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Antonio Brown (1 Yr Wonder I guess?) (1 Viewer)

jacobo_moses

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I own Antonio Brown in a 32 team Dynasty League. Is it time to jump ship before the ship sinks???? Seems like he was way more effective last year. Now he got paid and teams have game tape on him, so he is doing nada. Anyone else think its time to jump ship?

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I take it you don't play in/never heard of PPR? Or is this just an overreaction thread to one bad game?

If you're referring to the lack of TDs, he's always had trouble finding the end zone. When Big Ben went through his progressions last year, Brown would be behind Wallace, Miller and even Sanders. At least he's on pace to exceed his TD total from last year.

 
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Well my league isn't a PPR and its a return yardage league. But I'm noticing that Brown only returned Punts and not Kickoffs this game. So it hurts his value for me even more if they are phasing him out of returns. :confused:

I'm just asking the Shark Pools opinion if they think that Brown is just going to go downhill from here for value. Or if they are just off to rocky start.

 
He is my WR2 after Demaryius Thomas. I'm just frustrated that Brown is in YR 3, got Paid, in a Todd Hailey offense and isn't doing much this year.

I just need to know from the Shark Pool if its time to get out while he has value or if I'm overreacting and need more patience? I need to learn more patience anyway being that I have 4 daughters. ;)

 
He's not doing that bad, he actually was really consistent before tonight. He won't be a big TD guy ever but he'll bounce back with his yardage. Just about every receiver has a bad game.

 
He is my WR2 after Demaryius Thomas. I'm just frustrated that Brown is in YR 3, got Paid, in a Todd Hailey offense and isn't doing much this year.

I just need to know from the Shark Pool if its time to get out while he has value or if I'm overreacting and need more patience? I need to learn more patience anyway being that I have 4 daughters. ;)
All good, no need to panic. He's on pace to catch 92 balls for 1107 yards. He's just not an end zone target and I'm not sure why some people expected that to change, I preached it all preseason. Lets look at the schedule though..CIN, WAS, NYG, KC, BAL, CLE, BAL, SD, DAL, CIN, CLE

Statistically, that's one hell of a passing schedule. In PPR, I'd be extremely comfortable to have him as my WR2. His ceiling isn't as high as many would hope but he seems to be pretty consistent. Outside of PPR, I would be a bit worried and wouldn't expect more than 8 points on any given night. TDs are fluky, but he just won't see too many RZ looks.

 
Here is the Red Zone Targets though. Looks like Brown has the same has Wallace. Just aren't that many to get. Most of them are to Heath Miller or an RB punches it in.

NAME POS YR TARG REC RECYD YD/REC FD RECTD FANT PT

1 Heath Miller te 2012 9 6 30 5.0000 6 4 27.0000

2 Mike Wallace wr 2012 4 2 17 8.5000 2 1 7.8000

3 Antonio Brown wr 2012 4 2 16 8.0000 2 1 7.6000

4 Jerricho Cotchery wr 2012 2 2 13 6.5000 1 0 1.3000

5 Rashard Mendenhall rb 2012 0 0 0 0 0 7.9000

6 Jonathan Dwyer rb 2012 0 0 0 0 0 3.2000

7 Ben Roethlisberger qb 2012 0 0 0 0 0 27.8000

8 Isaac Redman rb 2012 0 0 0 0 0 6.5000

 
So both Wallace and Brown have 4 Red Zone Targets and 2 Receptions if I'm reading that right. That is all before tonights game though.

 
Neither Brown nor Wallace are that excellent of red zone talents, thus Miller has a bunch of TD's already. I think Browns numbers right now are more just based on the flow of the game/variance than how he is actually playing. Looks like the same dude as last year to me (quick, good hands, great speed), so I don't think this is a situation were he is resting on his $. This was one bad game and besides that he has been pretty damn solid in ppr (and if you aren't in ppr your expectations I don't think should have been that high in the first placed based on his TD numbers last year). In ppr i say keep rolling with him unless you clearly have a better option.

 
Bad game statistically but he was targeted 11 times for an average of 10 times a game thus far. Some lousy playcalling tonight. Ben missed him a couple times and he also drew I believe 3 pass interference calls, 1 in the endzone. Targeted as much as he is the numbers will be there.

 
Like was said above, he's actually on a very good pace with the exception of the TDs. Being a dynasty, I would hold. I think the long-term will balance things out for you.

 
His numbers really aren't THAT bad. As others have said, it's the TD's or lack thereof that are disappointing.

 
And to that point, Brown should have had an easy TD last night but he got completely mauled by Mouton in the end zone for a DPI call. Batch ran it in a couple plays later.

 
Terrible thread seruiously folks.

4/74, 7/79, 7/87/TD, 7/86, last night he had a dud with 4/20.

He was on pace for 100 receptions before last night, probably still on pace for 95. 1200+ yds.

I'll take any receiver that is gonna post 95/1200 and worry about the TDs later.

 
that PI call, a TD would have been nice there, but he was tackled before he could catch it .. oh well..

shoulda drafted wallace instead...

 
Sorry you drafted him as your #1 WR. I'm pretty happy with him as my #3 WR.
He is my wr4 and I'm not happy with him. Dude just disappears in some games. I drafted him think I got a steal BC he is such a huge cog of that offense. Move the chains kind of guy. He is not even that...not on a consistent enough basis unfortunately. Last night was an absolute cake matchup for him and everyone had lofty expectations for him, myself included. Forget Tds, I was thinking 5-8 catches, 100+ yards was a no brainer against the putrid titans defense.
 
Seems like he was way more effective last year.
2011 Stats: 69/1108/2Pace for 2012: 93/1107/3 :confused:
It's the consistency issue. Chris Johnson ran for 1000 yards last year but did most of it in 4 games. If you started him in any of the other games you were fuming. I personally thought, after they prioritized him with a nice contract in the offseason, that they planned to make him a more consistent cog in their offense. The OP is on to something he just didn't state it I the rt way. Brown lacks consistency and predictability that many thought he would have this year. ESP going up against cake matchups.
 
Seems like he was way more effective last year.
2011 Stats: 69/1108/2Pace for 2012: 93/1107/3 :confused:
It's the consistency issue. Chris Johnson ran for 1000 yards last year but did most of it in 4 games. If you started him in any of the other games you were fuming. I personally thought, after they prioritized him with a nice contract in the offseason, that they planned to make him a more consistent cog in their offense. The OP is on to something he just didn't state it I the rt way. Brown lacks consistency and predictability that many thought he would have this year. ESP going up against cake matchups.
Before last night he had double digit points in every game and including last night hes had atleast 4 ctaches in every game. Hes had atleast 9 targets in every game. What kind of consistancy are u looking for.
 
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Don't be the typical fantasy owner that over reacts to a few bad games. There are guys who start the season that over produce and there are guys who start the season under producing--but by the end of the season--they usually end up putting up their solid numbers. It's called either progression or regression to the mean. Look at the number of targets that Brown is getting. He's getting the most targets on one of the strongest passing offenses in the league--this will pay off. Brown is an amazing buy low in my opinion. Wallace is a great WR---but his numbers are a bit scary. Look at his game yesterday---2 receptions--and one of them was a fairly fortunate 82 yard touchdown (it was horrid d). Outside of that catch--wallace had 1 reception for 12 yards the entire rest of the game. Hang with Brown.

 
Seems like he was way more effective last year.
2011 Stats: 69/1108/2Pace for 2012: 93/1107/3 :confused:
It's the consistency issue. Chris Johnson ran for 1000 yards last year but did most of it in 4 games. If you started him in any of the other games you were fuming. I personally thought, after they prioritized him with a nice contract in the offseason, that they planned to make him a more consistent cog in their offense. The OP is on to something he just didn't state it I the rt way. Brown lacks consistency and predictability that many thought he would have this year. ESP going up against cake matchups.
Before last night he had double digit points in every game and including last night hes had atleast 4 ctaches in every game. Hes had atleast 9 targets in every game. What kind of consistancy are u looking for.
What he's really saying seems to be "I consistently want him to score a touchdown or have 100 yards." Which is what everyone wants from every one of their players, but not really a realistic way to approach things.
 
Some good sound advice. Thanks for the tips. Thanks

Don't be the typical fantasy owner that over reacts to a few bad games. There are guys who start the season that over produce and there are guys who start the season under producing--but by the end of the season--they usually end up putting up their solid numbers. It's called either progression or regression to the mean. Look at the number of targets that Brown is getting. He's getting the most targets on one of the strongest passing offenses in the league--this will pay off. Brown is an amazing buy low in my opinion. Wallace is a great WR---but his numbers are a bit scary. Look at his game yesterday---2 receptions--and one of them was a fairly fortunate 82 yard touchdown (it was horrid d). Outside of that catch--wallace had 1 reception for 12 yards the entire rest of the game. Hang with Brown.
 
Seems like he was way more effective last year.
2011 Stats: 69/1108/2Pace for 2012: 93/1107/3 :confused:
It's the consistency issue. Chris Johnson ran for 1000 yards last year but did most of it in 4 games. If you started him in any of the other games you were fuming. I personally thought, after they prioritized him with a nice contract in the offseason, that they planned to make him a more consistent cog in their offense. The OP is on to something he just didn't state it I the rt way. Brown lacks consistency and predictability that many thought he would have this year. ESP going up against cake matchups.
Errr, he is more consistent this year than last.He's on pace to put up almost identical numbers to last year, yet his game high is 87 yards. Last year, he had several bigger games mixed in with some real stinkers (1-16, 2-27, etc).
 
Sanders is bad either. Brown is performing about where I expected. I think the Wallace holdout bumped Brown up higher in the pre-season than was realistic.

 
Seems like he was way more effective last year.
2011 Stats: 69/1108/2Pace for 2012: 93/1107/3 :confused:
It's the consistency issue. Chris Johnson ran for 1000 yards last year but did most of it in 4 games. If you started him in any of the other games you were fuming. I personally thought, after they prioritized him with a nice contract in the offseason, that they planned to make him a more consistent cog in their offense. The OP is on to something he just didn't state it I the rt way. Brown lacks consistency and predictability that many thought he would have this year. ESP going up against cake matchups.
Errr, he is more consistent this year than last.He's on pace to put up almost identical numbers to last year, yet his game high is 87 yards. Last year, he had several bigger games mixed in with some real stinkers (1-16, 2-27, etc).
Yes but my point is that, preseason, when you took everything that was happening into account:1) Wallace holds out2) steelers flip the bird to Wallace. 3) steelers award a nice contract to brown essentially double flipping he bird to Wallace. 4) 3rd year breakout potential from brown. I for one was expecting much more consistency from brown. I was expecting him to be a consistent mce the chains kind of guy. Like a welker, always involved (until this year) with 5-7 Tds. I was expecting more consistency. Elite consistency. At the end of the day am I broken up about it? No. I drafted the guy in like the 7th round I think. He is performing like his draft status. But I drafted him in the 7th rd thinking he would perform like a 3rd rd wr pick. Thankfully, I have several other better and more consistent wrs ahead of him that will securely plant his ### to my bench until he shows me more reliability (ie showing up in cake matchups like last night). There is no need to nitpick my point or the ops point. There are many people that thought that brown would take a HUGE step forward this year. I was one of them. We were wrong thus far. Move along
 
Don't be the typical fantasy owner that over reacts to a few bad games. There are guys who start the season that over produce and there are guys who start the season under producing--but by the end of the season--they usually end up putting up their solid numbers. It's called either progression or regression to the mean. Look at the number of targets that Brown is getting. He's getting the most targets on one of the strongest passing offenses in the league--this will pay off. Brown is an amazing buy low in my opinion. Wallace is a great WR---but his numbers are a bit scary. Look at his game yesterday---2 receptions--and one of them was a fairly fortunate 82 yard touchdown (it was horrid d). Outside of that catch--wallace had 1 reception for 12 yards the entire rest of the game. Hang with Brown.
No matter how you twist it you're reminded that FF is mostly luck. Discount Wallace's "fortunate" 82 yard TD, I'm sure Wallace owners are fine with your criticism. As much importance as you put on Brown's targets, why do you not give Wallace props for his explosiveness? Truth may be that Wallace is a playmaker who doesn't need a lot of targets to make big things happen while Brown is a chains mover who is a really good possession WR.
 
Well, he's on pace for 90 catches and 1,200 yards, but the lack of touchdowns is still pretty disappointing.
Long way to go Ghost.The kid is the real deal a great WR in the league and a solid fantasy option every week as a WR3He was being drafted between WR2 and WR3 and that is where he should be slotted. But he has a high ceiling this year IMO as a high end WR2 and if he explodes with some TD's he can creep into WR1 status.WR's are tough year to year other than some of the usual suspects. TD's are highly cyclical as well. But Brown get's oodles of targets most weeks.
 
Don't be the typical fantasy owner that over reacts to a few bad games. There are guys who start the season that over produce and there are guys who start the season under producing--but by the end of the season--they usually end up putting up their solid numbers. It's called either progression or regression to the mean. Look at the number of targets that Brown is getting. He's getting the most targets on one of the strongest passing offenses in the league--this will pay off. Brown is an amazing buy low in my opinion. Wallace is a great WR---but his numbers are a bit scary. Look at his game yesterday---2 receptions--and one of them was a fairly fortunate 82 yard touchdown (it was horrid d). Outside of that catch--wallace had 1 reception for 12 yards the entire rest of the game. Hang with Brown.
No matter how you twist it you're reminded that FF is mostly luck. Discount Wallace's "fortunate" 82 yard TD, I'm sure Wallace owners are fine with your criticism. As much importance as you put on Brown's targets, why do you not give Wallace props for his explosiveness? Truth may be that Wallace is a playmaker who doesn't need a lot of targets to make big things happen while Brown is a chains mover who is a really good possession WR.
With all due respect....Wallace is a great WR...no question. But Brown also has plenty of speed and wiggle to break big plays. His role may be more of the chain mover....but this kid can get deep as well as turn a WR hitch into an 80 yarder as well.
 
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The problem with Brown is that the Steelers aren't moving the ball right now that well, in part due to the o-line, and Heath Miller is getting a lot of targets on the short-mid routes that Brown excels in. Miller is also the #1 target in the red zone. Brown's upside is capped by these factors.

 
You expect him to put up wes welker type numbers?? That's pretty ridiculous because brown is not that type of receiver as a red zone threat. He's averaging at least 80 yards a game, not bad at all. This season, Brown is consistent as they come. Sure, this game was bad but who doesn't have a bad game now and then.....

 
Don't be the typical fantasy owner that over reacts to a few bad games. There are guys who start the season that over produce and there are guys who start the season under producing--but by the end of the season--they usually end up putting up their solid numbers. It's called either progression or regression to the mean. Look at the number of targets that Brown is getting. He's getting the most targets on one of the strongest passing offenses in the league--this will pay off. Brown is an amazing buy low in my opinion. Wallace is a great WR---but his numbers are a bit scary. Look at his game yesterday---2 receptions--and one of them was a fairly fortunate 82 yard touchdown (it was horrid d). Outside of that catch--wallace had 1 reception for 12 yards the entire rest of the game. Hang with Brown.
No matter how you twist it you're reminded that FF is mostly luck. Discount Wallace's "fortunate" 82 yard TD, I'm sure Wallace owners are fine with your criticism. As much importance as you put on Brown's targets, why do you not give Wallace props for his explosiveness? Truth may be that Wallace is a playmaker who doesn't need a lot of targets to make big things happen while Brown is a chains mover who is a really good possession WR.
With all due respect....Wallace is a great WR...no question. But Brown also has plenty of speed and wiggle to break big plays. His role may be more of the chain mover....but this kid can get deep as well as turn a WR hitch into an 80 yarder as well.
What did I say that was incorrect? He's a very good possession WR. That doesn't mean he can't make things happen.
 
Nothing to worry about. Almost every game I've seen they've targeted him for a touchdown and he's had a good chance at it... and it just barely didn't work out. Last week they bombed it 40 yards to him and he damn near had it... last night they tried to force the ball to him in the endzone again.

TDs are pretty random sometimes.

 
With all due respect....Wallace is a great WR...no question. But Brown also has plenty of speed and wiggle to break big plays. His role may be more of the chain mover....but this kid can get deep as well as turn a WR hitch into an 80 yarder as well.
Having the talent and speed to break big plays and actually doing it are two different things. Wallace scores touchdowns; Brown does not. That much is very clear at this point. Since the start of last year: Wallace: 12 touchdown catches on 93 catchesBrown: 3 touchdown catches on 98 catches
 
So wait...a guy that is on pace for 93 catches and 1,100 yards (on the heels of a bad game no less) is a 1 year wonder?

HUH?

 
I think too many FGB subscribers here are over thinking a post like this. I'm asking for your opinion on whether its time to sell on Antonio Brown as he is the most targetting WR for the Steelers and on the heels of a pretty good year last year? Or in Dynasty be patient and he will still have some WR2 value? If you don't have an opinion on that then DON'T POST ANYTHING HERE. Go elsewhere with your snide and rude comments. They have no place here. Sheesh. :rant:

 
I will admit that my original post. I used a poor choice of words. It should read, Is it time to sell Antonio Brown on his name value, targets, and last yr production or not? So I will admit I messed up with that wording. I apolagize. No reason to rake me over the coals for it.

 
I think too many FGB subscribers here are over thinking a post like this. I'm asking for your opinion on whether its time to sell on Antonio Brown as he is the most targetting WR for the Steelers and on the heels of a pretty good year last year? Or in Dynasty be patient and he will still have some WR2 value? If you don't have an opinion on that then DON'T POST ANYTHING HERE. Go elsewhere with your snide and rude comments. They have no place here. Sheesh. :rant:
Bossy.
 
I think too many FGB subscribers here are over thinking a post like this. I'm asking for your opinion on whether its time to sell on Antonio Brown as he is the most targetting WR for the Steelers and on the heels of a pretty good year last year? Or in Dynasty be patient and he will still have some WR2 value? If you don't have an opinion on that then DON'T POST ANYTHING HERE. Go elsewhere with your snide and rude comments. They have no place here. Sheesh. :rant:
Doesn't change any of the content. If you want to dump a 3rd year guy with a new 5-year contract getting 8-10 targets a week coming off an 1100 yard season after his first sub-74 yard game of the year...you probably shouldn't be in dynasty leagues.
 
I will admit that my original post. I used a poor choice of words. It should read, Is it time to sell Antonio Brown on his name value, targets, and last yr production or not? So I will admit I messed up with that wording. I apolagize. No reason to rake me over the coals for it.
Ok thanks. My belief is No
 
Don't be the typical fantasy owner that over reacts to a few bad games. There are guys who start the season that over produce and there are guys who start the season under producing--but by the end of the season--they usually end up putting up their solid numbers. It's called either progression or regression to the mean. Look at the number of targets that Brown is getting. He's getting the most targets on one of the strongest passing offenses in the league--this will pay off. Brown is an amazing buy low in my opinion. Wallace is a great WR---but his numbers are a bit scary. Look at his game yesterday---2 receptions--and one of them was a fairly fortunate 82 yard touchdown (it was horrid d). Outside of that catch--wallace had 1 reception for 12 yards the entire rest of the game. Hang with Brown.
No matter how you twist it you're reminded that FF is mostly luck. Discount Wallace's "fortunate" 82 yard TD, I'm sure Wallace owners are fine with your criticism. As much importance as you put on Brown's targets, why do you not give Wallace props for his explosiveness? Truth may be that Wallace is a playmaker who doesn't need a lot of targets to make big things happen while Brown is a chains mover who is a really good possession WR.
With all due respect....Wallace is a great WR...no question. But Brown also has plenty of speed and wiggle to break big plays. His role may be more of the chain mover....but this kid can get deep as well as turn a WR hitch into an 80 yarder as well.
What did I say that was incorrect? He's a very good possession WR. That doesn't mean he can't make things happen.
Not saying you said anything wrong per se but Brown can take one target to the house just like Wallace. He has that big play ability as well.
 
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