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Antonio Callaway - WR Dolphins now (1 Viewer)
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only thing that compares those two is the school. The school is the same, thus the conference would be the same. Thus the bad defenses would be the same.
The “defenses in such and such’s conference suck” argument is pretty useless IMO. Mahomes played in the same conference. People say the same about the PAC-10 defenses. Rodgers has done ok. How were the defenses Wentz faced at ND State? Or Big Ben at Miami (OH)? You can get some context from the defenses a player faced but using that and ignoring the player is senseless. And in this case Baker is nothing like Bradford.
Stuart Ullman
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This is the guy you want. If you wait until next week, it will be too late.
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
His FBG projections are awfully low this week, basically 3-40. Debating starting him.
rockaction
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I actually dumped Lindsay for him in my main league for him after watching highlights of them both. Lindsay might break in two in Wk 4.
Here's to hope, springing eternal.
eta* Not Lindsay breaking, but Callaway tearing it up.
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Todem
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I will respectively disagree. And your Florida Gators glasses are definitely blurring your vision. He had a lot of issues and they already started in training camp with police smelling and finding weed (a joint) in his car. His maturity level is no where close to where it needs to be IMO. But hey....maybe he will turn it around. I am taking a guess. I and everyone else who plays FF can only go on what we see. After watching him on Hard Knocks......man he is the next one I feel will screw up and the NFL will move on. Sometimes these kids get it. Sometimes they don’t. I don’t think Callaway will get it in time.
There have been 100’s of first round talent guys who slipped in the draft, who simply could not stay out of trouble. Obviously it remains to be seen with Antonio. My guess is he will not make it long term. Could be wrong though. Hope he can turn it around and not piss away his talent.
And Mayfield? I really like the kid’s moxie. He is a leader. He has winning in his DNA. I see good things from him as a pro. Really good things.
Todem
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HUGE MISTAKE. You did not have another player you could have dumped for Callaway? Wow.
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Buck Bradcanon
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I'm in. 
If he screws up DURING the season, but still keeps his job, forget it, he's done because there's no way he can go 6 months unmonitored in the offseason.
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Godsbrother
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I have
I have Landry but am concerned to start him on a short week with a bum knee. So it is up to Callaway or Sterling... currently I have Sterling in but am wavering...
Buck Bradcanon
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Godsbrother
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You know after thinking about his impassioned speech on Hard Knocks I may put Landry in... I'll see what they are saying during tonight's pregame.
Buck Bradcanon
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shadyridr
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shadyridr
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Bracie Smathers
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Thursday Night game but Landry has been hindered by injury.
How much do you trust TT against the Jet defense?
I'd sit him for 'precautionary' reasons this week but for dynasty he's a solid add.
How much do you trust TT against the Jet defense?
I'd sit him for 'precautionary' reasons this week but for dynasty he's a solid add.
zamboni
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His issues have been more on the field, but also a checkered past off. From last year: https://www.sbnation.com/2017/8/7/16106840/jarvis-landry-dolphins-police-investigation-battery
shadyridr
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IdiotSavant
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I wanna go pick him up but would have to drop Brandon Marshall or Ted Ginn. Hmmmmmm.
zamboni
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shadyridr
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MAC_32
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They already were strong up front, Darron Lee has appeared to have taken a major step up, and I think Trumaine Johnson's caused a (positive) domino effect in the secondary. Pass rush is still kind of weak, but there sure don't appear to be (m)any other holes.
MAC_32
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Two games
Whats so good about the Jets defense?
- Ranked fifth in defense in the entire league
- Giving up less than 300 yards per game
- Four sacks
- Four interceptions
- Three fumble recoveries
They have a formidable front and the Browns offensive line is starting an undrafted FA LT and his biggest weakness is going up against big bull-rush type DEs and their RT has struggled as well. The type of DL they have struggled with are the type the Jets have ( Mo Wilkerson and Lenny Williams).
TT has a tendacy to hesitate and not pull the trigger, he's had one of the worst (longest) times before throwing in the NFL over the past couple of years over 3 seconds per pass attempt.
So I think its fair to ask how much you trust Tyrod Taylor going up against the Jets on a Thursday Night game which tend to be lower scoring all around especially throwing to a rookie WR.
oddsbodkins
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I'm on board. Dumped Crowder for him.
strong
Footballguy
he's talented but like most rookies, there's going to be a lot of inconsistency, especially since jarvis landry isn't going anywhere.
i'd tell people to hold off on acquiring him just yet. there will be plenty of times this season to get callaway at a cheaper, less hyped point.
Bracie Smathers
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I don't think so.
Josh Gordon is gone. The Browns don't have any other 'legit' deep threat. Kid is going to get every opportunity and those who grab him anticipate bumps.
His value is much more likely to go up over time than down IMHO.
Time to get is now even if he's the hot WW pickup of the week because JG isn't coming back and Higgins isn't beating him out.
strong
Footballguy
I don't think so.
Josh Gordon is gone. The Browns don't have any other 'legit' deep threat. Kid is going to get every opportunity and those who grab him anticipate bumps.
His value is much more likely to go up over time than down IMHO.
Time to get is now even if he's the hot WW pickup of the week because JG isn't coming back and Higgins isn't beating him out.
maybe. i think odds are pretty good with jarvis around that there will be at least one opportunity to go get callaway following two straight 2 for 21 type games.
haven't seen many rookies come in with a clear cut WR1 and post nothing but good to great games the entire year...
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
One bomb before he has two games would make him an NRA (get him when you can pry them from cold dead hand) type of hold.
His cost is more likely go up IMHO.
oddsbodkins
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He's free in most leagues I would assume (33% owned in yahoo). So really, the cost is who you drop to get him and if it's a WR5 or WR6 that's riding pine anyway, this is a low-cost/high-risk move to make.
strong
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that's pretty bullish and puts callaway in pretty rare class of receiver. can't think of many rookie WRs i've ever felt like you about and the only guy who ever made me regret this philosophy is odell.
he's the only one i can think of (off hand) whose price basically went up from the moment he hit the field... who knows how it'll play out but there's a lot to suggest that callaway doesn't have quite the trifecta of talent/polish/opportunity that OBJ had.
Bracie Smathers
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You said that you expect to pick him up CHEAPER LATER.
Nothing about Odell Beckum which, I dunno where that came from but I don't think he is going to become cheaper if you wait but YMMV.
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strong
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i think odds are good that he'll have moments where his price is cheaper. i think the smart play is to hold off on purchasing callaway right now and wait for one of those windows this season. (seems likely with jarvis in the picture...)
you think odds are good that his price will go up and up and up. that's rare and very few guys ever do that. it takes a lot of faith and probably turning a blind eye to WR history to have the view you have about callaway, but good luck!!
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MAC_32
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The bolded is correct - but I'm not dropping an Enunwa or John Brown to find out. There's an objective argument for Callaway vs. Godwin, but I'm riding the wave with a 2nd year player without the baggage.
Bracie Smathers
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How many rookies have come in and flashed in the preseason, had the team cut/trade their #1 WR and promoted the rookie and had the rookie flash in crunch time in the first game he started where the HC said:
Browns relying on rookie Antonio Callaway to step up after trading Josh Gordon: ‘It’s time,’ coach Hue Jackson says
Hue says he's got to step-up but he doesn't want to force feed him but he played over 80% of the snaps and has been promoted to starting-X.
He is a perfect fit for the X and for some 'unknown' reason Landry had been running fly (deep/go or X WR) patterns and Tyrod wasn't letting it fly, he was under throwing deep balls and TT came in with a strong deep-ball rep. JG was a mess running routes and he wasn't on the same page as TT Cleveland Browns: Tyrod Taylor, Josh Gordon not on the same page
Defenses were stacking the box and daring the Browns to beat them with the deep ball because it wasn't there before Callaway opened up another gear and showed ball-tracking skills. Ball tracking is one thing but combining that sort of ball tracking with speed that only Tyreek Hill can beat and the fact that they are 'leaning' on him and expecting him to make plays means he's going to opportunities a few times a game to make plays that few rookie WRs get because few have ever had a team cut their X and given a rookie with those skills an opportunity like this on a silver platter.
Browns relying on rookie Antonio Callaway to step up after trading Josh Gordon: ‘It’s time,’ coach Hue Jackson says
Their are quite a few things here to unpack.
Hue says he's got to step-up but he doesn't want to force feed him but he played over 80% of the snaps and has been promoted to starting-X.
He is a perfect fit for the X and for some 'unknown' reason Landry had been running fly (deep/go or X WR) patterns and Tyrod wasn't letting it fly, he was under throwing deep balls and TT came in with a strong deep-ball rep. JG was a mess running routes and he wasn't on the same page as TT Cleveland Browns: Tyrod Taylor, Josh Gordon not on the same page
Defenses were stacking the box and daring the Browns to beat them with the deep ball because it wasn't there before Callaway opened up another gear and showed ball-tracking skills. Ball tracking is one thing but combining that sort of ball tracking with speed that only Tyreek Hill can beat and the fact that they are 'leaning' on him and expecting him to make plays means he's going to opportunities a few times a game to make plays that few rookie WRs get because few have ever had a team cut their X and given a rookie with those skills an opportunity like this on a silver platter.
oddsbodkins
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^ Anquan Boldin
strong
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ah thanks
diggs had a great rookie year but did have a long stretch where he posted 31 or fewer yards in 5 of 6 games. without looking it up, i'd imagine his trade value at that point was lower than it was after his first or second game of the season.
allen though is definitely someone who had very few down games to start his career and his value has probably never dipped below where it started that season.
so i stand corrected: OBJ and keenan are two receivers whose value never dipped after they put themselves on the map. it's possible this is the lowest callaways' value will be all year. still seems unlikely to me, especially with the presence of jarvis.
Look at a similar situation: Golladay in Detroit. His value has steadily risen since he was drafted, originally based on a couple of flashes here and there his rookie season, and then positive reports through the offseason, training camp, and finally some real production in the first couple of weeks this season.
Callaway's value will never be lower unless/until he gets suspended or injured. He can suck pretty much the rest of this season and he's still going to be considered their #1 deep option going into 2019. Add in the (unwarranted?) hype of Baker Mayfield, and it just solidifies his value for the next 6-9 months.
He's absolutely at his floor, but that floor is rising rapidly.
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