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Anthony Bourdain dead at 61 (1 Viewer)

And then he goes and intentionally drives off a bridge.  Seems kind of thankless.  

His shows are great, but I was always annoyed by him personally.  He thought he was too cool.  Very off-putting. 
Really? I never got that vibe. Dude was very passionate about what he did, and the people he encountered. Very giving individual from everything I've read. 
Yeah roach, I get it.  There were also times when I thought he could get a little too snarky or preachy.  But he usually was able to pull me back in - he was able to walk that fine line because I think he told the truth as he saw it (right or wrong).  

Here is a great article - that just came out today about him, written by a friend.

 
Yeah roach, I get it.  There were also times when I thought he could get a little too snarky or preachy.  But he usually was able to pull me back in - he was able to walk that fine line because I think he told the truth as he saw it (right or wrong).  

Here is a great article - that just came out today about him, written by a friend.
I think he knew that he came off snarky, even when not intended... and the same with being too cool. Seemed to be a self awareness about his even unintentional too coolness, balanced with times when he would be that way deliberately - maybe it became harder to separate the two under the increasing glare of the spotlight. And maybe he eventually lost touch with who and what he was 20 something years ago. 

 
Yeah roach, I get it.  There were also times when I thought he could get a little too snarky or preachy.  But he usually was able to pull me back in - he was able to walk that fine line because I think he told the truth as he saw it (right or wrong).  

Here is a great article - that just came out today about him, written by a friend.
Good article.  Reaffirms my opinion, but it's good to hear he was at least a genuine and considerate person, even if he thought donning shades and a leather jacket made him look bada$$ and not like a tryhard. 

His content was always fascinating and thoughtful, I give him 100% props for that.  

 
I assume he traveled a lot.  That would get lonely and tiring after a while.  Especially in your 60's.  Imagine a lot of mornings where you wake up and think what the hell am I doing here.

Like the movie Lost in Translation.

 
I wonder if being indirectly pulled into the Harvey Weinstein stuff via the fact that his girlfriend alleged that Weinstein raped her affected him.  I don’t see how it couldn’t.  She was probably reliving those demons...may have been asked to testify etc  this could not have been mentally healthy for him

here is Argento just a few weeks ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PUCE0i94Lo

This tweet form Bordain comes from a dark place https://mobile.twitter.com/Bourdain/status/999936835064393728

 
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I don't have time for these bozos that kill themselves....and apparently  they don't have time for anyone else anymore either....selfish
Statements like these are what remind me that some people really just don't have empathy. I feel it so heavily and often that I often just can't imagine where people are coming from who don't, but then I see something like this and I remember what that looks like.

“The so-called ‘psychotically depressed’ person who tries to kill herself doesn’t do so out of quote ‘hopelessness’ or any abstract conviction that life’s assets and debits do not square. And surely not because death seems suddenly appealing. The person in whom Its invisible agony reaches a certain unendurable level will kill herself the same way a trapped person will eventually jump from the window of a burning high-rise. Make no mistake about people who leap from burning windows. Their terror of falling from a great height is still just as great as it would be for you or me standing speculatively at the same window just checking out the view; i.e. the fear of falling remains a constant. The variable here is the other terror, the fire’s flames: when the flames get close enough, falling to death becomes the slightly less terrible of two terrors. It’s not desiring the fall; it’s terror of the flames. And yet nobody down on the sidewalk, looking up and yelling ‘Don’t!’ and ‘Hang on!’, can understand the jump. Not really. You’d have to have personally been trapped and felt flames to really understand a terror way beyond falling.” - David Foster Wallace

 
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Foster Wallace also tragically dead from suicide. We lost something very special -- especially authorially and creatively -- when we lost these men. 

Great piece in the New Yorker, Binky.  

RIP.  

 
mcintyre1 said:
Statements like these are what remind me that some people really just don't have empathy. I feel it so heavily and often that I often just can't imagine where people are coming from who don't, but then I see something like this and I remember what that looks like.
My guess is that the only thing he's lacking in is knowledge. Ignorance can fuel his mindset as much as a lack of empathy can

 
It's especially sad that a man whose life and work celebrated travel died alone in a hotel room. 

I can't say I've ever felt suicidal but I rarely feel more isolated in this world than when I'm sitting alone in a hotel waiting for sleep to carry me somewhere else. 

 
Feel the same way I did when Robin did it.  It makes me fear for my own sanity.   :(

 
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The word gutted has been tossed around a lot by his friends. As much as a fan can be, that is how I feel today. 

The way Bourdain could make me feel about a meal, a location and a culture will never be replaced. He was an inspiration, a storyteller and my guide to the world. 

I’ll be polishing off a nice bottle of wine tonight as I watch old episodes. RIP Tony

:cry:

 
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Daywalker said:
I assume he traveled a lot.  That would get lonely and tiring after a while.  Especially in your 60's.  Imagine a lot of mornings where you wake up and think what the hell am I doing here.

Like the movie Lost in Translation.
He was staying at the same hotel as us in Santa Fe filming an episode of his show. He showed up while we were eating, sat at the bar and had some kind if appetizer and drink. Didn't finish either and left after about 10 minutes. Saw him a couple of times around the hotel, always by himself, but he never looked too happy. Meanwhile his film crew seemed to be having a great time.

RIP. I've only seen a few episodes of his shows but he seemed like a cool dude to hang out with. My mom loved him and would be very sad about his passing.

 
FiredMartz said:
I don't have time for these bozos that kill themselves....and apparently  they don't have time for anyone else anymore either....selfish
Yet you made the time to post this. Nice work. 

 
cockroach said:
His shows are great, but I was always annoyed by him personally.  He thought he was too cool.  Very off-putting. 
Im usually guilty of jumping off a band/show etc as it gains popularity, never felt that way about Bourdain but I’ve heard people complain about him the past few years. 

 
Was never a fan of his but it’s always sad to see this happen to any good person. 

I wonder if we’ll ever fully understand the science behind depression and improve its treatment?

 
Probably easier/more beneficial to ignore the post (that might be a troll job anyway) instead of continuing to quote it?

 
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Just end the stupid banter please.  There are other threads for that.

 
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Knowing people that have committed suicide...I...just can't crap on someone that does it.  I mean, that person , with a family and/or kid is in so much pain, real or not, that it is the only escape.  

I know we, as a society, say its selfish.  But, we aren't in that persons head.  Yes, GET HELP, talk to someone if you are thinking about this.  But I find it pompous and bull#### to say someone is only thinking of themselves when this kind of thing happens. 

You aren't them.  You aren't in their head.

To add.  It is always sad and always gut wrenching and I never want it to happen...ever.  But I hate people acting superior/better/holier in these cases.

 
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Knowing people that have committed suicide...I...just can't crap on someone that does it.  I mean, that person , with a family and/or kid is in so much pain, real or not, that it is the only escape.  

I know we, as a society, say its selfish.  But, we aren't in that persons head.  Yes, GET HELP, talk to someone if you are thinking about this.  But I find it pompous and bull#### to say someone is only thinking of themselves when this kind of thing happens. 

You aren't them.  You aren't in their head.

To add.  It is always sad and always gut wrenching and I never want it to happen...ever.  But I hate people acting superior/better/holier in these cases.
This.  It's easy to say that their actions are selfish, if you think of it on a surface level.  But, the bottom line is that these people have family, kids, friends, pets, etc. that they care about very much (and vice versa).  And, yet, at the end of the day, they choose to do something that you would think somebody with "that" would never choose to do.   They have no choice.  Or, at least, they feel that they don't.  And, it's not like it's something that just pops up one day, and gets the best of them.  It's something that, in most cases, they've been fending off their entire lives.  They win, and win, and win, and win that battle.  And then, one day, it's just too much, and IT wins instead.  Unfortunately, it's not a best of seven series, when it comes to serious depression.  You win "only" 99 out of 100, and you're gone.  

Those who don't go through it don't understand it.  It's impossible.  In many ways, it's similar to the thought process of an addict.  It's easy to say "Why can't Joe stop drinking... He's got three wonderful kids and a wife who love him."  If you're truly an addict, you literally can't stop without getting help.  Sure, it's still a choice, but it's a choice you can't successfully make on your own.  Or, at least you can only do so for so long.  The same thing is true with depression.  You can choose to fight the good fight for so long.  But, sooner or later, you need to get help, or run the risk of going down a very dark path that doesn't allow U-turns.  

 
I'll just add.... Who in their right mind would do that to their kids/family?  The answer is NOBODY, because they're not in their right mind, or anywhere close to that.  Pretty hard to call someone selfish, in my opinion, when they're in that frame of mind.  There is literally no thought in the world, in that moment, that could stop them.  They've thought every thought that is out there for them to think, and the final decision is that there is no other option.  To me, that's not selfish.  It's terrifying.  

 
At his best, Bourdain's work revealed himself along with the subject he was presenting.   It'll be toughto watch or read some of his material in light of what happened.

 
FiredMartz said:
I don't have time for these bozos that kill themselves....and apparently  they don't have time for anyone else anymore either....selfish
Be respectful of those mourning. There may be a time for this type of discussion and how it affects those left behind. But it's not today. 

 
Chemical X said:
I just don't get this.  Who knows his demons or mental illness.  But man, you wait 61 years to check out via suicide?  I don't know anything about his personal life, other than his last wife ottavia was Italian and his new girlfriend was another italian, asia argento (vin diesel XXX) who seemed filthy fine.  cause of my fondness for Italy I loved his Italy episodes, but man, he was hemingway, drinking, smoking, snarky.  I won't judge, but........

It's just so selfish, the pain you inflict in others just won't heal cause there will be so many unanswered questons and so many what could I have seen or dones.
If he really did struggle a lot with depression, One might wonder how he was able to be strong enough to make it to 61.

 
If he really did struggle a lot with depression, One might wonder how he was able to be strong enough to make it to 61.
There is no logic with depression. They battle and win but things happen where the stars line up, and with some kind of trigger, that's it. If it was explainable, a cure as opposed to just treatment would be available. But you can't know the depths of despair someone may be in. Those who look suicidal never do, and those who seem to have a good life or concurred their demons from years ago have not. It's an illness that is always there that people have to tend to every day to survive. It's not garden variety depression everyone goes through, but chronic and clinical where periods of feeling good even is possible for awhile. But it's there. 

AB left a very lonely life doing what he did, which it didn't help.

 
To be clear, my point was in response to the idea of “why wait until 61 to check out?”  Depression is a mother####er and you never know how deep it can go on any given day.

 
I share many of the same sentiments expressed here.  I don't know what it is but this one hurt more than usual.   I have some great memories stopping into Les Halles on the walk home from work when I was new to the city and just finding my way.  

If you guys haven't seen his first cooking show series (early 2000s), it's definitely worth checking if you're interested in seeing a younger Bourdain before all the fortune and fame.

 
So there is this one. Maybe someone can help me place it. SE Asia. He rolls up in a long boat to a dock and like 30 long boats roll up like taco trucks. All have little grills and #### and start handing out food. 

Spends rest of time ducking in and out of some of the most beautiful places on earth. 

I'll always remember the imagery from that but can't locate it. Maybe someday ill have some experience like that and pour one out for tony. 

 
Too much self projection in here.

The man was brilliant. He knew it as well as we did. Everyone else is judging his final days....

Will any of us be proud of our final days?

Walk a mile in those shoes and get back to us.

 
So there is this one. Maybe someone can help me place it. SE Asia. He rolls up in a long boat to a dock and like 30 long boats roll up like taco trucks. All have little grills and #### and start handing out food. 

Spends rest of time ducking in and out of some of the most beautiful places on earth. 

I'll always remember the imagery from that but can't locate it. Maybe someday ill have some experience like that and pour one out for tony. 
I don’t know if he filmed there but that sounds like it could be the Amphawa floating market in Thailand.  There are similar ones scattered in Vietnam, but Amphawa has tons of little seafood grills.

 
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Tony is one of the few people that had traveled more than I have. His perspective, thoughtfulness, and insightful flavor was unique. 

I don’t get all mushy when celebrity types pass on, but in this case I am heartbroken.  :(

We just lost one of the people that really got “it.” 

 
cockroach said:
And then he goes and intentionally drives off a bridge.  Seems kind of thankless.  

His shows are great, but I was always annoyed by him personally.  He thought he was too cool.  Very off-putting. 
Maybe he agreed with you.  :(

 
r/KitchenConfidential is a wreck right now. 

Awesome pic of Bourdain and Obama

Nothing much to add, but like everyone else, I thought he was awesome. His pain and is demons led him to this, but it's also behind what made him so beloved. Very few people will get a chance to lead a life that has such a profound impact on others.

 
Bourdain's AMA from 2016

It's a good read. Though this answer is particularly heartbreaking (about accepting booze from fans in bars):

"When I first went on TV and I started going on book tours I was a guy who would literally drink anything. Fans would come up to me and offer me shots of tequila and I would actually drink them. I am still here and alive today because I don't do that anymore. If I took every offer of a shot or other substance that fans offer to me, I wouldn't have made it to 2008, much less to this year. So chances are, to be perfectly honest, you wouldn't see me at a bar. If you were to offer me a shot, I would probably politely decline. I know people offer those things with the best intentions but I'm a dad now. I'm the 60 year old dad of a 9 year old. I have to at least try to stay live long enough to get to the eye rolling stage of my daughter's life."

 
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Bourdain's AMA from 2016

It's a good read. Though this answer is particularly heartbreaking (about accepting booze from fans in bars):

"When I first went on TV and I started going on book tours I was a guy who would literally drink anything. Fans would come up to me and offer me shots of tequila and I would actually drink them. I am still here and alive today because I don't do that anymore. If I took every offer of a shot or other substance that fans offer to me, I wouldn't have made it to 2008, much less to this year. So chances are, to be perfectly honest, you wouldn't see me at a bar. If you were to offer me a shot, I would probably politely decline. I know people offer those things with the best intentions but I'm a dad now. I'm the 60 year old dad of a 9 year old. I have to at least try to stay live long enough to get to the eye rolling stage of my daughter's life."


Not at all surprised that is the most thorough and honest AMA I’ve ever read. 

 
Bourdain's AMA from 2016

It's a good read. Though this answer is particularly heartbreaking (about accepting booze from fans in bars):

"When I first went on TV and I started going on book tours I was a guy who would literally drink anything. Fans would come up to me and offer me shots of tequila and I would actually drink them. I am still here and alive today because I don't do that anymore. If I took every offer of a shot or other substance that fans offer to me, I wouldn't have made it to 2008, much less to this year. So chances are, to be perfectly honest, you wouldn't see me at a bar. If you were to offer me a shot, I would probably politely decline. I know people offer those things with the best intentions but I'm a dad now. I'm the 60 year old dad of a 9 year old. I have to at least try to stay live long enough to get to the eye rolling stage of my daughter's life."
God. What was he going through when he decided to end it. 

 
Bourdain's AMA from 2016

It's a good read. Though this answer is particularly heartbreaking (about accepting booze from fans in bars):

"When I first went on TV and I started going on book tours I was a guy who would literally drink anything. Fans would come up to me and offer me shots of tequila and I would actually drink them. I am still here and alive today because I don't do that anymore. If I took every offer of a shot or other substance that fans offer to me, I wouldn't have made it to 2008, much less to this year. So chances are, to be perfectly honest, you wouldn't see me at a bar. If you were to offer me a shot, I would probably politely decline. I know people offer those things with the best intentions but I'm a dad now. I'm the 60 year old dad of a 9 year old. I have to at least try to stay live long enough to get to the eye rolling stage of my daughter's life."
Thanks for the link pollard.

I really liked this quote from him in the AMA:

Everything I ever made with my hand, you know it was food, it literally turned to #### within 8 hours. 

 
Not sure selfish is the correct term.  I think "mentally ill" is more fitting.    In his position I am sure AB could have acquired and easily over dosed on his choice of drug be it heroin, sleeping pills or whatever.  Ingest or inject and go to sleep forever.

To hang yourself takes a thought process and planning and would not be a painless death...

 
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