noted earlier in this thread he would be frequenting nicer establishments and getting in the VIP room and minding his own business. With Pacman it seems to be about being a big shot and creating a scene, not just checking out the "talent."

 

[JaxBill]

Nashville City Paper

According to DeKalb County public information officer Ariel Toledo, Jones is not currently believed to be involved in the shooting, but is someone police want to talk to for information about it. No charges have been filed against anyone in the alleged matter.

“At this time, we don’t believe Pacman Jones was involved in the shooting, but we are looking for him to talk to him about it,” Toledo said.

From that link:-

Monday’s alleged incident would mark the 11th time Jones has been a person of interest in a police inquiry since being drafted.

 

[FTRWRTR]

Assuming this story is true...if he is in a night club at 230am after everything that has happened...he will never get it.

IMO, that's big even if he wasn't involved in any shooting.

If pacman keeps this up goodell's gonna get rid of him just for being so stupid. Also if you keep playing with fire you're eventually gonna get burned.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Pretty soon his agent's just going to put him in the Hannibal Lecter restraints any time he leaves his house.

 

[Two Deep]

Doesn’t this guy have enough money to have a contractor build a stripper pole in his house and have the “talent” come and do private shows?

With Pacman, I don't think it's just about seeing naked women. It's about the scene. If it was about naked women, as noted earlier in this thread he would be frequenting nicer establishments and getting in the VIP room and minding his own business. With Pacman it seems to be about being a big shot and creating a scene, not just checking out the "talent."

"She tryna get in my pockets, homie and I ain't gonna let herBe easy, stop tha bull ####, you get your whole crew wetWe in tha club doin' the same ol' two stepGorilla unit cuz they say we bugged outCuz we don't go nowhere without toast we thugged out"I don't know what all that means but I'm sure thats what he is thinking.

 

[Slinger]

Let's hope for his sake, that this isn't true. Don't rush to judgement.

Uh, no. He's guilty. Adam Jones will never play another down for the Titans or any other NFL team.

 

[Slingblade]

Let's hope for his sake, that this isn't true. Don't rush to judgement.

Uh, no. He's guilty. Adam Jones will never play another down for the Titans or any other NFL team.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

If there is already allegations happening this quickly after what has happened to Jones can you imagine what is going to take place this up coming year without him playing football!

The guy won't be playing football this year and will have plenty of free time to get in trouble and have future allegations coming his way. He has nothing to look forward to for a full year (pro athletes are competitive and want to play, this is going to be a depressing year for Jones), and with his money and his nose for finding trouble this could be a devistating year for Jones.

What a waste of space he is turning out to be. I have very little respect for people of his magnitude.

 

[Phurfur]

Let's hope for his sake, that this isn't true. Don't rush to judgement.

WHY?????? Let's hope for everyone else's sake that this is true and they get him off the streets before someone gets killed. This is no longer a matter of him being a member of the NFL, it is a matter of him being allowed to be a member of society.

 

[faulkfan]

Toledo said Jones was not present when the shots were fired.

“We believe he knows some of his entourage who were involved in the shooting,” Toledo said. “On himself, we do not have any charges on him. He wasn’t there when the shooting occurred.”

This is from MSNBC's article. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19289335/

This sounds much less serious than what has been implied thusfar.

 

[Sleeper 43]

He wasn’t there when the shooting occurred.

Presumptive title as well.

I have friends who make the occasional bad decision, god forbid someone hold me liable for their actions.

 

[Kleck.]

Wrong place, wrong time... Pacman sure has some bad luck. Poor Guy. The damn "man" keeps bringin' him down.

edit for before anyone take me serious.

 

[Slinger]

Let's hope for his sake, that this isn't true. Don't rush to judgement.

Uh, no. He's guilty. Adam Jones will never play another down for the Titans or any other NFL team.

From: TNO RLY?

As easy as it's to say that the sky is blue and the grass is green, Adam Jones will never play in the NFL again.

 

[johnnycakes]

I love how they say they don't suspect him in the shooting, but just want to question him. Like, every time there's a shooting somewhere in the USA, the cops decide they better see what Pacman knows about it.

 

[FTRWRTR]

I have friends who make the occasional bad decision, god forbid someone hold me liable for their actions.

No but If those friends continuously get into trouble with the law you should be held accountable for your bad judgement. The main problem goodell has is with players casting a bad light onto the league and that's going to happen if a player breaks the law himself and that's going happen if one of his boy's starts shooting. Because it's gonna be the player's name in the headline not his friend's. Another thing that hurts pacman is he promised goodell that he would stop going to strip clubs and be home by midnight. If goodell can't believe pacman about those things why should he believe pacman will ever change and be allowed to play in the NFL?

 

[Phurfur]

He wasn’t there when the shooting occurred.Presumptive title as well. I have friends who make the occasional bad decision, god forbid someone hold me liable for their actions.

I have never know anyone who shot a gun at another Human Being. If I did I would never associate with them again, even if they were family. So knock it off, we all know right from wrong and make our own choices. I find it amazing that you would try to defend an idiot like Pac Man. People are going to die around him sooner or later.

 

[mbuehner]

I've got to think Goddell straight up told him he better not get caught within 100 feet of a strip club over the next year- and certaily the Titans had to tell him that. Ban the loser for life- couple of years he'll be mopping floors at the clubs.

 

[pizzatyme]

Let's hope for his sake, that this isn't true. Don't rush to judgement.

WHY?????? Let's hope for everyone else's sake that this is true and they get him off the streets before someone gets killed. This is no longer a matter of him being a member of the NFL, it is a matter of him being allowed to be a member of society.

YES, and they also should have castrated the Duke Lacrosse players for what they "did"!I'm just saying...

 

[Penguin]

It's a shame, most people don't realize what a fantasy stud this guy was last year. In Zealots he was the #2 DB, less than 3 points behind #1. He'll probably never play again, what a waste of talent

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Crossroads. he can stand with his posse, keep mum when he talks to the cops thereby keeping it real and maintaining his street cred, or he can do the responsible thing, fully cooperate with the authorities and maybe give up his criminal buddy thereby conforming to society's needs. I'm certain he will make the right choice. :(

 

[Phurfur]

It's a shame, most people don't realize what a fantasy stud this guy was last year. In Zealots he was the #2 DB, less than 3 points behind #1. He'll probably never play again, what a waste of talent

what a waste of a Human Being!

 

[Christo]

It's a shame, most people don't realize what a fantasy stud this guy was last year. In Zealots he was the #2 DB, less than 3 points behind #1. He'll probably never play again, what a waste of talent

what a waste of a Human Being!

There are a lot worse human beings. But few of them have his talent.

 

[redman]

It's a shame, most people don't realize what a fantasy stud this guy was last year. In Zealots he was the #2 DB, less than 3 points behind #1. He'll probably never play again, what a waste of talent

what a waste of a Human Being!

There are a lot worse human beings. But few of them have his talent.

There are even a greater number of better human beings, and few have his money, resources or opportunities.

 

[fatness]

Nashville City Paper

More information, much of it conflicting.

Jones’ attorney Manny Arora said he has spoken to the DeKalb County investigators on Jones’ behalf and that the cornerback is not a suspect in the matter and was not present during the time the shots were fired. He also questioned their suggestion that members of Jones’ “entourage” were involved.

“The police have cleared him of everything. He was there with a couple of friends that he has known from his youth, and he left well before anything happened,” Arora said. “There was no entourage. It’s getting to the point where anybody who says hi to him somewhere is now regarded as a member of his entourage.

“The shooting occurred somewhere near the freeway, and Adam was long gone by that point. Apparently both groups of people were shooting at each other, and the one group called the police first. So I don’t know who really started what. It’s another incident where people mention Adam’s name as being involved and suddenly their word is the treated as the Gospel.”

Haygood, according to the incident report, said he told Andrews that he did not feel safe to leave the club, but did so after the group Jones was with departed.

Andrews also stated that he heard Jones say as he was leaving, “[Expletive] this. I’m going to the car to get my gun,” according to the police report. That was when, according to Andrews’ statement, he ordered Jones and his group to leave.

The report states that Haygood returned to the club shortly thereafter after 8-10 shots were fired at his vehicle while at a red light near the interstate on-ramp. Before he returned, Haygood said he retaliated with 4-5 shots from his own gun.

 

[burd]

so who still thinks he's serious about making changes in his life?

if he really cared about his football career, he would have realized that he needed to make changes after the third or fourth incident, not the tenth. He may say he's going to make changes, but here's a guy who doesn't give a $#!^

 

[CravenM]

On sports talk radio yesterday, DeAgelo Hall said he talked to Pacman and he said it was his brother who did it. Said he couldn't believe he just opened up the window and fired a few shots. Couldn't believe it happened.

Call me naive but I believe him - wrong place at the wrong time.

 

[JimboJim]

:beginrant:

It's obvious that as far as an NFL career comes, Jones has two choices; either clean up his act, ditch his posse and play ball, or continue to live the lifestyle he is currently living and almost certainely be out of football permanently.

It's also fairly obvious that Jones seems to be choosing option B, living a lifestyle associating with criminals and allowing himself to continously get into situations that lead to trouble and public embarassment.

Even if he has nothing to do with this event, other than being at the club that night and possibly associating with those involved in the shooting, it's just a matter of time before this kinda stuff piles up to the point that he's banned from the NFL for life.

It may be pathetic that he'd rather be a gansta than a multi-millionaire professional athelete, but that's his choice and other than being a fan of the Titans, I could really care less what he does.

The real losers in this situation are the Titans (to a degree) who could have taken another player with the pick they used on him and the fans, who are seeing the talent pool in the NFL lessened, even if only by one.

Anyone who feels sorry for the guy or would blame his problems on his upbringing... needs to wake up. Unlike the junkie on the street or a lot of other folks with personal problems, Pac-Man has more than enough resources to get help and make the changes he needs to. On top of that, he's also had more than enough opportunities. I'd wonder how many times I could be a person of interest in criminal casses before I got canned from my job.

:endrant:

 

[JimboJim]

Let's hope for his sake, that this isn't true. Don't rush to judgement.

WHY?????? Let's hope for everyone else's sake that this is true and they get him off the streets before someone gets killed. This is no longer a matter of him being a member of the NFL, it is a matter of him being allowed to be a member of society.

YES, and they also should have castrated the Duke Lacrosse players for what they "did"!I'm just saying...

Tought comparison there.If you inserted the name Greg Ellis, or Jamaal Brown... or about 99% of other NFL players into this story for Pac-Man, I'd agree with you.Pac-Man has way too long of a rap sheet not to be anything but cynical whenever another one of these stories come out.

 

[roadkill1292]

:beginabbreviatedauxiliaryrant:

The NFL needs to butt out and let the civil authorities and the individual teams handle these matters.

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[CravenM]

:beginabbreviatedauxiliaryrant:The NFL needs to butt out and let the civil authorities and the individual teams handle these matters. :endabbreviatedauxiliaryrant:

 

[msommer]

He wasn’t there when the shooting occurred.Presumptive title as well. I have friends who make the occasional bad decision, god forbid someone hold me liable for their actions.

I have never know anyone who shot a gun at another Human Being. If I did I would never associate with them again, even if they were family. So knock it off, we all know right from wrong and make our own choices. I find it amazing that you would try to defend an idiot like Pac Man. People are going to die around him sooner or later.

I know a guy who shot a burglar in the leg when the guy was breaking into my buddy's home. The burglar was armed. He then sent his Rottweiler after the other burglar who dropped his gun while fleeing.I suppose I should just cut him off, the inhuman wretch of a man...

 

[JimboJim]

:beginabbreviatedauxiliaryrant:The NFL needs to butt out and let the civil authorities and the individual teams handle these matters. :endabbreviatedauxiliaryrant:

So are you saying that you think the only times a player should ever be reprimended are when they are unable to play because they are in jail... or based upon the discretion on each of the 32 teams individually?Handling it as a league is the right way to go. The NFLPA would have a field day, and rightly so, if each team had the ability to implement their own, unique policies in reagrds to player conduct.

 

[roadkill1292]

:beginabbreviatedauxiliaryrant:The NFL needs to butt out and let the civil authorities and the individual teams handle these matters. :endabbreviatedauxiliaryrant:

So are you saying that you think the only times a player should ever be reprimended are when they are unable to play because they are in jail... or based upon the discretion on each of the 32 teams individually?Handling it as a league is the right way to go. The NFLPA would have a field day, and rightly so, if each team had the ability to implement their own, unique policies in reagrds to player conduct.

The team, as employer, should determine if a player's off-field conduct warrants disciplinary action. If he's in jail, then he's not preparing for this week's game properly. Or maybe he becomes a PR catastrophe that is causing a slump in ticket sales. If the NFL can build the parameters into its agreement with the NFLPA, then that same language can be used to limit what an individual team can do as well. And right now, there aren't many limits. With the league office stepping in, however, a team's right to make the decision is abrogated. In some cases, a team may decide to keep the player on the field. And I'm very cool with that. I may boo him, but I still want to watch him play. He's not piloting a commercial aircraft, or operating heavy equipment, or caring for children; he's a gladiator in an arena. If his crimes are so heinous as to warrant action by the civil authorities, then he won't be able to play and his team should have the contractual right to suspend him and I'm cool with that as well.If the Pacman is guilty of crimes in Vegas, he should pay the appropriate penalty -- as decided by the proper authorities. If they've decided that he's free to go, then let's get him into uniform. Like we're gonna protest and not watch?