Another school shooting (2 Viewers)

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

Many times after tragedies, the victim and their family try to make sure their death is not in vain by way of making sure it never happens again. But right after 9/11, the talk was why did this happen and what can we do about it? We got into a war and airline protocol was completely changed.

I'm not sure how this statement was meant.

I think if you cut out the word "but" it's consistent. I'm going with "we're discussing it immediately to start moving in a direction where real change comes from this incident, just like after 9/11."

Yeah, but we did a lot of dumb and counterproductive stuff in response to 9/11. I don't want us to do dumb and counterproductive stuff in response to this.

 

[Slapdash]

Seriously, LHucks. Stop. Close your browser and come back tomorrow never.

 

[Henry Ford]

Time for idiot Americans to work the obvious problem this country has.Pull your heads out people.

Do us all a favor and spare us, at least for today, your "I have utter contempt for the American public" shtick. Nobody wants to hear your #### right now.

this is exactly when you need to hear itYou support violent video games.You support "gun rights"You support "violence in the media"And pretend to be shocked when this happens in our country.Shame on Americans.

I really wish you'd stop this sort of thing. It's not doing anything you want it to, unless your goal is to be completely dismissed and shove people who were on the fence onto the other side of the debate.

 

[ffldrew]

Why even have the press conference - a complete waste of time

 

[pantherclub]

Countdown to the media blaming the Tea Party & NRA... 3... 2... 1...

On a related note, you don't need a gun to hurt someone.

Dude really?Just stop

 

[Spanky267]

Why don't we wait for things to settle an hour or so before reporting how many dead/injured?

Why don't we wait for things to settle down a bit before you political circus animals start in on your usual BS?

In fairness, there is nothing any of us can currently do to change the number of people that are dead.I can see how if someone is convinced that guns are the problem, an event like this would completely infuriate them.

I personally don't own a gun and never will. I also have no idea why any human would want to own an assault weapon, that is specifically designed to fire rounds fast and to KILL PEOPLE.

I also am disgusted that a person thinks that their life is so bad that its acceptable to go shoot up a freaking elementary school. What an awful human.

Finally, you have to admit that video games MIGHT be causing a problem here. We have people that play video games where they can walk around a city and mow people down with machine guns. They play on huge TV's and it almost seems life-like. It's not hard to imagine a person mentally snapping and acting out things they've been doing in video games, in real life.

Guns, people in general, video games...they are all part of the problem. It's hard to see how anyone could argue otherwise.

There are guns, people and video games in almost every country.

CoD, Battlefield, Halo, etc. sell the vast majority of their games in America.These games barely make a dent in Japan (and Xbox 360s aren't even sold there as there wasn't a market for them).

Not agreeing with the thought that video games are part of the problem necessarily, just saying that the kind of violent, gun video games that would be what he is referencing are pretty much only in America at high levels.

While the sales are abysmal the PS3 is sold there and very popular. Every major shooting game, except Halo, is available on that unit.

but the shootings games aren't. PS3 is a Japanese company and still has quirky Japanese games and RPGs (Square) that sell like crazy in Japan. CoD doesn't sell in Japan.

CoD sells very well in Japan actually. The last three games have topped the sales charts in Japan their first week in release.

 

[Genedoc]

Seriously, LHucks. Stop. Close your browser and come back tomorrow.

New here? Lhucks could actually be involved in the shooting, and he'd still be allowed to troll here from prison.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Time for idiot Americans to work the obvious problem this country has.Pull your heads out people.

Do us all a favor and spare us, at least for today, your "I have utter contempt for the American public" shtick. Nobody wants to hear your #### right now.

this is exactly when you need to hear itYou support violent video games.You support "gun rights"You support "violence in the media"And pretend to be shocked when this happens in our country.Shame on Americans.

And for some reason Joe supports the right for you to still post here.Shame on Joe.

 

[Apple Jack]

So, this 2nd guy could have been a moron in the woods that walked out in cammo pants and screamed, "I didn't do it!"? WTF.

Is this in response to my comment? Can't find anything else it might be in reference to. So if it's mine, I was thinking something more along the lines of a father having just dropped his kid off or a even a passerby. But I said I'm probably wrong, it's just so inconceivable that not one, but two, adults decided to kill a bunch of kindergarteners. And I'm not watching the news sites because I find the coverage to be pretty much snuff tv. I'll wait for the official word from law enforcement.

 

[kface]

Countdown to the media blaming the Tea Party & NRA... 3... 2... 1...

On a related note, you don't need a gun to hurt someone.

Dude really?Just stop

Seriously and the funny part is it doesn't even make his point. The key in that story is that the children were wounded...not dead. that's the difference between a knife attack and an attack with a gun.

 

[Steve Tasker]

####ed up, man. ####ed up.

:(

 

[Henry Ford]

Many times after tragedies, the victim and their family try to make sure their death is not in vain by way of making sure it never happens again. But right after 9/11, the talk was why did this happen and what can we do about it? We got into a war and airline protocol was completely changed.

I'm not sure how this statement was meant.

I think if you cut out the word "but" it's consistent. I'm going with "we're discussing it immediately to start moving in a direction where real change comes from this incident, just like after 9/11."

I don't think our reaction to 9/11 should be a guide for anything good.

Not as a whole, certainly.

Many times after tragedies, the victim and their family try to make sure their death is not in vain by way of making sure it never happens again. But right after 9/11, the talk was why did this happen and what can we do about it? We got into a war and airline protocol was completely changed.

I'm not sure how this statement was meant.

I think if you cut out the word "but" it's consistent. I'm going with "we're discussing it immediately to start moving in a direction where real change comes from this incident, just like after 9/11."

Yeah, but we did a lot of dumb and counterproductive stuff in response to 9/11. I don't want us to do dumb and counterproductive stuff in response to this.

I don't, either. Maybe that's what the poster meant - we need to talk about this stuff instead of just hopping into action blindly. The "but" makes more sense then.

 

[sporthenry]

Many times after tragedies, the victim and their family try to make sure their death is not in vain by way of making sure it never happens again. But right after 9/11, the talk was why did this happen and what can we do about it? We got into a war and airline protocol was completely changed.

I'm not sure how this statement was meant.

Yeah, I guess my thoughts are all over the place but my one point was that as a country, we usually respond (and sometimes overreact) to tragedies but I'd much prefer an overreaction than to just let these things continue. My first comment was meant that you see these terrible incidences and the response is to make legislation such as Megan's Law in an attempt to ensure this doesn't happen again. I was originally going to say this helps families make sure the death wasn't in vain but I'm not sure that is even possible so I refrained from saying that.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

ban guns. like, 100 years ago.

 

[LHUCKS]

Finally, you have to admit that video games MIGHT be causing a problem here. We have people that play video games where they can walk around a city and mow people down with machine guns. They play on huge TV's and it almost seems life-like. It's not hard to imagine a person mentally snapping and acting out things they've been doing in video games, in real life.

Guns, people in general, video games...they are all part of the problem. It's hard to see how anyone could argue otherwise.

Yes it is, isn't it.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Seriously, LHucks. Stop. Close your browser and come back tomorrow.

New here? Lhucks could actually be involved in the shooting, and he'd still be allowed to troll here from prison.

People responding to Lhucks just feeds him more and more though. They are just as guilty as the stuff they accuse Lhucks of doing.

 

[CrossEyed]

Time for idiot Americans to work the obvious problem this country has.Pull your heads out people.

Do us all a favor and spare us, at least for today, your "I have utter contempt for the American public" shtick. Nobody wants to hear your #### right now.

this is exactly when you need to hear itYou support violent video games.You support "gun rights"You support "violence in the media"And pretend to be shocked when this happens in our country.Shame on Americans.

Evil exists everywhere, it's not an American phenomenon.

 

[sho nuff]

Finally, you have to admit that video games MIGHT be causing a problem here. We have people that play video games where they can walk around a city and mow people down with machine guns. They play on huge TV's and it almost seems life-like. It's not hard to imagine a person mentally snapping and acting out things they've been doing in video games, in real life.

Guns, people in general, video games...they are all part of the problem. It's hard to see how anyone could argue otherwise.

Yes it is, isn't it.

Please name me a video game that shows its ok to walk into a freaking elementary school and shoot up 5 year old kids?Also...please show me where this guy has a history of playing violent video games and that is why he did it?

Take your BS elsewhere...please.

 

[SacramentoBob]

I've played a lot of GTA and not once have I pulled someone out of their car, beat them up and stolen their car. I must not be playing enough.

 

[Slapdash]

I've played a lot of GTA and not once have I pulled someone out of their car, beat them up and stolen their car. I must not be playing enough.

How else do you get them out of their cars so you can have a new ride?

 

[Genedoc]

Seriously, LHucks. Stop. Close your browser and come back tomorrow.

New here? Lhucks could actually be involved in the shooting, and he'd still be allowed to troll here from prison.

People responding to Lhucks just feeds him more and more though. They are just as guilty as the stuff they accuse Lhucks of doing.

Agreed, but even the ignore function is largely useless when people quote the trolling.

 

[General Tso]

My ex wife just picked up my son at school a couple towns over. Doesn't appear to be terrorism, but still very early. No need to take a chance until we know more. Even some of the local news anchors mentioned they were picking up their children from school.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

I've played a lot of GTA and not once have I pulled someone out of their car, beat them up and stolen their car. I must not be playing enough.

I wish I had your control.Not a day goes by that I don't throw a red or green turtle shell or a banana at a fellow commuter.

 

[parasaurolophus]

This shooting will likely change a great many things. It is the most horrific story I can remember. A little overreaction can be a good thing, but too much and this turns into an even greater tragedy. I don't really care much if this leads to tougher gun control laws. What I don't want is this situation to become an active thought in our kids day to day lives.

 

[Genedoc]

I've played a lot of GTA and not once have I pulled someone out of their car, beat them up and stolen their car. I must not be playing enough.

How else do you get them out of their cars so you can have a new ride?

You're going to get ripped for being flip at a time like this, but I laughed. Not much else to do, really. The laughter keeps the anger at bay.

 

[LHUCKS]

Time for idiot Americans to work the obvious problem this country has.Pull your heads out people.

Do us all a favor and spare us, at least for today, your "I have utter contempt for the American public" shtick. Nobody wants to hear your #### right now.

this is exactly when you need to hear itYou support violent video games.You support "gun rights"You support "violence in the media"And pretend to be shocked when this happens in our country.Shame on Americans.

Evil exists everywhere, it's not an American phenomenon.

see my thread, we are easily the most violent country in our "country demographic." Bottomfeeder posted a good link.I thought it was obvious.

 

[larry_boy_44]

Why don't we wait for things to settle an hour or so before reporting how many dead/injured?

Why don't we wait for things to settle down a bit before you political circus animals start in on your usual BS?

In fairness, there is nothing any of us can currently do to change the number of people that are dead.I can see how if someone is convinced that guns are the problem, an event like this would completely infuriate them.

I personally don't own a gun and never will. I also have no idea why any human would want to own an assault weapon, that is specifically designed to fire rounds fast and to KILL PEOPLE.

I also am disgusted that a person thinks that their life is so bad that its acceptable to go shoot up a freaking elementary school. What an awful human.

Finally, you have to admit that video games MIGHT be causing a problem here. We have people that play video games where they can walk around a city and mow people down with machine guns. They play on huge TV's and it almost seems life-like. It's not hard to imagine a person mentally snapping and acting out things they've been doing in video games, in real life.

Guns, people in general, video games...they are all part of the problem. It's hard to see how anyone could argue otherwise.

There are guns, people and video games in almost every country.

CoD, Battlefield, Halo, etc. sell the vast majority of their games in America.These games barely make a dent in Japan (and Xbox 360s aren't even sold there as there wasn't a market for them).

Not agreeing with the thought that video games are part of the problem necessarily, just saying that the kind of violent, gun video games that would be what he is referencing are pretty much only in America at high levels.

While the sales are abysmal the PS3 is sold there and very popular. Every major shooting game, except Halo, is available on that unit.

but the shootings games aren't. PS3 is a Japanese company and still has quirky Japanese games and RPGs (Square) that sell like crazy in Japan. CoD doesn't sell in Japan.

Why make stuff up? My link My link

I wasn't making stuff up. In fact, if you don't believe that I wasn't making stuff up you should read the first article you linked since the entire article is about how surprising it is that Black Ops 2 is doing well in Japan because usually games like that don't sell well there at all.your article to "refute" me:

Being entirely honest with everyone, I need to say that I liked Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 way more than I thought I would. The multiplayer is some of the most fun I’ve had playing a game online. In the background of the multiplayer menus, a map of earth rotates, populated with orange dots indicating where people are playing the game. America, of course, is lit up from end to end. Weird, random, spots can be seen in India, Africa, and Russia as well. What really surprised me, though, was how well-lit Japan was.

Media Create’s Japanese game sales numbers for this week came out, and it’s clear why that map is so well lit, just looking at the numbers.

[3DS] Animal Crossing: New Leaf (Nintendo, 11/08/12) – 213,414 (1,106,758)

[PS3] Call of Duty: Black Ops II (Square Enix, 11/22/12) – 197,350 (New)

[3DS] Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Magna Gate and the Infinity Labyrinth(Pokemon, 11/22/12) – 121,480 (New)

[PS3] Hot Shots Golf: World Invitational (SCEJ, 11/22/12) – 100,862 (New)

[3DS] New Super Mario Bros. 2 (Nintendo, 07/28/12) – 34,971 (1,420,184)

[360] Call of Duty: Black Ops II (Square Enix, 11/22/12) – 22,177 (New)

While Animal Crossing: New Leaf sold the most on a single platform, Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 holds two of the top ten spots this week, and between the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 platforms, has sold over 219,000 copies. For comparison, Assassin’s Creed 3 has managed to sell 89,000 copies total since it’s release two weeks ago.

American games typically don’t do very well in Japan. While Black Ops 2 won’t ever stack up to the biggest Japanese releases, clearly there are some gun otaku having a blast with this, and it’ll be fun to see how long it stays on the Japanese charts.

 

[SacramentoBob]

I've played a lot of GTA and not once have I pulled someone out of their car, beat them up and stolen their car. I must not be playing enough.

How else do you get them out of their cars so you can have a new ride?

You're going to get ripped for being flip at a time like this, but I laughed. Not much else to do, really. The laughter keeps the anger at bay.

I think the bigger problem is Super Mario Brothers. It encourages drug use.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

This shooting will likely change a great many things.

Doubtful.

 

[Mr.Pack]

####ed up, man. ####ed up. :(

/discussion

 

[Sweet Feet]

MSNBC....

 

[Yenrub]

I wish that the killer didn’t die so that Ving Rhames and the bros could go medieval on him

 

[PatsFanCT]

I never get into gun control debates, because outside of banning guns altogether, no possible gun control idea will get this stuff to stop happening. But I don't understand all the disdain people have when someone brings up gun control in a thread about a mass shooting. If you don't want to read it, just scroll past it.

 

[GroveDiesel]

If a certain poster doesn't get permabanned for this garbage it's absolute proof that he's an alias of a staff member. The fact that FBGs condones this continued behavior disgusts me. If he's not gone by the end of the day, I am. I won't continue to be part of a community that professes to strive for excellence and then promotes this type of garbage by continually allowing him to post here.

 

[LHUCKS]

I've played a lot of GTA and not once have I pulled someone out of their car, beat them up and stolen their car. I must not be playing enough.

Are you 14?Are you still developing your understanding of right vs. wrong?No, okay. So basically your comment is irrelevant.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

any reports on how the dude(s) got in the school? Don't most/all schools have controlled access these days?

 

[LHUCKS]

If a certain poster doesn't get permabanned for this garbage it's absolute proof that he's an alias of a staff member. The fact that FBGs condones this continued behavior disgusts me. If he's not gone by the end of the day, I am. I won't continue to be part of a community that professes to strive for excellence and then promotes this type of garbage by continually allowing him to post here.

why is discussing the root cause of this problem "garbage." This is exactly what we should be talking about.

 

[sdp1226]

Evil exists everywhere, it's not an American phenomenon.

This is the scary truth

 

[pantherclub]

My ex wife just picked up my son at school a couple towns over. Doesn't appear to be terrorism, but still very early. No need to take a chance until we know more. Even some of the local news anchors mentioned they were picking up their children from school.

Thats a little over the top brah

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I've played a lot of GTA and not once have I pulled someone out of their car, beat them up and stolen their car. I must not be playing enough.

Are you 14. Are you still developing your understanding of right/wrong.No, okay. So basically your comment is irrelevant.

Levi> What % of 14 year olds who play violent video games commit violent acts they pick up from games?So basically your comment is irrelevant.

 

[buck naked]

Jesus.

No, it wasn't Jesus.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

I've played a lot of GTA and not once have I pulled someone out of their car, beat them up and stolen their car. I must not be playing enough.

Are you 14. Are you still developing your understanding of right/wrong.No, okay. So basically your comment is irrelevant.

Based on your behavior over the years here it is obvious that you are still developing your understanding of right/wrong.

 

[LHUCKS]

I never get into gun control debates, because outside of banning guns altogether, no possible gun control idea will get this stuff to stop happening. But I don't understand all the disdain people have when someone brings up gun control in a thread about a mass shooting. If you don't want to read it, just scroll past it.

exactlyI and others(I presume) are talking about this because we want to fix it.

 

[RCon]

MSNBC....

Why, what are they reporting?

 

[sho nuff]

No, okay. So basically your comment is irrelevant.

This has never stopped you from posting.

 

[Genedoc]

If a certain poster doesn't get permabanned for this garbage it's absolute proof that he's an alias of a staff member. The fact that FBGs condones this continued behavior disgusts me. If he's not gone by the end of the day, I am. I won't continue to be part of a community that professes to strive for excellence and then promotes this type of garbage by continually allowing him to post here.

It was apparent years ago that he's either an alias or a close personal friend/family member. No other logical explanation for the miles of rope he's given while other get a month ban for "poopy." One of the reasons I largely left for a few years.

 

[General Malaise]

Impossible to put the amount of sorrow I have over this in words.

 

[sho nuff]

If a certain poster doesn't get permabanned for this garbage it's absolute proof that he's an alias of a staff member. The fact that FBGs condones this continued behavior disgusts me. If he's not gone by the end of the day, I am. I won't continue to be part of a community that professes to strive for excellence and then promotes this type of garbage by continually allowing him to post here.

why is discussing the root cause of this problem "garbage." This is exactly what we should be talking about.

Because its your opinion of what the root cause was...and you have used this shootings as a "hey, look at me...I started a topic about violent video games and now Im going to use this shooting to try and claim I was right all along".

 

[TPW]

Countdown to the media blaming the Tea Party & NRA... 3... 2... 1...

On a related note, you don't need a gun to hurt someone.

Dude really?Just stop

Seriously and the funny part is it doesn't even make his point. The key in that story is that the children were wounded...not dead. that's the difference between a knife attack and an attack with a gun.

Obviously you didn't read the second story.Thanks for helping to reinforce my point though, namely that tragedies such as these perpetrated by and large by individuals with mental health issues are repeatedly used by low information types to push a political agenda.

 

[LHUCKS]

I've played a lot of GTA and not once have I pulled someone out of their car, beat them up and stolen their car. I must not be playing enough.

Are you 14. Are you still developing your understanding of right/wrong.No, okay. So basically your comment is irrelevant.

Levi> What % of 14 year olds who play violent video games commit violent acts they pick up from games?So basically your comment is irrelevant.

Any child pscyhologists will tell you it's a process of desensitization.DO you always oversimplify complex issues?This is a failure of our country on several levels. Apologies if there are some in this thread that don't want to hear the truth.