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Jim Flynn and Scott Reynolds, of PewterReport.com, report the Tampa Bay Buccaneers worked out unrestricted free-agent WR Antonio Bryant (49ers) Wednesday, May 23.

That would be a huge boost for Bryant's value. I can't think of a better situation for him. He'd walk right into the WR2 role and take over for Galloway in a year or so as a WR1. Of course, I'm just an optimistic owner and who knows if they will take a gamble on him, but I did in the 29th round.

 
Its a shame he is such a mental case. I think he could really help a team like Tenn.

Oh well, these guys get what they deserve.

 
Take it with a grain of salt, but people at 1Buc are very high on David Boston again this year. They think he can be the successor to JG. Bryant would make a 3rd speedy WR headed into camp, Joey, Antonio Bryant, and David Boston.

Boston is an enigma to me right now. How could they be so high on a guy, who couldn't even make the team last year? :lmao: My guess is he was on some steroid or something to help him heal, so he wouldn't of passed the drug test anyways. That's just speculation though.

 
UCSBgerry said:
Jim Flynn and Scott Reynolds, of PewterReport.com, report the Tampa Bay Buccaneers worked out unrestricted free-agent WR Antonio Bryant (49ers) Wednesday, May 23. That would be a huge boost for Bryant's value. I can't think of a better situation for him. He'd walk right into the WR2 role and take over for Galloway in a year or so as a WR1. Of course, I'm just an optimistic owner and who knows if they will take a gamble on him, but I did in the 29th round.
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He had a pretty swanky situation in San Fran, and screwed that up too.Waste of talent headcase. Benn the book on him for years, and never proven wrong.
 
I don't think Bryant would automatically be the WR2, I still believe Michael Clayton will make a return this season to something closer to his rookie year.

 
QUEZILLA said:
Take it with a grain of salt, but people at 1Buc are very high on David Boston again this year. They think he can be the successor to JG. Bryant would make a 3rd speedy WR headed into camp, Joey, Antonio Bryant, and David Boston.Boston is an enigma to me right now. How could they be so high on a guy, who couldn't even make the team last year? :bag: My guess is he was on some steroid or something to help him heal, so he wouldn't of passed the drug test anyways. That's just speculation though.
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off-season hype. boston won't make the team.
 
QUEZILLA said:
Take it with a grain of salt, but people at 1Buc are very high on David Boston again this year. They think he can be the successor to JG. Bryant would make a 3rd speedy WR headed into camp, Joey, Antonio Bryant, and David Boston.Boston is an enigma to me right now. How could they be so high on a guy, who couldn't even make the team last year? :hot: My guess is he was on some steroid or something to help him heal, so he wouldn't of passed the drug test anyways. That's just speculation though.
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I emailed with Jim Flynn of the Pewter Report shortly after Boston's signing, and he had this to say:
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I think Boston will get a chance to show he's recovered from the knee injury that's slowed him down over the last few years in training camp and preseason. If he can get separation from defenders and keep his head on straight, the Bucs feel Boston can be a solid No. 3 receiver. I'd have to see Boston play before I could tell you where he is talent wise right now.Thanks.JF
 
You have to think Bryant will sign with someone sooner or later. For all his problems, he's not known as a slacker (he's not Charles Rogers). Let's hope he's finally learned to control his behavior.

 
EBF said:
You have to think Bryant will sign with someone sooner or later. For all his problems, he's not known as a slacker (he's not Charles Rogers). Let's hope he's finally learned to control his behavior.
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I have developed a pretty firm belief about that. I've been burned by Ricky, KRob, Bryant, Chris Henry and others after believing they'd wised up. As normal thinking beings, we just can't understand how these guys can throw away all the riches because of behavior lapses. The thing is, though, that they may have good intentions but will almost always revert back to form. Whatever character issues they have coming into the league they continue to have. Some precious few overcome, but for most, more than one mistake IMO sets a pattern to be avoided as a fantasy owner.After last year I made the determination I wasn't going to acquire any more character-challenged players. I still have Bryant from the past in some leagues, and Ricky in one league (was hoping he'd have some value this year so I could deal him), and Vick in one (he was on the team when I took it over). Hopefully I can move these guys. But I'm just through picking up these head cases any longer, seeing them as 'undervalued,' when they really are just ticking time bombs, ready to implode into zero worth at any minute.For me, from this offseason forward, two strikes and you're out, not going to be added to my roster. I'm just tired of these guys.
 
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Couch Potato said:
EBF said:
You have to think Bryant will sign with someone sooner or later. For all his problems, he's not known as a slacker (he's not Charles Rogers). Let's hope he's finally learned to control his behavior.
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I have developed a pretty firm belief about that. I've been burned by Ricky, KRob, Bryant, Chris Henry and others after believing they'd wised up. As normal thinking beings, we just can't understand how these guys can throw away all the riches because of behavior lapses. The thing is, though, that they may have good intentions but will almost always revert back to form. Whatever character issues they have coming into the league they continue to have. Some precious few overcome, but for most, more than one mistake IMO sets a pattern to be avoided as a fantasy owner.After last year I made the determination I wasn't going to acquire any more character-challenged players. I still have Bryant from the past in some leagues, and Ricky in one league (was hoping he'd have some value this year so I could deal him), and Vick in one. Hopefully I can move these guys. But I'm just through picking up these head cases any longer, seeing them as 'undervalued,' when what they really are is ticking time bombs, ready to implode into zero worth at any minute.For me, from this offseason forward, two strikes and you're out, not going to be added to my roster. I'm just tired of these guys.
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There's certainly some sense in that. Based on what I've seen in life, people rarely change. What you get is what you're gonna get.But there are always exceptions.
 
EBF said:
Couch Potato said:
EBF said:
You have to think Bryant will sign with someone sooner or later. For all his problems, he's not known as a slacker (he's not Charles Rogers). Let's hope he's finally learned to control his behavior.
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I have developed a pretty firm belief about that. I've been burned by Ricky, KRob, Bryant, Chris Henry and others after believing they'd wised up. As normal thinking beings, we just can't understand how these guys can throw away all the riches because of behavior lapses. The thing is, though, that they may have good intentions but will almost always revert back to form. Whatever character issues they have coming into the league they continue to have. Some precious few overcome, but for most, more than one mistake IMO sets a pattern to be avoided as a fantasy owner.After last year I made the determination I wasn't going to acquire any more character-challenged players. I still have Bryant from the past in some leagues, and Ricky in one league (was hoping he'd have some value this year so I could deal him), and Vick in one. Hopefully I can move these guys. But I'm just through picking up these head cases any longer, seeing them as 'undervalued,' when what they really are is ticking time bombs, ready to implode into zero worth at any minute.For me, from this offseason forward, two strikes and you're out, not going to be added to my roster. I'm just tired of these guys.
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There's certainly some sense in that. Based on what I've seen in life, people rarely change. What you get is what you're gonna get.But there are always exceptions.
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Yes, there are. Chris Carter was one. Corey Dillon was another. But I'll let someone else roll the dice. The marginal advantage you get acquiring one of these guys compared to someone else you could acquire at the same cost isn't worth the zero-value risk to me anymore.If Bryant signs in TB, you can be sure I'm looking to deal him if the general perception of his value is above WW value.
 
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EBF said:
Couch Potato said:
EBF said:
You have to think Bryant will sign with someone sooner or later. For all his problems, he's not known as a slacker (he's not Charles Rogers). Let's hope he's finally learned to control his behavior.
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I have developed a pretty firm belief about that. I've been burned by Ricky, KRob, Bryant, Chris Henry and others after believing they'd wised up. As normal thinking beings, we just can't understand how these guys can throw away all the riches because of behavior lapses. The thing is, though, that they may have good intentions but will almost always revert back to form. Whatever character issues they have coming into the league they continue to have. Some precious few overcome, but for most, more than one mistake IMO sets a pattern to be avoided as a fantasy owner.After last year I made the determination I wasn't going to acquire any more character-challenged players. I still have Bryant from the past in some leagues, and Ricky in one league (was hoping he'd have some value this year so I could deal him), and Vick in one. Hopefully I can move these guys. But I'm just through picking up these head cases any longer, seeing them as 'undervalued,' when what they really are is ticking time bombs, ready to implode into zero worth at any minute.For me, from this offseason forward, two strikes and you're out, not going to be added to my roster. I'm just tired of these guys.
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There's certainly some sense in that. Based on what I've seen in life, people rarely change. What you get is what you're gonna get.But there are always exceptions.
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I think as long as you realize these guys are fliers no different than a 3rd round FF rookie pick, you take the chance that you have found the exception. Bryant and Henry are the scarier ones because they shown shown both tendancies towards being headcases and having drug issues. For their demons, Ricky williams and K. Rob are largely considered good people with addiction issues well beyond what most of us can understand.
 
Just to add to my thought above, I'll add work ethic issues to drug/alcohol/legal issues. I think LenDale White will bust for this reason. I think Mike Williams never amounts to anything either (BTW, a Rotoworld blurb today says "Asked if the signing of Travis Taylor sent a message to Mike Williams, Raiders coach Lane Kiffin said, "You'd have to ask Mike. I would think so." "). Making it in college and making it in the NFL are vastly different if the player is not committed, and I want nothing to do with these types. Give me Tennessee's Chris Henry over LenDale every time.

 
EBF said:
Couch Potato said:
EBF said:
You have to think Bryant will sign with someone sooner or later. For all his problems, he's not known as a slacker (he's not Charles Rogers). Let's hope he's finally learned to control his behavior.
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I have developed a pretty firm belief about that. I've been burned by Ricky, KRob, Bryant, Chris Henry and others after believing they'd wised up. As normal thinking beings, we just can't understand how these guys can throw away all the riches because of behavior lapses. The thing is, though, that they may have good intentions but will almost always revert back to form. Whatever character issues they have coming into the league they continue to have. Some precious few overcome, but for most, more than one mistake IMO sets a pattern to be avoided as a fantasy owner.After last year I made the determination I wasn't going to acquire any more character-challenged players. I still have Bryant from the past in some leagues, and Ricky in one league (was hoping he'd have some value this year so I could deal him), and Vick in one. Hopefully I can move these guys. But I'm just through picking up these head cases any longer, seeing them as 'undervalued,' when what they really are is ticking time bombs, ready to implode into zero worth at any minute.For me, from this offseason forward, two strikes and you're out, not going to be added to my roster. I'm just tired of these guys.
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There's certainly some sense in that. Based on what I've seen in life, people rarely change. What you get is what you're gonna get.But there are always exceptions.
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Some people can change their stripes, Dillon mentioned above was a big one and before him Watters who had zero negative press while in Seattle. Both those guys had strong coaches and systems to keep them in line and is one of the reasons I would consider Moss this season. I stuck with Koro and Stevens for years, homerism played a part but I really believed they would overcome. Bryant is a little down the depth chart for me to really consider, plus the suspension but he'll stay on my WW radar, though I don't think Gruden is in the same league of player's coach that Holmgren and Hoodie are.
 
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Just to add to my thought above, I'll add work ethic issues to drug/alcohol/legal issues. I think LenDale White will bust for this reason. I think Mike Williams never amounts to anything either (BTW, a Rotoworld blurb today says "Asked if the signing of Travis Taylor sent a message to Mike Williams, Raiders coach Lane Kiffin said, "You'd have to ask Mike. I would think so." "). Making it in college and making it in the NFL are vastly different if the player is not committed, and I want nothing to do with these types. Give me Tennessee's Chris Henry over LenDale every time.
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I think the lazy is hardest for us to detect. Not evey lazy palyer gets heavy like White or BMW. Also there is the relative lazy. Plenty of guys who never live up to talent because they have a 9 to 5 attitude. They will work hard at practice and when assigned to do stuff, but won't do the extra stuff that may be required for excellence.
 
Back to Antonio Bryant since I sorta hijacked the thread away from him onto related subjects. I don't think he'll ever really have another shot at being a #1 or even #2 because of the unreliability factor.

The risk of signing guys with a past like his is that on any given night, or at any given practice, something could happen that effectively ends his usefulness just as a season-ending injury would. Only uber-talented guys like Owens or (maybe) Moss are worth the risk of making such a player a focal point of their offense, and I just can't see any smart team investing a starting role in a player like Bryant that can't be relied on. For the rest of his career I see him as no better than a #3 on his team even if he may be more talented that a guy ahead of him.

And remember, it's not just being arrested for drunk driving last fall. It was the insubordination incident with Parcells, the release by the Browns after a 1,000 yard season (issues weren't specified, but lots of speculation), and the release by the 49ers after year one of a four year contract. Had it just been the drunk driving arrest, they would have kept him. I think there's more going on with this guy than we all are aware of.

 
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I'm with the Ministry of Pain on this one.

Bryant will be lucky to be WR4 on the Buccaneers.

WR1 - J. Galloway

WR2 - M. Clayton

WR3 - D. Boston

WR4 - A. Bryant

Bryant has shown very little since coming into the NFL ...

 
Dancing Bear said:
I'm with the Ministry of Pain on this one.Bryant will be lucky to be WR4 on the Buccaneers.WR1 - J. GallowayWR2 - M. ClaytonWR3 - D. BostonWR4 - A. BryantBryant has shown very little since coming into the NFL ...
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You are crazy. I think Bryant could easily be the #2 this year and probably the #1 for the future. He is a very talented WR, and if he could ever keep his head on straight has the tools to be a #1.
 
The guy has had several chances but does not seem to have the intelligence to match his physical abilities. I am advising all of my clients to steer clear. :wall:

 
What makes anyone think he will mesh with Gruden? Bryant routinely gives less than 100% on the field, and that ultimately will spell his demise with the team- even if he catches on through TC.

 
Domination said:
Dancing Bear said:
I'm with the Ministry of Pain on this one.

Bryant will be lucky to be WR4 on the Buccaneers.

WR1 - J. Galloway

WR2 - M. Clayton

WR3 - D. Boston

WR4 - A. Bryant

Bryant has shown very little since coming into the NFL ...
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You are crazy. I think Bryant could easily be the #2 this year and probably the #1 for the future. He is a very talented WR, and if he could ever keep his head on straight has the tools to be a #1.
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No, he's not crazy. I do think Stovall ought to be in the mix somewhere though, and Ike Hilliard always seems to hang onto the #3. But saying 'I disagree' instead of 'you are crazy' would seem more appropriate. The bolded part really is more important than Bryant's talent at this point, and he's failed in 3 spots so far in that regard.
 
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I don't see Bryant AND Boston making that team.

The Boston stuff is as if he finally got it together. I believe it as much as you do, I'm just saying that's what the "hub bub" seems to be

 
Bri said:
I don't see Bryant AND Boston making that team.The Boston stuff is as if he finally got it together. I believe it as much as you do, I'm just saying that's what the "hub bub" seems to be
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Didn't Tampa sign Boston last year in the offseason, saying he'd gotten it together?
 
Bri said:
gman8343 said:
Bri said:
I don't see Bryant AND Boston making that team.The Boston stuff is as if he finally got it together. I believe it as much as you do, I'm just saying that's what the "hub bub" seems to be
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Didn't Tampa sign Boston last year in the offseason, saying he'd gotten it together?
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it does very much sound like a repeat
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Is anyone else amazed that NFL people are still fooling themselves with this David Boston thing?
 
Took about 3 games for Bryant to show his true colors with the Niner's last season.

It was on a 3rd and long play and Alex Smith was under heavy pressure and on the run. When Smith tried to make a 20 yard throw to Bryant down the field, he threw about 5 yards too long. Bryant was pretty well covered, but obviously felt that he would have made the catch if it had been a better throw.

The guy the proceeds to stroll to the sideline, throws both of his hands over his head like it's the end of the world, and then yells at the coaches on the sideline and just goes off in general. That's when I realized what a punk Antonio truly is. In his ego-infalted mind, Alex Smith was the sole reason why he wasn't going to make the ALL-PRO squad that season and he showed his displeasure every single chance he got from that point forward.

 
I'm sure this story has been told a million times, but could someone please explain to me what has happened to Michael Clayton? I haven't really followed his rise and fall too closely and am just curious to know all of the various factors involved.

 
TheBradyBunch said:
I'm sure this story has been told a million times, but could someone please explain to me what has happened to Michael Clayton? I haven't really followed his rise and fall too closely and am just curious to know all of the various factors involved.
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Check out our interview with Jim Flynn from the Pewter Report for your answer: link
 
Sigmund Bloom said:
TheBradyBunch said:
I'm sure this story has been told a million times, but could someone please explain to me what has happened to Michael Clayton? I haven't really followed his rise and fall too closely and am just curious to know all of the various factors involved.
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Check out our interview with Jim Flynn from the Pewter Report for your answer: link
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Hey Cecil - Are these interviews only available via podcast, or will we have a written version?
 
gump said:
Sigmund Bloom said:
TheBradyBunch said:
I'm sure this story has been told a million times, but could someone please explain to me what has happened to Michael Clayton? I haven't really followed his rise and fall too closely and am just curious to know all of the various factors involved.
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Check out our interview with Jim Flynn from the Pewter Report for your answer: link
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Hey Cecil - Are these interviews only available via podcast, or will we have a written version?
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Gump,We're working on getting our interviews transcribed. Thanks for the interest!

 
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